Embarassed

[Streets Wilson]

this is kind of embarrassing but.. I don't have anything to rival the RP's I see up there... its kind of discouraging. How long does it take someone to write RP's that fucking long? Pence? Level One?

[Jesse Nuñez™]

haha a long ass time. But if you don't have the time just write something so incredible that you don't need as long of a rp to match theirs, cause chances are once you have a great idea and start writing its gonna come out long anyways.

[Nick Watson]

Well...I really don't have much to say, length doesn't always win battles. Remember it is quality over quantity. I just started writing earlier last week and I didn't want to disgrace the Test for the Best payperview, there were times during that rp I said...screw it just let Level One win. I remember scrapping the idea for the storyline about five times last week. I went over and over which storyline I should use, but I was happy with the final product. All I can say is follow your gut man, your gut usually leads you to what you believe is great. It is not about winning remember that, it is about enjoying what you write, and making character developments that will make your character even more enjoyable to write.

Edit: I could have released last night, but decided against it because the ending that I had plotted for the rant was less than subpar and I didn't want everybody to get pissed at me for being anything but superb. So I deleted the majority of the ending and reworked it. Usually the best work you will do will be made as a rewrite. If something doesn't seem good enough to you, take a little time to think, for me I needed to sleep. Just something I thought I should add.

[Level-Two]

Jul 6, 2009 15:32:10 GMT -4 Streets Wilson said:

this is kind of embarrassing but.. I don't have anything to rival the RP's I see up there... its kind of discouraging. How long does it take someone to write RP's that fucking long? Pence? Level One?

38, 000.

Please don't come at me like that. My roleplay wasn't that long, and there has been COUNTLESS roleplays posted much longer than that time and time before, and nobody says a damn thing. Yet, it's been pointed out three times this week. For what reason?

I don't want to point fingers, but this is what--the second time I post a roleplay that long, and I'm being pointed out as a novelist?

I AM a novelist, but I haven't been posting novelist roleplays during the time I've been here.

[Slade "The Main Man" Craven]

When it comes to my roleplay, I wanted to do more on my opponent but sadly nothing was posted until after I finished and was coding my roleplay for posting. Also Joey asked me not to use anything from his in my first roleplay. I just went with something fun. It all depends on your use of imagery and diction. Thats what can build length.

[Death Wish]

Quality over quanity???

It all boils down to personal oppinion. If you feal you did a good job then thats what counts.

I think if you have fun writting it, then you did your job. If you escaped the real world for a brief moment and thought you were stepping in front of a camera ready to lace up the boots, then you mission was accomplished.

As for Novilists, or small portioned writers who cares, RP to have fun. RP for you, not for the win, and the wins will come. I'm sure Level One doesn't write epics for all to read, he writes them to challenge himself as a writer which he is damn good at.

Pences RP seems to have had effort, and passion poured out into it. I think that is where he is at. If you aren't there then so be it, but not RP'ing because someone put up an Epic is kind of silly.

You should RP to your style, with the best of your effort. Put something up you enjoy instead of worrying about the fact that "He put up 688,998,557 words of material on the boards" and you think your beaten.

We have a shit load of talent here, and everyone should be proud of their stuff instead of looking at others in envy. RP for yourself...simple as that!

[President Jeff]

Well said Death Wish.

RP to have fun, not to win. Create a charater you can have fun with and bring to life. Don't compare yourself to other people and put yourself down because you don't write as much as so and so. Because when you have fun with your character (And if your not, go a different direction with him) then the heart and passion of the writing just pours out. Just lose yourself in the character and the magic happens.

[Level-Two]

Well, I'd be lying if I said I didn't write my roleplays with the INTENT to win--but Death Wish actually hit the nail on the head there.

Furthermore, Streets. You aren't facing me, nor Pence--thus I don't see how our roleplays effect you.

Best of luck to you, regardless.

[BDC]

It's a game at the end of the day, and everyone is lying if they say they don't rp to win.

That being said, it's also about enjoying writing. I used to get shit in EWC 'cause my rps were huge (they actualy changed the rules in regard to rp length), and it pissed me off that I had to hold back, just because people were intimidated by my length ... and I mean that in whatever way you all take it lol (hehehehe, I more or less said you all take my length hehehehehehe).

Anyway, I'm off my tits on morphine at the mo, 'cause my knee is fucked, so none of this probably makes sense, but that's never stopped me before

Basicaly, if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. Is someone writes a long rp, but it's shit - they will lose (unless their opponent is also shit, then it's happy times). Same goes if someone writes a short rp that's shit.

Write as much as you want to write, and put in as much effort as you want to put in. If your opponent writes an epic rp that's amazing, and you can't be fucked to put in the same kind of effort - unlucky, you'll probably lose.

Is it fair? Who knows ... life's not fair, and we've all got problems, so it all comes down to two options.

Option 1: Say "fuck it", get on with it, and do your best.

Or.

Option 2: Say "fuck it", ignore it, and don't bother doing anything.

Either option is cool, and as long as you're honest about it and say it as it is, no one will think worse of you. All I'll say though is that if you (or anyone else) don't want to rp because you feel that it's a waste of time 'cause you know you're going to lose, be upfront and say so.

I hate excuses from people when we all know it's a load of bullshit, and they just couldn't man up about it.

Anyway, I haven't got a clue what the fuck I've rambled on about, so B out!

[Joey Orsome]

The thing is, a long RP that is written well is great but some long RPs can be boring and just a waste of peoples time.

I did bring up the length of L1's RP but that was mainly down to that fact I had only read 5 other RPs from the site. After reviweing some others I notice that he isn't an extremely long RPer.

You write within your very own comfort barrier and skill as a writer. Some are more skilled at writing, that's the way it works.

[BDC]

Orsome's mom swallows.

[Joey Orsome]

How old are you again?

[BDC]

30

Sorry dude, I'm all high on pain killers, so I'll apologise properly when I care enough lol.

[biggs]

Throwing my two cents into the conversation, length in roleplays doesn't matter so much as creativity and clarity. If you clearly set what direction your character is heading in, what his goals and objectives are, and find a way to make it entertaining, it doesn't matter how long an RP is. Granted, really short RPs have a tendency to not give enough information or flesh things out enough, nor does an RP have to be long to be good.
Considering how much time I spend writing matches, if I wanted to write an epic roleplay of epicness, I would plan for about a week or so in advance. Also, if I know who I'm feuding with at a PPV, I generally plan about a month ahead, thinking of all the storybeats I want to hit on my way to the match. Having a basic outline of what I want to do with my character for the next month really helps me to have a map of where I want to take my character, rather than just going out and getting lost trying to figure out where I'm going.
I agree with Chris that every RPer is essentially RPing to win on some level. But not everybody is going to have the desire or skill to write an interesting, long roleplay. Also, some people's characters won't warrant super long RPs. Take my character, for example. I have established that Biggs the wrestler is a different than Biggs the man outside the ring. Therefore, it would be silly for me to try and write a roleplay like Pence's where his trainer dies. (Great RP, btw, Pence) Biggs the person would be devistated, but Biggs the wrestler wouldn't even acknowledge that he has a trainer. With my character, my RPs are mostly trash talk with some (hopefully) funny road stories thrown in. The point I guess I'm really trying to make is decide how you want to present your character, and find a roleplay style that fits that goal. And don't worry how much the other guys are saying, just think of ways that you can use their RPs against them.

[Joey Orsome]

B you still on meds. I can remember you being on them over a year ago.

[BDC]

I've got arthritis mate, so yeah.

I used to play rugby to a reasonably high standard, and blew my knee out during a trial for Neath (who merged with Swansea to become the Ospreys). I then did the ligaments in both of my ankles about three years after that playing football (or soccer as most people here probably know it).

I also found out two years ago that I dislocated my shoulder sometime during my rugby career, so the muscle and stuff has grown around it or some shit, and they can't put it back into place without a huge operation.

I was working full time when I was playing rugby, and my boss only gave me a week off when I blew my knee (I was doing furniture removals), so I didn't go to the hospital 'cause I was worried I'd lose my job, and went back to work with shot ligaments and cartilage damage.

Needless to say I regret that decision now lol. So basicaly I'm a walking wreck, but oh well

In regard to some of Biggs' comments, I am really impressed at the fact that the "new age" rpers tend to plan their rps in advance, and work on them through the week. Personaly, I sit in front of the screen and randomly start typing (well, I used to anyway). I never plan anything, and before I know it 3, 4 ... sometimes up to 6 hours have passed and I haven't got a clue what I've just typed. I never bother re-reading it or checking for spelling mistakes, put the colours I like in, and then post and hope for the best. It's weird, 'cause I go into a kind of trance.

My "style" probably relates to why I'll never write a novel, because everytime I try to plan something my brain turns to shit. I'm definately an "in the moment" kind of writer. Also, some people had the ability to wind me up (for instance me and Jesse had a bit of a lovers tiff, and we didn't like each other very much OOC ... which was mostly my fault I'll admit. Anyway, our rps were always ... fiery to say the least, but man, the heat was awesome!) and I couldn't wait to tear them a new asshole in my rp.

Damn I wish I had time to rp full time again lol.

[biggs]

It's actually pretty sad, I'll be at work, plotting out my next month's worth of storylines. Depending on how Test for the Best turns out, I actually have two story lines floating around in my head, one if I win the tourney, the other if I don't.

[Joey Orsome]

I dont plan shit. For my exams I was told plan your work for 5 mins so you have a base. Fuck that if it pops into my head and I like it Ijust write..., I can sometimes write for 2 hours straight and not even realise it cause it flows so freely out of me. Its weird. I never liked planning cause Id always fucking change it anyway.

[John Green]

Same here.

[Streets Wilson]

generally the person with the longer rp wins though

[Joey Orsome]

WRONG! ^^^^

[John Green]

Not really my friend. There was once a efedder in EWC by the name of Sean Ferguson and he dismantled people with long rp's. His trash talk was so fucking amazing and he was one of Brawl's biggest Main Eventers if you ask me.

[Joey Orsome]

Along with many others may I add. Remember Wilson, its been said so many times, quality over quantity. A long RP can be 3 times worse that a decently written shorter RP. It is all down to creativity and ability as a writer.

[Level-Two]

John Green posted something in the 50, 000+ characters and lost to Pence who posted a quarter of that a few weeks ago...

Quality.

[John Green]

True.

[Level-Two]

Jul 7, 2009 16:36:03 GMT -4 John Green said:

True.

Sorry for uh, throwing you under the short bus.

[John Green]

LOL

[Joey Orsome]

Point proven perfectly?

[Nick Watson]

I am not a short bus! I prefer not too large bus! ALRIGHT! GOD!

[Streets Wilson]

i said GENERALLY. Read it properly. People around here are always quick with a response but not necessarily a good one. Just because you are able to name one occasion where it didn't happen that way doesn't make me wrong... I could name hundreds where the better rp didn't win over the longer one. Not particularly in this federation cause its seems to be exactly how it is advertised here but as I said... in GENERAL. To be honest usually after about a 10-15 page read it starts to get tedious and stupid... and sometimes much earlier than that. I have problems with confidence in my own RP's the most, I scrap them and then think "wait, that was good" and do the same exact thing over again, than I think that its stupid again and do something completely different. They would probably be a lot better if I wasn't so self conscious about the way their coming off. I used to have problems in a different fed with the owner because I was so damn sure I had won and there was no chance the other guy won but sure enough come results time the other guy would win. I would get pissed because I had serious problems with the way they judged the results. The opponent would do his little "rant" and say shit that made absolutely no sense with typos, inconstancy's and just plain falsehoods, I would respond by discrediting every single thing they said and just plain embarrassing them and then I would somehow still lose. I would yell at the judge about how if your RP makes no sense in the context of the situation and in general, that it shouldn't even count... I don't really know how I got all the way to this subject but.... yeah.... that's what I just typed...

On a completely unrelated note I just watched the documentary "The 11th Day" ... AMAZING story.