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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 10, 2011 16:48:11 GMT -4
Aw I'm too late. (the power was out and couldn't get online earlier). Note: I did come to the conclusion that Rebel was not a scum, before reading what just happen. like I said a Scum would be way more defensive than the defense Rebel was putting up. glad I did not vote for him or anyone else. However now Blade you have some serious explaining to do, however I don't think you are scum. I've got two other people on mind after really thinking of how this entire conversation has went from day one. I'm not sure if it's legal to still vote. If not please tell me so.
Vote: President Jeff
One moment he thinks Rebel is not the scum, even after a number of people said they believe so. And suddenly he votes for Rebel because Rebel fail to defend himself to his liking. Something is wrong there people. I could be wrong, but look Rebel is dead, I don't think Blade would put himself on the chopping block if he was scum and damn well knew Rebel wasn't. Rebel did made a very good point before he was lynched.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 10, 2011 16:48:45 GMT -4
Vote: President Jeff
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 10, 2011 16:51:23 GMT -4
Guess I can't vote yet. But I know who I'll be voting for.
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Post by Level-Two on Jul 10, 2011 17:04:42 GMT -4
That is correct. You can't vote during night. You can however talk about the game.
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Hopper Rose™
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It's 4:20, Somebody's Gettin' Smoked!
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Post by Hopper Rose™ on Jul 10, 2011 17:11:43 GMT -4
I knew all along that Rebel was for the Town! goddamn!
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Post by President Jeff on Jul 10, 2011 19:18:21 GMT -4
Ugh Blade!
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 10, 2011 23:56:34 GMT -4
I think Blade is scum. The watcher claim was dumb. What'd he think we were going to do when Rebel came up town?
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Post by T-Marv on Jul 11, 2011 8:51:43 GMT -4
That's why I DONT think he is scum. He's probably either insane or was given false results. THere is an outside chance that Epitome is a Lyncher in which case BRAVO to you.
During the next day phase, cause I certainly won't be alive if Jeff has his way, go after El. Presedente!!
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Post by Level-Two on Jul 11, 2011 16:34:13 GMT -4
 After hearing about the kidnapping and imprisonment of his father, Rand Paul went into hiding. He packed up all his belongings said good bye to his neighbours, friends and family fleeing to the boarder, evading the tyranny quickly approaching. The next day, Dick Cheney sat down with George W. Bush with a television newscast playing the background. George W. Bush: Dick, you've done a great job this election cycle, I think you deserve a vacation. How about we go golf, cook a few steaks out back drink some beer, all that presidential stuff? Dick Cheney groaned. Dick Cheney: We still have several potential presidents we need to eliminate from this race. Suspicion is growing. We can't take a vacation now, we have work to do. George W. Bush: Dick, there's only two things I hate in this world more then Osama and work is all three of them. George W. Bush stops, scratches his head and begins to count his fingers in confusion before turning to the television screen's news broadcast. Reporter: Today, we have just got a report that presidential candidate Rand Paul was on board a plan, which crashed earlier today... we believe he is... George W. Bush turned to Dick Cheney who smiled. Dick Cheney: I did that. Dead day 2 (night): Rand Paul- T-Marv- The friendly neighbourALSO Nova will be switched out with Sally Talfourd due to inactivity. Mod note: This might not be the ''official'' thing to do but I think this move was in the best interest for the entire game. The reason why Sally is returning and not anyone else who has died is simply because she died first. Sally, has been given no advantages—she is merely filling Nova's position in this game.With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.Deadline for day three will be 5:00 PM EST Thursday |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 11, 2011 18:37:39 GMT -4
Welcome back, Sally.
Vote: Blade
You all know why.
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Post by Blade on Jul 11, 2011 18:43:07 GMT -4
Welcome back, Sally. Vote: BladeYou all know why. Why is that. On a side note, I am just waiting for L-1 to get back to me because the result i got last night is not clear, and i still want an explanation as to why my intel on Rebel was so wrong. My thoughts are heavily leading towards a mafia framer |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 11, 2011 18:52:08 GMT -4
You really don't know why? I believe you LIED about Rebel, scum.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 12, 2011 3:21:02 GMT -4
And I believe the scum is smarter than that. It's hard for me to believe if Blade was scum, he would risk everything on getting others to vote for Rebel. Meanwhile Jeff, have sent up a red light over his head. if people can't see that then, I don't know what else needs to happen. t-marv was on the right track and whoop, he's gone. once again Blade is not scum. Jeff however is a different story.
Vote: President Jeff
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 12, 2011 3:22:50 GMT -4
I also would like to note there is another person in mind for the second scum. I just think we should focus on Jeff first and then, the other. The signs are there.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 12, 2011 4:27:31 GMT -4
I'm sure I'm only going to be in this game for a very short time (seeings how Mr. Mafia(s) thought it good and proper to get rid of me quickly to begin with) so I'd better make it count! Rest assured, I've been following the game even after I go hit, mainly because I wanted to see who it was that killed me! But that's beside the point. From the outset, I'd have probably voted for Rebel as well. No one gave any convincing argument as to why we shouldn't believe him. The being said, Blade also gave pretty compelling reason as to why - he alluded to a role that he has, believed that that role allowed him to turn up some concrete evidence, and relayed it with as much certainty as he could. On the basis of that, I'd have probably been a late vote, similar to TMarv and his vote. I would have allowed Rebel to make his case (man, how unlucky are you Rebel!), weighed things up for as long as I could, and then dropped a vote on him towards the end of the day. Now I know that someone would be happy to point out that this could all be a plan of Blade's - that he alluded to a role that he didn't have, he made up evidence, and pushed hard - all the while, he's scum. That's one of the options we have before us. I won't discount it completely but ... ... I do not think Blade is scum. I think it's too big of a gamble for the scum to make, that. And here's how I came to the conclusion. The first risk was alluding to a role that someone else might have. Blade runs the risk of saying he has information and then someone else coming up and saying 'Well, actually, I have information and it's this ... how did you get yours so different?' I know there are assumptions in there (that's there's only one of each role, that someone else would have done similar or the same night action, that someone got evidence that proves him wrong), but I think that these assumptions in and of themselves are reasonable when weighed against the risk that Blade would, firstly, have to take. The second risk was that Rebel could turn up Town. Now, hear me out here. Now if Blade was scum, he'd know that Rebel would turn up Town. And, in doing so, he would need to leave himself enough breathing room to say "Hey, look, bad information. Don't lynch me, let's lynch the last vote/the first person to accuse Rebel/etc ...' But he hasn't left himself any room to move. What I saw was Blade acting on what he truly believed to be truthful information and expecting the result to be a scum lynch. Blade went so hard at Rebel that it shows he was expecting to come out the way he expected because he's given himself no room to get out and he's boxed himself in. So this risk (the biggest, in my opinion) isn't one a scum would be making so blatantly. Now the third risk that he took was that by alluding to a role, he knew that in the next round of play (and subsequent rounds), he'd have to continue to be able to provide legitimate information that actually was truth. Ok, when it's still crowded and there aren't much actions to measure by, someone could get away with throwing complete lies and expect to get away with it ... but not by saying that you got the 'evidence' (the lies) through a role. Now that the third round has come, Blade has to provide more evidence (as a result of his role) and will have to continue to provide evidence. As the players drop off and there's more of a yardstick to measure with, his evidence will be able to be measured for truthiness. That's a big risk as well - because he might throw some stuff out there that is a complete lie and can get picked up on it obviously. This was a long term risk that I can't see a player like Blade getting into when he could have allowed 'natural momentum' to develop and then jump on to that. If it was later in the game, and no one had alluded to any roles up to that point, then I would be more suspicious. But as it's so early in the game, I don't think that's a beneficial risk. Just as an aside: If he is insane or has a various role that precludes him from actually getting truthful evidence, then, thus, Town. Oh, another aside: Anyone who retorts "Well why is Blade still alive? He has a role and he pretty much admitted it, why didn't the scum kill him in the night action?" should be examined for being scum. The reason Blade is still alive is because the scum want us to now go after Blade, giving them an easy Lynch. The person who is most keen to go after Blade needs the most scrutiny (which is Branden ... which is about to happen, btw). The scum knew that he had bad intel, and figured he'd have more bad intel to confuse us this round, plus would have to answer for the previous round's accusations which is more than enough for two scum to hide behind. So, in terms of risk analysis and weaighing up the pro's/con's of the respective risks, I am going to say that Blade is not a scum. I would also say that anyone who rushes to accuse Blade of being a scum because of his actions in the last round is either trigger-happy (Branden) or scum swooping in to quickly start a bandwagon (Branden). There are some things I would like Blade to answer for, just purely to squash my last, niggling questions. These were the things I couldn't figure out on my own: 1) Why were you so quick to accuse Rebel when the second day started? I have it on good authority that Rebel targeted Sally last night. There is nothing anyone can say that will sway me, he targeted Sally and he was the only one. Vote RebelIf you are town, then you need to trust this info. No time for page rebuttles, but we need to save our asses There was all of 4 minutes between Lester posting the night action's results and you saying that Rebel was scum. Whether he typed or sent those before or after the results went up, it leaves you a window of 2-3 minutes to conisder, reflect, and evaluate your evidence. Do you think it would have been better to throw up your evidence and see what other people might have to say/contribute by way of evidence? It was obvious that other people were going to ask you 'why' (Jeff, Hopper, Branden were the first three) and Rebel was going to defend himself (which he was quick to do) so why not start a discussion (and use the available time) rather than a full-blown bandwagon? 2) What evidence do you have to contribute to this round? 3) Why did you watch me in the first night when I was killed? Answer me them, and I'll probably defend you to the end of the day - bandwagon for you or not. Now because I'm trying to make the most of my vote/reentrance into the game, I'm trying to eliminate as many people as I can. Blade is off my list. I'll take myself off the list as well: I think we have to trust the fact that a former Town (as we all now know I was) wouldn't be put back in as a scum. Not because it's a contradiction between roles, but because the game would have been rather topsy-turvy from the outset and it wouldn't have gone down as well. So assume (I know that's asking a lot) that I'm town as well. So on my list, that narrows it down to five. Here's my generaly thoughts and observations on the two I suspect the most. I think it's worth putting out as much discussion (not just about these two, but everyone) as we can to try and smoke out this scum. I'm much of the same vein as JC here: Conversation is usually the best way to weed out scum They will eventually say something, mess up, go too far with their plans at some point. If we all start talking more, there's more to work with. But before I start doing that, I want to see the reactions to all of this so far, and get a feel for where others are at before I start pointing fingers. (Actually, the main reason I'm not putting it up was because it's way too long to put together hahaha!) I'd also like to hear Blade's answers to the questions and not give him (or anyone else) anything to hide behind (by ways of accusing others of being scum). |
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Post by President Jeff on Jul 12, 2011 13:54:31 GMT -4
YES! Sally is back. I love your Novel explanations ;D
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Post by Blade on Jul 12, 2011 13:54:55 GMT -4
I would first like to say, thanks for that mini RP Sally, its appreciated... Now onto business
I don't look at the time L-1 posted, to the time I posted, I merely came online, Read my PM and went to the game.
Why was I quick to accuse Rebel? Well, the information I had from my night action showed me that Rebel was the ONLY Person to target you that night.
So why would I receive that information and not believe it. I believed my role, I believed my result (and before everyone starts harping on, no I am not a cop) So I am still thoroughly confused and can only assume that L-1 has put a fucker of a twist on my role that I have never seen before.
No one targeted JC last night.
Thats what I have from my role, but after the first night results, what am I to think?
When you have played this game as long as I have, you seem to get a gut instinct for who people will target; I chose you.
However, I didnt expect T marv to be killed last night; I really didnt. If anything, I got a weird feeling from him.
Why did I choose JC last night? Well I thought that it could be a heavy possibility that he was targeted due to his play on day 1
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 12, 2011 18:49:44 GMT -4
I think we have to trust the fact that a former Town (as we all now know I was) wouldn't be put back in as a scum. Actually, I've seen it done before. I'm not saying your scum. I believe you're town at the moment. I'm just saying it's been done. Now, as for your accusations, I believe Blade is scum. I understand your reasonings for him being town. But I actually think Blade is such an experienced player that he predicted most people would react like you did. However, Blade answered your questions. The answers sounded good. BUT why would L1, a rookie mod, put roles in that have never been done before? |
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Post by Blade on Jul 12, 2011 19:04:53 GMT -4
I think we have to trust the fact that a former Town (as we all now know I was) wouldn't be put back in as a scum. Actually, I've seen it done before. I'm not saying your scum. I believe you're town at the moment. I'm just saying it's been done. Now, as for your accusations, I believe Blade is scum. I understand your reasonings for him being town. But I actually think Blade is such an experienced player that he predicted most people would react like you did. However, Blade answered your questions. The answers sounded good. BUT why would L1, a rookie mod, put roles in that have never been done before? Why did i run an All SK game? because i could. Ask L-1 come end game. Like I said, if intel was screwed up, then it is more than likely due to a) my role or b) a mafia framer At the moment, Im leaning towards Framer. And because you are working me so hard branden, is there something you are not telling us? |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 12, 2011 20:08:19 GMT -4
I just don't think L1 would be able to come up with something like you're suggesting. You're an experienced mod. That's why you were able to come up with the SK game. L1 is a rookie mod.
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Post by Blade on Jul 12, 2011 20:17:11 GMT -4
That has nothing to do with anything Branden, and i think you are clutching at straws.
This is political mafia right? So i dont really think a framer role is out of the ordinary, it would explain my screwed up night result, and if i am honest, I have never seen an insane or naive variation of my role
So i would go with a framing role.
Maybe you know something I don't.. Maybe you branden are pushing it because you actually know that I am right
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 12, 2011 20:20:15 GMT -4
Okay, Blade. I get your point. I'll Unvote for now. But if no one else seems scum, I'm going after you.
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jc
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Post by jc on Jul 12, 2011 23:13:18 GMT -4
The only problem I see with Blade's claim, is that he is hinting at being a watcher. What that means, is that even if there was a mafia framer he would have seen the person that killed Sally and the person the framer set up. The only way I could see blade getting only one name is if the killer was a ninja. A ninja can be role blocked but will not appear in any tracking or watching roles.
To be honest though, considering how small the game is I doubt L1 put more than 3 scum in this game and more than likely it is just 2. If that's the case, I doubt he would use a role like framer when he could have a godfather and either a hit man, role blocker, or role cop.
Not sure if I trust blade, but it is obvious scum has us running around with blindfolds on.
Has there been any other red names besides Bush and Cheney?
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Post by SalTal on Jul 13, 2011 7:10:18 GMT -4
Ok, coming back into this round, I suspected that Jeff and Branden were scum working together. Obviously, it's not a Sally-original, as it was previously floated: Here's my theory..... Scum are Jeff and Brandon. Day one they did a good job playing off of Branden's need to vote for Jeff at the beginning of every game and made a bit of a joke out of it. Then, they basically ignore each other so far on day 2...and now Branden ignores my blame on Jeff when he's usually so gung ho about lynching him.... It's gotta be them. Yeah, TMarv came up with it. And now TMarv's dead. He also went down with these dying words: During the next day phase, cause I certainly won't be alive if Jeff has his way, go after El. Presedente!! TMarv seemed more convinced about Jeff being scum than he did with his vote for Rebel. He only threw that vote on because he wanted information and not because he thought he was a scum: For the record, I still dont' trust Jeff....call it a gut feeling. unvoteBut we need a lynch to get us some information. I'm 100% trusting Blade here. Vote RebelSo the guy who went hard for Jeff, in fact, ended up being the guy who turns up dead. Obviously that's not enough evidence to point the finger at Jeff, but I think it raises serious questions about you. Now when I saw that Rebel turned up Town (which I hadn't expected), I guessed that either Jeff of TMarv would get lynched. I knew Blade would (for reasons previously outlined). I thought these two were on the chopping block because they have experience (which JC apparently has) but are also getting out there and being visable (which JC is not). I then thought (at the time) I would have pushed for Jeff if he turns up to be the one that survives purely because I would have thought the scum would go after him before they go for TMarv. Why would they go for Jeff first? He's got the experience reputation, he's been more likely to get out and counter any accusations against him, and he was one of those Blade/Rebel-lynching supporters that actually has the best excuse to hide behind in the next round. If it turns out (as it has) that Blade isn't an auto-lynch people would be looking at players who voted for Rebel but didn't provide a good reason, Jeff's was decent, TMarv's was weaker (we'll get to that). Therefore, I would have thought to bump Jeff. That Jeff is still in, and TMarv is dead (with more weight, in my opinion, being given to his words) I think it's very suspect that Jeff is still alive and TMarv is not. If I were scum, I'd leave TMarv alive - as he was the last vote and provided a very poor excuse for as to why he voted for Rebel, which makes him very lynchable from a scum's perspective - and kill Jeff. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but it's strange that the complete opposite happened to what I had thought, and I think (at least by my own hand) it warrents more scrutiny. But the thing - the most peculiar thing - that I can't figure out without too many assumptions and guess-work is what happened in the first round between you, Jeff, and you, Branden. I mean, generally I can twist and turn and shove people's actions into holes to at least try and get some logical explanation (albeit not extirely correct) but I can't do it with this. And I think it was this interaction that helped form TMarv's theory. Here's how it went: Got my role. Vote: President JeffFirst thing Branden does is vote for you. Now, I don't take it all that seriously. I don't even pay attention to it later on. But maybe I should have. I should have picked up on this early trend of Braden's, too, because he says, soon after: "I have a dream ... that all Jeff's were created scum." Ok, so he's playing around. Not exactly being serious, but that's fine. The game is slow, there's little to work with. Might as well have some fun, right? But then something that sort of mixes things up: Thanks for the info. Vote for President JeffA vote for President Jeff is a vote for a better future. ;D Hart gets into it and votes for Jeff. Now, at this time, it was 5 to lynch. 3 away from lynching and Jeff comes out with: Not saying this because theres 2 votes on me, but I'm saying this cause I say this in every game, I don't think we should Lynch on day one. Reason, if we lynch and we're wrong, then we lose 2 townies right away. We need to start getting people talking and taking a look at people who are keeping quiet. I think thats where we should start, and then begin ruling people out Now I readily accept that Jeff prefixes this with a "I'm only saying this for the sake of others, not to get votes/attention/heat away from me ..." but it's the same thing a Town or Scum would say, so its worth is little. It's probably also worth noting that, even this early, TMarv wanted to lynch. He concedes that not lynching is probably the better option later into the day, but he did want a lynch early on for information - something that might prompt Jeff to get that apeal out there. But here's the big thing I can't figure out: Lynching Jeff is always a viable option. I mean every time I've voted for him he's ... been ... ... ... town. Um ... Nevermind. UnvoteOkay, being serious now. I don't think we should go for a no lynch. There's nothing wrong with a no lynch on day one. But I think we should try and weed out the scum the best we can. If we can't find any, a no lynch on day one won't hurt us. It just shouldn't be our aim. Why did you, Branden, all of a sudden take your vote off. You were playing around, you weren't being serious prior to this - why did you all of a sudden 'serious up'. Jeff was still 3 votes away from getting lynched. And a statement versus action analysis just doesn't gel with me: Ok, so I would have expected you to keep you vote - which was largely meaningless as it was 3 votes away from being meaningful - on Jeff or to start actually getting out there and exposing information. Then, the very next sentence, you're justifying not lynching. Why didn't you stand up for what you already thought? Why, now, are you going with what Jeff said? So does everyone, but it's counter-productive to say this and then taking your vote off Jeff, in my opinion. But what was even more interesting was that you said this and then did nothing but defend Jeff for the rest of the round. That's something glaring to me - why on Earth would you say "weed out the scum" and then spend the rest of the round doing the exactly opposite. That's actually true ... and exactly what Jeff had been saying. It is the complete opposite to what you have been saying/wanting/doing to this point. It's a true statement enough, but it's not what your actions spelled out. And yet, you actions after this point make it your aim. This post was a litany of contradictions. Like I said, you then went on to defend Jeff ad nauseum after this: Jeff might be scum. But Jeff always gets defensive when he's accused. It's how he plays. You can't accuse him over that. Our goal is to weed out scum, J-Reb, not weed out bad players. Jeff might be scum. I just don't think we should use something that he does when he's town to call him scum. And by ad nauseum I mean the rest of your actions that round. Why did you feel it on your shoulders to defend Jeff? It was strange that Jeff didn't even acknowledge the posts that you were even defending him against, Branden! Why the massive turn in approach to Jeff - from joking around to not, and taking it serious? What made you take a new approach to the whole game so early? And it's a tone of seriousness that you rarely show. I just can't sort this out, Branden and Jeff. And that's why I'm thinking you might both be scum and there might be some water to TMarv's suspicions and his dying words. I'm more than happy for either of you two to counter and/or explain what I've said here. I would also encourage other people to start going after the more quiet members of this game, as my limited game-play probably doesn't equip me to go after the quiet folks. |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 13, 2011 10:54:24 GMT -4
I was getting serious because the conversation was getting serious, Sally.
Also, my post wasn't contradictory. I said that a no lynch wouldn't be something we should aim for. Jeff, as always, wanted to aim for a no lynch. I wanted to try to weed out scum and only no lynch if we couldn't do that. It doesn't seem contradicyory to me.
Now, as for Tmarv ending up dead, I wouldn't be stupid enough to kill him after he had accused me of being scum. That would point fingers straight at me and I know that. I knew there was going to be fingers pointing at me as soon as I read that he was dead. But have you ever considered the fact that scum might be trying to frame me?
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Post by SalTal on Jul 13, 2011 11:06:01 GMT -4
I knew there was going to be fingers pointing at me as soon as I read that he was dead. I did consider it, yes. But then I also thought "If Branden was scum, here would be a chance for him to get rid of TMarv because the next round, he could go straight for Blade and expect that it would provide enough cover for him." What better way to deflect the finger-pointing than to have everyone look at Blade. And that's what you did - you went straight for Blade. But out of the two of you - you and Jeff - I'm more suspect on Jeff. |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 13, 2011 11:26:43 GMT -4
Half your post was questioning me. lol
Anyway, Sally, I went after Blade because I had no doubt in my mind that he was scum. Blade put a little doubt in my mind. That's why I unvoted. But I'm still keeping an eye on him.
As for Jeff, I'm keeping an eye on him as well.
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Post by President Jeff on Jul 13, 2011 15:41:09 GMT -4
Sally, your looking WAY too much into things. You may think I'm scum, but all your doing is taking any little thing said and twisting it to making it make me look bad. How do we know that Nova wasn't a scum and you came back into his role as a scum?
You suspecting me, but really, have you even bother looking at anyone else such as Hopper Rose, JC or Stephan Hart?
Hopper hasn't posted much in this game, kinda keeping on the down low. To me, thats spells out Scum
JC see Hopper
Stephan, see JC and Hopper
They are just sitting back and letting us go at it. And why should they post anything others are looking bad.
I've ignored Branden this game. I ignore him cause he flip flops a lot. Example, Voting for Blade right away and then takes his vote back.
Right now, I'm thinking Scum is Branden, JC and Stephan Hart. Branden is doing all the dirty work and will be used as a sacrafice if needed. Don't forget, JC jumped in on a vote to get Rebel out. He didn't think Rebel was scum, but did it to get information. And lets not forget that after Sally died and Blade came out accuming Rebel, JC was the first person to come out and say
JC has no additonal information to confirm it. And then at the end of the day, he does vote Rebel. Scummy much?
Yah, Tmarv was killed and his last works to go after me. Do you really think I'm dumb enough if I was scum to kill someone who threw my name out there. Stephan Hart wants me gone and he made it clear. He's been voting me since day 1. My guess, he killed Tmarv. He kept throwing my name out there hoping someone would make the connection of Tmarv calling me out. Why would Stephan want to Lynch me, simple, a lynch on me, means two townies gets killed and it gives the scum the advantage.
like I said, right now, Branden, JC and Stephan are on my scum list.
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 13, 2011 17:51:56 GMT -4
Jeff, explain to me why I'm on your scum list. I'm not a lurker like everyone else you mentioned.
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Post by President Jeff on Jul 13, 2011 17:56:22 GMT -4
The main move that put you on my list is Once Rebel was Lynched, you started going off on Blade, convinced that he's scum before he had a chance to explain himself, and then after going back and forth, you randomly unvoted him. I think you went after him right away because you thought everyone else would. You we're probably thinking Blade was an easy Lynch. But then no one followed you, so you took your vote back.
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