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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 16, 2012 10:55:28 GMT -4
VOTE: Jules
Same reasons as the previous day phase, no reason to rehash them. Plus, something about Kaylyn getting blocked after publicly stating where she was going with her night action smells.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 11:10:57 GMT -4
Yes, I meant Jules, not James. Sorry folks.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 11:11:38 GMT -4
The more I look at it, the Jules vote is a BAD vote.... And more people jumping in on it are worrying me more and more.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 13:43:18 GMT -4
No evidence has been set forth against me or Jules. We've just played a "loud" game. On the outside looking in, I could see people looking to us, but there is no evidence. I know I'm town, that's all I know.
Phenom still strikes me as scummy and has for days now (check my old posts), Jeff cleared him.
Jeff, what made you clear him?
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 16, 2012 13:50:43 GMT -4
No evidence has been set forth against me or Jules. We've just played a "loud" game. On the outside looking in, I could see people looking to us, but there is no evidence. I know I'm town, that's all I know. Phenom still strikes me as scummy and has for days now (check my old posts), Jeff cleared him. Jeff, what made you clear him? Sorry, I'm not role claiming. You either trust me or screw the town over by not believing me |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 13:52:42 GMT -4
There's been no Evidence against ANYONE! We're all just stabbing in the dark. Would you rather we sat around and did nothing.
This whole post reeks of inexperienced Scum.
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Post by Jules on Dec 16, 2012 13:55:51 GMT -4
VOTE: JulesSame reasons as the previous day phase, no reason to rehash them. Plus, something about Kaylyn getting blocked after publicly stating where she was going with her night action smells. I suppose there is no need to rehash my defense then. I'm glad to see there is some sense prevailing among the town. The question you have to ask yourself is why would I invite an investigation on myself, then RB the investigator knowing that it is only going to come back to one person - ME! On top of that, why go with the roleblock? Why not just have the person investigating me killed? There is risk in both, but if I were scum, believe me, I'd take my chances on any watcher possibly not targeting the person investigating me, rather than going with a roleblock tactic that is only going to come back to me anyway. Kill is 'could win, could lose', roleblock scenario is 'lose only'. One further question we need to ask is: has anyone confirmed Kaylyn? As far as I am aware she has 'cleared' Level-One, but how credible is this (other than her role hints)? I'm not making any accusations here, I'm simply pointing out that we need to have all bases covered before we simply follow the leads of others. For all I know she may have not been roleblocked, after all it is a convenient tactic to play if you're mafia to claim the roleblock. However, if there is no counter-claim then I guess I can buy it for now. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 14:02:23 GMT -4
Also, not everyone she's "cleared" is truly "cleared." The Godfather would come back innocent most likely.
Not saying I am accusing L1, but this feels like a L1 run mafia right now.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 16, 2012 14:53:33 GMT -4
Wow, Terry. This is completely true but you need to start paying way more attention to this game. For someone who claims to not have a useful power role, you'd think you would.
Vote: Jules
I don't like how you're starting to throw dirt in Kaylyn's direction who has been one of two people (Jeff being the other) to give the town jack squat, period. We got like ten people claiming to have passive roles of some sort and quite frankly, it sounds like BS.
I'm not going to entertain all of your hypothetical questions that nobody can really answer - whether or not you were set up or not. Up until now, I was seriously entertaining the most likely scenario that this was a set up but considering Kaylyn's role is OBVIOUS - the implications of a guilty read on you could not be refuted in ANY WAY. A guilty read with her role would mean your scum. No framing. No miller. No bus drives. Just 100% confirmed scum. In that sense killing or blocking and then claiming a frame up would be your ONLY shot.
Asking questions like:
This does nothing for us either way because even if she wound up dead, it would still resemble a frame up job on you.
Nice framing more of your theories in questions by the way. In my eyes, it doesn't look any less innocent just because you wrap what really IS an accusation into the form of a question. Typical play of yours, I see.
You earned yourself my vote with that antic. It's the last damned straw.
As for Terry, I've been cleared already but if a SECOND member of town feels they need to double check me then I'd encourage that. Though, technically it would be a waste of resources because it's already been established. I'm about one day phase away of just losing my shit completely if the town's luck doesn't change soon.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Dec 16, 2012 15:26:18 GMT -4
Afternoon. We see Jack Ryder behind a desk, in front of a Gotham News banner.
Jack Ryder: Today, we mourn the loss of one of our own here at Gotham News, Vicki Vale. These are dark days in Gotham thanks to the emergence of The Super Criminals. In these days, few things provide a light among the darkness. It’s hard to go about life regularly, but we must try to. These, terrorists, they want to break the spirit of Gotham, and we must not let that happen. You must stay sane, you must stay good. I’m Jack Ryder.
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VOTES:
Gooch – 3 (Finnish, T-Marv, Jules)
Jules – 4 (Gooch, KJE, AC Smith, L1)
Day 4 Ends 11:59PM EST Tuesday December 18th.
With 15 Alive, 8 votes make a lynch.
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Post by Speede on Dec 16, 2012 15:32:36 GMT -4
Checking in, got a lot to do before going Christmas Caroling later this evening. Will read up on everything and figure out what it is I want to do later this evening.
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Post by KJE on Dec 16, 2012 16:56:24 GMT -4
Also, not everyone she's "cleared" is truly "cleared." The Godfather would come back innocent most likely. Not saying I am accusing L1, but this feels like a L1 run mafia right now. First off, I am not getting INNOCENT, or GUILTY verdicts at all. I am getting TRUTH or LIE. So no, there is no way that what I have been reporting is false. One further question we need to ask is: has anyone confirmed Kaylyn? As far as I am aware she has 'cleared' Level-One, but how credible is this (other than her role hints)? I'm not making any accusations here, I'm simply pointing out that we need to have all bases covered before we simply follow the leads of others. For all I know she may have not been roleblocked, after all it is a convenient tactic to play if you're mafia to claim the roleblock. However, if there is no counter-claim then I guess I can buy it for now. You forgot its not only L1 I have cleared. So it's not just a single person. Take my word for it or not. Everyone has seen how I play the game so.. Lol. And like I said, I am willing to take my vote off, and probably will because some people that I don't trust are jumping on it. I said I wanted to hear what you had to say first and I did. I made sure to vote so I could see who would jump on it and how people reacted towards it. I couldn't agree with you any more there L1. This game has been driving me insane and the lack of people stepping up with information is really getting to me. You're not the only one ready to lose it. And once more.... Phenom... The dude basically hinted towards being a cop... and Jeff cleared him as being town... so if he is a cop, why is he not helping? All he keeps doing is saying hes voting off a "gut feeling" That is not sitting right with me at all. something fishy is going on and we need to get to the bottom of it. |
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Post by KJE on Dec 16, 2012 16:57:19 GMT -4
EBWOP: And yes, I am not yet removing my vote for you Jules... I still am not certain that you were set up so for now it sticks.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 17:39:55 GMT -4
unvoteI didn't say you were def Godfather L1... Just that it feels like a l1 run mafia.
Also, I haven't been paying much attention to the game, it's true. I honestly can't get into this game much....don't care for the setup so far and have let that kinda take me out of it. So I apologize for that.
But, I'm having a hard time buying a Lie Detector role in a game with so many vanillas. You're probably lucky I haven't been paying attention to the game much cause If i would have caught this.... I would have
vote: KJE
a long time ago. There is no lie detector in this game... not with so many Vanillas. It probably means L1 is scum too. Lie Detector is a fairly safe claim. I think you're full of shit and the experianced mafia players should catch on about now.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Dec 16, 2012 17:50:15 GMT -4
Vote Jules
Too many questions and not enough answers on him at this point.
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Post by Jules on Dec 16, 2012 18:16:24 GMT -4
Wow, Terry. This is completely true but you need to start paying way more attention to this game. For someone who claims to not have a useful power role, you'd think you would. Vote: JulesI don't like how you're starting to throw dirt in Kaylyn's direction who has been one of two people (Jeff being the other) to give the town jack squat, period. We got like ten people claiming to have passive roles of some sort and quite frankly, it sounds like BS. I'm not going to entertain all of your hypothetical questions that nobody can really answer - whether or not you were set up or not. Up until now, I was seriously entertaining the most likely scenario that this was a set up but considering Kaylyn's role is OBVIOUS - the implications of a guilty read on you could not be refuted in ANY WAY. A guilty read with her role would mean your scum. No framing. No miller. No bus drives. Just 100% confirmed scum. In that sense killing or blocking and then claiming a frame up would be your ONLY shot. Asking questions like: This does nothing for us either way because even if she wound up dead, it would still resemble a frame up job on you. Nice framing more of your theories in questions by the way. In my eyes, it doesn't look any less innocent just because you wrap what really IS an accusation into the form of a question. Typical play of yours, I see. You earned yourself my vote with that antic. It's the last damned straw. As for Terry, I've been cleared already but if a SECOND member of town feels they need to double check me then I'd encourage that. Though, technically it would be a waste of resources because it's already been established. I'm about one day phase away of just losing my shit completely if the town's luck doesn't change soon. This response strikes me as a little too defensive. I don't think it is unreasonable to point out that, as yet, Kaylyn isn't 100% cleared. What's your point - she's claimed lie detector, and since no-one has counter-claimed it must be true. If she was claiming cop, tracker, or any of the other standard town roles you expect to see in a mafia game I could accept that, but I reserve the right to maintain some doubt about a claim that isn't certified, especially when it is something of a novelty role. It's like claiming role cop, which is a standard go to role hint/claim if you're scum, because if you are scum you can be seen to be providing useful info. I don't think it unreasonable either to question why it was so 'obvious' who Kaylyn was targeting and then claim the roleblock. Add to that her 'what do you think about that L-1' when saying she was RBed, and, yeah, I feel there is a question worth asking. That this has suddenly got you all hot under the collar so quickly may be telling. Also, who is claiming they have passive roles? If you're including me in that as if it casts a shadow on me, then go ahead, point it out. You forgot its not only L1 I have cleared. So it's not just a single person. Take my word for it or not. Everyone has seen how I play the game so.. Lol. And like I said, I am willing to take my vote off, and probably will because some people that I don't trust are jumping on it. I said I wanted to hear what you had to say first and I did. I made sure to vote so I could see who would jump on it and how people reacted towards it. You're missing my point. I'm simply raising the not unreasonable point that we shouldn't follow blindly the lead of anyone who isn't cleared as town. I never said I thought you weren't town. However, Lester's sudden heart attack about all of this has me worried. Vote JulesToo many questions and not enough answers on him at this point. Jeez, this has the smell of a scum player bandwagoning all over it. Pray, do tell what questions you want answered Rebel. I will be more than happy to oblige with answers. btw... unvote |
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Post by KJE on Dec 16, 2012 18:21:33 GMT -4
Marv... I hope and pray you get enough votes to get me out of the game because than you will look like a complete ass, no offence.
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Post by KJE on Dec 16, 2012 18:24:15 GMT -4
You know what.. with everything that has been said... it might seem like a vote only because its been cast my way but... marv said it himself, he aint been playing the game.... its probably because he has been hiding. He also commented something at the beginning of the game which he said something about all the vanilla roles, where it was actually speede who said as much and not T-Marv.
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt here Jules.
Unvote: Vote -T-Marv
but by all means... if Town wants to get shit done today and find out whats real... vote me off, and it will show that L1 and Roy Speede who I cleared... are both town and you know where else you can look.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:26:14 GMT -4
Marv... I hope and pray you get enough votes to get me out of the game because than you will look like a complete ass, no offence. Honestly, at this point... I'm completely willing to look like a complete ass if it eventually accomplishes something. This vote on Jules will prove weather I'm an ass or not. Either he's scum, or you've got some explaining to do. If you're a lie detector...why hasn't scum killed you yet? Or Level One for that matter, being one of the best in the game. Doctor can't save you....he's dead. The only thing they're worried about is a watcher.... and there's no proof that one of those even exists. I just feel "Lie Detector" is TOO safe of a claim especially coming off one where we just had a lie detector. I don't buy it.... not one bit. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:28:13 GMT -4
You know what.. with everything that has been said... it might seem like a vote only because its been cast my way but... marv said it himself, he aint been playing the game.... its probably because he has been hiding. He also commented something at the beginning of the game which he said something about all the vanilla roles, where it was actually speede who said as much and not T-Marv. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt here Jules. Unvote: Vote -T-Marvbut by all means... if Town wants to get shit done today and find out whats real... vote me off, and it will show that L1 and Roy Speede who I cleared... are both town and you know where else you can look. Feel free to vote me off. I'm not sure what it accomplishes other than getting rid of another townie... But if the town thinks it will accomplish something, or will get them to look further into you, then by all means go for it. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:31:48 GMT -4
EBWOP....
And it's not because I've been "Hiding" it's because I've been busy... you know, roleplaying, writing matches for 3 different companies (including VIW), Planning and putting on a Podcast, running a Show..... Mafia hasn't fallen far into my priorities. But now that I've taken the time to look into everything, You stick out like a sore thumb.
And your insta vote on me was a piss poor knee jerk reaction. If there are any good experianced town players left, they'll jump all over it.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 18:32:33 GMT -4
I'm all kinds of confused right now.
Unvote:Jules
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:34:49 GMT -4
Here's your choices now:
Either believe KJE and vote me off, or believe me and vote KJE off. Either way, the town is sure to get a clearer picture of things and it helps everyone out in the end, whatever it takes for Town to win.
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Post by KJE on Dec 16, 2012 18:38:38 GMT -4
Like I said... I want the town to follow the vote for me.. I really do... because it will clear a few people that I have already mentioned as TOWN. So it will solidify what I have said thus far... so once again I will put my ass on the line for the town. This time I might not be attached to a scum, but either way you will find out what I said was 100% truth.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 16, 2012 18:43:00 GMT -4
Here's your choices now: Either believe KJE and vote me off, or believe me and vote KJE off. Either way, the town is sure to get a clearer picture of things and it helps everyone out in the end, whatever it takes for Town to win. Or we see what you're both doing as a distraction. Gotta be honest, KJE telling me to step off yesterday about Jules, only to engage in the same pissing contest with T-Marv today, is a little hypocritical. It's not enough to get me to unvote, because I genuinely believe someone's throwing up a smokescreen, but it's worth noting. |
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Post by KJE on Dec 16, 2012 18:44:26 GMT -4
You two were going back and forth for a while there. I said what I had to say and now I am done with it.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:45:57 GMT -4
Here's your choices now: Either believe KJE and vote me off, or believe me and vote KJE off. Either way, the town is sure to get a clearer picture of things and it helps everyone out in the end, whatever it takes for Town to win. Or we see what you're both doing as a distraction. Gotta be honest, KJE telling me to step off yesterday about Jules, only to engage in the same pissing contest with T-Marv today, is a little hypocritical. It's not enough to get me to unvote, because I genuinely believe someone's throwing up a smokescreen, but it's worth noting. Well if you want to be closed minded and think that way, then go ahead. But it's not helping the town one bit. POV: AC Smith*Waits for the Bandwaggon on him to begin. * |
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 16, 2012 18:48:31 GMT -4
The fact that you are questioning her claim isn't what's suspicious - it's WHO is doing the questioning that is. Is it possible she's lying? Yes. Is it likely? Hell no. There are way too many safe vanilla claims and under the radar game play going on and I'm supposed to be led to believe ONE of TWO players that are providing info are actually the scum? Not everyone is vanilla. Out of the three players to die, we lost a doctor and a watcher.
Plus, Lie detectors have become pretty standard game play in APW hosted games as of late.
Well since I am apart of this, I think Kaylyn is town. You don't have to like it. And if the theory is that Kaylyn is scum and I am her scum buddy then we did a horrible job at keeping it a secret. I guess you can shine that Branden Harvey award for me, huh?
The fact that you're calling a known aggressive player out on being well... aggressive seems like you're trying to draw conclusions/distractions that are not there. I call people out on BS and I attack. Shocker, huh? Don't sit here and pretend like this is something new.
Kaylyn, you need to re vote Jules. Terry Marvin's play has taken a very suspicious turn out of nowhere and I think he's Jules scum buddy. The vote was between Gooch and Jules - and now they're successfully confusing and splitting votes that will ultimately cause a no lynch.
... And as I just finish this post I see Gooch has unvoted as well. So, it appears to be working.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 16, 2012 18:52:26 GMT -4
POV? Think you've got the wrong game, T-Marv.
Considering I BEGGED someone to use their night action on me, I ought to be the least of everyone's worries.
Waiting for a bandwagon, huh? Sounds to me like I stumbled on something, and now you want to lynch me with a public vote so as to shut me up without using a kill, one that would make it obvious who the scum is.
Much like L-1, I urge people to vote Jules, because T-Marv's play in causing a distraction is throwing up a massive red flag.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:53:02 GMT -4
The fact that you are questioning her claim isn't what's suspicious - it's WHO is doing the questioning that is. Is it possible she's lying? Yes. Is it likely? Hell no. There are way too many safe vanilla claims and under the radar game play going on and I'm supposed to be led to believe ONE of TWO players that are providing info are actually the scum? Not everyone is vanilla. Out of the three players to die, we lost a doctor and a watcher. Plus, Lie detectors have become pretty standard game play in APW hosted games as of late. Well since I am apart of this, I think Kaylyn is town. You don't have to like it. And if the theory is that Kaylyn is scum and I am her scum buddy then we did a horrible job at keeping it a secret. I guess you can shine that Branden Harvey award for me, huh? The fact that you're calling a known aggressive player out on being well... aggressive seems like you're trying to draw conclusions/distractions that are not there. I call people out on BS and I attack. Shocker, huh? Don't sit here and pretend like this is something new. Kaylyn, you need to re vote Jules. Terry Marvin's play has taken a very suspicious turn out of nowhere and I think he's Jules scum buddy. The vote was between Gooch and Jules - and now they're successfully confusing and splitting votes that will ultimately cause a no lynch. ... And as I just finish this post I see Gooch has unvoted as well. So, it appears to be working. I simply don't think Jules is Scum, and feel that KJE is full of it. I realize I came out of no where, and that's my fault for not following the game much until right now. But I have my convictions and I won't change them. Jules will come back town. I will come back town when lynched. Then what? Or by then will it be too late? |
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