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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 18:54:38 GMT -4
I trust L1, I think its petty to pov ac, but I have to return my vote to Jules. This game is dragging and something needs to happen
vote: jules
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 18:55:10 GMT -4
sorry, Meant FOS: AC Smith. If somebody would get off their ass and get the BB game going again there wouldn't be that problem.  But now you're super pushing Jules with NO real evidence that he's scum. Mafia is smiling in their QT right now that they played all of you. This is about the most sad Town play ever.... and I'm a huge part of that. |
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 18:58:02 GMT -4
Can somebody show me where I "hinted" at being a cop? I can't seem to find that post...
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 16, 2012 19:11:36 GMT -4
This claim is beyond shady. Newflash - Chris Hart and Callahan have been killed thus far. You'd be considered an early target too... but like Jules, you ignore this. Nothing says you aren't doing the killings so asking questions like these are suspect at best.
Oh, and yeah. No proof a watcher exists... except it's role/character is right in the write ups opposite of Vicky Vale. Keep peddling your BS, Marv.
You don't get it do you? It's one thing to say you are skeptical it's another thing to insinuate that if we lynch Kaylyn = hitting scum. Based on what? What you've deemed as an unlikely role? You have nothing to go on rather than your hard on for Jule's survival.
The fact that there appears to be SOME vanilla's in this game gives the mafia the perfect opportunity NOT to claim a role but you don't seem to acknowledge this, either.
At this point there's two eligible paths I am taking this day phase. Lynching Jules or Lynching Terry Marvin. We can come together as a town to figure out which is the best option but one of them gets lynched or the scum QT throws a party and we're not invited.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 19:14:42 GMT -4
lynch me!
For the love of God Lynch Me!
If you'd like, I can character claim....get modkilled and move this thing along faster!
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 19:16:39 GMT -4
EBWOP...
Unfortunately, the only thing either one of those two options will do is prove my innocence when I come back town...
I must say kudos to KJE and L1 at a SPLENDIDLY played Scum game thus far. I applaud you both.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 19:18:10 GMT -4
Either way, I'm out for the rest of the day.
If you guys decide to lynch me and when I come back town... Look at KJE and L1 tonight.
OR when you decide to lynch Jules and HE comes back town.... look at KJE and L1 tonight, as I'm sure to be killed for outing them.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 16, 2012 19:19:46 GMT -4
I am not lynching you. I am voting for Jules. I don't trust someone who encourages their own death. Since you're not enjoying your time here, I think we should extend it for a few days. Playing with a three person scum team imploding in front of your eyes must be stressful and dampening on the Christmas spirit, LOL!
I'm done with you. Come back when you have something of worth. You're wasting our time.
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 16, 2012 19:22:30 GMT -4
Wow... Why you got to be such an asshole in these games? Seriously.
I'm not on a scum team... and you know it, that's why you're afraid of lynching me. At least when Jules comes back town, you'll be able to pass it off as "Oh he was set up" which is probably true cause you're setting him up.
But whatever, nobody will believe me and the town will lose because of it. Perhaps I should character claim... save jules... really have people looking at you guys tonight.
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Post by Jules on Dec 16, 2012 19:23:45 GMT -4
Lester, there is a Grand Canyon between aggressive play and defensive play. Your ultra-defensive reply when I suggested the town be mindful about following unquestioningly the lead taken by someone who hasn't been cleared as town. That you got your hackles up over that comment (in which I never said I thought Kaylyn wasn't town, but that the town should be wary) is nothing to do with being aggressive; it smacks of someone who has very quickly got hot and bothered because someone dared to question their status.
Here's the thing: you can pump out that 'I'm aggressive and I call out BS' line, but we're all entitled to do the same. If I'm going down, you'll be damned if you think I'm giving anyone who is part of my lynch a free ride.
If I am lynched, I'm not saying everyone on it is scum, but I'll do my utmost to ensure the town is in a position to try and recover from what will be a grave mistake. That means calling out everything and everyone I see as trying to earn a free ride on potentially dubious information.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 16, 2012 19:32:42 GMT -4
Alright, Jules. Your read is your read. You can call it whatever you want. As I said, I am voting to lynch you and if I'm wrong then I encourage any night actions that will follow.
Terry, I am not voting to lynch you because there is a recruiter in the game. And... considering your recent play, it's not hard to see why I am voting for Jules.
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 19:37:48 GMT -4
Anybody? Please? Lol
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 16, 2012 19:38:28 GMT -4
You didn't as far as I can tell. |
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Post by Jules on Dec 16, 2012 19:50:50 GMT -4
I’m going to bed now and I’ll be at work until 8pm GMT tomorrow, so I expect to be lynched by then. So it’s share time.
I’m not going to roleclaim (although some will probably guess from what follows), I’ll leave that jaw-dropping surprise for all of you townies to face palm yourselves for backing this lynch. But I will share the limited night info I have gained.
Sally Talfourd was not recruited night 1, but I cannot confirm whether or not she is the mafia recruiter.
Targeted myself night 2. Didn’t learn anything useful.
Targeted A.C. Smith night 3, thinking the scum would set me up by having him killed (leaning towards him being town at that time, despite his opposition to me). I also hoped the cop, if there is one, would target me, and by doing this I would be able to either clear or convict A.C. I suppose I could have targeted Kaylyn, it was a coin toss really. Hindsight is a beautiful thing though and I probably could have saved a lot of hassle had I targeted Kaylyn – would have confirmed whether her claims are true at least.
Alas, it seems the cop didn’t target me and A.C. passed the night without consequence. I’d keep that info on the front of your mind. A.C. has engaged in some of the most dubious reasoning in this game. As the day began I was convinced he was scum rather than Buckson Gooch.
FYI, I voted Buckson and unvoted Buckson to see what reaction it would provoked. It provoked little; right now I’m leaning towards Buckson as a rookie who is still trying to work out the game, A.C. as the probable scum member. He couldn’t even be bothered to cite his own arguments, but got straight on that bandwagon this day.
Johnny Rebel. Highly suspect bandwagon vote, and he’s flying way under the radar. Somebody check him out if you can.
Kaylyn & Level-One. Last day I had these two down as certain townies, going along with Kaylyn’s lie detector hints. However, her being vocal and explicit about her target and the subsequent roleblock is either bad play, or too convenient. That she was quick to confirm L-1 as town on day 2, has being trying to lead the town along with him, and this whole roleblock tactic is classic L-1, one that has been discussed in a game when I’ve played as scum with L-1, doesn’t sit right. Level-One is doing his usual aggressive defence, even though nobody had fingered him as being scum (just raised a question about the ‘cleared’ claims) is highly suspect.
Kaylyn’s play is less suspect than Level-One’s, but if the latter flips scum then, by extension, she needs to be the focus of attention. If there is a cop, you know where to look tonight.
But Kaylyn has cleared others, you protest. It’s easy to clear known town players when you’re mafia. Clear your strongest scum friend first, then clear a couple of people you know are town next to earn yourself some credibility later in the game. It’s a nice move.
I’ll address one further thing Level-One has said. That is the accusation that I have ignored the fact that I would be an early target along with himself, Marv, Sally, JamesV, yet I haven’t been killed. This argument might have some weight to it if some or all of those personalities had been killed, but since they are still alive the argument has no legs to stand on, since it can be used to cast doubt on each and every one of us.
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Post by Jules on Dec 16, 2012 19:53:15 GMT -4
EBWOP
I typed that quickly, trying to beat the hammer, so one imprecision that needs to be rectified.
I said A.C. passed last night without consequence. This isn't correct. A.C. Smith wasn't acted upon last night, I should have written. I have no idea what A.C. might have done last night if he has a power.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 19:54:23 GMT -4
Crud. What now? Totally confused. Totally.
Unvote: Jules
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 16, 2012 20:15:31 GMT -4
I’m going to bed now and I’ll be at work until 8pm GMT tomorrow, so I expect to be lynched by then. So it’s share time. I’m not going to roleclaim (although some will probably guess from what follows), I’ll leave that jaw-dropping surprise for all of you townies to face palm yourselves for backing this lynch. But I will share the limited night info I have gained. Sally Talfourd was not recruited night 1, but I cannot confirm whether or not she is the mafia recruiter. Targeted myself night 2. Didn’t learn anything useful. Targeted A.C. Smith night 3, thinking the scum would set me up by having him killed (leaning towards him being town at that time, despite his opposition to me). I also hoped the cop, if there is one, would target me, and by doing this I would be able to either clear or convict A.C. I suppose I could have targeted Kaylyn, it was a coin toss really. Hindsight is a beautiful thing though and I probably could have saved a lot of hassle had I targeted Kaylyn – would have confirmed whether her claims are true at least. Alas, it seems the cop didn’t target me and A.C. passed the night without consequence. I’d keep that info on the front of your mind. A.C. has engaged in some of the most dubious reasoning in this game. As the day began I was convinced he was scum rather than Buckson Gooch. FYI, I voted Buckson and unvoted Buckson to see what reaction it would provoked. It provoked little; right now I’m leaning towards Buckson as a rookie who is still trying to work out the game, A.C. as the probable scum member. He couldn’t even be bothered to cite his own arguments, but got straight on that bandwagon this day. Johnny Rebel. Highly suspect bandwagon vote, and he’s flying way under the radar. Somebody check him out if you can. Kaylyn & Level-One. Last day I had these two down as certain townies, going along with Kaylyn’s lie detector hints. However, her being vocal and explicit about her target and the subsequent roleblock is either bad play, or too convenient. That she was quick to confirm L-1 as town on day 2, has being trying to lead the town along with him, and this whole roleblock tactic is classic L-1, one that has been discussed in a game when I’ve played as scum with L-1, doesn’t sit right. Level-One is doing his usual aggressive defence, even though nobody had fingered him as being scum (just raised a question about the ‘cleared’ claims) is highly suspect. Kaylyn’s play is less suspect than Level-One’s, but if the latter flips scum then, by extension, she needs to be the focus of attention. If there is a cop, you know where to look tonight. But Kaylyn has cleared others, you protest. It’s easy to clear known town players when you’re mafia. Clear your strongest scum friend first, then clear a couple of people you know are town next to earn yourself some credibility later in the game. It’s a nice move. I’ll address one further thing Level-One has said. That is the accusation that I have ignored the fact that I would be an early target along with himself, Marv, Sally, JamesV, yet I haven’t been killed. This argument might have some weight to it if some or all of those personalities had been killed, but since they are still alive the argument has no legs to stand on, since it can be used to cast doubt on each and every one of us. Just to clear something up that Jules conveniently forgot to mention: During the previous day phase, I mentioned that, unless someone else was fingered as scum, my vote was staying on Jules. When no information surfaced, I stayed true to my word. Now, that's being painted as me bandwagoning, and that's simply not true. I'm not thrown off by this post. SalTal made a very, very similar post in the Annoying Celebrities game when she was scum to try and throw people off the scent. It was long, it had plenty of lies in it, and it worked in getting people away from her as the target of a lynch. I think Jules is a very good player. I have a ton of respect for him in these games. But I also think this is a last-ditch Hail Mary to try and save himself. As such, my vote isn't changing. |
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Post by Speede on Dec 16, 2012 20:29:10 GMT -4
Okay, this all is a whole hell of a lot to take in, and I've just got a few thoughts.
1) I'm 95% sure on Kaylyn being town, and 80% sure on L1 being town. Kaylyn was able to clear me, and unless she was just saying that as a way of trying to get me off her case, since I am indeed a town, I'm willing to put my ass on the line to say she's town too. If she says L1 is town, I'm going to buy it, since I'm trusting what KJE is saying with this one, since, as I said, she cleared me.
2) Nobody is coming forth with something concrete, and it's pissing me off. T-Marv says he has nothing, and then starts after KJE and L1, and that makes me suspicious because he is hardcore bodyguarding Jules right now it looks like, and I'd be willing to bet T-Marv is scum. Assumption- 60%. A bit better odds than a 50/50 flip, but he's been seemingly avoiding shit all game, and that looks suspicious.
3) Jules has been targeted for two days, and we haven't gotten enough votes to lynch him. Either we lynch him or we don't, but we need to agree on SOMEONE to lynch, and right now he seems like the candidate I'd be most willing to put under the guillotine, whether he turns up scum or not. This is day four and nobody has given us concrete evidence on ANYTHING, and we haven't even had a single lynch, mislynch, or any of it! GAHHH!
4) Jeff and Finnish Phenom- Um... Well? I'm willing to buy that Phenom's town if Jeff's town, but has anybody cleared Jeff?
In conclusion... I'm sitting here trying to decide who to vote. I could go after T-Marv because of his hiding style of play so far and his suspicious targeting of someone who's been able to clear town two of three nights while getting roleblocked the third, or I could vote Jules, who has been blamed multiple times and seems pretty suspicious if you ask me...
Someone convince me to vote one or the other, please.
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 20:31:56 GMT -4
Why are we ignoring the "play style" of Gooch?
In the above-said sentence, the term "play style" can obviously be replaced with "scum play"...
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Post by Speede on Dec 16, 2012 20:41:09 GMT -4
Why are we ignoring the "play style" of Gooch? In the above-said sentence, the term "play style" can obviously be replaced with "scum play"... Simply put, and no offense to Gooch here... If he's as new to this as he's pushing himself as being, there's no doubt in my mind a scum team with any common sense would be advising him a lot better than doing this badly from the confines of the scum QT. Repeatedly his novice level of play has come to be the subject of posts, and I can't verify that he's not scum, but I think that if the scum wanted to keep their team alive, they'd tell him to sit back a bit more, shut up unless he has to speak, and most of all not bandwagon, vote-jump, etc. |
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Post by Speede on Dec 16, 2012 20:42:26 GMT -4
EBWOP
and yes, I just want to stress this since that was very strongly worded, I don't mean that in an offensive way to you, Gooch, or to anyone!
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 20:48:55 GMT -4
No worries, Speede. You were very accurate. I'm not very good at this. I'm sure I'll pick it up eventually.
Phenom, I can understand why you might think I'm scum because of my terrible play, but I assure you I am town. I've asked for people to check me and I know I'd be cleared as Town. I still do. I'm town 100%.
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 20:49:39 GMT -4
I can see where you're coming from. However...
Aren't I "new" too?
If it were the other way around, would that still be used as an excuse? Or would the fact that I am using "mafia terms/words" shed a little light on me possibly being an "experienced player"?
I think the whole "new guy" and "play style" excuses are outplayed and old news. In my eyes, he's playing like he's scum. Since I've been cleared (can anyone clear Jeff for me to prove it?), I'm going to push for his lynch, because I see him using these excuses to his advantage, and staying alive based on those reasons (unless we lynch him).
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 20:49:46 GMT -4
What are the updated vote totals?
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 20:52:07 GMT -4
Well, some have an aptitude for games like this, and Phenom, you may have picked up on this quicker than I have.
Why are you gunning for me so hard, you've been doing it for two days now. No evidence against me and all it is is you don't like how I play.
What have I said that would make you think I'm scum? Please be specific so I can learn from this.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 21:28:59 GMT -4
Bleh, don't care anymore. But feel free to keep gunning at me.
I'm town. Your advances just will hurt town and keep focus off of scum.
We need some action.
vote:Jules
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 21:43:01 GMT -4
^^ Is this not considered double/triple posting?
EBWOP, bro... Means Edit by way of post. Use it, keeps you out of trouble.
I've seen you double post a few times, which is regularly ignored... But TJ is an asshole, he'll kill you.
...okay, TJs not so bad.
And as far as you go... Once Jules was made to look like scum, you jumped his nuts faster than a stripper on a rich man. And it snowballed from there.
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 21:44:38 GMT -4
EBWOP
Your aggression has really been uncalled for. You pushed the lynch right away, look back on it.
...and yes, I "EBWOP'ed" to be an asshole and use it as an example. Lol
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 16, 2012 21:54:51 GMT -4
I appreciate the help, sorry about double posting  I'll work on that. If you look back, you'll see Jules jumped on me first and then it was "on" from there. I genuinely think he's scum just from various things he's said. What AC said further cemented it for me. If Jules is not, if he ever comes to Texas, I'll buy him a steak dinner as a way of apology. If he is scum, the noob got lucky and called him out. |
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 16, 2012 23:03:44 GMT -4
What about me? Can I have a steak?
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I'll work on that.
