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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 20, 2011 2:41:15 GMT -4
Vote Count:
President Jeff: 1 (Lester "L1" Only)
Blade: 1 (Tmarv)
Kurt Noble: 1 (Ebirah)
Lester "L1" Only: 1 (President Jeff)
JD Storm: 1 (Kurt Noble)
Not voting: JD Storm, Blade, Stephan Hart, CJ Gates, "Simply Put" Johnny Rebel, SalTal, JC
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is midnight on Wednsday.
Sending prods now.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 20, 2011 6:29:44 GMT -4
Rebel is always good for a lynch. He hasn't survived a game yet!
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Post by President Jeff on Jul 20, 2011 6:38:40 GMT -4
Branden, you say deadline is Wednesday at Midnight, what time zone is that in
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Post by Blade on Jul 20, 2011 7:27:41 GMT -4
Jeff is usually quite happy to sit back and have a no lynch first day, its odd how he comes out today and is trying to set something ip
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Post by C.J. Gates on Jul 20, 2011 7:55:56 GMT -4
Well, JC, in the last game there were 3 scum, and since we have more in this game I'd probably say there's at least 3.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Jul 20, 2011 9:21:06 GMT -4
This is a bit of an interesting game -- never seen Harvey mod but I can't imagine there isn't a major twist awaiting us somewhere along the way.
Thanks for the love, Sally.
The theory is always to lynch someone for information on day one and I think it's a mistake. Very rarely do you get scum with your lynch and your left still with more questions than answers. Unless someone says something incriminating before the deadline this evening, I'm in favor of a no-lynch and let those who have the ability to investigate during the night do their job.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Jul 20, 2011 9:22:04 GMT -4
This is a bit of an interesting game -- never seen Harvey mod but I can't imagine there isn't a major twist awaiting us somewhere along the way. Thanks for the love, Sally. The theory is always to lynch someone for information on day one and I think it's a mistake. Very rarely do you get scum with your lynch and your left still with more questions than answers. Unless someone says something incriminating before the deadline this evening, I'm in favor of a no-lynch and let those who have the ability to investigate during the night do their job. And to add the last three times we've lynched on the first day, hasn't it been the Medic/Doctor we've accused? We haven't had great luck in that regard. |
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Post by SalTal on Jul 20, 2011 9:45:37 GMT -4
This is a bit of an interesting game -- never seen Harvey mod but I can't imagine there isn't a major twist awaiting us somewhere along the way. Thanks for the love, Sally. The theory is always to lynch someone for information on day one and I think it's a mistake. Very rarely do you get scum with your lynch and your left still with more questions than answers. Unless someone says something incriminating before the deadline this evening, I'm in favor of a no-lynch and let those who have the ability to investigate during the night do their job. And to add the last three times we've lynched on the first day, hasn't it been the Medic/Doctor we've accused? We haven't had great luck in that regard. I don't think there's ever been a lynch the first day in a Mafia game here. We've always lost the medic/doctor with the overnight kill. On your idea then, we should go for a lynch now because we're going to lose the doctor on Night 1 - might as well make a play for it! |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 20, 2011 11:34:27 GMT -4
Branden, you say deadline is Wednesday at Midnight, what time zone is that in I'm lame beause I don't know time zone names. It's the New York time zone that's usually used around here. So that's the time zone I'm using. It'd be about 9:00pm in California, where I live. |
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Post by Blade on Jul 20, 2011 12:30:40 GMT -4
EST it is then
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 13:42:03 GMT -4
Got my role. (note having net problems so I'm not on as much as of late)
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 14:00:35 GMT -4
Yes, we should go for a lynch. It will take forever to get information that is incriminating at this rate. I look at it like this: Let's assume there's at least two scum in the 12. We then have a ~16% chance of getting a lynch just by going on hunches and suspicion. That's better than the 0% chance we have of lynching a scum if we don't go for one. I say we go for anyone who remains quite after we make the decision. Quiet players don't help the game if they are Town, and they may very well be scum. I agree with your mathematical explanation as to why we should lynch someone. Our chances is low, but it's better than nothing. And you know what, we could always be lucky and actually lynch the scum. However your last line with people remaining quiet, I 50% agree with that. Agreeing with you that the quiet people does not help the town if they are town. But I respectively disagree with you that quiet people could actually be scum. I don't think it was luck or coincidence that I pointed out all three scum in the last game, not agreeing with the scum that was claiming it's the quiet ones we should lynch. And we that, that did no get us anywhere. It got us killed, while the scum was partying like it was 1999. With that said I respectively believe you're using the same tactics the scum used in the other game. I don't have nothing else to go on as yet, but unlike the last game I'm voting somebody this round and you respectively receive my vote Sal, sorry, but I don't trust anybody that believe quietness means scum. I think scum will be loud and clear like the last game. Vote: SalTal |
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 14:08:28 GMT -4
correction (damn keyboard): And we did that, that however did not get us anywhere. It got us killed, while the scum was partying like it was 1999.
NOTE: Consider my position as not trusting anybody that believe somebody being quiet is scum, is a change that comes with a rookie to the game. I realize that is what people pretty much believed in, but I don't. Might be a rookie move but it worked for me before and I am confident and determined to find and lynch the scums among us.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Jul 20, 2011 15:30:05 GMT -4
So, Hart thinks that the quiet ones don't help the town, yet won't vote for them because they could be scum...So you're willing to lynch active speakers instead of the quiet ones who won't vote and will just be dead weight for us to carry along?
I'm not saying this in an effort to get Sally's name off the books, it just seems odd that with the, what, one person we have that has been really quiet, you'd rather vote Sally then JD (I believe he's the one).
I haven't committed myself to a vote just yet, but will probably have one later this evening.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jul 20, 2011 16:38:32 GMT -4
Hart's vote and reasoning is intriguing but also contradicts itself at the same time which why I'm leaning more toward voting for Hart right now.
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Post by President Jeff on Jul 20, 2011 17:03:37 GMT -4
Well we got about 7 hours to decide if we want to Lynch or not. I don't think we're gonna be able to come to a decision on rather or not we should Lynch someone or not. Its might be safe to go with a no lynch and hope for the best. I'll probably be the one the mafia kills during the night, so if theres any doctors out there  |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Jul 20, 2011 17:35:31 GMT -4
Hart's vote and reasoning is intriguing but also contradicts itself at the same time which why I'm leaning more toward voting for Hart right now. That's exactly what I was thinking. Vote: Hart |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 20, 2011 18:29:41 GMT -4
Vote Count:
President Jeff: 1 (Lester "L1" Only)
Blade: 1 (Tmarv)
Kurt Noble: 1 (Ebirah)
Lester "L1" Only: 1 (President Jeff)
JD Storm: 1 (Kurt Noble)
SalTal: 1 (Stephan Hart)
Stephan Hart: 1 (CJ Gates)
Not voting: JD Storm, Blade, "Simply Put" Johnny Rebel, SalTal, JC
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is midnight on Wednsday.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 18:38:45 GMT -4
Okay so I speak the truth and people start to vote for me or at leas thinking to vote for me.
First of all I thought people who aren't active is MOD KILLED. Why bother! So I'm trying to figure out how in the world am I contradicting myself, by saying "I don't believe the idea of whoever stays quiet is scum, while those like SalTal who tries to focus on those who is quiet, might know damn well that those who isn't defending themselves or remains quiet is from the town". This idea has brained washed people and the scum uses that to their advantage. Don't believe me look at the other game. I may be a rookie, but I'm not stupid. And I'm also not a damn scum, like I said in my first ever game, but whatever I said people refuse to listen, because I'm the rookie. So vote me of, but don't say I didn't warn that you'll regret your vote on me.
Let me repeat myself, scum does not keep quiet. they will plant the seeds of doubt, point fingers, but not directly (directly like what I a doing). then they get everybody on board, will be about the third or fourth to join the train of votes and boom they eliminate a townie. At the same time, they will try and have everybody focus on the first person that actually step forward and that person will be lynched. It's pretty easy to understand, and people might wonder how the hell in my first game I was on the right track 95% percent of the time.
If some how I am lynched or the scum finds me as a threat because I talk sense, so they take me out in the night hours, I just hope people take my advice so at least the town don't suffer yet another major defeat by the scum.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 18:42:14 GMT -4
Take out the quiet ones, they turn up townies and guess what those who's active and was saying let's take out the quiet once, are one big step close to winning. Quiet ones is the easy vote. That's what the scum wants. Just needed to point that out.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Jul 20, 2011 18:47:16 GMT -4
But that's the thing, Hart. an INACTIVE will get mod killed. A QUIET will skate by. We've had instances before where mafia has remained quiet and skated through the entire game. Maybe with you're detective skills it won't happen.
Day one is basically just pick and choose. No one knows anything (on the town side anyways), so you've just got to pick out based on what people say. And I found what you said was true, but also, could have been an attempt to play off of what happened last game.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Jul 20, 2011 18:48:37 GMT -4
In addition:
I'm not saying you're definitely nailed-to-the-wall scum, but to me, so far you've seemed the scummiest.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 18:59:54 GMT -4
and I'm trying to figure out how I sound the scummiest, while I speak the truth?
I guess next time I'll remain a little more quiet and or just close my eyes and go along with everybody else. by selecting somebody random, or quiet or because it's the popular thing to do. I'm not selecting SalTal, because it's a random choice. It's so obvious she wants to focus on the quiet ones, but rather not point at a specific person, but follow who ever decides to make the first move. At the same time she knows that tactic of pointing fingers at the more quiet people, worked to perfection in the last game. Didn't work on me then and it's not working on me now.
I'm not the scum that the town wants to lynch. I'm actually coming out with the most common sense as to why I'm voting the way I am. With all the votes that's been cast I haven't see one person explain exactly why they are voting the way they are or a better explanation.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 19:05:34 GMT -4
You're right about Inactive and Quiet, but let make no mistake, I think scum is more active than quiet. I mean I don't think what happened in the last game was coincidence. Do you?
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Post by jc on Jul 20, 2011 19:29:17 GMT -4
So are you claiming to be scum? I mean, you're pretty active.  On a serious note though... I do find it odd that you would get your role and show up after it looks like the consensus was forming to go after the quiet ones. I don't know your net problems, or if they even exist, I just have to take your word for it. But as we've seen in many of these games, someone's word is worth about the paper it is written on. Seriously, would you come out and claim to be scum if you were? |
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 19:51:47 GMT -4
If I was scum, I would not claim that I was a townie. I would another way around it, but would not directly say I am a townie. Not a liar!
Secondly, I think I explained myself in my first post. Or did you read that? My net was down and I thought the game was going to start this Friday. Until I finally got on today and noticed I had two pm in box, one telling me my role and second warning me if I do not post something I would be mod killed. I actually thought I was mod killed already, but notice I still had a good bit of time on my hands. So please don't try and use the reason I was not on and suddenly is is because I am scum and trying to stir something. I live in the Caribbean and unlike the larger countries, here we have net problems and electricity problems. Think I'm lying, go check the last game and see what I said about the power being out.
Thirdly I am aware that what I am saying puts me in the same boat. But I would think people would be intelligent enough to realize, I'm not in teaming up or something to try and take out somebody. I'm standing by myself, accusing someone I think is scum and defending myself at the same time. Nobody is standing up for me or siding with me. Just right there should tell you I not a freaking scum. Scum works together, but try not to look like they are. So my theory is SalTal, brings up he lame idea of quiet people being scum (I would think scum would already know they are targeted first when they remain quiet) she fails to point a finger at a specific person. But why should she, while she knows she has back up whole will suddenly point a finger at a random person who is quiet. Wait for somebody or a couple people to vote along and then jump in a vote.
But you know what? I'm tired of trying to point out the obvious. Vote how you want to vote, point finger how you want to point finger and we'll see what happens.
You know what let's say if I'm wrong, which I doubt. But let's say we make it through the first round without a lynch. And Saltal is killed. You know what I think? I think the mafia sees me as a threat. So to take out two birds with one (saying if Saltal is townie and I'm wrong bout her), salTal is killed and people will probably start to focus on me. because I was SalTal's biggest critic and I also believe the mafia feels threatened by yours truly. I don't think SalTal is a townie, but if she is, the mafia damn well know I am on the right track, not falling for this excuse of quiet people is guilty of something. Trying to think scum here, maybe not SalTal. They target someone random, like that they'll have us like chicken with our head chopped off, wondering what's up with that? And what now? I'm saying now I'm sticking with my guns. I played my first game good, I'm not planning on changing tactics.
I'm just interested in seeing what happens during the night and who's the first person to be killed.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 19:53:40 GMT -4
ok you did read the net problem part. lol my bad, but yeah things like that I'm not going to make up.
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Post by brandenharvey on Jul 20, 2011 20:15:16 GMT -4
Vote Count:
President Jeff: 1 (Lester "L1" Only)
Blade: 1 (Tmarv)
Kurt Noble: 1 (Ebirah)
Lester "L1" Only: 1 (President Jeff)
JD Storm: 1 (Kurt Noble)
SalTal: 1 (Stephan Hart)
Stephan Hart: 1 (CJ Gates)
Not voting: JD Storm, Blade, "Simply Put" Johnny Rebel, SalTal, JC
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Four hours to deadline.
I'm loving the activity today. Keep it up.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Jul 20, 2011 20:48:55 GMT -4
Alright Hart, I'm going to lean on the side that you are just trying to help us by using the experience in the last game. At least for now. My eyes are still on you, though.
Unvote
I'm also unvoting because I don't think we're going to come to a consensus on who to lynch. We have four hours and 7 different targets currently hit with votes. Unless everyone hops on and we can agree to something, it's probably looking slim that we'll hit the limit.
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Post by Stephan Hart on Jul 20, 2011 21:30:19 GMT -4
You're absolutely right about the 7 votes on one person. There's no way, I figured that even as I voted for SalTal, but I voted for her because my suspicion is at a high and the res of the scum will have a hard time misleading me away from SalTal.
Unvote
Hopefully next round (if I'm still around, if you know what I mean) we learn more, but yeah SalTal is at the top of my list. As for CJ, I appreciate you unvote, I'm not the scum you can take my word on it, although this is a game you can't really trust anybody right? But yeah I definitely helping the town and not the scum.
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