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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 1, 2012 22:18:02 GMT -4
EBWOP
AHHH-HAHAHAHA! I see what you did there, Donovan. I made that same mistake once, and it got me lynched (if I remember right). Once you're called out for not voting, you NEVER vote right after... EVER. You've kind of got me thinking about changing my vote... Or maybe you and Jeff are 2 of 4? 2 of 3 maybe?
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Post by Calvin Ingram on Jun 1, 2012 22:28:39 GMT -4
EBWOP AHHH-HAHAHAHA! I see what you did there, Donovan. I made that same mistake once, and it got me lynched (if I remember right). Once you're called out for not voting, you NEVER vote right after... EVER. You've kind of got me thinking about changing my vote... Or maybe you and Jeff are 2 of 4? 2 of 3 maybe? You only did that because we had you nailed for being scum and you want all the heat to be gone off of you. But i'm not buying it one bit. |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Jun 1, 2012 22:40:14 GMT -4
I agree he's suspicious, but in the same token there are people that i feel have been more suspicious in the game for me to vote him, because if he's a townie and we lynch him, we go down to 10 people, 4 of which are mafia, by the next day. I'm not sure I want to vote for him yet.
My thing is he lied about his power, and then fessed up to having a good power in hop
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 1, 2012 22:41:03 GMT -4
This is honestly the most entertaining this game has been for me. Kind of glad I stuck my foot in my mouth, just for this moment. Donovan Caine... In your attempts to avoid being called out, you have just convinced me that you either A.) Are just as bad as me in this game, or B.) You're the true scum, pushing way too hard to lynch me, and trying desperately to take the heat off your back.
So tell us... Why didn't you vote to begin with? Why wait until you're called out? I could just as easily call you scum. A scum move is to take heat off ASAP (which is what you didn't hesitateo do). Honestly, I PUT HEAT ON ME, didn't I? I'm helping the scum right now, no doubt about it. But I've already messed up, why just sit back and take it, right? To boot, if you're scum, and pushing so hard for this lynch, don't you think that the first people they'll look at, are the ones who look the most scummy during my lynch? ...Just saying. If I die, when I turn up town, you're probably next. Again... Just saying.
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Post by Calvin Ingram on Jun 1, 2012 23:08:42 GMT -4
You've been running circles around people for the longest and you also said the wrong things. You were or weren't with a dead guy. You lied about your power for some stupid reason. You want to cover your tracks right but you now are fessing up now. Okay guys if i'm scum then Chaz is the easter bunny which they both don't exist in my book. As i'm not a lowly scum if I was scum i'd clearly voted Atken. Because A. He's the most vulnerable due to inactivity. B. Surely he popped up late to put in his two cents to save you didn't he Chaz. I'm not too sure Soul if he's scum or Atken but my vote'll stick for now? I'm not trying to get you lynched though it's hard not to vote for you after all the information you gave us. Hell,you were openly stumbling for a few pages now. I'm playing this game as a rookie but i'm not going to let you outsmart me. I also don't think you will be lynched. But my vote stays until someone clearly can vouch for you meeting with JamesV. Who happened to wind up dead. And yes Atken tried to throw the heat oof you as either A. He's just trying to save us from making a bad call or B. He's scum but he wants not you to be lynched but me. Don't vote me because honestly i'm at least close to the scum and sense i'm getting close they're trying to take me out. To my fellow town i'm one night action away from helping our cause greatly. While Chaz has abused lies and Atken has tried to draw attention to my cleanly name. So as before my vote stays Chaz as you can't be trusted. But as i'm sure you won't be lynched this is just a safety precaution. Why wait to vote like I said I didn't want to jump the gun. Until your pre-assupmption jumping the gun you weren't very guilty of being scum. Seriously whomever didn't see you go apeshit on Jeff as he was pushing some nerves to make you out as scum is blind or in cohoots with you. Either way you got my vote as a safety measure. I'm not saying that you didn't do this just to ve saved. I'm saying is you put a bullseye on your back because you totally lied,voted jeff for confonting you on your lies and behavior now to change your mind and blame me. *Clap* *Clap* You and Atken need either the lynch because the both of you are very shady characters. I am just going by facts and Chaz is sticking out like a sore thumb. By the way I won't be next considering Jeff voted you first. If you aren't scum then surely when Jeff does die for his vote on you first then it'll make me feel humble. But seriously me being a rookie odesn't mean i'm a target. Hell you aren't saying Thesoul is a target and he's a rookie face it Chaz the game of cat and mouse isn't getting you nowhere. I honestly want you to be proved innocent. But until you are like I said my vote sticks.
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Post by T-Marv on Jun 1, 2012 23:13:26 GMT -4
So... I was honestly coming on here and reading and thinking... Okay, I've made a decision... I truly know who to vote for... THEN we get that little gem from Donavan Caine there....
I Know i've been sporadic today but that was due to a busy fucking day of family shit. But I'm back now and I'm going to read over everything one more time. A lot doesn't add up....I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that Donovan or Chaz is scum. Also...the town needs a scum lynch today...badly and if we don't have one, then the cop needs to investigate the other and make DAMN sure we get scum tomorrow.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 1, 2012 23:18:56 GMT -4
Unvote: Jeff
Vote: Caine
Jeff isn't off the hook. I still think Jeff is a little scummy. But Donovan has obviously noticed his mistake, and is in panic mode (much like I was). However, where we differ, is he has NO EXCUSE for his panic mode. It would have less scummy for you to say "I just don't want to risk lynching a townee", and leave it at that. However, the heat was a little too much, and you had an awful lot to say that frankly... Was just filler. I don't know if I'm the only one that sees this. But if you're not scum, you truly are just as bad as I am in this game. I'm going to laugh my ass off if you're town, Caine, push my lynch, and then find out I'm town. You've blatantly called me scum more times than once, obviously dead-ridden on me being scum. Heh, kind of makes me want to vote myself off. But then again, I get the feeling you're not town, and you know what you're trying to do. So I'm not going to play into it. Just going to go with my gut. I need not guess when it comes to you. I just... really think you're pushing WAY to hard.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 1, 2012 23:23:03 GMT -4
EBWOP AHHH-HAHAHAHA! I see what you did there, Donovan. I made that same mistake once, and it got me lynched (if I remember right). Once you're called out for not voting, you NEVER vote right after... EVER. You've kind of got me thinking about changing my vote... Or maybe you and Jeff are 2 of 4? 2 of 3 maybe? You only did that because we had you nailed for being scum and you want all the heat to be gone off of you. But i'm not buying it one bit. EBWOP Btw, what's this "we" stuff? "We"? Is this French class? Is there a mouse in your pocket? ...Just asking. And I want the heat off of me? Heh, alrighty then. You clearly haven't been paying much attention. |
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Post by Calvin Ingram on Jun 1, 2012 23:31:48 GMT -4
Bravo Chaz but seriously either you or Atken are scum. I said what I had to say because seriously since i'm a rookie my back is to the corner. So my vote on you has to stay to keep me safe. I can't just turn my vote over and then wind up killed like you did JamesV after your meeting. I most likely think Atken is scum and you should too. Why would someone so inactive show up just to draw heat off the man who visited JamesV. He knows I was too close to pushing your buttons and he knows that he had enough juice to frame you. Since he had to draw heat off you he clearly set me up as scummy. I never thought you were scum at first for sure and now clearly I ain't saying you are. But scum is definitely around and i don't know who to trust i'm just as paranoid as you in good reason. Let's just calm down and re-evaluate things. My vote isn't going to stick but it was just til you got someone to vouch you visited JamesV. But since the person who framed you put the heat on me, Atken. Then clearly you should vote Atken as scum. My vote on you now is to be safe but if like i said someone can vouch for your night actions then i'll back off Chaz. Because i'm leaning towards you and Atken's last minute show up to save you. Hell easily Eavn Envi could of been watching you with Atken to set you up then Atken who had spat at me earlier for calling him at being inactive calls me scum. Plus he saves a guy being framed to put the blame on a rookie. I'm not going to fall victim to your lies Atken is definitely scum and he's definitely trying to turn you all on me. I was trying to make sure Chazwas scum or not. But seriously anybody who thinks i'm scum are pushing the matter too far and should look at the facts. Emvi,Atken or Chaz are either scum and I am trying to figure out who it is. I voted Chaz based on his incoherent spiel just trust me on this
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 1, 2012 23:36:47 GMT -4
So now it's "either you or atkin"? Come on, dude! You're flopping more than I change pic bases!
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Post by Calvin Ingram on Jun 1, 2012 23:42:03 GMT -4
So now it's "either you or atkin"? Come on, dude! You're flopping more than I change pic bases! Read my other posts I been called out on Atken on showing out the blue for drawing attention on me. But him throwing attention on me when I got to close to you was suspicious. And i'm flip flop who just changed their vote to me after I was getting to close. I didn't push to hard you were just playing the game so badly that you seemed to be guilty of being scum. I'm still waiting on you to prove you are innocent. But trust me Chaz you need to take into account that Atken did put my name in the hat to probably be lynched after I was too close to you. i seriously think he knows about your meeting with JamesV as he's with the mafia. Just trust me on the fact my voting to you was just because noone has proved your innocence yet. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 1, 2012 23:44:51 GMT -4
Where we differ... Yet again... I changed vote by my own accord. You try to look innocent by changing your mind just because other people say you look scummy... Silly, silly man.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Jun 2, 2012 0:01:08 GMT -4
I hate to be rude but will you guys please paragraph your stuff in future posts? It's such a nightmare having to read giant block paragraphs and it really makes me want to headbutt my monitor.
Thank you.
More rational discussion coming in a few hours when I wake up again.
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Post by Kurt on Jun 2, 2012 0:06:55 GMT -4
I'm not going to able to address everything you say Caine, but I will comment on the aspect of your posts that worries me the most.
This and...
Very, very heavily contrasts this:
and...
You frequently call Chaz scum on Page 9, and now are taking more a middle-ground that several players (including myself) are on. You claim you voted Chaz because no one has proved his innocence, but very clearly vote him because you feel he's scum; not because he wasn't cleared. Again, the main reason your posts are standing out is because there was a definite certainty to your pace that now has evaporated. There are several contradictions and points that simply get pulled out of the air. I understand your claim to Atkens as scum, but Envi's name just seems to be randomly generated. I know I've chided him for activity, but you don't make that point when naming him.
You and Chaz both have erratic behavior, back-pedaling, and contradictions. However, Chaz's problems are self-inflicted and to me are stemming from over-eccentric gameplay; yours aren't.
Waiting a few hours longer for people to emerge from the darkness (gonna get some sleep) before placing my vote. There's no need to drag this day out by fence-sitting any longer.
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Post by Jules on Jun 2, 2012 4:33:53 GMT -4
DAY 3 VOTE COUNT
2 - Chaz (President Jeff, Donovan Caine)
1 - Donovan Caine (Chaz)
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
DAY 3 DEADLINE
Sunday 3rd of June - 4 PM EST
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Jun 2, 2012 8:24:57 GMT -4
Slowly catching up here. I'm in D.C. for the weekend to catch the Braves/Nationals series, and since we got rained out last night, I was out around town reliving my childhood chasing around Braves players.
I'm not buying the Chaz stuff. The fact remains: he admitted lying through the first night phase and then continued his story about having a major role but won't admit to anything or help the town with information from said power role.
I'm not sure if anybody in the history of an APW mafia game has survived from such a bold lie.
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Post by President Jeff on Jun 2, 2012 13:53:11 GMT -4
I'm gonna ask you a 3rd time Chaz. I still want to know, since you visited James on Night 2, who did you visit on Night 1.
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Post by T-Marv on Jun 2, 2012 14:06:44 GMT -4
I'm gonna ask you a 3rd time Chaz. I still want to know, since you visited James on Night 2, who did you visit on Night 1. It doesn't matter... his answer will most likely be a lie. So here's the point of the matter Chaz. You lied about your role and then you just threw out your thing about visiting James. I DO think you visited James...to Kill him. I've been watching the back and forth between you and Caine and others, and your whole argument is "Why would I lie about a lie...." Well Duh, because you lied. You got super defensive before you had a single vote on you. And you stayed superdefensive. Normally I wouldn't mind this, but your entire defense seems to be "WHY DON'T YOU TRUST ME" and quite honestly, you haven't given us a single reason to trust you. The sad thing about all this is that it's hard to tell apart you and Caine right now as to who is the scummiest person out there. Caine has a bunch of mis information in his posts as well, but they seem more like rookie mistakes. I know you're not a rookie. So you're obviously trying to weasel out of a lynching.... Lynching you gives us a great deal more information than Caine AND I feel you're much more likely to be scum than him. And the thing that threw me over the top... You have still yet to explain how scum could see you visited James V night two THEN decided to kill him. That's the biggest red flag right there as it IS 99% impossible.... What most likely happened is this... You killed james. Your scum friends informed on somebody else....saw that they tracked you so you had to come up with a quick SUPER QUICK story. As for why the Tracker didn't come out with this information.... why would he have to at this point? Unless the lynch turned drastically, then why out yourself? Vote: Chaz |
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Post by T-Marv on Jun 2, 2012 14:08:01 GMT -4
EBWOP:
Big FOS on Caine and Jeff if Chaz turns town...
Big FOS on Those who defended Chaz's Useless role post if he flips scum.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 2, 2012 15:50:33 GMT -4
Now, I'm almost begging to be lynched. Because Marvin, that's a pretty scummy assumption. That could very-well be your way of saying "Hey, when Chaz turns up town, I'm off the hook because I said EXACTLY what Chaz said about Caine!"
I don't care either way. I almost WANT to be lynched, just so Caine's jaw can drop when I flip town, and he can be lynched shortly thereafter.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 2, 2012 15:54:45 GMT -4
EBWOP
You know what, to hell with it... DOCTOR... PROTECT ME!
Night One, I visited MYSELF! There, now you undoubtedly know who I am. So town, mafia knows... Might want to protect me, or lose. Your call.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Jun 2, 2012 16:04:15 GMT -4
EBWOP You know what, to hell with it... DOCTOR... PROTECT ME! Night One, I visited MYSELF! There, now you undoubtedly know who I am. So town, mafia knows... Might want to protect me, or lose. Your call. Doctors aren't going to protect you where you're going Chaz. Vote: ChazYou're a TRI brother 'til the end but I just don't buy your arguments at all. This seems like a last attempt to try and save yourself. If you turn out town then so be it on my head but at the end of the day you've played this game completely terribly and to have you out the way will end two days of nothing but awkward non-logic when we could've been rooting out real/other scummers. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 2, 2012 16:14:51 GMT -4
As fellow TRI, I'm going to say this as nice as possible, because I love, and respect you...
You're an intelligent man, but are you out of your fucking mind? I've just told you who I am, and when you lynch me, you lose, bottom line (unless you're mafia). I have had the chance to track 2 people thus far... Me, who turned up sane, and James, who turned up both town, and dead. I came out about visiting him, so the town didn't have to risk lynching (probably) the most powerful role on their side. But, if you want to, go for it.
OR... How about this...
Anyone else want to claim to be, who I claim to be? If you don't know who I am by now, you need not play this game anymore. So if someone else claims to be who I claim to be, you can lynch me. Hell, I'll even vote for myself! But after that, you'll know at least 1 mafia member, when I turn up town.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Jun 2, 2012 16:22:07 GMT -4
Anyone else want to claim to be, who I claim to be? If you don't know who I am by now, you need not play this game anymore. So if someone else claims to be who I claim to be, you can lynch me. Hell, I'll even vote for myself! But after that, you'll know at least 1 mafia member, when I turn up town. And this is why I don't buy it. To me this seems like a "If this ship is going down, I'm going to take someone with me" sort of mentality. Basically by claiming cop you're trying to get the "real" cop to out himself so in your death the Mafia gain a valuable NK target. It's not going to work. |
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Post by Kurt on Jun 2, 2012 16:25:14 GMT -4
On my kindle, so short response from me. Something about Chaz's universal heat feels wrong. He just seems too paranoid, and not because he got caught. I realize there's some overly defensive attitudes about him, but I' getting desperate town vibe from him, whereas the person I'm about to vote feels more aggressive than defensie. That invisible hand in the background feeling has earned them my vote.
Vote: Caine
I'll have a more thorough response around 11 PM.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 2, 2012 16:37:33 GMT -4
Your observation is very well thought put, Callahan. However, why do you think I've been so secretive for DAYS about who I visited night one? Because it would have given it away! Why would I have waited so long to come out about it! An I've been asked several times! Think about it, and change your vote to the REAL mafia.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 2, 2012 16:38:01 GMT -4
EBWOP
Thought out, my bad.
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Post by Calvin Ingram on Jun 2, 2012 16:53:09 GMT -4
I'm not town Noble and yes I defended you accusing me as i'm just as paranoid as Chaz. I'm not being guided by an invisible hand and seriously have ties so strong that the mafia would want me dead. The option I chose was to makesure my secret was intact not because i'm scum. I did it to have leverage but now I know Chaz is innocent but someone still needs to be lynched in my mind. And the person who put all the blame on me out of nowhere taking your eyes off Chaz was Atken. It's not just because he's inactive and throw heat on me it's also because I think he knows my role with the town is a threat to the mafia. If the town has any hope of survival then I suggest you keep me alive just until night four when my place comes full circle. Chaz you're not guilty in my eyes i'm certain that Atken was behind watching you and him blaming me was a way to get another powerful townee out the way and i'm not going down to scum that easy.
Unvote:Chaz
Vote:Atken
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jun 2, 2012 17:09:02 GMT -4
Caine, you're proving to be scum with every post you make.
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Post by Jules on Jun 2, 2012 17:15:29 GMT -4
Tim Gutterson: I love this s**t. This s**t gets me hard. Raylan Givens: Well, we've both been warned then. * DAY 3 VOTE COUNT2 - Chaz (President Jeff, Tmarv) 2 - Donovan Caine (Chaz, Kurt) 1 - Atken (Donovan Caine) With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. DAY 3 DEADLINESunday 3rd of June - 4 PM EST
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