Game of Thrones Mafia - Day 3 (17 Alive)

[Buckson Gooch]

So let's fill this out and see what we have so far. I may miss some stuff so help me out:

1. TJ - Dead - Confirmed 3rd Party
2. Pepsi
3. Jules
4. JamesV
5. Gooch - Confirmed town
6. Mark Mania
7. CJ Gates
8. Callahan
9. KJE
10. Pancho - Dead - Confirmed Town
11. Shields - Great Potential for Town due to claim for not being recruited
12. Knuckles - Dead - Confirmed Town...looking back over this. This was an awful lynch. I'm embarrassed that I was the hammer vote. He was playing scummy but came clean and Kash's comments should've cleared him, especially with Kash being town and verifying what Knux had said was true. Someone who is more experienced than me should go back and look at what I'm saying. Who was championing that? 11 of us put votes on, but who was pushing it hard?
13. Rebel
14. Kash Dead - Confirmed town
15. Level-One
16. Rasin Kain(Speed)
17. Havok - Dead - Confirmed Town
18. Talon
19. Noble
20. Matt Stone - Great Potential for Town due to claim for not being recruited

Having looked over everything. A name that continually sticks out as being on board, vocally, with the bad lynches and causing distractions is Pepsi.

F.O.S.: Pepsi

If you have any information, or if anyone has any information. It's time to bring it forward. We've played around long enough. We still have a doctor out there and we still have informative roles. We've already lost enough townies putting us in not the best position.

[Pepsi]

Gooch,

First of all, I was on board with one bad lynch that has happened, and many others including the people you listed as confirmed town were on board with it as well.

Secondly, I was also one to admit being unaligned on day 1 and defaulting to town. Strange you would take this as a semi confirmation for Shields and Stone, but not me.

Thirdly, you say I am causing distractions. Distractions from what I ask? There is nothing happening in this game right now. I am one of the only ones trying to do anything. At least I can say Mark is doing something. He may be against me, but at least he is around.

I have nothing against you. I am for you, more than you know. You are town, and I want you in this game. Don't fall victim to joining in on a mislynch that will hurt you in the end. If you lynch me, you will understand why it was such a bad idea. Be smart Gooch.

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 28, 2013 12:18:33 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

Gooch,

First of all, I was on board with one bad lynch that has happened, and many others including the people you listed as confirmed town were on board with it as well.

Secondly, I was also one to admit being unaligned on day 1 and defaulting to town. Strange you would take this as a semi confirmation for Shields and Stone, but not me.

Thirdly, you say I am causing distractions. Distractions from what I ask? There is nothing happening in this game right now. I am one of the only ones trying to do anything. At least I can say Mark is doing something. He may be against me, but at least he is around.

I have nothing against you. I am for you, more than you know. You are town, and I want you in this game. Don't fall victim to joining in on a mislynch that will hurt you in the end. If you lynch me, you will understand why it was such a bad idea. Be smart Gooch.

This is why I'm not voting Pepsi. Shields, Stone, Pepsi, and myself all came out saying the same thing so I will not be voting for any of those three players for that reason.

[Buckson Gooch]

Mar 28, 2013 12:18:33 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

Gooch,

First of all, I was on board with one bad lynch that has happened, and many others including the people you listed as confirmed town were on board with it as well.

Secondly, I was also one to admit being unaligned on day 1 and defaulting to town. Strange you would take this as a semi confirmation for Shields and Stone, but not me.

Thirdly, you say I am causing distractions. Distractions from what I ask? There is nothing happening in this game right now. I am one of the only ones trying to do anything. At least I can say Mark is doing something. He may be against me, but at least he is around.

I have nothing against you. I am for you, more than you know. You are town, and I want you in this game. Don't fall victim to joining in on a mislynch that will hurt you in the end. If you lynch me, you will understand why it was such a bad idea. Be smart Gooch.

Hey bro, don't get your panties in a wad. I just wanted a response. I wasn't going to throw a vote on you. There isn't enough evidence. I just pointed out something that looked interesting to me.

We need solid information. We still have people with roles. Why are people not stepping up and clearing folks? This is crazy.

[C.J. Gates]

Mar 28, 2013 12:24:09 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

This is why I'm not voting Pepsi. Shields, Stone, Pepsi, and myself all came out saying the same thing so I will not be voting for any of those three players for that reason.

Same with me. Them coming out day one is about the only information we seem to have right now so unless something damning comes out, I won't be voting for them.

If Gooch wasn't confirmed town I'd want to throw suspicion on him for trying to pin Pepsi with something (based off of the fact that Shields and Stone were listed as good potential but not Pepsi).

[Pepsi]

Panties aren't in a wad Gooch. You said you were suspicious of me, and I presented reasons why you shouldn't be suspicious of me. I am on your side. If someone says they are suspicious of me, I am going to defend myself. This is not getting my panties in a wad it's defending myself so that you no longer suspect me.

[Buckson Gooch]

Mar 28, 2013 12:38:54 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

Panties aren't in a wad Gooch. You said you were suspicious of me, and I presented reasons why you shouldn't be suspicious of me. I am on your side. If someone says they are suspicious of me, I am going to defend myself. This is not getting my panties in a wad it's defending myself so that you no longer suspect me.

Okay, no more FOS on Pepsi. For 2 reasons.

1) His response made perfect sense. My apologies for the misread. Still new and trying to figure things out.

2) You said panties twice in one post and that made me laugh. And some would get a kick out of the fact that you said Gooch and panties twice.

[Buckson Gooch]

James said he and Pepsi claimed they were in line with Stone and Shields, so I did some digging.

Mar 23, 2013 4:32:58 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Mar 22, 2013 19:53:06 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I'm likely going to die by saying this, but it might shed some light on things

Day 1 I was pure vanilla. I had no alignment, no role and no win condition. I'm guessing a number of people had the same "role" I did. So I'm guessing there were X amount of people who were potential recruits for a specific side. I was not recruited, so I'm now town with a new "role". In my opinion, that role can be lost for town to still win, so that's why I'm bringing this up despite the obvious target this will put on me. Now that I have been assigned new statistics, I'm guessing everyone has been as well. So there might not have been any options to kill night one, and instead people were given the chance to recruit. Now that that is over, I'm guessing the sides are "full" now and the killing will start night 2.

I have no idea what's going on with the Khaleesi.

The people who are suspicious of this post and are skeptical about it are the ones I don't think are town. That's my opinion thus far of the recruiting comments. Jules is at the top of the list for suspects in my opinion just for his reaction to the quoted post above.

Also I don't think there was a kill, only recruitments. Kills will likely start tonight now ta the recruiting has happened.

Mar 23, 2013 16:09:22 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Mar 23, 2013 15:38:59 GMT -4 Reaver said:

james, ur full of shit and have no evidence that proves otherwise other than ur rants. ive put it all out there and STILL you doubt me. meanwhile the 3rd party and mafia scum teams r laughing it up. i dont think YOU have the clue at the moment. like i said if it helps u sleep at nite lynch me and see im rite OR tj can confirm wat he did to me and prove me rite that way too. idc either way.

The only person full of it in this entire game is you. You didn't put ANYTHING out there other than tagetting me. I SPECIFICALLY named the exact town alignment by name, pointed out that the most of the players were unaligned day one, AND pointed out every hole in your story. This isn't rocket science to figure out yet you STILL do not get it because you STILL don't know how to play mafia without roleclaiming, without quoting PM's, without flaming, etc. because you don't know the game mechanics which is mind boggling to me. Most of he players were UNALIGNED day one. Got it? Good. Now let's move on. Last night there were recruitments. Two of the three non-town factions recruited. All of the non-recruited players became TOWN, aka Seven Kingdoms, day two which is what happened to me and a few others have mentionned that it happened to them too. Fact is you still don't get it and I'm not going to waste my time teaching Mafia 101 to someone who cannot comprehend something that has been said time after time by multiple people.

That was pretty rough. Considering Knuckles was telling the truth and all.

For Pepsi...

Mar 23, 2013 11:22:25 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

Mar 23, 2013 10:35:16 GMT -4 Reaver said:

havok r u blind? not once did i say i didnt have a role, at this point ur role fishing.

FOS: Havok

i can prove wat i say is true soon as somebody confirms that i was checked. chances r that if the cop checked themselves for sanity then its safe to say that gooch isnt the cop (sorry had to say it lol)

if i was THAT scummy, then y wasnt i tracked or watched? people r just trying to continue yesterdays arguement on me which doesnt help out today. today we need facts and i can push some if i get confirmed.

I was not continuing the last argument. I am wondering why Stone, Shields, and myself became town by default and you were supposedly recruited to the town.

Both of you were more subtle in claiming it happened to you than Shields and Stone were. Maybe that's just smart play as both of you are smart players or the fact that you are smart players you were able to blend yourselves into the conversation. I'm going to go with the former.

I guess that's good enough for me. You guys are right where Stone and Cam were in my book. I just wish we had more info.

Question for the 4 that were unaligned. Did you get your role after you were aligned or did you know your role and not your alignment?

1. TJ - Dead - Confirmed 3rd Party
2. Pepsi - Great Potential for Town due to claim for not being recruited
3. Jules
4. JamesV - Great Potential for Town due to claim for not being recruited
5. Gooch - Confirmed town
6. Mark Mania
7. CJ Gates
8. Callahan
9. KJE
10. Pancho - Dead - Confirmed Town
11. Shields - Great Potential for Town due to claim for not being recruited
12. Knuckles - Dead - Confirmed Town...looking back over this. This was an awful lynch. I'm embarrassed that I was the hammer vote. He was playing scummy but came clean and Kash's comments should've cleared him, especially with Kash being town and verifying what Knux had said was true. Someone who is more experienced than me should go back and look at what I'm saying. Who was championing that? 11 of us put votes on, but who was pushing it hard?
13. Rebel
14. Kash Dead - Confirmed town
15. Level-One
16. Rasin Kain(Speed)
17. Havok - Dead - Confirmed Town
18. Talon
19. Noble
20. Matt Stone - Great Potential for Town due to claim for not being recruited

[Chris Shields]

All I got from last night is that Talon didn't do anything. The problem is, neither one of the 3rd party groups did anything last night so all I can really say is that he's not Jamie Lannister.

[Chris Shields]

Gooch, I knew my role on day 1, but didn't have any alignment or ability until after night 1.

[Buckson Gooch]

Could you use your role that first night?

[Buckson Gooch]

EWBOP

I believe you are town. I'm just trying to understand. That could open some doors, nom'sayin?

[Level-Two]

Knuckles - Dead - Confirmed Town...looking back over this. This was an awful lynch. I'm embarrassed that I was the hammer vote. He was playing scummy but came clean and Kash's comments should've cleared him, especially with Kash being town and verifying what Knux had said was true. Someone who is more experienced than me should go back and look at what I'm saying. Who was championing that? 11 of us put votes on, but who was pushing it hard?

Well, it's important to note that it was actually TJ that supplied the ''80/20'' percent chance Knuckles was scum. Probably because he thought he was scum but scum in another faction because if it was a Town Vs. Mafia game that would have never happened.

Secondly, Jason Kash didn't come out with his info until after you hammered Knuckles and the lynch was already secure and done.

I'm sure there were anti town voters on that lynch but Knuckles by no means was a bad lynch at the time given what we knew.

Stone, JamesV and Chris Shields are solid bets for town. Anyone who claimed after that knew a enough information given by them to safely do so. It means nothing.

[Michael Jennings]

This has narrowed down the suspects list considerably. There's maybe 7 people we should be looking at.

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 28, 2013 13:01:51 GMT -4 Chris Shields said:

All I got from last night is that Talon didn't do anything. The problem is, neither one of the 3rd party groups did anything last night so all I can really say is that he's not Jamie Lannister.

He could be on a third party faction possibly.

[Buckson Gooch]

Mar 28, 2013 14:19:00 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Knuckles - Dead - Confirmed Town...looking back over this. This was an awful lynch. I'm embarrassed that I was the hammer vote. He was playing scummy but came clean and Kash's comments should've cleared him, especially with Kash being town and verifying what Knux had said was true. Someone who is more experienced than me should go back and look at what I'm saying. Who was championing that? 11 of us put votes on, but who was pushing it hard?

Well, it's important to note that it was actually TJ that supplied the ''80/20'' percent chance Knuckles was scum. Probably because he thought he was scum but scum in another faction because if it was a Town Vs. Mafia game that would have never happened.

Secondly, Jason Kash didn't come out with his info until after you hammered Knuckles and the lynch was already secure and done.

I'm sure there were anti town voters on that lynch but Knuckles by no means was a bad lynch at the time given what we knew.

Stone, JamesV and Chris Shields are solid bets for town. Anyone who claimed after that knew a enough information given by them to safely do so. It means nothing.

Good work guys.

Here is the modified list. Instead of "considered Town" I'm just going to put town. It may bite me later, but right now I feel like it's solid.

This isn't to say anything for or against Talon, but I know he has been out of town. He's been really quiet over in CRW and EFK's mafia as well b/c of that.

Pepsi - Town
Shields - Town
JamesV - Town
Gooch - Town
Shields - Town
Matt Stone - Town

Jules
Mark Mania
CJ Gates
Callahan
KJE
Rebel
Level-One
Rasin Kain(Speed)
Talon
Noble

TJ - Dead - Confirmed 3rd Party
Kash - Dead - Confirmed town
Pancho - Dead - Confirmed Town
Knuckles - Dead - Confirmed Town
Havok - Dead - Confirmed Town

I'm having trouble juggling numbers. How many could be scum and in the 2 third parties?

Shields, how did you know that TJ was 3rd party, again? How did Shields have that but no one else? Do we know of any other 3rd party people?

I know we have some information out there, don't be shy. We still have a doctor. I think we still have our cop. That should be 3 people you can clear right now, right? Clear the 3 and the Dr. will protect you...if they are smart.

Come on guys, let's get rolling.

[Buckson Gooch]

EWBOP - Shields did you say you couldn't use your ability on night one?

[Pepsi]

@gooch To be completely clear in the beginning I was told that I was unaligned with no specific role. After the first night I was told I was now town with a specific role.

[Buckson Gooch]

Mar 28, 2013 14:38:21 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

@gooch To be completely clear in the beginning I was told that I was unaligned with no specific role. After the first night I was told I was now town with a specific role.

Okay. Good. That clears up an important question I had. Thanks, Pepsi.

[Johnny Rebel]

The only thing I have to offer is that Gates is not a vanilla player. He has a role - and has been actively using it.

[Kurt]

I don't really have anything valuable to add as far the discussion goes, but I do want to just add that I also stated that I was vanilla day 1, and admitted on day 2 that my alignments and role had changed:

Mar 23, 2013 16:50:15 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Just a short post before I head to work:

I was also vanilla when the game started, and some-how became town-aligned as of last night. My role did change.

How many of us is that so far? Someone mentioned the theory that maybe the amount of people turning town corresponds to the amount of people recruited, but those numbers seem a bit lopsided thus far.

I'll have more later.

Also, due to his standing, and to help narrow down that list, I will state that I used my role on JamesV last night. I assume it helped him, but I don't know for certain. Maybe he can shed some light on that, but we'll see.

I also won't vote for Pepsi, or anyone who claims to be in the same boat as me with the "vanilla to town" role. If I expect them to believe my claim, then I have to believe theirs, at least until conflicting evidence rears its head.

Nothing more to report for now.

[Buckson Gooch]

Sorry I missed that, Kyle. Thanks for the info, Rebel. Does anyone else have any info?

Pepsi - Town
Shields - Town
JamesV - Town
Gooch - Town
Shields - Town
Matt Stone - Town
Kyle - Town

Jules
Mark Mania
CJ Gates - Not Vanilla
Callahan
KJE
Rebel
Level-One
Rasin Kain(Speed)
Talon

TJ - Dead - Confirmed 3rd Party
Kash - Dead - Confirmed town
Pancho - Dead - Confirmed Town
Knuckles - Dead - Confirmed Town
Havok - Dead - Confirmed Town

[Chris Shields]

Gooch, I had no ability on night one therefore I could not do anything. As for my read on TJ, I checked him out and found out that he was a member of the teal? (I think that's the color being used) 3rd party team.

[Pepsi]

By my count, based on the write ups it seems we are dealing with 3 Reds (Joffrey, Cersei, Jaime), 2 Purples (Stannis, Melisandre), and 1 Teal (Khaleesi).

That gives us a 9/6 split of town vs. Anti-Town. With so many anti-towners out there I am concerned about a no lynch day, especially when we have potential kills from both purple and red, and who knows what Khaleesi brings to the table.

I have made my suspicions on Mark clear and believe he would be a safe lynch. I understand not everyone is on board for it, and that's fine, but we need something or this game is going to ugly for the town really quick.

I am wondering what has happened with Jon Snow. He was purple for an entire day phase, yet we have heard nothing from him since he turned back to the town. I am wondering if post restrictions are coming into play here.

So you guys, and girls tell me. If not Mark than who? We need to get something going. I am concerned about a mislynch yes, but I am also concerned about no lynch. Either way we could be looking at a town bloodbath. If someone has info please bring it out. I am willing to change my vote if someone has something better to go on.

[Matt Stone]

To answer a previous question from Gooch, I didn't have anything day 1 except for a a character. I didn't know my role until day 2, same with my alignment and win condition.

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 28, 2013 16:45:19 GMT -4 Buckson Gooch said:

Jules
Mark Mania
CJ Gates - Not Vanilla
Callahan
KJE
Rebel
Level-One
Rasin Kain(Speed)
Talon

This is our suspects list. If there's a 9/6 split then that means only 3 of these players are town. I'm comfortable with my vote. I think we should only look at these players. Six are confirmed, three remain unconfirmed. The rest are not town. Let's get it done.

[C.J. Gates]

Mar 28, 2013 14:57:02 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

The only thing I have to offer is that Gates is not a vanilla player. He has a role - and has been actively using it.

I'm not vanilla, I won't deny that. But the role I do have is still a town role. I don't want to say too much about what I'm able to do, because I don't want to end up dead like Kash (who outed his role earlier I believe).

With that said, it does seem like Mania is the only real "lead" we have, and I use that loosely because I'm still not sold on him 100% yet.

The only other thing I can add is that there have been a few quiet players in this game. I know it's always poor play to just look at the quiet ones, but other than Mark Mania, that's the other thing I can think of.

[Jules]

Mar 28, 2013 11:37:26 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

No one is coming out with any valuable info, in fact hardly anyone is saying anything at all. James and I have nothing to go on with Mark other than a few suspicious comments it's true, but no one else has offered anything else. I have been very vocal from the beginning of this game, which is more than I can say for the many who are just trying to skate by, which makes a perfect segue for my next thought.

I find it very convenient that Jules has been skating by and has been called out by several people, and now suspects me. You have offered very little to this game so far except for quick little posts here and there. I have been working from the beginning to weed out other factions. I may not always be right, but at least I'm doing something other than making an occasional post to show activity like you have the last 2 games, both of which you were anti-town.

I can't say 100% Mark and Jules are scum, but I do know that I am 100% town. Before anyone thinks I am jumping on an anti Jules bandwagon please note that I already raised suspicion with him back during the Knuckles lynch. That suspicion has not changed.

F.O.S. Jules

I don't understand how coming out with 'nothing to report' every day is helping the town. Maybe it's just me, but that seems a lot like skating by. As for your 'weeding out the other factions' - remind me exactly what you have done in achieving that? (The TJ vote doesn't count since he did all that work for himself by forcing the Knux lynch).

I gave a slice of info in my last post, that is all I know right now. I was RBed night 2. Btw, concerned about my alignment? If you look hard enough you should be able to confirm I'm town, and you'd be wrong to pursue this any further.

[Level-Two]

Jules, can you drop a test vote on me?

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 28, 2013 11:11:54 GMT -4 Jules said:

Sorry I haven't checked in, been on the road visiting relatives this week so internet a bit sporadic. Will be home tomorrow, so back to normal.

Anyway, I can confirm Level-One isn't doing any killing. Not sure about his alignment, but he's no killer.

I agree the Mania lynch seems ill-informed, and Pepsi looks sus to me right now. I'll offer more on that when I've got some time.

I want to hear more about this considering what you said in your last post.