Meltdown July 15 feedback and Discussion

[President Jeff]

Posting this early

Segment Credit: Kash, Jace, Watson, Sally, Evan, Jennings and GovNor. If I missed someone, let me know

Match Credit: Joseph Johnson, Evan, Branden, Jules, Kash, Madison


Feedback on the show is welcome. Doesn't need to be long feedback. At least leave feedback on your match for the match writers.

[President Jeff]

The show is now up in full

[Shadow]

Rock on, I will be leaving feedback in like a day or so. Sorry I couldn't contribute to this show. Time actually got the best of me this week.

Meltdown has been a blast!

[Jason Cashe]

Matches to Read: Jennings Vs. Rebel, Robina Hood Vs. Gov'nor, and Pepsi Vs. Speede,

Match That OWNED: Sentinel Vs. Madison

Good show, I hope Gates enjoyed the match I wrote. I was cramming everything last minute for the match and my rp and I hate feeling rushed but I wanted to give you a good run. Hopefully it's not the last time and I (in character) apologize to the Asylum roster for the loss!

@sally: Sign that contract, be back where you belong...

[Jules]

A few thoughts on Meltdown finale:

-It still makes me sad that we won’t see Evan Envi on TV anymore, but if AJP is sticking around it’s not so bad. A nice opening segment, and nobody moves through those shades of grey quite like Envi.

-Mumf v Johnson v Washington. Good, fun read. Great commentary.

-It was odd to see a bit of humility from Michael Jennings, but the point was made with brevity so I like that.

-Pepsi v Speede. It’s a real shame circumstances cut off this feud as it began to flower because it could have been THE FEUD on Meltdown. Nice to see they get a blow-off match. Solid, fast-paced match. Felt like it lacked a bit of meat for me, maybe just too many near falls and spots that didn’t really generate the story I was hoping for.

-Rebel v Jennings. I think the outcome was right, especially with Rebel’s part time schedule, he shouldn’t really be going over full time megastars. This is a big win Jennings should be able to use to his advantage. The match was okay, very short though.

-Odd, very goofy segment from Kash. I suspect it may have been intentionally so, especially with that fourth wall breaking wave to the camera, lol.

-Watson and NewGen. It doesn’t surprise me, I know Jace has been aggressive with his recruitment. I didn’t really like the tone of the segment though. I think among all these factions most of them are based on the ethic of putting right what they think is wrong with APW. I don’t know, I’m just having a hard time seeing the same identity print on every faction. We’ve had The League and The Black Hand saying they are going to put APW right; The Dying Breed’s ethos is to deliver a brand of wrestler the crowd can be proud of (and I remember The Pillars was the same). I’ll give TDB theirs though, they’ve been doing it for a while. Now it’s NewGen’s turn to say the same thing.

I liked the idea behind NewGen when Jace pitched it to me- a bunch of up and comers looking out for each in the face of other threats- but I’m not sure I like this turn.

-Shadow vs. Jace. Made Shadow look beast, but for me that was essentially a squash, and it killed any momentum Jace and NewGen got from that pre-match segment.

-Sentinel vs. Madison. I don’t know their stats off the top of my head, but this read like a battle between a couple of proper bruisers. Stiff as hell.

-Evan put 90% of this segment together at the last minute, so thanks a lot. Anyway, this is all part of a side project if anyone is wondering why Evan slapped The Guv. I’ll miss Sienna Harrison; I don’t care what anyone says about the character, she was gold.

-Gates v Kash. These two were the Undisputed and World Heavyweight Champions, respectively, when I joined APW, so for me these two have always been icons above icons, and I’ve waited 21 months to see this match happen. It definitely felt like an exhibition, but had enough draw to it not to need much of a story driving it. A surprise ending, but who doesn’t mark out for a Stone Cold Stunner?

-Sally v Rufio. Similar to Speede v Pepsi in that there wasn’t enough of a story in the match to really hook me in. I think Rufio came off okay, but he should have been made to come off great. Personally, for the big mark out pop, I would have liked the Happy Ending to finish the match, but maybe that’s just me.

-I suppose it isn’t Sally without some sort of tease.

-Congratulations Peter! You deserve this more than anybody else in this fed deserves a title (well, maybe barring Knuckles/Reaver). I’m going to agree with another member of the roster who said Robina Hood didn’t need to win this to become a star, because all the hard work had already been done to make that so at T4TB, but nonetheless I’m really pleased you have something concrete (well about as concrete as a title in a fake professional wrestling company can be) out of all the work you have put in. I have genuinely loved working with you on this feud, and I’m pleased with the evolution of Robina Hood.

As for the match, I wanted to write something epic but I just didn’t have the time unfortunately. I think the match is okay, for what that’s worth, but I’m not at all disappointed with outcome.

So that’s it, the end of Meltdown, whether it be for now or for a short while.

A few words of gratitude: thanks to Jeff for introducing Meltdown and proving me wrong. I wasn’t convinced by the idea behind it for a while, but I soon realised I was wrong as Meltdown was churning out great show after great show. Johnny Rebel deserves praise for steering the ship through its toughest times, when nobody but Evan Envi was writing segments he kept the enthusiasm, kept putting out quality shows and putting them out on time very week.

Terry and Evan really helped make Meltdown something more than a development show, and they deserve praise for taking it to the next level (with the aid of some truly outstanding talent in the AJP, Logan, TJ, CK, KJE era).

My biggest thanks goes out to Evan Envi. Obviously it’s because this is the guy who was my GM. Yeah, the dude is slow as fuck replying to PMs (lol), but he always wanted what was best for the show, not for himself but for the people on the roster. A lot has been said in various places about getting pushes by feuding with GMs, but I can tell you that wasn’t the case on Meltdown- certainly not in my experience. I approached Evan about Guv/Sienna; I approached Evan about pushing Guv/Robina/Yarmouth (although in Yarmouth’s case he left before our plans could pan out). That doesn’t mean I’m trying to take the credit, it’s just an example of how the roster drove what happened on Meltdown.

I will miss Monday nights, and being part of the show has obviously endeared it to me a lot more than say when I wasn’t. But I have come to enjoy Meltdown as much as, if not more, than Overdrive and Asylum. Probably in part because I had a vested interest, but mostly because it was really exciting seeing all the new talent come through and blossom on a great show.

I can’t sign off without saying thanks to the roster, past and present. Evan Envi and Michael Lively for making Meltdown work; AJP (Evan- you bastard!), Logan, Havok, CK, TJ (yeah I probably missed someone) for making Meltdown more than something developmental; Robina, Tommy Knox, Michael Jennings, Billy Pepsi, Jace Savage for making it so much fun for me over the past 4-5 months.

Cheers.

[Tommy Knox]

Meltdown will be missed. Before coming back I was out for over a year. I mainly came back because of Kash but the presentation and work put into Meltdown brought me in more and helped me develop Knox into the character he is now. I'm looking forward to this big feud with Envi to give you all a good read. So Jules, he's not disappearing just yet, hopefully not at all.

I think te ending of the NA title match was good. Made on Meltdown was a good addition to go along with made in Hackey.

Overall it was a good show and a great way to finish an era in APW history. With meltdowns closing, it also brings more talent to the main two brands and gives endless possibilities of storylines and different people to work together.

[Victor Hades]

Yeah anyone see that Victor Hades match?

Yeah, that guy sucks.

What a show! congrats to all you Meltdown vets and of course Jeff for continuing a great show and sending it out with a proper bang. well done guys, you should all be proud.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jul 16, 2013 7:24:52 GMT -4 Jules said:

-Rebel v Jennings. I think the outcome was right, especially with Rebel’s part time schedule, he shouldn’t really be going over full time megastars. This is a big win Jennings should be able to use to his advantage. The match was okay, very short though.

I know you didn't mean in that way, but for the record, Jennings brought it this week. He deserved the win and wasn't storylined at all. I wanted to give it a better go but time got away from me. James put a heckuva piece out this week and is quickly shooting up the charts, IMO.

[Jules]

Jul 16, 2013 11:36:58 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

Jul 16, 2013 7:24:52 GMT -4 Jules said:

-Rebel v Jennings. I think the outcome was right, especially with Rebel’s part time schedule, he shouldn’t really be going over full time megastars. This is a big win Jennings should be able to use to his advantage. The match was okay, very short though.

I know you didn't mean in that way, but for the record, Jennings brought it this week. He deserved the win and wasn't storylined at all. I wanted to give it a better go but time got away from me. James put a heckuva piece out this week and is quickly shooting up the charts, IMO.

I wasn't suggesting it was, just glad it worked out right. Hope no offense caused, the comment wasn't a slight of any kind.

[Sentinel]

Sentinel vs. Madison was a sick match. I was a little surprised with Sentinel winning despite how happy I was with my own promo. That's what I tend to go for: personal satisfaction. That way if a loss happened, at least fun was had getting there. Hopefully it's not the end of things between these two because when they get down the arena shakes with every shot.

[Chris Madison]

I'm glad I could do our match some justice. I was truly unsure of the outcome, I thought we both did a hell of a job this week with rping. Looking forward to other encounters down the road.

[Jason Cashe]

Gov, when you address Robina Hood. Please don't call her "Peter" I know she is a he but it confused me for a moment? Yeah we'll go with that. Thanks, that is all.

[amyzing]

I thought it was a great show.

You know what? I saw don't retire the North American Championship. Instead, let Robina Hood keep it and defend it on Overdrive. I'm not saying this because I want another shot at the title or any reason like that. I am saying it because I like the character of Robina Hood and I feel she deserves the opportunity to shine as champion

[chaos lite]

I would definitely love to see the North American Championship remain in contention-- perhaps available to both brands.

...I don't know how I found myself under this username.

[Tommy Knox]

Would make some sense to have an extra title on each show now with the bigger rosters from meltdown closing.

[Jace]

Each show can have it's own titles. Heavy Weight, tag-team,Suicidal, ect. Just a thought it would be interesting to see to me at least.

[Michael Jennings]

With there being only two shows title unifications may be in order. Just a suggestion.

[Lord Raab]

I think that the tag and North American titles should be defended on both brands of Overdrive and Asylum/Raab-A-Mania but the rest of the titles should stay as they are.

[Jules]

My view, for what it's worth, is that it would be sad to see the North American Championship unified or merged into something else. Even though it's just over a year old look how rich it's history is, and I think that tradition of it being used to push the megastars of tomorrow should be maintained.

Having it cross-brand is a nice idea, maybe with a cross-brand match at every PPV (offers something different, gives unique match ups). But I think it should either be kept as a stand alone belt or disbanded completely. It deserves more, and the characters that have created it's rich history, deserves better than for it to be simply rubbed from history (which would be the effect of unification/merging).

[Jace]

I was thinking more or less a set of titles for each show, but this would stop cross feuding for titles. On the other hand it would separate the shows ad maybe cause a competition between the shows.

[President Jeff]

Overdrive and Asylum both have either own titles. Tag Team Titles are duel brand. The NA Title, not sure what we're doing with that yet.

[Chris Madison]

What about a television title? Can be defended on both brands but only on TV no PPV's?

[Michael Jennings]

Jul 18, 2013 11:37:53 GMT -4 Chris Madison said:

What about a television title? Can be defended on both brands but only on TV no PPV's?

I think this is a really good idea.

[amyzing]

Do we have a TV Title?

I'd love to see the Undisputed Champion VS the World Heavyweight Champion, title VS title unification match.

[Michael Jennings]

Jul 18, 2013 14:00:00 GMT -4 amyzing said:

Do we have a TV Title?

I'd love to see the Undisputed Champion VS the World Heavyweight Champion, title VS title unification match.

That is what I thought was going to happen with the TMarv vs. L-O match. Lol

[Evan De Parker]

I never understood why people wanted that. So many Megastars that aren't necessarily mainstay "main event" material would find themselves lost in the shuffle more often than not while the top title pictures would have either far less diversity as far as contenders go, or less build as we're forced to cycle through contenders quickly.

[Tommy Knox]

If you're talking about the tv title thing, it would be mainly for low card talent. Just something every week but really no prestige unless someone had a long run as champion.

[Tommy Knox]

But I dunno, now that I think about it, 4 singles titles for each brand would be too many unless the rosters grew even more than they have with the closing of meltdown.

[Evan De Parker]

I was referring to the World Titles.

[President Jeff]

The North American Title originally was suppose to be like the TV title, but it just didn't work out. I don't think a TV title would work here