DIE HARD MAFIA DISCUSSION THREAD (DAY 8)

[T-Marv]

Jan 16, 2013 0:11:54 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Jan 16, 2013 0:09:48 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

All I've got is what I posted above. And I wouldn't be pushing as hard, coming out, claiming my role, explaining each and every facet as I know it to be true, with ONE vote on me if I wasn't telling the truth.

You guys are wasting your time. I'm town, have done nothing but try to clear my name (especially lately), and I've done it in the name of helping the town win the game.

Like I said, if enough people think I'm lying and Chaz is telling the truth, I'll be happy to vote for myself, lynch myself, and show you guys, the hard way, that I'm town. At least then you'll know where to look next.

Yeah, you can look my way, because I THINK something. Because it's wrong for people to THINK something. Because we should all be drones, unable to THINK something.

...said Hitler.

Jesus Christ there are times I HATE playing mafia with you cause you're so god damn over agressive it makes Level One look like a neutered puppy dog!

[Nathaniel Havok]

Jan 16, 2013 0:13:55 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Jan 16, 2013 0:11:54 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Yeah, you can look my way, because I THINK something. Because it's wrong for people to THINK something. Because we should all be drones, unable to THINK something.

...said Hitler.

Jesus Christ there are times I HATE playing mafia with you cause you're so god damn over agressive it makes Level One look like a neutered puppy dog!

I love you, too.

Secondly, how has he come out with more info than I have? I've came out EVERY day phase, with my night results (on nights I do indeed have a result).

[T-Marv]

Day 1 - Blocked
Day 3 - Did "something" to Smith didn't work

How does that constitute as "info?"

[Nathaniel Havok]

Jan 16, 2013 0:24:30 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Day 1 - Blocked
Day 3 - Did "something" to Smith didn't work

How does that constitute as "info?"

True. However, I've had no problem telling people what I've done/what I've had happen to me. Never in the game. However, he's given us what... A claim? A claim that could be a blatant lie...

Sounds logical to me.

For real though, Marv... I agree. If he were to come out and give us better explanation, I might ease up. But he continues to dodge and avoid, and pass the blame onto me and someone else who's already got 1 vote against them. He has no solid ground, where I actually do. I've been honest since day one, given all the info I can (even info that I shouldn't have just to protect my own ass), and done it all for the benefit of the town. He hasn't even come close.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Honestly, I'm chalking the whole Chaz/AC thing off to the chip on AC's shoulder that he spoke about and Chaz's ultra-agressive play. It was bound to happen between them. It may be only one game, but Chaz was uber focused on Gooch for some reason, would back off and then go back at him.

Do I think one of them is anti-town? Maybe. Depending on what comes of AC's recent reveal, I think we'll figure out which of them is that. I'm finding it hard ot believe that based off one result, Chaz knows his role enough to understand the second result when prior to it he said he has an unusual role. I'm not trying to take a dig at him intellectually, but that's my thinking.

Jules, I'm inclined that it's flavor, solely because the only way you could stop him in the movie would have been telling him that you won't be saving anyone if your dead, hence, the roleblock theory I have.

I'm starting to believe that Holly is a mafia roleblocker and that the Hans "blocked" kill on Takagi was flavor.

Which means the mafia had a Rolecop, roleblocker, and the GF. We got a SK and possibly a cult, maybe a surviving third party, I know I was gonna have Solomon Grundy in Batman as a surviving third party.

[T-Marv]

SURVIVOR!!!!

I didn't even think of that TJ! There's another one it could be, perhaps.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Also, i believe in your annoying celebs 2 game T-Marv you had a hider, which is a commuter right?, and KJE was able to hide from investigation and other stuff.

[T-Marv]

For the love of pete, can people stop changing Screen Names? It's fucking annoying as hell!!!!

[T-Marv]

Jan 16, 2013 0:33:23 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Also, i believe in your annoying celebs 2 game T-Marv you had a hider, which is a commuter right?, and KJE was able to hide from investigation and other stuff.

When I think "Commuter" I think Bus Driver. Perhaps I'm reading TOO much into that and have tunnel vision on the Commuter thing.

Anytime I ran a Commuter in one of my games it always acted like BUS DRIVER!

[Michael Jennings]

Vote: Domingo

I think he's Ellis. It's the only explanation for Ellis going off the deep end and not appearing for as long as Deas has been inactive. Coincidence? I think not.

Also this arguing is getting nowhere. I think it's two townies arguing over something pointless and it's distracting but that's just my take on things.

[T-Marv]

I was in fact confusing Commuter and Bus Driver.

I apologize for that AC.... That makes a LOT more sense now.

[T-Marv]

Jan 16, 2013 0:37:48 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Vote: Domingo

I think he's Ellis. It's the only explanation for Ellis going off the deep end and not appearing for as long as Deas has been inactive. Coincidence? I think not.

Also this arguing is getting nowhere. I think it's two townies arguing over something pointless and it's distracting but that's just my take on things.

It's really just a hunch vote though isn't it?

Honestly, it's really the only thing we've got to go on right now, and a fairly safe bet based on the writeups. I'd like to give him time to speak up though....

I think somebody should look at Chaz tonight though...his uber aggressiveness and VAGUE info worries me.

[Nathaniel Havok]

So what now, does this mean that my "inconclusive read" was just because of his role?

[Nathaniel Havok]

And yes, watch me tonight. Somebody look into me. Everybody look into me, if you want. I have nothing to hide. If I can use my role this night phase, I will, and I will let EVERYBODY know exactly what I did. If anyone then watched me, they can confirm my truth, and clear me. I have no issue with that whatsoever.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Jan 16, 2013 0:40:13 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Jan 16, 2013 0:37:48 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Vote: Domingo

I think he's Ellis. It's the only explanation for Ellis going off the deep end and not appearing for as long as Deas has been inactive. Coincidence? I think not.

Also this arguing is getting nowhere. I think it's two townies arguing over something pointless and it's distracting but that's just my take on things.

It's really just a hunch vote though isn't it?

Honestly, it's really the only thing we've got to go on right now, and a fairly safe bet based on the writeups. I'd like to give him time to speak up though....

I think somebody should look at Chaz tonight though...his uber aggressiveness and VAGUE info worries me.

This, although its the vagueness of his role moreso for me, he was uber aggressive, almost to a fault to the town, in Batman.

The more I think about it, and it would have helped if he was in the write up doing this, but I'm thinking Ellis is a survivor, I honestly haven't seen the movie in a long time, but it makes sense, a weaselly sales man type doing everything he can do to keep alive.

[A.C. Smith]

Jan 16, 2013 0:37:53 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

I was in fact confusing Commuter and Bus Driver.

I apologize for that AC.... That makes a LOT more sense now.

No worries. I'm just happy we're on the same page. If anyone saw my posts as distracting, I apologize, but when I'm backed up against a wall, I stop at nothing to try and clear myself.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Okay, let me see if I've got this right.

A.C. - You're a "commuter", and I would get an "inconclusive result" because you're commuting THAT SAME NIGHT, or just because of your role period?

[A.C. Smith]

Jan 16, 2013 1:04:40 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Okay, let me see if I've got this right.

A.C. - You're a "commuter", and I would get an "inconclusive result" because you're commuting THAT SAME NIGHT, or just because of your role period?

Going to bed soon. That said, I'll tackle this in the morning.

[Michael Callahan]

VOTE COUNT
Domingo - 3 (Mark Mania, A.C. Smith, JamesV)
A.C. Smith - 1 (Chaz)

WITH 11 PLAYERS ALIVE, IT TAKES SIX TO CREATE A LYNCH

[Jules]

Jan 16, 2013 0:37:48 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Vote: Domingo

I think he's Ellis. It's the only explanation for Ellis going off the deep end and not appearing for as long as Deas has been inactive. Coincidence? I think not.

Also this arguing is getting nowhere. I think it's two townies arguing over something pointless and it's distracting but that's just my take on things.

FoS: JamesV

You've said hardly a thing all game, now you come in and jump on what appears to be the easy bandwagon lynch. If that isn't suspect I don't know what is.

The reasoning for this Domingo is absurd, since it is based entirely on a hunch. Anyway, this can be easily resolved: if Domingo doesn't reply before the end of the phase, we can either quick lynch him then, or he will be mod-killed....if he isn't mod-killed and he hasn't talked, then we can be said to have some certainty. Until then, this whole thing stinks of a quick lynch of a possible inactive townie to get through the day phase as quickly as possible.

This to me suggests there may be more in the Chaz/A.C. spat than meets the eye.

* * *

A.C. would you be so kind as to clarify something about your role? You said 'sometimes' you leave town (being the commuter) - what are the conditions of this occasional leaving?

[Mark Mania]

To me that whole post seems like Jules trying to detract from the Domingo lynch. AC and Havok seems to be Havok being over aggressive and people not understanding Smiths role.

I think a hunch is enough to go on with Domingo because of how little any third party is involved and how this role was replaced rather than mod-killed. I know it's early in the game but 7/2/1/1 it makes sense to want to replace one of the 2/1/1.

The Havok/Smith thing will get figured out, but I feel like a hunch and educated guess are good on Domingo.

[T-Marv]

Vote: Domingo

He's had plenty of time to check in and this "hunch" is the best thing we got so far.

[A.C. Smith]

OK, time to answer some questions from last night.

Jan 16, 2013 1:04:40 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Okay, let me see if I've got this right.

A.C. - You're a "commuter", and I would get an "inconclusive result" because you're commuting THAT SAME NIGHT, or just because of your role period?

As a commuter, I would only be protected on nights I commute.

Jan 16, 2013 6:16:36 GMT -4 Jules said:

A.C. would you be so kind as to clarify something about your role? You said 'sometimes' you leave town (being the commuter) - what are the conditions of this occasional leaving?

I leave on set nights during the game. I won't tell you what nights I commute, but those nights were fixed at the start of the game.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Ac question. Did you commute on either night 1 or night 2.

[Level-Two]

Vote: Domingo

The reason for my vote has already been detailed in my first post of the day. I agree with Mark in that it appears that Jules has been stalling this and has gone crazy in painting almost everyone on it as suspect. If Jules is anti town - he's probably not purple because there appears to be only one. So, if he is scum - I think it's a case of the mafia wanting to keep another party out there and alive. He's done nothing yet but Domingo/ JC is no mafia slouch.

As for Domingo, he's in a hole he didn't even create. However, he had his chance as far as mafia is concerned. I checked and he hasn't even been online for two days but to me it's irrelevant because I am pretty sure about this vote. This is vote five as I count it. It's now up to whomever the Hammer is to decide if they want to play this day phase out longer.

[A.C. Smith]

Jan 16, 2013 9:47:51 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Ac question. Did you commute on either night 1 or night 2.

Yes.

[Jules]

Jan 16, 2013 9:32:35 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

I leave on set nights during the game.

That's all I needed to know.

Jan 16, 2013 9:32:35 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

I won't tell you what nights I commute, but those nights were fixed at the start of the game.

I wasn't expecting you to.

Jan 16, 2013 9:19:36 GMT -4 Mark Mania said:

To me that whole post seems like Jules trying to detract from the Domingo lynch. AC and Havok seems to be Havok being over aggressive and people not understanding Smiths role.

I think a hunch is enough to go on with Domingo because of how little any third party is involved and how this role was replaced rather than mod-killed. I know it's early in the game but 7/2/1/1 it makes sense to want to replace one of the 2/1/1.

The Havok/Smith thing will get figured out, but I feel like a hunch and educated guess are good on Domingo.

Jan 16, 2013 9:55:28 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Vote: Domingo
I agree with Mark in that it appears that Jules has been stalling this and has gone crazy in painting almost everyone on it as suspect. If Jules is anti town - he's probably not purple because there appears to be only one. So, if he is scum - I think it's a case of the mafia wanting to keep another party out there and alive. He's done nothing yet but Domingo/ JC is no mafia slouch.

Give me a break. This lynch is a plain dumb move at this stage. There is absolutely no rationale to it whatsoever, even more so if the guy hasn't been online.

I'm not stalling, I've said speed lynch Domingo if he hasn't replied before the last few hours of the phase. The only factions a speed lynch suits are those up to no good during the night. The game will naturally take care of the inactives.

And spare me Lester, I've hardly been going crazy about painting everyone on this wagon as suspect. I made one comment about Mania, pointed out the scummy behaviour of Smith advocating the lynch, then suddenly backing off and jumping onto Chaz (not the only one to see that either), and a FoSed James because he's done nothing substantial in this game except for jump on this wagon - which is based entirely on supposition and fraction of circumstantial evidence.

If that's your definition of 'going crazy' then Lord help us. What is crazy is this town working off desperation, using hunches and hope.

[Level-Two]

Before this phase ends... there was a lot of hooplah over the AC's commuter claim. It's basic as fuck. It's not that complicated, folks.

wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

Read up on it. As for Chaz if your information is legit - I'm sure you've noted the convenience of AC Smith having this role. His claim are the types of claims you make when you're caught scum without a town role.

Effectively, AC Smith has explained away why any investigations - tracks - role blocks will wield inconclusive results. In the same breath - gives himself cover for why he'll probably never be night killed.

Though, I'm aware it's entirely possible that he is actually a town commuter which is why I voted for Domingo today. However, if he's scum and we believe him then he's literally golden.

And spare me Lester, I've hardly been going crazy about painting everyone on this wagon as suspect. I made one comment about Mania, pointed out the scummy behaviour of Smith advocating the lynch, then suddenly backing off and jumping onto Chaz (not the only one to see that either), and a FoSed James because he's done nothing substantial in this game except for jump on this wagon - which is based entirely on supposition and fraction of circumstantial evidence.

Well, then I'm glad we agree - even if you don't think so.

Here's my rationale - I think he's purple. Given the absence of the character in the write up is in direct correlation with the absence of our dear friend Bryan Deas - it's enough for me. Even when Deas was active he was inactive - saying as little as possible because he was anti town and on his own. Terry Marvin says this wasn't his first mafia game either which means he has some legitimate interest in the concept of the game.

So, given the fact I seriously think this ''hutch'' will give us purple scum... what is Domingo going to tell me that is suddenly supposed to change my mind? That his name is indeed orange instead of purple? Is he going to drop some information we all haven't heard leading us to the scum? Is he going to clear himself?

Nothing short of a role claim would and even then....

But hey, here's the kicker. If he flips anything but purple mafia then have at it hoss. There's night actions out there that can clear me. So, I'm not losing any sleep over how you feel about this lynch.

[Pepsi]

Jan 16, 2013 0:43:22 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

And yes, watch me tonight. Somebody look into me. Everybody look into me, if you want. I have nothing to hide. If I can use my role this night phase, I will, and I will let EVERYBODY know exactly what I did. If anyone then watched me, they can confirm my truth, and clear me. I have no issue with that whatsoever.

[Pepsi]

Sorry my above post was meant to say more, but my computer was acting stupid. What I was going to say is this,

I find it odd that Havok said he will tell us exactly what he did if someone watches him next night phase, but so far has been quite vague about his "inconclusive" result on AC.

If someone said they watched you last night would you tell us exactly what you did to AC that brought an inconclusive result?