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Post by biggs on Aug 25, 2013 22:13:28 GMT -4
The show is posted, save for the opening contest. Thanks to Kash, Envi, Knox, Jeff, Chris Madison, Joe Johnson, Tmarv, Level-One, and J-Reb for matches!
Thanks to Sally, Young Mannie, Jace Savage, Evan Envi, and Logan Alexander for segs.
Feel free to discuss!
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Post by Chris Madison on Aug 26, 2013 0:19:13 GMT -4
So far so good...can't wait to see the final product. Really enjoyed working with Jace and Brian throughout this. Never happy about a loss but glad these guys won. They could definitely add to the tag division and make it a little more relevant. Looking forward to seeing how the whole scenario of two number one contenders play out for them.
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Post by Shione "SURGE" Ōshima on Aug 26, 2013 2:37:14 GMT -4
I'll comment more later (once I've actually read the show), but since I'm thinking of it now and it's not the kind of thing most people even notice - let alone comment on, myself included - really excellent job on the 'tron' for this. My attention always wavers during five minutes of strung-together video clips, but there were some sweet moments and overall it conveyed that big PPV feel that's needed.
IIRC this was Leon Roberts' area? Nice one, man.
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Post by Reaver on Aug 26, 2013 3:17:44 GMT -4
will leave feedback tomorrow
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Post by Tommy Knox on Aug 26, 2013 10:48:11 GMT -4
I haven't read anything yet. I just want to thank Envi for getting our match up. Yesterday was a long day for me and I didn't get home until after midnight. We were supposed to work on it together but I fell short on my part. Envi, you're the man.
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Post by Shione "SURGE" Ōshima on Aug 26, 2013 11:25:18 GMT -4
Okay, finally done with EPIC READING DAY. Probably a terrible time to comment but I'm busy as hell tomorrow and I think I already sacrificed Wednesday (for... something?), so now's about the best time I can think of. Deal with it. Nothing particular to say about the very beginning (sans opening match). Havok/Johnson turned out to be a surprising highlight for me - clearly I didn't know who the mystery opponent was!! - and this was a pretty exciting match to read. Probably helped partly by lack of expectation; on a card this stacked with ridonk matches that's gonna happen. Ending was perfect, I think. Both men achieved a purpose here and keep momentum going forward. Great midcard encounter. LOVED the Mannie and co./SalTal segment. I'm a sucker for promos being interrupted that way, I admit, but I was enjoying it even before she showed up. Good, fun characterful stuff; i.e. what basically everything but the main event SHOULD be. Biggs/Jennings is another easily-forgotten highlight of the early card. Exciting and satisfyingly violent without overshadowing what follows; again, perfect as what it needed to be. On another show this could have been much higher up, sure, but it gets to be a mini main event here IMO. Not to take anything from the tag match that follows (which is honestly solid and I enjoyed plenty well), but this feels like TEW-style booking done right, to me. Peaks and troughs. Because... Boom. After another well-judged segment, the Envi/Knox match is balls-out amazing. Which comes with a sidenote; it's really TOO amazing given there are four more matches yet to come. I guess that's what such a stacked card is gonna do, maybe it couldn't be helped, but I had to take a break after reading this one. Absolutely epic. I'm a Jenny Knite fan for life. I want a t-shirt, dammit. Anyway, really satisfying payoff with an ending that left me gaping a few times even though the result seemed almost obvious from the outset! If this was REALLY REAL I'd point to it as how to perfectly book a match with such an 'obvious' result. I was with the crowd all the way, man... and now I'm gonna stop commenting on it because I've sung Envi's praises more than enough!!!
Although: still gonna say, probably should've been toned down a bit. Hard to do? Yeah. Maybe it should just have been higher. Sticking with peaks and troughs (and in spite of the above, again, masterfully so) the Saint/Bailey match was well-written and though it was long and back-and-forth enough to justify its spot on the card, neither did it outstay a welcome. I still like to imagine an intermission between this and Envi/Knox, in which case this works great for building the interest anew. Raab/Reaver. Ha. So this is making me feel like a chump for my predictions, but whatever, half the fun is getting them wildly wrong.  Great match most of the way through, from the intro on out. Turned into an hellacious brawl that I totally bought on the part of both men - this felt like one with a lot invested, even sandwiched between some Epic Feudly matches. Had about the greatest screwy ending ever, but you already knew that, right? Right. Looking forward to the follow-up from this one... especially from Kash.  I was worried Gates/L1 was NOT going to live up to the immense hype. The first... what, half? Not going back to check as this is taking long enough and I gotta go train! But let's go with that. First half made it look like another screwjob of some variety, and that would've been brutally unsatisfying. The second half made me a deal less concerned about how epic-awesome the earlier match-that-shall-not-be-named was. I'd say from the AWESOME double-springboard Nuclear Missile Dropkick (that's a thing now BTW) onward. Both guys built this well through the RPs and this turned out to be as ideal a payoff as it could've been. Worth a main event on ANY card. And there's the one real issue I have with the show. I feel like an enormous bitch for getting there, but I have to say the ACTUAL main event was a huge disappointment by comparison. Did it serve its purpose? Yeah. Did it suck? No. Hell no. But it was left with a formidably hard act to follow - even omitting Envi/Knox from the card, the L1/Gates match was gonna overshadow anything that followed, and having just read the last segment of the show... honestly I'm struggling to remember anything from the main event that really stuck out to me. There's nothing WRONG with it, but, not enough right to really sell me on the next match. Which is a shame, coz the way it was built... hot damn. I've been reading the show in order with the RPs that lead to each match (since I'd only read a couple prior) and while I think the others did an exceptional job echoing what needed echoing, and resulted in a payoff to the talent on show... this one is left hollow. I really hate to say it, and I DO look forward to the brutal fallout and the inevitable epic rematch. Which I guess is the saving grace; when Aubs and T-Marv go at it again, it will go to the next level. Ultimately: overall a sweet show, loads of teasers for what's to come, MASSIVE momentum gains for certain victors and I do still believe every match has served a purpose and made the future all the brighter. I just wish the main event didn't fall flat. On the flipside, was it ever gonna do anything but? There was so much riding on so much in this show, and brutal matches all the way up the card. It's not like I haven't had the same feeling a half-hundred times with regard to real wrestling shows, either... perhaps the commentary afterward about it being a 'five star classic' didn't exactly help matters. I was sat here thinking 'well, it was alright, I guess?!' So now I'm done being an ENORMOUS BITCH (omg job me out immediately) finally I do wanna say grats all on the RPs. The build for some of these matches was fantastic, and there are some real five-star classics in there. Particularly in those that went back and forth. Always love a bit of that. |
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Post by President Jeff on Aug 26, 2013 13:01:07 GMT -4
The opening match has been added to the show.
Sorry guys for not having it when the show went up. Anyone that knows me knows that it kills me to post stuff with stuff missing. But sometimes, things are just out of my control. But its there now. I suck at writing Xtreme match, but hopefully you guys enjoy it
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Post by President Jeff on Aug 28, 2013 6:36:21 GMT -4
Did no one read the PPV?
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Post by C.J. Gates on Aug 28, 2013 7:09:58 GMT -4
I'll toss up some feedback when I get home from work.
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Post by Jace on Aug 28, 2013 17:46:47 GMT -4
I think the ppv was written well. Thanks to the match writers as always. The staff did an excellent putting it together.
Havoks return was a surprise to me I will have to say. My favorite match I would have to say was mine. Chris did a awesome job writing it. Getting beat down week after week by this guy has helped my rps improve I think. I'm glad to be able to win a tag contender-ship. NewGen has a lot more to come.
Overall not disappointed at all. There was a lot of work put into the show and as always I appreciate it. The PPV video was a awesome touch! I think it should be done every ppv. I will put up more feedback later, I'm about to go to work.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Aug 28, 2013 17:58:15 GMT -4
Here goes nothing I guess.
The video: It always makes me chuckle when I see "C.J. Gates" clotheslining people in these things. Then again, that's the problem with the way I picked my pic base. But alas. It was a good video, helped set up the matches well. My only point of criticism might have been that when it started doing more match by match stuff (not exactly, but almost), it might have been cool to go in reverse of the card...I think it kinda jumped. Also, not knowing some of the pic bases 100% made for an interesting show when I thought (for a second) that Blade was making an appearance.
The matches: They were good. Some were awesome (Knox/Envi, Biggs/Jennings was up there, too as was L1/Gates), some left my wanting a little bit more. The Xtreme title match for example. Of course, this is more so because it was written later, so I can't hold it against the show too much. I think it was mentioned above, that the Knox/Envi match was good at keeping me wondering, even if the outcome was pretty much obvious. Props to Level One for making that match awesome. Always seems like Gates and L1 can have some five star matches, and that one was great. Loved the way L1 kind of changed throughout, if only slightly.
The Havok return was...interesting. I didn't know it was happening, but am not truly surprised, though I think that's just me being jaded in general. It makes the whole shit storm after Test for the Best (or Mayhem, I've forgotten which) and the leaving post that much more pointless, if you're just going to come back a month later. Why leave in the first place? Just take some time off instead...but that's probably just me. It probably works better that he's back, anyways.
Angles: None of them seemed too out of place for a PPV, and did well to split up some of the matches and give the readers a break from match reading. Which is a good thing. I know sometimes in the past there have been unneeded segments on a PPV, so it was good to see the opposite.
I know the feedback isn't as extensive, but it's what I've got without going back and re-reading.
Props to the match writers (even those that got the matches in late), and big hats off to Biggs for posting, and to Jeff for writing the Xtreme title on a crunch.
Congrats to the winners and new champion!
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 29, 2013 10:44:54 GMT -4
First of all, props to Leon for a great opening video package. The show opened with a very fun Xtreme Title match where Roberts was allowed to look like a beast throughout most of it. I loved the small, but incredibly vital role Demonica had in the match, and I silently marked out to see a trash can used the way it was.  It reminded me of WWE's Attitude Era. All in all, 'grats to Smith. Mannie vs Guv'Nor being short is understandable due to the OOC circumstances, but it was nice to see Mannie earn a shady (but, still technically clean) win over the Guv. I don't think Guv'Nor loses anything here because it's obvious that this feud has a LOT of mileage, and I've loved what I've read so far. If these two aren't involved in the Tap-Out Title picture come ONIH, something is seriously wrong. I liked the nod to Harris at the end as well. After that, something happened, BUT I LOVE SALLY TALFOURD and I'm glad I caught a "glimpse" of her on Shockwave. Definitely a great interview segment. Mannie knows how to develop side-characters very well. Jacinta taking over as interviewer as a typical, but awesome heel move, and Quartermain is the perfect heavy for a guy like Mannie. (btw "way more tougher" is grammatically incorrect) I look at the Sally interaction as this... Sally's been teasing a comeback for over a month now, and Mannie needed that superstar rub to get his name out there. Both were accomplished, and while Sally vs Mannie seems like a lock for the future, I don't see a full-fledged feud coming out of it. This did exactly what it needed to do, and I am incredibly excited for Asylum now. The Chairs Match only seemed odd to me because the Biggs character is historically against these types of matches. It was well-written and, as with everything else on this card, was fun to read, but I had a difficult time understanding why Biggs was involved in this kind of match without more build being put forth-- though it wasn't for a lack of trying from either handler. I understand OOC issues prevented Biggs from committing 250%, but I guess his 200% effort will do. Good win from Biggs, and I think the result + the aftermath actually helps the Jennings character more in the long run. As I said, he claims to not care about losses, so this loss shouldn't hurt too much at this point in his career, but the post-match beatdown did wonders for everybody involved. Quick note: I loved how the Black Hand was put over by commentary between matches. NewGen vs Niobe and Madison... I honestly feel for Madison here. Niobe's a very fun character but this is one of those weeks where the writer just didn't seem to be into it. Regardless, Jace and Hollywood produced really good work this week, and it was crucial for NewGen to get the rising here. Black Hand could've used the win, but they truly didn't need it. Not at this point in time. It'll be better for the longevity of the group if it takes a little while for them to become a dominant force. Being able to work with Logan is always fun. He made the Evan/Logan segment what it was, so props to him. I'm also incredibly proud of the Overdrive Title Ladder Match, so I'm glad it was received well. Knox was a great person to feud with and will be an awesome champion. Saint vs Bailey-- I don't know what I can say to comment on it. It was epic, and as someone mentioned earlier, I like to imagine there was a bit of a "breather" between the Ladder Match and this. It played out basically how I expected it to, but that's not a bad thing by any means. It was almost oddly comforting. Congrats Bailey, and farewell, Saint. You and your work will be missed! Haha, Reaver vs Raab was kind of what I figured it would turn into, save for the ending. I didn't fully see Raab-a-Mania ending like this again (I admittedly saw it going on until ONIH). Unfortunately, I think a loss like this hurts the Black Hand a lot more than some might realize. Regardless, the faction still has two champions, so it still has legs. Congrats to Reaver, and now Asylum is shaping up to be huge. L1 vs CJ was a phenomenal read, as was expected, but as a reader, I'm really not interested in seeing L1 go over CJ again. It felt like more of the same to me, and I guess it can be contributed to L1's awesomeness, but there needs to be a massive change in the WHC picture soon. I'm finding it hard to get invested in the stories. The most interesting thing from the fallout will be seeing if CJ Gates develops a different dimension instead of settling back into the uber-face main event role again. This was followed by the Undisputed Title match. It was well-written for what it was, but I was left feeling disappointed. The writer didn't seem to have any grasp on what was going on between AJP/Marv and it felt like a typical Asylum or Meltdown main event. I think the intrigue that the Unforgiven has brought upon themselves saved it at the end, but this match felt very out of place considering the evolution of the characters over the summer. Regardless, I always appreciate anybody stepping up and writing a match for one of my characters, so I can't complain heavily... Just... This match probably shouldn't have gone on last. Overall, solid show! Good job, everyone. I think this PPV really makes the reader excited for the next episodes of Overdrive and Asylum. It's a good time to be in APW, evidently! |
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 29, 2013 10:51:56 GMT -4
This seemed to work before. Imma leave this here.
What are your thoughts on the match you we’re in (applicable only if you didn’t write your own match):
What was your favorite match on the card:
Favorite Segment:
Favorite moment in the show:
Who was the show’s MVP:
Additional comments:
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Post by President Jeff on Aug 29, 2013 11:38:53 GMT -4
No love for Havok Vs Johnson?
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 29, 2013 11:49:57 GMT -4
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Post by Tommy Knox on Aug 29, 2013 12:53:38 GMT -4
lol
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Post by Jason Cashe on Aug 29, 2013 14:09:18 GMT -4
What was your favorite match on the card: TMarv Vs. AJP
Favorite Segment: Sally and Mannie (Very nice to see Sally around again)
Favorite moment in the show: Kash streaking without being completely nude. Imagine the fan mail if he had been...(I can pretend!)
Who was the show’s MVP: Reaver. He wins a PPV Match and I know he's wanted to do that for a while now so big props to him.
Additional comments: TMarv to me had the best overall rp of the PPV. His 2nd was just fantastic! A close second is Level One's set of promos, he just has a grasping story and does a damn good job at laying it down. If words was game, they'd both be Hugh Hefner.
EDIT: I'm also somewhat attracted to Envi's new GIF video, "I don't care" just helps the attraction.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 29, 2013 15:18:53 GMT -4
*sighs* I'm not complaining about a loss because Reaver did deserve to win but I can't help but really kick myself in the head and being really angry with myself cos of being unable to complete the RP. I would have felt much better about losing if I had completed it. Of course I understand Reaver had RL issues which I completely understand which isn't your fault at all.
I have to congratulate on the guy on putting a solid RP and getting his first PPV win since he defeated Brendon Harvey a long time ago and to other winners on the PPV especially to the new champ Tommy Knox.
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Post by Tommy Knox on Aug 29, 2013 20:22:38 GMT -4
What was your favorite match on the card: TMarv Vs. AJP Favorite Segment: Sally and Mannie (Very nice to see Sally around again) Favorite moment in the show: Kash streaking without being completely nude. Imagine the fan mail if he had been...(I can pretend!) Who was the show’s MVP: Reaver. He wins a PPV Match and I know he's wanted to do that for a while now so big props to him. Additional comments: TMarv to me had the best overall rp of the PPV. His 2nd was just fantastic! A close second is Level One's set of promos, he just has a grasping story and does a damn good job at laying it down. If words was game, they'd both be Hugh Hefner. EDIT: I'm also somewhat attracted to Envi's new GIF video, "I don't care" just helps the attraction. Yea that chick is hot. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Aug 29, 2013 20:34:02 GMT -4
No love for Havok Vs Johnson? You really had to ask that? Oh yeah, that's right, we're supposed to hide the fact that we're talking. My bad.  |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Aug 29, 2013 23:42:50 GMT -4
Havok trying to be funny is...FUNNY!! Haha welcome back brother.
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 30, 2013 0:40:51 GMT -4
Fine. Here are my thoughts on Nate vs Johnson.  |
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Post by Reaver on Aug 30, 2013 1:45:46 GMT -4
lol envi ftw!
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Aug 30, 2013 19:01:28 GMT -4
Hell, I'll even like that one!
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Aug 30, 2013 19:01:52 GMT -4
PS... Jeff only wants props, because Jeff wrote it.
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Post by President Jeff on Aug 30, 2013 19:39:40 GMT -4
You could give me props Havok
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Aug 30, 2013 19:42:20 GMT -4
You could give me props Havok  Here you go. Props from one of the Star Trek movies. Hows that for funny, Kash? Suck it, you bald fucker!  |
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Post by President Jeff on Aug 30, 2013 19:43:19 GMT -4
If I was a fan of Star Trek, I'd be creamin myself right now
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 30, 2013 20:18:47 GMT -4
Props, Jeff. I wish you'd write more of MY MATCHES!
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Post by President Jeff on Aug 30, 2013 21:18:13 GMT -4
Hard to write your matches when you always sign up for them lol
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Great match most of the way through, from the intro on out. Turned into an hellacious brawl that I totally bought on the part of both men - this felt like one with a lot invested, even sandwiched between some Epic Feudly matches. Had about the greatest screwy ending ever, but you already knew that, right? Right. Looking forward to the follow-up from this one... especially from Kash. 
It reminded me of WWE's Attitude Era. All in all, 'grats to Smith. 
