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Post by Level-Two on Oct 7, 2012 23:41:54 GMT -4
Hey Nick... They do? Fuck, I'm way behind. Maybe I should have read some more...that is what I get for trying to keep up to speed with this and working hectic hours. Hopefully the doctor protects James tonight because if Jeff does turn up third party then he is the guy we want alive.Funny how you knew what President Jeff's alignment was minutes before he died. Whoops, you must've let that slip... Vote: Nick Watson Your Jeff's first and only recruit. If you aren't his recruit then your mafia (you knew JamesV was telling the truth and thus knew President Jeff was third party because you are a apart of the scum team) This is 100% just like JamesV's info. The only way I change my vote is if someone is sure they caught a scum member. I believe Nick Watson was Jeff's third party recruit but he's no threat and should only be lynched if we have nothing beter to go on. You fuckers are going down, one by one. |
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 7, 2012 23:42:19 GMT -4
Vote: Nick Watson
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Post by T-Marv on Oct 8, 2012 0:21:01 GMT -4
Vote Count:
Krunk - 1(JamesV)
Watson - 1(Level One)
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Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 8, 2012 2:17:27 GMT -4
Unvote
Vote: Nick
I trust Level One and Nick has been fishy this whole game so he was on my radar anyway just for his play the last day phase.
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Post by SalTal on Oct 8, 2012 2:46:06 GMT -4
Ok, been home from work long enough to read Asylum and now get to this. I'm glad I did because now Level-One's had a chance to weigh in. When you're on a hot streak, don't let anyone stop you! I want to keep the pressure on the scum/third party like yesterday. I stepped in then and I'll do it again here. But bear with me, because this is a tad longer than I intended. I want to make sure we do the right thing here. Now, while I'm going to put up a sort of counter-argument, I'll do this first: Vote: Nick WatsonI agree with you saying that if Watson is the other cult member and no one else has anything better then we should lynch Watson. So much so that I'll throw my vote on straight away, and unless consensus changes, it won't go anywhere. Now, I think it's also worth exploring some other scummy herrings at the moment too. I don't want to distract from the real issue (Watson), thus the vote. But as people make up their minds, they should be moving forward with an idea about who to suspect next, right? Stryke. You are the other person I most want to look at this day. I actually want to put the pressure on you more than Watson seeings how Watson is a bit of a neutral threat now and is an easy fallback. Firstly, no one is hounding you for offering a differing opinion. What you're actually getting is a pair of veteran players giving you guaranteed information (as much as information can be guaranteed in this game) and you're turning it up? Yeah JamesV didn't 'out' his information but knowing full well that there was a roleblocker out there (Level-One got to it first) he came out with information, which himself guaranteed: - He'd be role blocked or targeted the most recent night phase, and; - He'd be on the chopping block this day phase. You don't just come out with information that says someone is guaranteed anti-town for kicks. His risk was exponentially bigger than anyone else's involved there. Your generaly support of Watson hasn't helped either. I'm not accusing you of being cult, but I will say I think you're scum trying to keep a cult member in the game. Why? To make you and your scum buddies one closer to a win and to get a town lynched today. This, however, is scummy as hell: As for you thinking I'm not town, you can think what you want. I can't stop you L-1. You didn't even deny that you're not scum. And it puts the blame back on Level-One if he's wrong (which I don't think he is, to be honest). It's just ... slimy. "Oh, you think I'm scum? Well think whatever you want." It doesn't exactly instil any confidence in anyone who might have backed you previously. And then: I don't think you understand what's going on here. I can give a fuck about JamesV's ''word'' - it doesn't make any sense for him to lie. None. Is it impossible? No, just not likely. Blade was able to pull this off one time and use reverse physchology on everyone else to his favor (he was scum) but everyone is aware of that gameplay move now. This exchange with Level-One is exactly what I'm thinking. I'm pretty sure I remember the game Level-One is talking about. And it's not an issue of 'word' or trust, it's logic. Why would he lie? What advantage did it give him to lie? If Jeff turned up green, JamesV was dead the next day. If he was scum, he would have got a green kill but they would have lost a red. No advantage there, and, if anything, a loss because there's so few of them. There was no reason for him to lie and, logically, no reason for you to not believe him. I genuinely think you were trying to sabotage that lynch on Jeff. And here's why: While you might not have known that Jeff was the recruiter, you agreed that he was third party based on JamesV. On that basis, it was a 50/50 shot (on basic stats) that Jeff was the recruiter. But the fact is that his chances of being the recruiter are significantly higher because it is unlikely that someone recruited Jeff and the TMarv gave a non-town reading on Jeff after recruited. The fact that Jeff was caught made the chances significantly higher (I'd put them at the 80% level) that he was not only anti-town but also a recruiter if he was third party. And if he was scum ... well, that never crossed your head because he's not in your group of scum buddies. And it's funny because no where you do say anything about him possibly being scum, do you: There may or may not be a third party involved Unless they have a means of expanding their ranks to make up for the loss May not be mafia, but aren't they just as big of a problem potentially? They 'kill' the town in their own way too. I'm not suggesting any specific alternatives, just that there are other possibilities depending on how devious an opponent we're dealing with. If Jeff comes up non town Not once to you float an alternative that Jeff could be scum. It's a slip on your part because how could he be part of the scum ... if you're scum? And if you have been saying he might be third party and he comes up third party (which was likely to happen given the information and the source) then your posts here will all fit that narrative. By the end of it, you hadn't thrown on a vote for Jeff and guess what? He turns up recruiter. I bet you were kicking yourself. But before he goes, you throw in this scummy remark: Well, offering a differing opinion seems to be grounds for becoming public enemy two or three here, Nick. You're laying the groundwork for a Watson save already. I think you know that Watson is either scum or third party too. Yeah, I think he's been recruited (thus my vote earlier) but he could be your scum buddy too. But no matter what, he's worth keeping because it helps you numbers too! No, you want to turn attention away from Watson to keep him around. Wouldn't it be convenient if you had already tried to do that ... Feel free to correct me on this, but I don't think Rebel checked in at all on the previous day. Classic scum play. You know that Rebel is town. No one else does, but if you're scum you and 2/3 other people know he's town (and you believe that Watson is the remaining third party so you believe that Rebel can only be town). And instead of flat out coming out and accusing him of something, you just, you know, throw that seed out there. Hope it grows. Get in nice and early and not let things against Watson build up or get much momentum. You know that Level-One and JamesV are going to come after him, so why not get in first. Turn the attention on Rebel. If he's absent this day phase too, then he seems as scummy as hell. If he turns up and can't account for it, then he seems somewhat scummy. Either way, you're distracting from the attention given to Watson for a reason. You throw that comment out and then contribute nothing (because you know you need to keep your head down low after the last day phase where you all but vouched for Jeff and he turned up recruiter). Now you're vouching for Watson, and giving him cover. As I said, I am happy to go along with the Watson lynch if we don't have any better. However, I believe that we have a better gamble here. Yeah, Watson is probably the third party recruit or a scum. I say probably ... he is one of those to. JamesV promised 100%, and now Level-One is promising 100%. It would be redundant to accept JamesV and not trust Level-One now. So Watson is a lock for anti-town and someone who has to die soon. But I think that Stryke is scum based on his play so far and this is what I'm throwing out so far. I was hoping to throw this out and see if anyone else can help confirm or deny before really pushing for a lynch ahead of Watson. 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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 3:24:24 GMT -4
Very, very nice Sally. You raised plenty of points I hadn't thought about and only adds to my suspicion to Chaos. Not to mention next to JamesV, I felt strongest about your allegiance with the town so your work is much appreciated.
After Chaos, Arcadia's missile guiding should not be forgotten either. She ''called'' me out and then shortly after jumped on the vote. What's most suspect about her call out however is the fact that she had initially ignored the fact JamesV said he had bulletproof evidence on Jeff and that Jeff denied it; which by reasonable deduction would mean one of them was lying (if not mistaken entirely) - so why would her focus naturally go off onto a third party?
One that just so happened to be targeted for a role block night one, nonetheless?
ALSO
JamesV...
I know your town ; so if you could answer this question without giving anything away, it would be a world of help to me for two reasons. One right now... and one before Nick Watson goes night night.
Nick Watson... flips Mafia or Third Party? Your opinion.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 3:29:14 GMT -4
EWOP
As for applying the pressure, why stop now?
Okay, AC. Since you did not ''get anything useful'' that rules out you being the town doctor; so surely it can't hurt for you to tells us all who you used your role on these last two nights?
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Post by SalTal on Oct 8, 2012 4:29:24 GMT -4
Very, very nice Sally. You raised plenty of points I hadn't thought about and only adds to my suspicion to Chaos. Not to mention next to JamesV, I felt strongest about your allegiance with the town so your work is much appreciated. Tip of the hat to you. And, by the by, AC Smith is the next one my scummy list - he's just given so little to work with. Though that's exactly what gets him high on the list. These constant 'check in' and throw-away contributions so that you know he's in the game but he's not noticeable enough that you suspect him ... |
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Post by T-Marv on Oct 8, 2012 8:29:07 GMT -4
Vote Count:
Watson - 3(Level One, Krunk, Sally)
Deadline 5pm Wednesday EST
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Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 8, 2012 9:17:16 GMT -4
EWOP As for applying the pressure, why stop now? Okay, AC. Since you did not ''get anything useful'' that rules out you being the town doctor; so surely it can't hurt for you to tells us all who you used your role on these last two nights? Myself, and myself. Some good developments overnight; alarm bells were ringing on Watson when the day phase ended. Having said that, why would he say something about protecting James? Seeing what Watson flips as is going to be very interesting, assuming this lynch, one I think is a good one, goes through. VOTE: Nick WatsonPS: Anyone thinking I'm scum is making a HUGE mistake. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them. |
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Post by T-Marv on Oct 8, 2012 9:34:37 GMT -4
Vote Count:
Watson - 4(Level One, Krunk, Sally, ACSmith. )
Deadline 5pm Wednesday EST
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 9:37:19 GMT -4
EWOP As for applying the pressure, why stop now? Okay, AC. Since you did not ''get anything useful'' that rules out you being the town doctor; so surely it can't hurt for you to tells us all who you used your role on these last two nights? Myself, and myself. Some good developments overnight; alarm bells were ringing on Watson when the day phase ended. Having said that, why would he say something about protecting James? Seeing what Watson flips as is going to be very interesting, assuming this lynch, one I think is a good one, goes through. VOTE: Nick WatsonPS: Anyone thinking I'm scum is making a HUGE mistake. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them. 1 - To look like he's looking out for the good of town, pretty obvious. 2 - If he's third party, I think strategically he was hoping the doctor would protect JamesV so they'd cap me and shut me the fuck up. As for you, yeah I do think you might be scum which is why I am pressing you for info. And considering you skirted under my question, your making my suspicions even worse. So you used your role on yourself both nights? What night action in the world would make you use your role on yourself two nights in a row? A cop would only use it on themselves night one and doctors can't self protect twice. You weren't role blocked either night. So what's the deal? Who did you use your role on nights one and two? |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Oct 8, 2012 9:41:30 GMT -4
EWOP As for applying the pressure, why stop now? Okay, AC. Since you did not ''get anything useful'' that rules out you being the town doctor; so surely it can't hurt for you to tells us all who you used your role on these last two nights? Myself, and myself. Some good developments overnight; alarm bells were ringing on Watson when the day phase ended. Having said that, why would he say something about protecting James? Seeing what Watson flips as is going to be very interesting, assuming this lynch, one I think is a good one, goes through. VOTE: Nick WatsonPS: Anyone thinking I'm scum is making a HUGE mistake. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them. I said I'd chime in where possible and here is one of those circumstances. I'm 100% sure Watson isn't scum and we're barking up the wrong tree. I can't character claim but glance over the green list again and look closely, someone should be able to figure it out. I'd like to hear a rebuttal from Stryfe regarding Sally's case...because that was pretty incriminating. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 8, 2012 9:44:38 GMT -4
Myself, and myself. Some good developments overnight; alarm bells were ringing on Watson when the day phase ended. Having said that, why would he say something about protecting James? Seeing what Watson flips as is going to be very interesting, assuming this lynch, one I think is a good one, goes through. VOTE: Nick WatsonPS: Anyone thinking I'm scum is making a HUGE mistake. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them. 1 - To look like he's looking out for the good of town, pretty obvious. 2 - If he's third party, I think strategically he was hoping the doctor would protect JamesV so they'd cap me and shut me the fuck up. As for you, yeah I do think you might be scum which is why I am pressing you for info. And considering you skirted under my question, your making my suspicions even worse. So you used your role on yourself both nights? What night action in the world would make you use your role on yourself two nights in a row? A cop would only use it on themselves night one and doctors can't self protect twice. You weren't role blocked either night. So what's the deal? Who did you use your role on nights one and two? Myself, and myself. I'm telling the truth, and in no way skirted your question. Considering role-claiming isn't against the rules, I can tell you that if you're right in the third-to-last paragraph (and I'm not sure if you are or not; T-Marv would need to answer that), one of my night actions probably should have been disallowed. |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Oct 8, 2012 9:45:16 GMT -4
EWOP As for applying the pressure, why stop now? Okay, AC. Since you did not ''get anything useful'' that rules out you being the town doctor; so surely it can't hurt for you to tells us all who you used your role on these last two nights? Myself, and myself. Some good developments overnight; alarm bells were ringing on Watson when the day phase ended. Having said that, why would he say something about protecting James? Seeing what Watson flips as is going to be very interesting, assuming this lynch, one I think is a good one, goes through. VOTE: Nick WatsonPS: Anyone thinking I'm scum is making a HUGE mistake. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them. Sorry for the double posting but I didn't see this. This is the scummiest sounding post of the entire game...you used your night action on yourself both nights? Come on, that's ridiculous. There isn't a role out there that would have need for you to use on yourself twice. If you're hinting to some kind of protective role, you wouldn't have been allowed to use your ability on yourself twice in a row, or the roles are seriously flawed...and I don't buy that in a TMarv game. If you are some kind of bus-driver, it would have been ridiculous to use on yourself because you weren't a target. This needs developing. |
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 9:45:27 GMT -4
Well I'm 100% sure he is - pending on JamesV's reply to my question. So, I'm interested in how you've come to that conclusion.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 8, 2012 9:50:35 GMT -4
PS: Anyone thinking I'm scum is making a HUGE mistake. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them. Sorry for the double posting but I didn't see this. This is the scummiest sounding post of the entire game...you used your night action on yourself both nights? Come on, that's ridiculous. There isn't a role out there that would have need for you to use on yourself twice. If you're hinting to some kind of protective role, you wouldn't have been allowed to use your ability on yourself twice in a row, or the roles are seriously flawed...and I don't buy that in a TMarv game. If you are some kind of bus-driver, it would have been ridiculous to use on yourself because you weren't a target. This needs developing. [/quote] Refer to my earlier post for clarification on this matter. |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Oct 8, 2012 9:51:00 GMT -4
I said I'd chime in where possible and here is one of those circumstances. I'm 100% sure Watson isn't scum and we're barking up the wrong tree. I can't character claim but glance over the green list again and look closely, someone should be able to figure it out. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 8, 2012 9:51:00 GMT -4
EBWOP
Sorry for the bad coding above.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 9:58:17 GMT -4
Yes, rebel. I get it. The question wasn't meant to be answered as of this moment.
So wait AC... your hinting Doctor? LMFAO! What the actual fuck?
You think your smart, don't you? You hint doctor... try to get someone to soft counter hint so your scum team can come out and kill them?
I don't think for a second your allowed to self protect twice. Tmarv wouldn't make that ''mistake''; if the doctor is allowed to self protect all game it's a complete waste of the role and he should have called you bulletproof instead.
Even if this was all true, very selfish and stupid play. You cannot offer shit to the town with a doctor role used to protect yourself - rather then two targets with power roles your claiming to have left to shit. I don't think a townie would play this way, so it doesn't add up.
Furthermore, your first post hinted your role is informative. So, unless I'm mistaking what you have just said and you never hinted doctor in the first place, I don't understand what's going on here other then your guilt.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 8, 2012 10:01:31 GMT -4
You think your smart, don't you? You hint doctor... try to get someone to soft counter hint so your scum team can come out and kill them? I don't think for a second your allowed to self protect twice. Tmarv wouldn't make that ''mistake''; if the doctor is allowed to self protect all game it's a complete waste of the role and he should have called you bulletproof instead. T-Marv: A ruling? |
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 10:24:32 GMT -4
Speaking of clarification; is this vote count correct?
Last I recall, JamesV voted for Watson - not krunk.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 8, 2012 10:34:42 GMT -4
ALSO JamesV... I know your town ; so if you could answer this question without giving anything away, it would be a world of help to me for two reasons. One right now... and one before Nick Watson goes night night. Nick Watson... flips Mafia or Third Party? Your opinion. My gut tells me that he flips Mafia. Leaning toward AC being out cultist. That's just my opinion on it. I think Krunk is someone we need to look at as well as possibly the actives that were on the Jeff wagon. I think you, Sally, and TJ are town for sure. |
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 10:39:27 GMT -4
Okay thanks, JamesV.
I admit, I'm slightly anxious about this vote now. Only because of Johnny Rebel's information and saying that Nick Watson is 100% town aligned.
Also, the realization that my characters role might be flawed in some way. The more I start to piece together what your role is JamesV, the worse I feel about this vote.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 10:49:13 GMT -4
EWOP
Actually, I have to do this. It just clicked. Sorry for giving you guys the run around but I can't have a townie die on my watch. I prepared this pending on JamesV's answer to my question and it came back the way I thought it would.
I think my role is broken. However, I will still need to be kept alive with JamesV because I might be able to reverse engineer this bitch unless it's complete ass sauce.
Unvote: Nick Watson
Given the fact that Johnny Rebel has ensured Nick is town aligned and the fact I now have SERIOUS doubts of my role even being useful in any capacity, I have to think logically and not emotionally and remove my vote here.
You see, I thought JamesV was the watcher and watched President Jeff. However, if he did he would have known Nick Watson was Jeff's recruit. When I thought about it though, I realized he never came out and pushed a lynch on Nick Watson today which was odd. If he watched Jeff in ANY capacity, he would have that second recruit as well.
He doesn't because that's not his role. I still don't know what his role is.
Furthermore, if Johnny Rebel is lying in this scenario if Nick Watson flipped, he'd be questioned and receive hell from the town. Considering, it looks like Nick was being lynched I don't see why he'd bother – especially since I thought Nick Watson was President Jeff's recruit to begin with.
Mind you, there are only three mafia and if Nick is mafia they're probably REALLY desperate to do anything to keep their numbers... I just don't think that's likely.
And then when I factor in my character and my characters power the more I realize the possibility my entire character role is flawed. However, I do still need one more night to test this theory... and I know how the town can assure that can happen and I'll touch on it shortly.
For now though... how about.
Vote: Chaos Stryke
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 11:01:05 GMT -4
EWOP
Correction, I thought he was a journalist not watcher. I think I am starting to piece together his role the more I think about it but it doesn't help me at all in adding any credibility to my own.
The best lynch today is between Chaos and AC Smith. I think Sally did a great job picking apart Chaos but we seemed to have caught AC Smith overplaying as well.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Oct 8, 2012 11:07:20 GMT -4
The best lynch today is between Chaos and AC Smith. I think Sally did a great job picking apart Chaos but we seemed to have caught AC Smith overplaying as well. Given the confusion that's ensued about me telling the truth about my night action (hell, I pretty much out-and-out claimed my role, too), I won't say anything further until T-Marv issues some ruling about what happened/should have happened the first two nights. For now, I will say that in no message received before the game started does it say that I can only use my night action on myself once, nor does anything say I can't use it on myself on back-to-back nights if I'm so inclined. If my role needs to be changed for the good of the game, I'm OK with that. At any rate, rest assured that I've been telling the truth this whole time. And that's all I have to say until we get a visit/ruling from our mod. |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Oct 8, 2012 11:34:56 GMT -4
Well, for anyone hoping for a glorious rebuttal or a plea from me for you to not lynch me, you're simply not going to get one. My claiming of my role or alignment does nothing for my position here.
I had not realized that I had dug myself such a deep hole with my comments. So I will not resume digging by either A) attempting to defend myself with claims that I cannot possibly back up, which I believe would be dismissed as trying to save my own backside or B) seemingly reversing my position and begging off that this was all some sort of mistake or misunderstanding, because everyone will clearly assume that I'm just trying to save my own backside.
So, I'll just say this and save some time, Lynch me and let my death reveal my true standing in this game to all of you. I could add something about the rest of you wasting your time lynching a town member, but that is tired and overdone. It clearly didn't save Jeff and it won't save me.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 11:40:11 GMT -4
Wow, pretty defensive aye? It didn't save Jeff because Jeff was scum, lol. I was about to add in my next post that we should review Sally's post because a lot of it was from you backing up Watson and as a result of me recanting my claims; she may want to sit down and give it another think over.
Furthermore, I thought we could also looking into Krunk and Arcadia deeper as well.
However, you tapping out this quick sounds like you know your guilty and it's too stressful to defend yourself because just like Jeff, you cant.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 8, 2012 11:46:47 GMT -4
EWOP
Oh, while we're at it! Same question as AC. If AC is telling the truth then it sorta backfired but at this point considering the circumstances but why don't we all gut the fuck up and get a little dirt on our hands while we're at it?
Who did you use YOUR night action on the past two night phases? Go.
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They do? Fuck, I'm way behind. Maybe I should have read some more...that is what I get for trying to keep up to speed with this and working hectic hours. Hopefully the doctor protects James tonight because if Jeff does turn up third party then he is the guy we want alive.
