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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 9:16:48 GMT -4
Jules, you can quote wiki at me and whatever else you might like. I accept that that's your definition of it, and if I had gone and done diligent research on it, I would have probably come aligned with your definition. But I didn't. I acted on instinct. And this is an ass post, and you know it. You don't need to be condescending. I understand we have a difference, I acknowledged that my difference is not conventional. You don't ned to stand on a soap box and act all high and mighty and just throw two links out there as if that's enough to vindicate everything you're saying. |
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 20, 2012 9:23:41 GMT -4
I really find it hard to believe that Jules would be mafia, and not jump at the chance to lynch me, when I was so close. I really do.
...just an observation.
Now, back to seriousness... I really don't like the way that Gooch has "over acted" this "new guy" thing. I think that it came up, and in QT, mafia (including Gooch) said "lets run with it".
If I'm wrong, gladly lynch me next, however he has just over acted this new guy bullshit, and to top it off, claims that I have previously mentioned and vouched for Jules (before this post), when I had never even mentioned Jules in any post (before this post). So, seriously, lynch and let's see.
Vote: Gooch
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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 9:23:51 GMT -4
Sally, a passive role is when you don't need to send in a night action every night. Oh trust me, I get that now lol! I have never thought of it like that. I have always thought of it as actively gathering information (investigator, watcher, tracker, lie detector, etc.) and passively gathering information (doctor, bulletproof, deprogramer, etc.). I will acknowledge until the sun sets that I made a semantic mistake. I'm leaning towards Sally only because she was quiet until Jeff cleared her and then immediately started to speak up and lead the town. Fair observation, but when more information became available, I was able to start forming ideas. If you recall my previous games, I'm regularly quiet the first days and then try to lead the town. I've always said that it's good for there to be frequent posting because you can find slip-ups. Granted, I've shown enough this game. But I could hardly act on Day 1 when no one knows anything, Day 2 when information was scant. Then when Day 3 came, I started to be more active. Also, note that Jeff cleared my after I had become more active. Indeed, it came rather late in the day phase when he said I was town, not early. Still a question, Sally. Last day phase you said you thought there were four scum. I think that's a weird claim in general ... As I said previously, I just think that with the numbers, 2 starting against how many? 16? That seems absurd numbers, and that 3 starting, with a fourth recruit, would be a better scenario. but I don't understand why your first reaction is to then either lynch me or Phenom - rather then at least first address the claim you made 24 hours ago? If your theory was correct, we could ALL be town. No, even with my '4 scum' theory, KJE has narrowed down that list to there being one in there. Doesn't matter if there are 5 ot 6, there is a scum in that list of names. And, given processes of elimination, I can get it down to you and Phenom. And, let's face it: You'd be one hell of a recruit! Though, I don't think that's the case. I just find it interesting. If your scum, I'd assume that statement was to look more pro town by appearing to be overtly ignorant to the workings of the scum team. No, not really. It was just to throw my theory out there. No real intentions of shading myself more town. |
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 20, 2012 9:24:02 GMT -4
Hey Jules... did you use your role on Kaylyn last night? I don't need any details or background - just a yes or no answer would suffice.
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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 9:27:11 GMT -4
I don’t think I’m going to survive the night. That last exchange with Jules ... yeah, it’s going to look bad. But it’s an honest misinterpretation in meaning. I classify active and passive different - the ability to get information or not. Granted, this is not a conventional or common thing. But it’s how I’ve always thought of things, and it’s cost me.
Not to try and sway votes, but I want to make sure that I deliver on my promise to KJE to try and help her. Though, when I’m lynched, she’s the next biggest target (other than Level-One, and I wonder why he has survived so long given the fact that EVERYONE identifies him as one of the strongest players) and given how proactive she’s been, she’s got the biggest target.
Though, based on that, people really should target her with their night actions, watch her at the least!
Jules, who should be town based on his role, has opened up a door for the scum to probably work with what he has put forward to get me lynched. In that case, I’m hoping I can give KJE something to work with, even though she’s going to get killed this night phase.
Level-One or Phenom - one of these two are scum. I’m more inclined to believe Level-One is now, rather than Phenom. L1 usually gets killed early unless there’s a doctor, and the doctor’s been killed. He’s also a strong player and would be a smart recruit for another experienced player. But, if he can acquit himself, then I don’t know. Level-One is the recruit if he is scum.
Rebel or Mania - one of them is scum too. They are too quiet, more quiet than I’ve seen them.
For the third, check one of the people who are left who have voted for me. If JamesV or AC Smith votes for me, I believe one of them to be scum.
I’m pretty sure that Gooch is town based on his play. Raab is too new to be anything else but town. And TMarv, well, I think he’s town given the exchange a few days ago. And, like I said, Jules should be town too.
KJE, Speede, you should work to get Raab and Gooch more active and focus on someone that you can find out from all this! The four of you, plus Jules - who will want to redeem himself if I turn up dead - and the leftover town who mean to do good ... you should have enough to get through the next day or two. If KJE can survive for a while longer, you will be able to sort it out very easily. Someone just needs to work with KJE in a similar way to this: Give her clear things to check that she can generate good information from.
Anyway, I’ll either see you all in the morning in here, or I won’t. Such is mafia!
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Post by Mark Mania on Dec 20, 2012 9:49:17 GMT -4
I'll agree that Rebel is quiet. But, hey, I'm here!
I have to believe it's between L1, Phenom, and even you Sally. It does seem like you're doing a lot to help the town and I'm not getting scum vibes from you because of it. But much like L1, I think most people know you're a strong player as well and this could be a hell of a play.
In terms of Gooch, he might be just a puppet to the scum's needs but I can't really tell because it's been so unorthodox.
T-Marv and Phenom have both had meltdowns that have cried to be voted off and it's confusing the hell out of me.
And KJE has also been helping the town a ton, but, I have to wonder, and maybe this is crazy thinking, but what if the scum recruited her after the first night and she's just continuing on her game? She's only cleared people hasn't found out any scum yet. You have to imagine there's a lie somewhere that a scum made. It would be a great person to have on the scum side.
Not voting or even FoS, but just an idea that was floating through my head.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Dec 20, 2012 9:53:48 GMT -4
I love the logic that come out in these games - if you're quiet, you're scum!
I don't have much to offer here. My role is more preventative than informative. I'll be honest that I missed the deadline for night actions last night, I've been sick as a dog. I refuse to drop "I'm checking in" threads because they are useless. I'm paying attention and trying to protect those that are more valuable to the town than I am.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 20, 2012 10:12:19 GMT -4
Phenom, I'm town. Why are you gunning so hard for me, bro? Are you trying to take the focus off of you? I pegged you as a Godfather type days ago. Seems like you're feelings are still hurt about it. After last night, I can confirm that Phenom is town Followed with this... Thanks for confirming me town, Jeff. Now onto business... Vote: GoochYou've been way too up and up here... Without anything solid. I really don't have a good feeling about you, and I'm going with my gut on this one. Then you turn around and say this, (bolded for emphasis) Gooch is just going way too hard for my tastes, and I really have a bad feeling about him. Since the start of the game, I've seen him take way too much offense to the smallest remarks. Even right on down to his "sounds legit" comment to me. Without taking offense, he took offense. Furthermore, twisting my words meant nothing, Gooch. I never said "I'm going with my gut, and voting for you based on a gut feeling, because you had a gut feeling". That makes no sense, bro. And it makes it look even more scum, because you're twisting my words, making no sense while you're at it, because what you said that I said, was NOT what I said at all. Get what I'm saying?It's all about the he said she said bullshit. - Fred Durst Now, I'm not expecting anyone to pick up on this vote and lynch you. What I'm doing is covering my ass. Because if indeed you do flip mafia, I'll be able to say "I told you so". But who knows, big man... Maybe I wont even make it that long. So then we turn around to today...second verse same as the first... I really find it hard to believe that Jules would be mafia, and not jump at the chance to lynch me, when I was so close. I really do. ...just an observation. Now, back to seriousness... I really don't like the way that Gooch has "over acted" this "new guy" thing. I think that it came up, and in QT, mafia (including Gooch) said "lets run with it". If I'm wrong, gladly lynch me next, however he has just over acted this new guy bullshit, and to top it off, claims that I have previously mentioned and vouched for Jules (before this post), when I had never even mentioned Jules in any post (before this post). So, seriously, lynch and let's see. Vote: GoochYou were trying to play yourself off as inexperienced, yet T-Marv put you on blast and you went nuts. So far, every experienced player has tried to come up with some type of logic to put up a vote...except for you. Your above comments should prove that. Today we're seeing lists from the experienced players trying to figure something out and you are still holding to gut feelings. Seems you wanted to get rid of another townie. You were cleared by the Cop, but if I understand the role, if you were scum appearing as innocent, you would've shown up clean to Jeff. I find it convenient that you have one night action and you "use it" the night that no one can verify it. I have a feeling that you're GF. Call it rookie intuition... Vote: Phenom |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 20, 2012 10:28:40 GMT -4
FFS.... I sleep and the whole game gets played.
Anyways, my meltdown not withstanding, I've gotten a weird vibe from Level One all game, kinda a town vibe but something is not quite right. Perhaps he was recruited night one, it would explain why he's still alive. Or perhaps the Scum is playing such an excellent game right now, that they don't need to kill Level One.
There's been too much arguing and infighting (partially by me) and it's time to actually get something accomplished guys.
Also.... I think I've finally come around to believing KJE is who she says she is.
As far as I'm concerned it looks like this.
Either L1, Phenom, or Sally are scum, based both on KJE's night action and the fact that Jeff (being cop) could have hit one of them as godfather.
Here's the deal folks... There's 13 people left in this game. There's at least 3 scum, which means that best case scenario there's 10 town less and could be less.
Confirmed Town:
KJE (as Lie Detector)
Roy Speede (cleared by KJE after night one)
Maybe Town or GF: (cleared by Jeff)
Sally
Phenom
Maybe Town or Recruited day one:
Level One
I realize most people know this, just throwing it out there.
HERE is what stands out to me the most..... Sally just role hinted at something and I got what she was saying. A few posts later.... REBEL role hinted at the same thing(or similar)
And Phenom refuses to ROLE CLAIM....
ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT! Roleclaiming is not against the rules, so if your claim would help the town out, it's time to suck it up and DO IT! I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for rolefishing, but it's DAY 5(i think) and we're NO CLOSER to getting scum than day one. It's time to claim guys.... He who is most hesitant to claim will get my vote. I promise you that.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 20, 2012 10:40:18 GMT -4
EBWOP
When I said it's time to claim... I didn't mean EVERYBODY... I meant those in question.
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Post by Jules on Dec 20, 2012 11:15:02 GMT -4
Hey Jules... did you use your role on Kaylyn last night? I don't need any details or background - just a yes or no answer would suffice. Yes. Jules, you can quote wiki at me and whatever else you might like. I accept that that's your definition of it, and if I had gone and done diligent research on it, I would have probably come aligned with your definition. But I didn't. I acted on instinct. And this is an ass post, and you know it. You don't need to be condescending. I understand we have a difference, I acknowledged that my difference is not conventional. You don't ned to stand on a soap box and act all high and mighty and just throw two links out there as if that's enough to vindicate everything you're saying. I’m not being condescending, nor am I acting all high and mighty, so quit with the smear campaign (and the sly ad hominem arguments). What a cheap rhetorical trick! I put information out there, maybe I could have subtitled it, but I didn’t. The purpose of those links is to point out what are pretty standardized definitions of ‘active’ and ‘passive’ roles (for the benefit of everyone ignorant of them). You really expect me to buy this ‘oh, ditsy me’ act? You are one of the most analytical people on these forums, one of the most experienced and accomplished mafia players we have, and you expect me to believe you have been operating with inaccurate definitions of ‘active’ and ‘passive’ roles all this time? I know I can’t prove that you did or didn’t know the meanings (it’s actually pointless to go round in circles about that), but the notion that you didn’t is really stretching the limits of plausibility (for the above reasons). It just smells like some lawyer’s trick to arouse ‘reasonable doubt’. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 20, 2012 12:19:12 GMT -4
There's a TON of stuff for me to review right now, but upon skimming the three pages worth of posts that happened overnight, this stuck out like a sore thumb. For the third, check one of the people who are left who have voted for me. If JamesV or AC Smith votes for me, I believe one of them to be scum. Oh, the classic, "If you vote for me, you're scum!," argument. Like I said, I haven't had the time to digest everything yet, but that's a massive red flag, and I am getting close to, dare I say it... agreeing with Jules about SalTal? |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Dec 20, 2012 15:23:22 GMT -4
Morning. We find ourselves on the grounds of Wayne Manor, where we see Alfred Pennyworth, Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Selina Kyle, and Jim Gordon surrounding three graves, two old, aged and a new one that reads the name of Bruce Wayne as a group of people make their way to their cars behind them, except for two people, Jack Ryder and a brown hair woman dressed in black.
Jack Ryder: Commissioner
Commissioner Gordon: Not now, Jack, bad time.
Jack Ryder: No, this is off the record. I want to know if there is anything I can do to help. Bruce saved me from myself once and I never got to repay him, I am doing it now.
Commissioner Gordon: Tell the People of Gotham that we’re bringing The Super Criminals down for this. Be the voice that calms them.
Jack Ryder: I can do that.
Commissioner Gordon: Is this your latest girlfriend?
“No, I am Talia al Ghul, Bruce’s lover.”
Just then Selina Kyle walks to the mansion. Crying and cursing in anger. Dick follows her.
Commissioner Gordon: Ah, well, you’re welcome to grieve with us in the mansion after we calm down Miss Kyle.
Talia al Ghul: Take your time, I’d like to stay alone with the grave for a moment, privately.
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VOTES
Finnish – 3 (KJE, Mania, Gooch)
Sally – 1 (Jules)
Gooch - 1 (Finnish)
With 13 left alive, it takes 7 votes to make a lynch.
Day 5 Ends 9 PM EST Saturday December 22, 2012
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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 15:29:25 GMT -4
Pretty surprised that I'm still alive. Just going to quickly go through things here though, because itsmorningand time to go to work.
1. AC - if you can't tell why I put you up against JamesV in that statement when I've never thought you were scum, then it's not worth explaining to you.
2. Like the rules say, role claiming is discouraged. I've said enough to give you all an idea as to what I am. But, if it helps, I'm a town doctor.
3. Jules, I've p layed 4 mafia games, total. I don't play the 'new' role because I can get over the original louring that a game provides, but when you say I'm an experienced player, that's wrong. And stop with the faux outrage at being called out, the same way you've told me to stop.
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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 15:33:23 GMT -4
EBWOP
That should say 'original clouding' in the previous post, not louring.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 20, 2012 15:42:28 GMT -4
So... In a game with only THREE scum (or only three that we've seen so far with one of them being recruited) you're saying that there were TWO doctors in this game? I'm finding that VERY hard to believe.
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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 16:08:29 GMT -4
So... In a game with only THREE scum (or only three that we've seen so far with one of them being recruited) you're saying that there were TWO doctors in this game? I'm finding that VERY hard to believe. So did I when I saw the first one turn up dead. Which is one reason I thought that there were 4 scum too - 2 doctors is a heavy advantage, but nullified if they have a recruit option. Yep, sounds implausible but it's the truth (that I'm a doctor). Actually, if Rebel is claiming doctor too, then that would make 3 in the game. And not even is believe that! |
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Post by KJE on Dec 20, 2012 16:51:00 GMT -4
Ugh... my head is spinning. However... I am leaning towards believing Sally... Why? She is claiming doctor and she said if she dies, I WILL die the next night. So I guess that is why I have stayed alive thus far... at the same time... everyone wants to know why L1 has stayed alive so far... and if there is another doctor...
God, this game is a pain so far lol.
Okay here is what I am wanting.... if people are down to think of a list, I want you to do as follows without the quotes:
"I believe that one of the three are scum: "
And list three people please. Reason I am doing this? I want to make sure there is plenty out there to look over and what have you.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 20, 2012 17:02:18 GMT -4
Okay here is what I am wanting.... if people are down to think of a list, I want you to do as follows without the quotes: "I believe that one of the three are scum: " And list three people please. Reason I am doing this? I want to make sure there is plenty out there to look over and what have you. Ask and ye shall receive, mainly because I'm just as confused about this game as you are. I believe that one of the three are scum: JamesV, Crown Jules, Johnny Rebel. Of the players still left in the game, JamesV has eclipsed Jules as my "person most likely to be scum." Here's why, in list form. - He's literally done just enough to not be modkilled, whereas when he's town, he usually takes a leadership role. - In order, he FOS'd Speede (cleared town, IIRC), made a three-line post that didn't say anything, voted Callahan (turned up town when night-killed during the ensuing night phase), and hammered Yarmouth (who was town). All four posts he's made in this game reek of suspicion. - What's spoken just as largely about him in this game isn't what he's posted about, it's what he HASN'T posted about. He hasn't helped the town AT ALL, and he hasn't hinted at or claimed a role. He's posted once a day, doing enough to avoid being modkilled while also lurking very far under the radar. With that being said? FOS: JamesVI don't have a definitive read on Phenom, but I feel like we might be barking up the wrong tree there. I still think Jules might be scum, but the fact that he's been forthcoming the past few days has helped his cause. JamesV, though, hasn't been forthcoming, hasn't helped the town do anything except shoot itself in the foot, and somehow hasn't gotten raked through the coals for it. I don't think that's wise, and I feel like we should be pressing for more information. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 20, 2012 17:14:17 GMT -4
Ugh... my head is spinning. However... I am leaning towards believing Sally... Why? She is claiming doctor and she said if she dies, I WILL die the next night. So I guess that is why I have stayed alive thus far... at the same time... everyone wants to know why L1 has stayed alive so far... and if there is another doctor... God, this game is a pain so far lol. Okay here is what I am wanting.... if people are down to think of a list, I want you to do as follows without the quotes: "I believe that one of the three are scum: " And list three people please. Reason I am doing this? I want to make sure there is plenty out there to look over and what have you. Actually, you haven't died because you HAVEN'T been targeted. With the exception of night one (recruit) somebody has died every night. I find it even harder to believe that scum have TWO kills a night. I'm sorry Sally, I just don't believe you. I can't believe you. IT doesn't register into my logical sense. The only think keeping me from voting is this voice in the back of my head saying "she wouldn't claim if it weren't true cause everyone would be all over her." But I'm starting to think this was your play the whole time. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 20, 2012 17:16:44 GMT -4
Also,
One of these Three are Scum: KJE, Level One, Sally
I phrased it like that because it comes off more of a STATED fact than an "I Believe" sort of thing. I think the ability will work better that way.
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Post by SalTal on Dec 20, 2012 17:40:08 GMT -4
Ugh... my head is spinning. However... I am leaning towards believing Sally... Why? She is claiming doctor and she said if she dies, I WILL die the next night. So I guess that is why I have stayed alive thus far... at the same time... everyone wants to know why L1 has stayed alive so far... and if there is another doctor... God, this game is a pain so far lol. Okay here is what I am wanting.... if people are down to think of a list, I want you to do as follows without the quotes: "I believe that one of the three are scum: " And list three people please. Reason I am doing this? I want to make sure there is plenty out there to look over and what have you. Actually, you haven't died because you HAVEN'T been targeted. With the exception of night one (recruit) somebody has died every night. I find it even harder to believe that scum have TWO kills a night. I'm sorry Sally, I just don't believe you. I can't believe you. IT doesn't register into my logical sense. The only think keeping me from voting is this voice in the back of my head saying "she wouldn't claim if it weren't true cause everyone would be all over her." But I'm starting to think this was your play the whole time. That's all fair. I'm not going to flip out. I've put my cards down, I'll be shocked (but not surprised) if I last the night. That said, we should definitely not go through today with a no lunch. Lynching someone right or wrong will narrow things down for KJE even more. If that's me, because I'm in the 3, fine. But I will only be voting L1 or Phenom. |
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Post by Speede on Dec 20, 2012 19:21:17 GMT -4
Alright, after reading through four and a half pages of "I'M A-FIRING MY LAZAAAAAAAH!" esque "What the hell just happnened?" conversation, I'm confused out of my mind, but here's my logic, and what I think...
I believe at least one of the following three are scum...
1) Level One. As many have said, you're one of the best players on this board, and the thought that you were cleared on night one and haven't been killed off yet reaches me as highly suspicious. I don't necessarily get a scum vibe from you, but that you're alive would mean that either you're a scum, the scum haven't targeted you yet for whatever reason, or there are three doctors (since Sally claims to be protecting KJE), and I find it hard to believe that someone with as much experience and skill as you hasn't been targeted by scum yet unless the scum doesn't know what they're doing.
2) Finnish Phenom.... Again, the mental breakdown because it worked for T-Marv? Really? I'm not buying it... I think you're trying to avoid being voted off, and I'm thinking you're focusing way too hard on getting the new guy, Gooch, lynched because if he wants to play the new card he wouldn't know how to adequately defend himself from your accusations. You're my pick as Godfather, since Jeff would read you as innocent.
3) um... Honestly, I don't know who our third might be. Names like SalTal and Gooch were considered for this spot, but honestly I don't buy them as scum, and Jules has convinced me of his innocence as well... My thought on the third scum on this list is Johnny Rebel. Guy's too quiet, and I understand he may have RL stuff going on, but I get a really scummy vibe from the guy, and I want to think he's town and just staying quiet because he has a passive role, but I can't convince myself of it.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 20, 2012 19:52:54 GMT -4
I don't have the time right now to go into much detail but in short, I'm not sold on there being two doctors in the game.
I feel like I am justified in voting right now but because I am going to be gone tonight and for a better portion of tomorrow during the day, I don't want to piss anyone off especially when I am not going to be in a position to properly defend myself and counter any claims being made.
Not trying to stall anything either - just explaining why you won't be hearing from me til' tomorrow.
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Post by KJE on Dec 20, 2012 20:33:54 GMT -4
Also, One of these Three are Scum: KJE, Level One, Sally I phrased it like that because it comes off more of a STATED fact than an "I Believe" sort of thing. I think the ability will work better that way. Perfect Marv, thanks for thinking ahead. Can everyone rephrase like marv did please? Also for now so I know there is time for it to be done... Unvote |
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Post by Jules on Dec 20, 2012 20:39:30 GMT -4
I need some time to think a few things over. I'm still not sold on Sally's innocence, but it looks like she's created enough 'reasonable doubt' to stall. But there is no rush, plenty of time left in this day.
Kaylyn, as for your request: One of these three are scum: Sally, Finish Phenom, Level-One.
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Post by Speede on Dec 20, 2012 22:38:28 GMT -4
AT LEAST one of these three are scum: Level One, Finnish Phenom, Johnny Rebel.
Just putting that "at least" in front, because if two of them are scum, the evaluation on truth would still come back false... technically...
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Post by Michael Jennings on Dec 20, 2012 22:45:23 GMT -4
EBWOP And AC, don't come back saying 'I said vote Jules from yesterday.' and leave it at that. Give us an idea on where to go. If he turns up town, who do we night cation! If he turns up scum, who is next? So I'm essentially being turned into the town's leader now? May want to consult with the rest of the people in the game about that. That said, if it's me telling people what to do? Here it is. - Check Jules. If he comes up scum, there's our next target. If he's town, he's town, and I'll be happy to drop my vote and focus elsewhere. Him coming up town may, MAY, clear T-Marv, who threw up a big, huge distraction that let him off the hook. Here's my list of other people we're going to want to check/use night actions on, in no particular order. - T-Marv. He went from insanely gung-ho to backpedaling very, very quickly. If he's town, he played horribly. If he's scum, he realized he overplayed his hand and backed off. Given his reputation in games like this, I can't see him making what is, for all intents and purposes, a rookie mistake. - Mark Mania/Johnny Rebel/JamesV. All three are playing VERY far under the radar. Of this group, I'm getting the most scum vibes from JamesV, who is usually much, much more vocal when town than when scum. - KJE/L-1. I'm about 70% sure both are town. However, KJE's logic on the Yarmouth lynch smells just a bit, as I pointed out. Funny how AC Smith is getting on my case when the last day phase he CLEARLY was setting something up for this day phase. Look at all of the names thrown out there by him. It's clear that there's a set up job going on and he's a part of it in my opinion. You can think what you want about me in this game but I have been as active as I can be. I went on a rant earlier in this game about pointless arguments wasting time in this game and nothing has changed my opinion on that either. Alright, after reading through four and a half pages of "I'M A-FIRING MY LAZAAAAAAAH!" esque "What the hell just happnened?" conversation, I'm confused out of my mind, but here's my logic, and what I think... I believe at least one of the following three are scum... 1) Level One. As many have said, you're one of the best players on this board, and the thought that you were cleared on night one and haven't been killed off yet reaches me as highly suspicious. I don't necessarily get a scum vibe from you, but that you're alive would mean that either you're a scum, the scum haven't targeted you yet for whatever reason, or there are three doctors (since Sally claims to be protecting KJE), and I find it hard to believe that someone with as much experience and skill as you hasn't been targeted by scum yet unless the scum doesn't know what they're doing. 2) Finnish Phenom.... Again, the mental breakdown because it worked for T-Marv? Really? I'm not buying it... I think you're trying to avoid being voted off, and I'm thinking you're focusing way too hard on getting the new guy, Gooch, lynched because if he wants to play the new card he wouldn't know how to adequately defend himself from your accusations. You're my pick as Godfather, since Jeff would read you as innocent. 3) um... Honestly, I don't know who our third might be. Names like SalTal and Gooch were considered for this spot, but honestly I don't buy them as scum, and Jules has convinced me of his innocence as well... My thought on the third scum on this list is Johnny Rebel. Guy's too quiet, and I understand he may have RL stuff going on, but I get a really scummy vibe from the guy, and I want to think he's town and just staying quiet because he has a passive role, but I can't convince myself of it. I agree with this assessment and one of the three I think is scum. For those left town... When I'm lynched... Mark my words... Scum: Sam, Kaylyn, and Gooch Here's some more info for you, so you have every right to lynch me... ...I visited Jeff last night to use my role. NOW, LYNCH MY TOWN ASS! This post is setting off all kinds of alarm bellswith me. For one thing I don't like the part saying to lynch him. Also the tone of Phenom's posts are bit too defensive for my liking. Also how is Kaylyn scum when it's OBVIOUS what role she has? smh There's a TON of stuff for me to review right now, but upon skimming the three pages worth of posts that happened overnight, this stuck out like a sore thumb. For the third, check one of the people who are left who have voted for me. If JamesV or AC Smith votes for me, I believe one of them to be scum. Oh, the classic, "If you vote for me, you're scum!," argument. Like I said, I haven't had the time to digest everything yet, but that's a massive red flag, and I am getting close to, dare I say it... agreeing with Jules about SalTal? I don't like this post either. VERY overreacting and then his next post was focusing on my after SalTal lumped us together which got him pissy. Right now the three players I'm looking at as possible scum are L1, AC Smith, and Phenom. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 20, 2012 23:16:19 GMT -4
Funny how RIGHT AFTER I out JamesV for contributing little to the game, he fires all of his bullets at me.
Contrary to what he (and anyone else) may believe, I'm not setting anything up. I don't have the alignment or role needed to do that. Plus, if I was setting something up, wouldn't I have SOME support from the community at large?
It's strange how, when some people say what they think, it's considered to be good, solid, aggressive play, yet when others do it, it's overreacting and scummy.
If people think I'm being irrational in being suspicious of JamesV when we don't have a ton to go on elsewhere, tell me. But we're getting nowhere. It's day five, and if we all sit on one of our hands and point fingers with the other, we'll continue to get nowhere and the scum will continue to dominate this game.
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Post by Speede on Dec 20, 2012 23:21:01 GMT -4
If people think I'm being irrational in being suspicious of JamesV when we don't have a ton to go on elsewhere, tell me. But we're getting nowhere. It's day five, and if we all sit on one of our hands and point fingers with the other, we'll continue to get nowhere and the scum will continue to dominate this game. I understand what you're coming from. JamesV is another one of those guys in a similar boat with Rebs as far as the explanation in my post, but honestly I just think it's too convenient how Rebel pops in when someone says something about him and then ditches the thread all over again. JamesV hasn't specifically done that from what I've seen, and that's another one of those "benefit of the doubt" things that makes James SLIGHTLY less suspicious than Rebs IMO. |
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