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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 15:41:31 GMT -4
Obviously I can't confirm who I am, but I do have a thought. Based on the write-up, I don't think the horseman are in the game yet. Which leads to this FOS AtkenI think he might be a horseman. That's why he doesn't know his role. The horsemen have to know their role...He didn't deny my Michael observation earlier. He doesn't know his power, but I think they all know their roles. We have 18 players in the game and 18 roles. Would someone get a role thing saying, "I'll tell you later?" I'm not being sarcastic, does that happen? |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 15:42:32 GMT -4
No, but they could be given an NPC character to start with, and then change roles at a certain point. I have seen that happen before.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 15:42:59 GMT -4
That is the most powerful role I've seen in a mafia game EVER! I can't think that Level One would really give a TOWN player that kind of power. Perhaps a 3rd party who has to outlast the others, or a single solitary scum role that has to get everyone killed... But not Town. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing it. FOS: GoochI'm trying to get Stone to out his 3rd party mason buddies and I'm trying to get Finn to say who he targeted. I'm very much a town player with a very unique role. |
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Post by Reaver on Jun 19, 2013 15:50:34 GMT -4
wow a lot has happened huh?
and though atken has no win condition as of yet, i have to point out that mine is the same before it comes out as odd later down the road.
theres also a lot of people missing so far and i hope they can speak up to follow through with wats going on
vote: Rowyan
everything till now has sounded fishy and i think it was put into perspective by gooch, atken, stone and smith
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 15:51:53 GMT -4
No, but they could be given an NPC character to start with, and then change roles at a certain point. I have seen that happen before. Doesn't really gel with Gooch believing that they are your mason buds though. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 15:53:11 GMT -4
and though atken has no win condition as of yet, i have to point out that mine is the same before it comes out as odd later down the road. I do have a win condition, I am aligned with the town, I win when the town wins. What I don't know is my role. Jeez guys, look at your PMs from L-1. Role and alignment are two different things. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 15:54:41 GMT -4
Shit, now I know why Jules wants to lynch me. Yeah, he's probably town and tried to use his role on me. I don't know my role but I'm starting to suss it out.
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 15:55:50 GMT -4
I have the names and the roles, it's just matching people up. It's for a good purpose. Per my write up, I can't give any information on the result. Gooch, can you explain this post more? Cause you've already said if Nadine dies, the Horseman lose their powers. To me, it sounds like only a horseman/Nadine would know this. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 15:57:13 GMT -4
Seems to me, looking at Nadine info, Nadine may not even know it.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 15:58:00 GMT -4
I have the names and the roles, it's just matching people up. It's for a good purpose. Per my write up, I can't give any information on the result. Gooch, can you explain this post more? Cause you've already said if Nadine dies, the Horseman lose their powers. To me, it sounds like only a horseman/Nadine would know this. I didn't make the tie in to the horsemen and Nadine. You asked if there were horsemen. If I made that connection, my apologies. I don't know alignments, I know names and roles. Some are pretty obvious. I can't give much more information or I'll get modkilled. |
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Post by Reaver on Jun 19, 2013 15:59:34 GMT -4
and though atken has no win condition as of yet, i have to point out that mine is the same before it comes out as odd later down the road. I do have a win condition, I am aligned with the town, I win when the town wins. What I don't know is my role. Jeez guys, look at your PMs from L-1. Role and alignment are two different things. lol sorry phil, mine is the same but technically i have no role until certain things happen that i do not no of yet. |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 16:00:47 GMT -4
So if my theory is correct, Reaver and Atken could be 2 of the 4 horseman. Are there two other people who have the same thing?
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:02:08 GMT -4
Gooch, can you explain this post more? Cause you've already said if Nadine dies, the Horseman lose their powers. To me, it sounds like only a horseman/Nadine would know this. I didn't make the tie in to the horsemen and Nadine. You asked if there were horsemen. If I made that connection, my apologies. I don't know alignments, I know names and roles. Some are pretty obvious. I can't give much more information or I'll get modkilled. Basically from my show research, the Horsemen exist because of Nadine and if Nadine is alive, the horsemen live. So if there are horsemen, they are tied to Nadine, even if Nadine may not know it (this I can't confirm, not sure how it went on the show, I'm just learning for the shows wiki) From what I can tell from my own character, it seems like if someone comes in contact with me, they'll want to kill me. I think that may be my unknown rule and explain Jules. THANKS FOR THAT L-1. Knux: I don't even have a time delay on mine, it's just straight up unknown. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 16:02:25 GMT -4
Seems to me, looking at Nadine info, Nadine may not even know it. L1 had Nadine show up as green, which makes me believe that Nadine is town. The role says that if Nadine dies, 3rd party loses their power. So Evil Rudy (the only 3rd party we've seen) will lose whatever power he has as well as others. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:05:19 GMT -4
So if my theory is correct, Reaver and Atken could be 2 of the 4 horseman. Are there two other people who have the same thing? Doubtful. Mine and Knuckles information doesn't match. He's got a condition on his. That means he has a role, it is just time delayed. Mine is just straight up unknown. Beyond that, having four people being time delayed to be third party is terrible balancing, beyond already having a scum faction and a known third party from the info in Evil Rudy. |
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Post by Reaver on Jun 19, 2013 16:06:38 GMT -4
So if my theory is correct, Reaver and Atken could be 2 of the 4 horseman. Are there two other people who have the same thing? wrong theory since i havnt appeared in the write up yet. at least not from day 2 that i know of. maybe i dunno i am? its possible...... |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:07:13 GMT -4
Seems to me, looking at Nadine info, Nadine may not even know it. L1 had Nadine show up as green, which makes me believe that Nadine is town. The role says that if Nadine dies, 3rd party loses their power. So Evil Rudy (the only 3rd party we've seen) will lose whatever power he has as well as others. Sure, but I don't see how Stone is certainly town based on your info for the exact reason that Nadine does show up as green. Plus I think his recent four Horseman theory is an attempt to muddy the waters. |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 16:08:08 GMT -4
lol, Gooch's role isn't balanced at all if he's town. Basically, he can just sit back and pick apart any false claims from anyone.
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:09:04 GMT -4
Gooch's information is all over the place and really confusing to cut through his own conjecture and actual fact. He really needs to be more clear on that stuff.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Jun 19, 2013 16:09:28 GMT -4
I like how I disappear for a day and the game takes a turn down Batshit and Bananas.
Honestly, having read the Gooch/Atken/Stone exchange, the only thing that's stood out to me as questionable is Michael Jennings efforts to flog the horse so to speak and the bandwagon that ensued. He was bent on that lynch all through yesterday and when everyone had all but forgotten about it, he attempted to distract the town by putting a magnifying glass back on it.
Maybe it's the sheer volume of waffling crap that the rest of you are talking, but Knuckles is also being uncharacteristically quiet. It could be a conscious effort to avoid sticking a malformed foot into his illiterate gob with enormous quantities of dribble rolling down either side but it could also be him flying off radar.
All in all,
FoS: Michael Jennings
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:11:59 GMT -4
I like how I disappear for a day and the game takes a turn down Batshit and Bananas. Honestly, having read the Gooch/Atken/Stone exchange, the only thing that's stood out to me as questionable is Michael Jennings efforts to flog the horse so to speak and the bandwagon that ensued. He was bent on that lynch all through yesterday and when everyone had all but forgotten about it, he attempted to distract the town by putting a magnifying glass back on it. Maybe it's the sheer volume of waffling crap that the rest of you are talking, but Knuckles is also being uncharacteristically quiet. It could be a conscious effort to avoid sticking a malformed foot into his illiterate gob with enormous quantities of dribble rolling down either side but it could also be him flying off radar. All in all, FoS: Michael JenningsI remember some first post rule about being respectful but I guess we've already had KJE being called a bitch so *shrug*. I suppose Marv already called me an attention whore for no particular reason so there's that. Anyway, Callahan, what do you make of the defence from Rowyn? |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:13:57 GMT -4
Also Gooch, I want you to lay out clearly, just from stuff you have already stated what you know as FACT and what you are guessing because it will be far more useful to refer back to later.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 16:14:19 GMT -4
lol, Gooch's role isn't balanced at all if he's town. Basically, he can just sit back and pick apart any false claims from anyone. Well, when I don't have a night action and all I have is information that I can gather, the lurkers win. I can tell if people make up a role, but I can't do much else. Oh yeah, be careful we have a PGO in our midst. |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 16:15:11 GMT -4
Just as an out of game note, I <3 KJE. When I jokingly said lynch the bitch, it was clearly (in my mind) in jest.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 16:17:09 GMT -4
No, but they could be given an NPC character to start with, and then change roles at a certain point. I have seen that happen before. Doesn't really gel with Gooch believing that they are your mason buds though. I didn't even imply that they were. The horsemen could very well be the scum along with Lola. If Finn stepped up that would be great. We could find out who Lola is. I'm starting to believe that Reaver is Abby from what he's saying. It's either Abby or he's lying through his mask about being a horseman. |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 16:17:51 GMT -4
lol, Gooch's role isn't balanced at all if he's town. Basically, he can just sit back and pick apart any false claims from anyone. Well, when I don't have a night action and all I have is information that I can gather, the lurkers win. I can tell if people make up a role, but I can't do much else. Oh yeah, be careful we have a PGO in our midst.  |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 16:22:44 GMT -4
Gooch, at this point, I can't even make sense of your intel, never mind make use of it. You just seem to be throwing more and more stuff out without really clarifying any of it. From your last post it reads like you think Knux is Abby, why you believe to be a horseman but you don't make it clear whether you actually KNOW that or if you just think that could be the case.
Same thing with Stone's alignment, do you actually KNOW it or are you guessing his character and thus his alignment. How would that alignment even impact Fury's proposed cop investigation ability?
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Post by "Supersonic" Branden Harvey on Jun 19, 2013 16:23:07 GMT -4
Fuck. It took me two hours to read all that. I think our best bet is Gooch. With all that info, there's no way he's town.
Vote: Gooch
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Post by Michael Callahan on Jun 19, 2013 16:26:22 GMT -4
I like how I disappear for a day and the game takes a turn down Batshit and Bananas. Honestly, having read the Gooch/Atken/Stone exchange, the only thing that's stood out to me as questionable is Michael Jennings efforts to flog the horse so to speak and the bandwagon that ensued. He was bent on that lynch all through yesterday and when everyone had all but forgotten about it, he attempted to distract the town by putting a magnifying glass back on it. Maybe it's the sheer volume of waffling crap that the rest of you are talking, but Knuckles is also being uncharacteristically quiet. It could be a conscious effort to avoid sticking a malformed foot into his illiterate gob with enormous quantities of dribble rolling down either side but it could also be him flying off radar. All in all, FoS: Michael JenningsI remember some first post rule about being respectful but I guess we've already had KJE being called a bitch so *shrug*. I suppose Marv already called me an attention whore for no particular reason so there's that. Anyway, Callahan, what do you make of the defence from Rowyn? I think Rowyn's defence was about as convincing as the leader of the bald and naked midget confederation attempting to blend in with the natives of Chewbacca's homeworld Kashyyk, but in saying that I think it's equally craptacular to Jennings Lev Yashin dive to try and subvert the possible game destroying conversation that you lot are having. I'd like to think that they're both different shades of baddie, with one being red and one being purple respective of the other but I have absolutely nothing substantial to back that assertion, just a cynical interpretation of their two conflicting arguments. To put it simply, I'm as convinced that both of them are town as I am of the possibility that there's a wasp factory on the edge of the solar system. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 16:27:02 GMT -4
Also Gooch, I want you to lay out clearly, just from stuff you have already stated what you know as FACT and what you are guessing because it will be far more useful to refer back to later. Facts: Lola can kill by proxy. Her kill was blocked. The other person wasn't protected, they didn't have the guts to do it. The only player with blocking ability is Finn. If Finn lets us know who he blocked, we have scum. Fury claims that he is cop, I don't know how he came to the conclusion that Stone is 3rd Party Mason b/c we don't have a role cop in this game. We do have a regular cop. I'm assuming that Fury is the regular cop and that Stone is Nadine. Stone hasn't denied that yet, much like Phil hasn't denied being Michael. Rowyn claims vanilla townie, that can be accurate b/c we do have 2 vanilla townies. Reaver is either Abby (dangerous role) or is a horseman...but I believe the horsemen have their roles already due to what their capabilities are. KJE claimed watcher earlier. Speculation: I'm not familiar with the flavor, but is there any way that Lola can be tied with the Horsemen and we have 5 scummers? I'm wondering about the QT that Stone is in. He said he saw their night actions and L1 confirmed them. Could this have been diversionary? What were the night actions? That could implicate whoever is with him, which very well could be horsemen or not horsemen. |
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