NFL Thread

[Johnny Rebel]

I think I've officially hit my boiling point as a Redskins fan. I'm prepared to turn in my fan-card after another abysmal performance. I can only handle so much!

[The Soul Of Philly]

Ill trade you.

[Jason Cashe]

Hahaha @ you both....

On a side note, I do like RG3 Much more right now. In losing he gains composure and REAL experience. It's not in Victory you find who you are, it's in losing you bloom like a butterfly and show your colors. I think he'll gain so much from this time. He needs a receiver BADLY.

-TJ-: New Head Coach, New QB and you might be able to pick it up next Season! Draft pick will be alright though, that's a plus!

[The Soul Of Philly]

Yea apparently Sean Payton's contract got voided by the nfl and he's a free agent coach at the end of the season and hopefully Reid will be fired by then.

I don't mind Vick if he had an oline in front of him I mean when he gets time he's alright (see vs giants and vs falcons) the defense is scaring me

In general I think the players aren't playing for Reid anymore. And Reid not a bad guy or a bad coach it's just time to go somewhere else. I'd rather get the team out of the hands of Jeffery lurie, the owner, he so disinterested most of the time.

[Metrodamus]

You're joking if you think Payton's going to leave New Orleans and head to Philly. He's either staying in New Orleans out of loyalty or Jerry Jones is backing a dump truck full of money into his front yard.

If I was Philly the first call I'm making is to Oregon for Chip Kelly ... then to Mike Holmgren to just coach and let someone else run the Player Personnel side.

[Jason Cashe]

I like Chip Kelly for the job. He's done a tremendous job in Oregon. I also disagree that Payton would go to Philly. Like Hart said, he's going to Dallas if not remaining with New Orleans. He's working for the Hornets right now because the same guy owns both New Orlean teams. He's staying in New Orleans.

[Metrodamus]

Nov 4, 2012 17:38:04 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

I like Chip Kelly for the job. He's done a tremendous job in Oregon.

I'm just thinking about it and you look at the weapons Oregon's utilized over the past three years and how it'd fit in Philadelphia. Vick, Shady, Jackson, Maclin ... it just fits perfectly. I know some people will say it won't work in the NFL but I think New England has proven that it will (with a slightly different personnel grouping albeit).

[Azrael Goeren]

I'm a Bills fan.

After (what is soon to be) the 13th year of missing the playoffs, I've grown to just be apathetic during the season. I still watch every game, I still get SO excited every offseason and every draft...and then the season rolls around and the cold, hard pimp hand of fate slaps me down.

And normally I would have hockey to distract me...but oh no, not this year. I get to savor every failure this year.

Oh well. At least I have all of these Superbowl trophies to fall back on and remember fondly.

*hangs head and wipes a solitary tear away from face*

[Metrodamus]

Nov 4, 2012 18:21:22 GMT -4 Azrael Goeren said:

I'm a Bills fan.

After (what is soon to be) the 13th year of missing the playoffs, I've grown to just be apathetic during the season. I still watch every game, I still get SO excited every offseason and every draft...and then the season rolls around and the cold, hard pimp hand of fate slaps me down.

And normally I would have hockey to distract me...but oh no, not this year. I get to savor every failure this year.

Oh well. At least I have all of these Superbowl trophies to fall back on and remember fondly.

*hangs head and wipes a solitary tear away from face*

So what you're saying is if I title my role play "Wide Right" it's an automatic victory.

[Azrael Goeren]

Nov 4, 2012 18:37:49 GMT -4 Metrodamus said:

Nov 4, 2012 18:21:22 GMT -4 Azrael Goeren said:

I'm a Bills fan.

After (what is soon to be) the 13th year of missing the playoffs, I've grown to just be apathetic during the season. I still watch every game, I still get SO excited every offseason and every draft...and then the season rolls around and the cold, hard pimp hand of fate slaps me down.

And normally I would have hockey to distract me...but oh no, not this year. I get to savor every failure this year.

Oh well. At least I have all of these Superbowl trophies to fall back on and remember fondly.

*hangs head and wipes a solitary tear away from face*

So what you're saying is if I title my role play "Wide Right" it's an automatic victory.

I'll be one sad (yet totally amused) panda.

I still can't watch that clip without cringing every time that kick misses. I can ALMOST watch the Music City Miracle without throwing my fist through the wall...but that kick? I'll never be able to watch it without some sort of violent reaction.

[Metrodamus]

... this gives me an idea!

[Jason Cashe]

Goeren, I'm sorry for today man. (Texans fan) And I'm not just sorry for the loss today but also Mario Williams. He use to be good, I swear!

[Metrodamus]

Mario's hurt. He was ALWAYS a handsy pass rush (one or the more impressive rip moves in the league) but he can't do it with his hand in a cast because of that wrist. Once he gets healthy he'll be back to double digit sacks.

[Jason Cashe]

Mmmm...He hasn't been healthy in like 3 Seasons in a row now. Maybe 4? He can't stay healthy and was never at any point worth 100 mill. Not too many are in actuality but he isn't close to that worth. Nor has he performed to that level in like 4 years.

[Azrael Goeren]

Mario does have 5 sacks on the year...even if he keeps going at this rate, he'll more than likely get double digits. I've got no beef with Mario's play so far, in fact he's one of the few Bills who actually plays like he gives a crap.

He's not the problem in Buffalo. Defensive schemes, piss-poor offensive playcalling, lack of franchise QB, zero good LBs and incredibly young CBs are the biggest problems.

Unfortunately for my Bills, they always seem to get stuck drafting in no-man's land. They arent bad enough to get a Top 5 slamdunk pick usually, but they aren't good enough to be in the playoffs. So they perpetually pick in that 9-15 zone where its a crap shoot and they always seem to miss.

EDIT: I just checked who the Bills play next week.

New England.

At New England.

After they're coming off a bye.

Kill me...

[James Stall]

The important thing about the redskins' loss today is it means that Mitt Romney will be president.

[Jason Cashe]

I think the Bills draft a QB, easy. It's not as important as maybe an O-Line so maybe they can get a young backup from someone. I'd give you TJ Yates but no, I'm not gonna do that. New England has a nice young backup, Philly has one they clearly don't have any faith in. Seattle could get rid of Matt Flynn now that Wilson showed up out of nowhere. There are options and the Bill spent so much on their defensive line that maybe they should have balanced a bit. Still one of my more liked teams in the league. I am a huge Fred Jackson fan and Stevie Johnson is so underrated...

[The Soul Of Philly]

See kash you think we have no faith in our rookie qb yet it's the fact we still are in it this year and if you put a pocket passer behind that line he's not making it past the second quarter

[Speede]

Nov 4, 2012 21:31:48 GMT -4 James Stall said:

The important thing about the redskins' loss today is it means that Mitt Romney will be president.

Dammit!


And by that I mean, at least the Steelers won... In the Meadowlands...

WOOO!

[Metrodamus]

You had decent backers though Az. I'm a big fan of Pos, and guys like Takeo Spikes etc. were solid players. The issue becomes having too many dollars at the wrong positions. As good as Spiller and F-Jax are there's too much money in them, Fitzpatrick is over paid. I believe they've still got cap hits on guys like Lee Evans etc. for cutting them w/ guaranteed money leftover.

It also sucks having to be in a division with the perennial 12-4 Pats.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Mark it down two years from now the pats will be in the middle of their second losing season.

[Metrodamus]

Nov 4, 2012 23:48:52 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Mark it down two years from now the pats will be in the middle of their second losing season.

You're full of shit. This will sound very 'homerish' but there's a ton of young talent on this team. Edelman will step in and be Wes Welker, the running game has shown this year that it can be formidable and the team is moving more in that direction with young backs like Ridley, Bolden and Vereen. Woodhead plays the Kevin Faulk role excellently and the defense is young (Spikes, Jones, Hightower, Mayo, Chung). Yes Willfork is getting long in the tooth but there's some talent on the front end in the system and this years draft is loaded in front four players.

Also Brady is around for a couple more years but beyond that I'm bullish on Ryan Mallett. People forget how highly rated he was A) coming out of high school and B) before he got hurt. He was ranked ahead of Bradford in his redshirt sophomore year, ahead of guys like Ponder and Locker his junior year, and really had very little talent at Arkansas around him against the best defenses in the nation and still had great stats. He fell in the draft because of attitude problems and The Hoodie has great success with players like that. Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Aaron Hernandez. I'm not expecting Mallet to be Brady, no one is, but the guy has talent and the system around him is going to lead to a lot of success.

Not only that but because of the system you see veterans coming aboard every year trying to win a title which gives us affordable talent. Lloyd took a below market deal, Andre Carter last year, the late Junior Seau before that. The culture of the Patriots is a lot like the Steelers and that's why these teams don't have successive bad years.

Really the only way this Pats team falls apart is if Belichick decides enough is enough and leaves and they hire some fuckhead like McDaniels to run the operation but the Kraft family is too smart to do that. It really wouldn't surprise me if Belichick walked away in a year or two and the new Patriots coach was Nick Saban giving the NFL another go.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Yea but for every Dillion Hernandez and moss there's haynesworth ocho cinco and moss

People forget he started making trouble when shit wasn't going his way in the offense an they shipped him to Minnesota for a 4th round pick I believe. He gets his use of them, if any but it's my guaranteed. I mean gronk is gronk and you know hoodie hates gronk off the field antics

The reason I say back to back seasons is I believe they face the AFC north and NFC south next year and the NFC north the following year along with the AFC south which by then will be tougher. Add in a better Miami team and its going to be tough, especially if that secondary continues to get beat like a 50s housewife

[Metrodamus]

Nov 5, 2012 0:21:10 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Yea but for every Dillion Hernandez and moss there's haynesworth ocho cinco and moss

People forget he started making trouble when shit wasn't going his way in the offense an they shipped him to Minnesota for a 4th round pick I believe. He gets his use of them, if any but it's my guaranteed. I mean gronk is gronk and you know hoodie hates gronk off the field antics

The reason I say back to back seasons is I believe they face the AFC north and NFC south next year and the NFC north the following year along with the AFC south which by then will be tougher. Add in a better Miami team and its going to be tough, especially if that secondary continues to get beat like a 50s housewife

The thing is New England wins their division every year so plays the division winners all the time anyways and still do well so using a strength of schedule argument is a fallacy thusly.

Assuming your argument holds though you're forgetting that each of those divisions has question marks (New Orleans' defense, Tampa Bay, Carolina with major personnel changes, ... THE CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!) that while may not leave a 12-4 season with a bye, you're still looking at a team that goes 10-6 which should win the division because Miami has to play the same teams as well. It's not necessarily the best way to reach the Super Bowl (having to likely win two road games) but it's not losing records.

[biggs]

Just popping in to say Go Niners! next week, since they had a bye this week.

[Jason Cashe]

Here is an off question. Give you answer and why it makes the most sense, cool? Which team should move to LA if any? Or should LA get an Expansion team along with maybe Toronto. I've always believed we should share and play all Major Sports with Canada. North America.

I think Jacksonville is the best fit. New owner, still rebuilding. LA gives them an instant fan base regardless of their play and a stadium in one of the, if not the largest market in the US. Send Jacksonville to the NFC West and bring Arizona to the AFC South. Almost a Conference Trade. I like this but know there are plenty of ways it will go down and it's said to be CERTAIN it will go down, LA Will have an NFL Team.

[The Soul Of Philly]

U know Jacksonville is in the AFC right

I'd move the jags only team with no history other than blacking out any week they're not on mnf. Switch em with the chiefs.

[Mark Mania]

There is no chance in hell the pats are in their second losing season. You can make your claim about Ochocinco and Haynesworth but, uh, the Pats were in the Super Bowl just last year. If Talib causes problems, Belicheck will kick him to the curb faster than a john caught by his wife throws a street walker.

The Pats system is based around Brady and Belicheck no one can come in a disrupt that. Best case scenario, Talib shuts his mouth and turns into Rodney Harrison. Worst case scenario he pisses some people off and he's on the unemployment line. Pats will win the division this year and next.

[Azrael Goeren]

Nov 5, 2012 6:30:45 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

Here is an off question. Give you answer and why it makes the most sense, cool? Which team should move to LA if any? Or should LA get an Expansion team along with maybe Toronto. I've always believed we should share and play all Major Sports with Canada. North America.

I think Jacksonville is the best fit. New owner, still rebuilding. LA gives them an instant fan base regardless of their play and a stadium in one of the, if not the largest market in the US. Send Jacksonville to the NFC West and bring Arizona to the AFC South. Almost a Conference Trade. I like this but know there are plenty of ways it will go down and it's said to be CERTAIN it will go down, LA Will have an NFL Team.

Good question. I feel like an overlooked choice is the St. Louis Rams. To begin with, they were LA's team for a long time before they upped and moved to St. Louis so there is history there. Second, St. Louis' stadium deal is in complete shambles and they've been complaining for the last couple of years about the waning support.

I would say St. Louis is a good bet, as well as San Diego. The Chargers and their fanbase tends to frustrate me. They really struggle to fill the stadium for a team thats (mostly) been decent over the last 9 years. Compare that with the Browns who have been God-awful and yet constantly sell out. The move from San Diego to LA isn't too bad for the true Charger fans so that could also be an option.

Also, speaking as a Bills fan, I feel like they are a very strong possibility to move as well. Their lease in Buffalo is almost up and their stadium is falling apart. Combine that with the small markey syndrome and it seems likely they'll be moving soon. The only thing they have going for them is their fanbase, and thats not enough to keep a team in the NFL these days. If they don't move to LA, I would expect them to be in Toronto by the time the decade is out.

[Johnny Rebel]

Nov 5, 2012 10:41:26 GMT -4 Azrael Goeren said:

Nov 5, 2012 6:30:45 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

Here is an off question. Give you answer and why it makes the most sense, cool? Which team should move to LA if any? Or should LA get an Expansion team along with maybe Toronto. I've always believed we should share and play all Major Sports with Canada. North America.

I think Jacksonville is the best fit. New owner, still rebuilding. LA gives them an instant fan base regardless of their play and a stadium in one of the, if not the largest market in the US. Send Jacksonville to the NFC West and bring Arizona to the AFC South. Almost a Conference Trade. I like this but know there are plenty of ways it will go down and it's said to be CERTAIN it will go down, LA Will have an NFL Team.

Good question. I feel like an overlooked choice is the St. Louis Rams. To begin with, they were LA's team for a long time before they upped and moved to St. Louis so there is history there. Second, St. Louis' stadium deal is in complete shambles and they've been complaining for the last couple of years about the waning support.

I would say St. Louis is a good bet, as well as San Diego. The Chargers and their fanbase tends to frustrate me. They really struggle to fill the stadium for a team thats (mostly) been decent over the last 9 years. Compare that with the Browns who have been God-awful and yet constantly sell out. The move from San Diego to LA isn't too bad for the true Charger fans so that could also be an option.

Also, speaking as a Bills fan, I feel like they are a very strong possibility to move as well. Their lease in Buffalo is almost up and their stadium is falling apart. Combine that with the small markey syndrome and it seems likely they'll be moving soon. The only thing they have going for them is their fanbase, and thats not enough to keep a team in the NFL these days. If they don't move to LA, I would expect them to be in Toronto by the time the decade is out.

I agree with St. Louis. Even in the days when they were winning championships - they had a hard time filling their stadium... couple that with a poor market and L.A. looks more and more appealing by the hour.

Jeff Fisher is going to have them competitive again very soon, and they have a bevy of first round picks over the next few years to stock the cupboard.