|
|
Post by Nick Watson on Oct 5, 2012 15:09:46 GMT -4
Im not going to vote till I hear both sides of the story. Im not going to jump to any conclusions.
Mainly because of how little information was actually given by james.
|
|
|
|
Post by Level-Two on Oct 5, 2012 15:16:12 GMT -4
Wait. I understood the first part (hearing from Jeff) but what is it necessary to have more information from JamesV before you vote?
He's guaranteeing he's scum 100%. What more do you need to know? His role? How he got his information? What it entails?
Yeah, that'd be great information... for the mafia.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mark Mania on Oct 5, 2012 15:18:00 GMT -4
dun dun dunnnnnn
|
|
|
|
Post by President Jeff on Oct 5, 2012 15:29:34 GMT -4
I'd like to hear why James think's I'm not town
|
|
|
|
Post by Level-Two on Oct 5, 2012 15:39:26 GMT -4
I'd like to hear why James think's I'm not town This is not suspect at all. I'm sure your scum QT would love that information too, so you can piece it together and figure an out to discredit, add seeds of doubt, and muddy the waters of your guilt. Anyone on the fence - THIS is what President Jeff has to say in defence of being pegged as 100% guilt. No claims of his innocence, no information on what he REALLY did last night just a question back at the person putting his ass on the line. If your town... all you need to ask yourself is THAT how you'd honestly reply to someone claiming your 100% guilty? |
|
|
|
Post by President Jeff on Oct 5, 2012 15:48:55 GMT -4
Of course that makes me scum doesn't it?
So your gonna takes James word for it without an explanation? I expected better from you L1. I want an explanation from James because I'm town so I'm curious to see how he got that result, especially on day 1.
How about we hear what others have to say before you all jump on a band waggon
|
|
|
|
Post by Arcadia on Oct 5, 2012 15:54:20 GMT -4
Im kind of surprised myself that L-1, who is ALWAYS so gung-ho about info and explantions just jumped on that vote.
|
|
|
|
Post by Level-Two on Oct 5, 2012 15:57:49 GMT -4
Of course that makes me scum doesn't it? So your gonna takes James word for it without an explanation? I expected better from you L1. I want an explanation from James because I'm town so I'm curious to see how he got that result, especially on day 1. How about we hear what others have to say before you all jump on a band waggon Yes, that's exactly what I am doing. You're not thinking logically because you aren't town. Your first statement spoke volumes, Jeff. That comment reeks of smarmy scum. JamesV says he has 100% proof of your guilt – why does he have to tell you of all people the details of it? You tell US, you prove to US how his information couldn't be possibly correct. He achieves nothing by informing you about his role at all. It is irrelevant. This isn't a Lynch or lose situation – thus those details of what role he has or how he got his information to ensure he's correct 100% and not trying to pool wool over our eyes aren't important on day two. Wait for what other people have to say? What - are we one vote away from lynching you? I'm applying pressure because the longer this goes the more time you have to plan an out. Your stalling because it's too early in day two and you need help from your QT buddies. This isn't my first rodeo. |
|
|
|
Post by Level-Two on Oct 5, 2012 16:00:25 GMT -4
Im kind of surprised myself that L-1, who is ALWAYS so gung-ho about info and explantions just jumped on that vote. EWOP JamesV says Jeff is scum 100%; there is no jumping on any vote. I could've held out but what's the point? I WANT to apply pressure quick and early. Your acting like JamesV is unsure or THINKS Jeff is scum. This is not the case. |
|
|
|
Post by Reaver on Oct 5, 2012 16:02:32 GMT -4
u DO have a point but if thats the case then who was recruited? like i said, i wanna hear jeffs rebuttle (sp?) and he didnt quite give us 1.
jeff, u seem to be sinking and i want u to have the chance to deny his claims. i think this is pretty fair
|
|
|
|
Post by Reaver on Oct 5, 2012 16:04:57 GMT -4
ebwop....
damn ur speedy posts :-p
ur still stalling jeff, cmon
|
|
|
|
Post by President Jeff on Oct 5, 2012 16:30:21 GMT -4
I'm not staling anything Knuckles. For all we know, theres a bus driver or even a framer. If you expect me to write a RP post about why I'm not town, then your gonna be waiting for a long time. I'm town, thats all there is to it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Level-Two on Oct 5, 2012 16:38:51 GMT -4
I'm not staling anything Knuckles. For all we know, theres a bus driver or even a framer. If you expect me to write a RP post about why I'm not town, then your gonna be waiting for a long time. I'm town, thats all there is to it. JamesV is a not a noob player. I trust him when he says there's no mistake about his guilt. What that means is that he already looked at the angles on how his information COULD be wrong. Furthermore, the quote above only adds credence to my belief. I will drill this point home all day long. This is how I planned to play the day since I was roleblocked. You and your scum buddies are going to be VERY uncomfortable until you kill me. |
|
|
|
Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 5, 2012 17:09:05 GMT -4
I'm going to believe James, if he was scum and trying for a mislynch, it's too early for a sacrifice especially if the three confirmed scum are all that there is.
That said I want to wait for everyone to check in, we're waiting for AC, Jules, krunk, rebel, Sally and chaos
|
|
|
|
Post by Arcadia on Oct 5, 2012 17:39:38 GMT -4
I feel the same as knuckles, but dont need to wait. It's too early for JamesV to throw himself under the bus to tip the balance. It would be worthless to try.
Vote: President Jeff
|
|
|
|
Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 5, 2012 18:43:25 GMT -4
The fact is, if James is lying, he's assured himself of a lynch on day three. That's an awful big leap to take on day two, and I don't think there's enough reason to doubt what James is saying.
VOTE: President Jeff
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 5, 2012 18:45:26 GMT -4
I'm not staling anything Knuckles. For all we know, theres a bus driver or even a framer. If you expect me to write a RP post about why I'm not town, then your gonna be waiting for a long time. I'm town, thats all there is to it. NO BUS DRIVER OR FRAMER could tamper with my info. I know for a fact, without sanity issues or anything like that to hinder my info, that you are 100% NOT TOWN. I will go so far as to say if Jeff does not come up as scum or thirty party then I will gladly be lynched. I don't mess around with stuff like this. Jeff is not town. As L-O pointed out, I'm not a noob player. I have lots of experience playing mafia and I am giving you a non-town player on a silver platter. Let's get this done. |
|
|
|
Post by President Jeff on Oct 5, 2012 18:51:27 GMT -4
Seriously guys. Are you all noobs?
Theres no way James has any info that I'm scum when I'm town. I'm no expert in this game, but what role could James have that would have him target me as scum. We can rule out him being a cop right, unless he's an insane cop. Your all jumping on a band Waggon here without any proof. For all we know, James is scum and taking a shot in the dark here. What does he have to gain? If he's right, it makes everyone think he town, leading to a scum victory. If he's wrong, then Town loses and extra member and he's distracted the town from searching for scum.
Theres a cop out there, last night, the cop would have investiaged themselves. Any cop out there, Investigate me tonight and you'll see what I really am.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reaver on Oct 5, 2012 19:07:27 GMT -4
Vote: Jeff
the problem is that its already been identified who the cop was and who james's role was. i feel that ur dancing around the fire of questions jeff and james may be right. y would somebody so experienced shoot himself in the foot like this if he wasnt sure KNOWING he would be the next lynch day 3.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reaver on Oct 5, 2012 19:08:33 GMT -4
ebwop...
now that ur more than half way jeff, the only way out is to role claim. ill remove my vote IF and only if, u can prove to me that james's info is wrong.
|
|
|
|
Post by President Jeff on Oct 5, 2012 19:13:58 GMT -4
Theres no rules against Role claiming Knucks, just Character claiming
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 5, 2012 21:02:46 GMT -4
Jeff, I am not a cop and any good cop would've checked their sanity night one. Everyone knows this. Quit rolefishing. You are not town aligned and will come up as such once you are lynched.
|
|
|
|
Post by Chaos Stryke on Oct 5, 2012 21:30:28 GMT -4
I have to say this is a very interesting argument.
I'm a bit more willing to believe the claim here by James just for the fact that if he is wrong he would be lynched the following night. Not the best move for the scum when they are outnumbered.
Unless they have a means of expanding their ranks to make up for the loss... which I think we all suspect given that someone might have gone over to third party on night one.
That is just enough doubt for me to not throw a vote in on this one. Jeff might be telling the truth, but I'm not going to forget that I got burned on this same call last game.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 5, 2012 21:32:37 GMT -4
Stryke, only faction has a means of expanding their ranks and that is cult.
|
|
|
|
Post by Chaos Stryke on Oct 5, 2012 21:57:47 GMT -4
Yeah. And don't we have one of those in play?
May not be mafia, but aren't they just as big of a problem potentially?
They 'kill' the town in their own way too.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 5, 2012 21:59:11 GMT -4
Yeah they do and to me cult is just as dangerous as mafia until the recruiter is eliminated.
|
|
|
|
Post by SalTal on Oct 5, 2012 22:00:15 GMT -4
Checking in, but catching up.
|
|
|
|
Post by Level-Two on Oct 5, 2012 22:17:08 GMT -4
Yeah. And don't we have one of those in play? May not be mafia, but aren't they just as big of a problem potentially? They 'kill' the town in their own way too. Yes Tom Cruise is our biggest that but your alternative is what exactly? We sit here and do nothing, go into the night and lose TWO more players? No thanks. Who's to say President Jeff isn't Tom Cruise anyways? This vote is obvious. My shit list is looking like this right now: Nick Watson (gut is strong with this one) Arcadia Chaos Anyone else who wants to sit on the fence, I'm suspect of as well. I don't care if you vote for - abstaining from voting ENTIRELY? WTF! |
|
|
|
Post by SalTal on Oct 5, 2012 22:25:31 GMT -4
Ok, caught up. From what I see, L1 is furious and JamesV has iron-clad information. Oh ad Callahan is dead, which is a shame because he's a tough player.
I think, at this point, it's dangerous for us to ask anything else of JamesV's 'source of information'. He's got a role that can detect non-town alignment, is not a creative role, and is not the detective. The more experienced players here can figure out what that is. Unfortunately, for the less experienced players it might take some research into the roles - but all that stuff has links in the sign-up thread so head there.
JamesV is too experienced and too good a player to be throwing this out without cause. He knows that people are going to come back at him Day 3 should Jeff turn up town in a lynch. There is so much risk in that that it's not funny. In a different game, he might be able to get away with 'Shucks, I was wrong' on Day 3, but I find it highly unlikely that he'll get away with that in this game purely based on the dynamics of the people playing.
Jeff's defence is ... well, it doesn't really exist. In many other games I've played with Jeff, he's always been much more substantive in his defence and much more pointed in asking for a defence from people he is putting the pressure to. That he has offered no real defence here other than 'Give me another night phase, have the cop investigate me, and you'll see ...' is very scummy considering his previous gameplay. If he is scum, then he is asking for another night to kill someone. If he is third party, he is asking for another night maybe to recruit someone.
If I recall correctly, JamesV said he was sure Jeff is not town, so we're hedging a bet that he's either scum or third party. Both are dangerous to us. If he's not the recruiter, then we still have a problem but at least it's one less removed.
I wouldn't normally be advocating that we take a risk on Day 2 - especially without everyone checking in and everyone sharing their information (which I will do in a minute) - however, this doesn't feel like much of a gamble at all, which is to say that it's really not a gamble. As a results ...
Vote: Jeff
As for the information I've got, I can't say that it's all that helpful with Callahan coming back dead. It gives me a little information, but nothing much at all that no one else couldn't figure out. I mean, I could elaborate more but I'd rather not (on the same basis of JamesV not).
I think my vote puts it past half-way. With a fair few people to check in, can we wait to hammer it just in case someone has something mind-blowing. Level-One and JamesV - I liked your idea of putting on pressure, and now we're past the tipping point. It becomes soon after that and I'd like to give people with information a chance
|
|
|
|
Post by Arcadia on Oct 5, 2012 22:26:02 GMT -4
I'm always on your list  |
|
