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Post by SalTal on Dec 17, 2012 6:18:09 GMT -4
Statistically speaking, we're more than likely to hit a townie at a guessing lynch. Very likely.
The scum must have a 'veteran' of the game running things. Given the levels of experience/gameplay out there, it should be easy for people to narrow that down themselves. I mean, they have managed to kill off two pretty good players without drawing attention, while letting all these arguments fester.
If we take the write-up as 'relevant' to the day phase so far, it would suggest that TMarv and Jules are town. We would then have to figure out if the scum who are laughing it up are sitting back, not doing anything, or are (again) the people instigating these moves on Jules and TMarv: You (KJE) and Level-One.
Still can't resolve what to do. I'm more tempted now to go back to TMarv just for the sake of it.
In fact, unless someone comes up with a better approach for the town, that's what I'll do when people come and check the latest developments.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 17, 2012 9:43:10 GMT -4
Bullshit! It does have room in the game if you misrepresent yourself. And if It could be used to out a LIAR... then I say it's fair game. Fair enough. But why come out swinging for the fences, if Jeff has already cleared me? Before I unvote, I'd like a logical explanation for throwing me under the bus, bro. Logical Explanation? Already been given dude. I saw that you lied about something, and I called you out on it. Anytime you throw something inacurate out there in this game, it's cause to be noted. As for Jeff clearing you, sorry but I don't believe that 100%. 1. Jeff could be wrong, it's happened before when somebody was cleared before. He could have been given wrong information, or you could have a role that reads as "innocent." The fact remains that Jeff has ONLY cleared you so his info is a bit suspect. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 17, 2012 9:45:09 GMT -4
Statistically speaking, we're more than likely to hit a townie at a guessing lynch. Very likely. The scum must have a 'veteran' of the game running things. Given the levels of experience/gameplay out there, it should be easy for people to narrow that down themselves. I mean, they have managed to kill off two pretty good players without drawing attention, while letting all these arguments fester. If we take the write-up as 'relevant' to the day phase so far, it would suggest that TMarv and Jules are town. We would then have to figure out if the scum who are laughing it up are sitting back, not doing anything, or are (again) the people instigating these moves on Jules and TMarv: You (KJE) and Level-One. Still can't resolve what to do. I'm more tempted now to go back to TMarv just for the sake of it. In fact, unless someone comes up with a better approach for the town, that's what I'll do when people come and check the latest developments. As I've stated before, I'm not gonna fight a lynch and will in fact even be in on it...... AS LONG AS IT'S THE BEST THING FOR THE TOWN. If clearing my name through lynch accomplishes something then go for it... if not, then let's go another route. I just don't want my lynch to be for nothing and leave the town more confused after the fact. |
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 17, 2012 10:04:18 GMT -4
Sorry Sally - there was zero instigating from either of us. In fact, regardless of alignment both Terry Marvin and Jules started on us. Go back to page 11. I made one post, didn't vote nor push any lynch of any sort at all. And Terry Marvin starts off saying it feels like this is a L1 run mafia prefaced by the fact the godfather would flip town. A direct shot as I was checked out already. He said he wasn't trying to ''accuse'' me but that's exactly what he was doing.
Whether he was doing it with evil intentions would be up to one's perception but my point is, it happened.
As for Jules.
He can't see why I took this as an attack. But in short, I thought and still think Kaylyn is an obvious pro town player and attacking the only one of two people providing info is bad form. If she was scum - claiming Lie Detector night two would be a unnecessary risk - you're assuming nobody else has that role in a 19 person game BASED ON SUPERHEROES. It's far out.
Secondly, Jules - as of this post - was looking like the scummiest player. So, I see a scummy player attacking a pro town one...
Third he says he wasn't pointing any fingers at me but he clearly does. Point in case, he singles me out in this post. Kaylyn had said more then once prior that she also cleared Roy Speede. So, I get singled out and 'cleared' in quotes (in addition to Terry Marvin's more direct accusation that followed) and now the narrative is that I instigated everything with Terry Marvin and Jules.
Never happened. At this point, my vote stays where it is until something better comes about. The write up is HIGHLY SUSPECT and does lead credence to Terry Marvin's innocence but to play devils advocate here - how more obvious about it could you be if that is the case?
The longer this goes on the more I'm certain the four of us are town anyways and we're going in fucking circles. So, maybe the best course of action is to unvote Terry and just sort this shit over the night phase and hopefully nail us some scum the next day. Though, I am going to allow others the time to weigh in before I commit to anything more. All I can say is, welcome to Mafia guys it's hard work so pack a lunch!
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Post by KJE on Dec 17, 2012 12:56:28 GMT -4
I unvoted. I believe that we are getting no where and while I hate no lynches.. seeing as though 2 people have not spoke up at all and they will probably be modkilled... yeah I don't want to risk any town players getting killed off.
No lynch and its staying that way unless some facts come out and seeing how this game has been thus far.. i doubt that will happen
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 17, 2012 13:07:41 GMT -4
I'm with KJE. Unless better evidence comes up, losing 3 town instead of potentially 2 is a bad deal.
I believe I already unvoted, but just to make sure...
Unvote
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Post by Lord Raab on Dec 17, 2012 13:47:23 GMT -4
I don't have any information to give you guys at all since I have no idea how to play this game nor the role that I got is that good either. I can say that the Mafia laughing at the town on arguing with one another doesn't sound good.
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Post by KJE on Dec 17, 2012 14:44:27 GMT -4
The game isn't that hard... more so if you look at past games and just follow along.
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Post by SalTal on Dec 17, 2012 15:22:17 GMT -4
It seems no lynch is happening. Ok. I think KJE should target something pertaining to the Jeff/Finnish clearing this night and then report back what she finds. Whether she targets jeffs statement where he cleared Finnish or one thing Finnish said, it will clear or invite a lynch on those two the next day.
I think then that others might want to target a quiet player: JamesV is one hell of a player and is only throwing in sporadic things, Rebel is bandwagoning, and Mania really only starts bills rolling. AC is playing what looks like a supporting role to people's arguments too.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 17, 2012 15:35:37 GMT -4
I think then that others might want to target a quiet player: JamesV is one hell of a player and is only throwing in sporadic things, Rebel is bandwagoning, and Mania really only starts bills rolling. AC is playing what looks like a supporting role to people's arguments too. Again, as a clarification, I was one of the most vocal people on a Jules lynch, and to be quite honest, I still am. When nobody else wanted to do anything in the previous day phase, I stuck a vote on Jules for behaviors that I was the first one to point out. I said I was going to be voting for him each day phase until concrete evidence on someone else came out, and that's what I've been doing and what I will continue to do. Why this is being perceived as bandwagoning, I'll never, ever know, because my behavior's been the exact opposite of that. Is it bad play if Jules isn't scum? Absolutely. But alarms are still going off in my head that he's anti-town, and I will continue to act upon those instincts (which were mine and NOT stolen from anyone else) until better information comes along. |
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Post by SalTal on Dec 17, 2012 15:48:36 GMT -4
I think then that others might want to target a quiet player: JamesV is one hell of a player and is only throwing in sporadic things, Rebel is bandwagoning, and Mania really only starts bills rolling. AC is playing what looks like a supporting role to people's arguments too. Again, as a clarification, I was one of the most vocal people on a Jules lynch, and to be quite honest, I still am. When nobody else wanted to do anything in the previous day phase, I stuck a vote on Jules for behaviors that I was the first one to point out. I said I was going to be voting for him each day phase until concrete evidence on someone else came out, and that's what I've been doing and what I will continue to do. Why this is being perceived as bandwagoning, I'll never, ever know, because my behavior's been the exact opposite of that. Is it bad play if Jules isn't scum? Absolutely. But alarms are still going off in my head that he's anti-town, and I will continue to act upon those instincts (which were mine and NOT stolen from anyone else) until better information comes along. Fair enough. I accept that you were first on a Jules vote. I was largely thinking of this day phase where you played a supporting role on the KJE/L1-led lunch on Zjules. But supporting that would make logical sense as you were there before both of them. Perhaps it's that you were less vocal this day as opposed to the last that got my attention. |
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 17, 2012 17:58:26 GMT -4
KJE, if you are a lie detector, don't waste a night action on me since its a matter of time before scum kills me
As for my role last night, Sally is town
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 17, 2012 18:14:49 GMT -4
unvote
Watcher: Keep you eye on KJE in case she gets roleblocked again, or on Jeff Since I'm pretty sure he'll be a target.
Cop: Lots of ways you could go here. You could look at KJE and in turn clear up to 4 people (KJE, LEVEL ONE, Speede, and whoever she checks tonight) or you could go after somebody completely different and assume KJE is telling the truth.
Scenarios:
If KJE is telling the truth about Lie Detector
1. KJE
2. Level One
3. Speede
From Jeff, the following are cleared(unless they're Godfather)
1. Jeff
2. Valo
3. Sally
Which leaves everyone else as a possibility.
If KJE is telling the truth, then Jules is suspect. If jules is cleared, then I've got a big problem with Gooch.
Yarmouth is likely to be mod killed.
AC smith is playing a wierd game which leads me to believe he's town.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 17, 2012 18:17:04 GMT -4
Also Checking LEvel one (as a Cop) would be a great idea as well. THat way we know KJE is telling the truth AND that he wasn't recruited night one...clears multiple people if he's town via KJE.
I'm also thinking the watcher should look at Jeff. Just a hunch!
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Post by Jules on Dec 17, 2012 18:43:06 GMT -4
Whoever the cop is, target me. This isn't about me, I'll hopefully be able to do achieve two things for the town by doing this.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 17, 2012 18:51:15 GMT -4
Unvote: Terry Marvin
I think it's safe to say we're over the mud slinging and the emotions, at least for now. Let's keep it moving.
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Post by Speede on Dec 17, 2012 18:58:36 GMT -4
unvote: TMarv
This is just ridiculous, and right now, I'm confused as heck. I'm just going to let the rest of this day phase slide and see what happens tonight.
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Post by KJE on Dec 17, 2012 19:17:15 GMT -4
We asked the watcher to keep an eye on me last night so that they would know if anyone came my way etc but no one stepped up so either they are just sitting back doing nothing and wasting time, because they would know who blocked me... or they didn't watch me which was kinda stupid (no offense!) on their part. If there is a watcher... the best bet is Jeff or myself so that we can see what is going on here.
Sally, without outing everything about my role I can not answer what you said about me checking Jeff's statement from day 3 where he said Phenom was town. I will search to see if he said it within today results and I could go from there.
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Post by Lord Raab on Dec 17, 2012 19:53:10 GMT -4
Yeah I have noticed that JamesV is quite quiet on this game along with Yarmouth as well. Where Yarmouth is I don't know but I do hope that he posts something on here. Sorry that I didn't before but really I don't have any info to give that's why I was quiet. If I did I would've spoken up a lot sooner.
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Post by SalTal on Dec 17, 2012 21:50:47 GMT -4
Completely understand KJE. If Jeff could reclarify Phenom's status again, that would be helpful.
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 17, 2012 22:17:34 GMT -4
Completely understand KJE. If Jeff could reclarify Phenom's status again, that would be helpful. Phenom is town and Sally is town, thats all I know |
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 17, 2012 22:31:28 GMT -4
Unvote: T-Marv
Now, back to Gooch. I've read EVERYTHING over again, and I can't help but notice how you "piggyback" EVERYTHING. Style of play taken into account, I still can't help but wonder if this is a scum move.
Everybody do me a favor, go back, read everything Gooch has done, then tell me...
...Does all of this seem normal to anybody? Or is it just his lack of experience? I'm split, and still have a hunch that he's scum. His play is just too "yeah, what he said", and it seems like he might have a mafia member coaching him. I could be wrong, but I really don't think I am.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 17, 2012 23:02:32 GMT -4
Unvote: T-MarvNow, back to Gooch. I've read EVERYTHING over again, and I can't help but notice how you "piggyback" EVERYTHING. Style of play taken into account, I still can't help but wonder if this is a scum move. Everybody do me a favor, go back, read everything Gooch has done, then tell me... ...Does all of this seem normal to anybody? Or is it just his lack of experience? I'm split, and still have a hunch that he's scum. His play is just too "yeah, what he said", and it seems like he might have a mafia member coaching him. I could be wrong, but I really don't think I am. I read it as lack of experiance. Also, here is what I'm thinking as far as mafia goes... One inexperienced scum... one semi experienced scum, and one VERY experienced player as scum. Just a hunch. BY THE WAY!!!! BE WARNED SCUM.... If you Recruit me (cause it seems that I have a role that can be recruited based on who my character is), I don't give a fuck if it fucks your game up... I will expose you right before Character claiming and getting myself mod killed. And I will do this cause I'm fucking frustrated as hell with this game  |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 17, 2012 23:27:31 GMT -4
Phenom, you can keep trying to lead the charge to have people vote for me, and they can, but you'll be losing a town member. I'm 100% town. I wish I had proof or someone could clear me, but I assure everyone that I'm town. If you guys vote me off, that's fine, I'll pull a KJE and say if you vote me off it will just prove I'm town and narrow down who is scum. Lynch me if it opens the door for finding scum, I still win if town wins.
Past that, I don't know what to say. I'm town.
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Post by Lord Raab on Dec 17, 2012 23:33:41 GMT -4
Not to forget that someone on here could be a Third Party member as well as I am sure that there is at least one of those around or I could be wrong.
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Post by Mark Mania on Dec 17, 2012 23:42:11 GMT -4
From the write ups it doesn't look like any 3rd party is in the game.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 17, 2012 23:42:27 GMT -4
Not to forget that someone on here could be a Third Party member as well as I am sure that there is at least one of those around or I could be wrong. It's always possible... Though there hasn't been one in the write up to now so it's highly unlikely... |
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Post by KJE on Dec 18, 2012 0:30:27 GMT -4
but its highly suspicious from someone who doesnt know the game to bring such up...
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Post by SalTal on Dec 18, 2012 1:02:01 GMT -4
There would have to be a bloody good reason for us to not have seen anything from a third party. They will have done nothing for the past 3 nights, and no write-up inclusion too. I would say with as much certainty that this game delivers that there is no third party. As for the recent action ... The fact that Jeff is willing to get called on his declarative statement: Completely understand KJE. If Jeff could reclarify Phenom's status again, that would be helpful. Phenom is town and Sally is town, thats all I know Means that he’s willing to be lie-detected. I know I’m town, so that gives us at least a degree that Jeff’s information is legitimate to the extent that Phenom may only be the Godfather if he is scum. To this extent, I’d be prepared to believe that Phenom is town (for the time being). Which also leaves us that Jeff is town. The problem I have with this is that Jeff and Phenom could simply be working together. And then throwing in that I’m town (a very late claim, by the way), it’s not a hard thing to do. I don’t want to let them completely off the hook, but for the sake of getting something done today, let’s take that information as truth (if only because it’s the only other trickle of information). And let’s take KJE’s informations as truthful enough, because it’s the most reliable source. That divides the list of current players: 1. President Jeff Finnish Phenom Sally 4. L1 5. KJE 6. Finnish Phenom 7. Speede Of course, that’s hardly going to be definitive or exclusive (as there needs to be more, for the sake of numbers). But let’s at least base a semi-rational/gamble on this. Seven is ok. Which means if we are going to take a stab in the dark, we should be stabbing at any of these: Yarmouth Mark Mania Stefan Raab 4. AC Smith JamesV Buckson Gooch T-Marv Crown Jules Rebel Given that there are 9 left, at least 3 of them are going to be scum. I think there’s 4, personally - that the recruit made up a fourth and we haven’t seen/heard of another from the start. I have nothing to base that on other than numbers in the game: Scum starting as 2 in a game of, what?, 19 people? It seems too low. Otherwise, there would be a third party. But there is no evidence for a third party, so I go with 4 after the recruit. I’d also like to point out that the scum might operate under a kill/recruit night option, and that maybe no roleblock/etc. occurred that first night (though the write-up certainly made it seem like that). I know Level-One, JamesV, Rebel, Yarmouth went towards the notion that there was the recruit AND attempted kill immediately, but I think it’s otherwise. Especially considering no one came out and said “Hey! I roleblocked X ... “. Given that, I’m saying they have the option, not the combination. And I know that Jules believes this too. Anyway, getting back to the list of 9 ... Now we’ve been through the TMarv/Jules debate. Yarmouth (Claims he can get night info, and will share the next day, then shares nothing and says that the mafia were blocked trying to recruit) Mark Mania Stefan Raab 4. AC Smith (Claims can’t add any information, but does have a passive role) JamesV Buckson Gooch T-Marv (Claims can’t add any information) Crown Jules Rebel Look, no one on here can clear their name without making a personal claim (“I’m town, trust me!”). So who do we gamble on if we’re going to gamble? |
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Post by KJE on Dec 18, 2012 1:23:30 GMT -4
Im tending to believe jules and t-marv are town... so I dont know really sally... nice looking up you did there. Im glad you did that!!!
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