Johnny Insane
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 14, 2009 8:42:25 GMT -4
2 Months ago, CM Punk was the WORLD Heavyweight Champion... and now, he's jobbing out to R-Truth in a DARK MATCH for a ppv? A pay per view that's named after the match he defeated Jeff Hardy in earlier this year. The same Jeff Hardy that made TLC fucking famous.
What the hell is WWE's problem? The man is gaining massive heat and the bookers still want to take him out of the main event. Why? The guy is gold. And, from what I've read, Vince McMahon has become a huge fan of his.
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Post by J-Mart on Dec 14, 2009 8:52:51 GMT -4
Hey, a loss to R-Truth isn't jobbing out!
The guy's a 2-Time world champ in TNA.
But yes, WWE doesn't know what they're doing with their talent.
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 14, 2009 8:54:33 GMT -4
And might I add, Shamus is the new World Champion
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Post by J-Mart on Dec 14, 2009 8:56:48 GMT -4
No fucking way Jeff. How do you know? When was this PPV?
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 14, 2009 8:59:45 GMT -4
Last Night
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Post by J-Mart on Dec 14, 2009 9:01:18 GMT -4
Oh. Now THAT's bullshit.
btw why don't you do that blog anymore?
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 14, 2009 9:08:06 GMT -4
Because I have no time for it. I haven't even watched wrestling in a month. Been too busy with Working, and APW
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 14, 2009 9:14:14 GMT -4
Sheamus as WWE champion is a breath of fresh air. Plus, they needed someone to take the belt off Cena so Orton could get the title again.
I predict Cena vs. Orton vs. Sheamus at Royal Rumble.
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Post by justaguy on Dec 14, 2009 9:20:06 GMT -4
Yea, because what we all want is Cena vs Orton. Breath of fresh air indeed.
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 14, 2009 9:31:30 GMT -4
I hear a lot of people saying Sheamus will probably lose tonight on Raw, which I hope is true. I'm all for pushing new talent and all that, but come on now, Sheamus? The guy isn't even Over. He only won it cause he's friends with Triple H, thats it. No one cares about Sheamus, and no one wants to see Sheamus headline any PPV's. I rather have seen Dibiasi win the title, I think it would have made more sense, have Dibiasi go face by turning on Orton and then build up Orton Vs Dibiasi
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Dec 14, 2009 12:58:20 GMT -4
i read somewhere the ending was a mistake. Cena and Shemaus were suppose to fall through two different tables at the same time resulting in a draw, but the table Shemaus landed on didn't break. I dont know if that is true cause I didn't see the ppv, but a couple of people said the same thing.
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 14, 2009 14:08:42 GMT -4
There was no mistake in the ending. I watched the end of the match on youtube. A table was set up near the corner, Cena had Sheamus on the top rope and goes for a superplex through the table, but it looked like Sheamus pushed Cena off the ropes and Cena (Which you can obviously tell jumped off the ropes) went through the table.
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 14, 2009 14:19:33 GMT -4
Yea, because what we all want is Cena vs Orton. Breath of fresh air indeed. Actually... the way I see it... Orton wins at Rumble, and since Cena can't face Orton no more and vice versa, that would give people like Kofi Kingston, MVP, Mark Henry, and maybe even Evan Bourne some time to shine as they need to establish main event faces immediately. |
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Dec 14, 2009 23:48:41 GMT -4
Yea, because what we all want is Cena vs Orton. Breath of fresh air indeed. Actually... the way I see it... Orton wins at Rumble, and since Cena can't face Orton no more and vice versa, that would give people like Kofi Kingston, MVP, Mark Henry, and maybe even Evan Bourne some time to shine as they need to establish main event faces immediately. Actually Orton could still face Cena, just not for the WWE Championship. And that stipulation was only in effect until Cena lost the title, which he did. |
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Post by Victor Hades on Dec 15, 2009 0:14:13 GMT -4
As a former "independent worker" of wrestling, if I even want to go that far...without starting any pointless, harsh, or stupid dramatic arguments, here is my two-cents/point of view on all of this: 1. Sheamus is great and holds a very big deal of potential, but should be no where near deserving of the title. At this point and time yet anyway, though he holds the image. 2. Some people need to not be dense, here. EVERYONE around the world who has been a fan of wrestling lately bitches about WWE (or promotions in general) not pushing new faces. Well, alas, there ya go. A new face being pushed. It's GOOD when WWE takes a gamble on new faces. Sometimes it works (Lesnar, Orton, Cena), sometimes it doesn't (---->Lashley<----). Nevertheless, it has ALL of you talking and wanting to watch the show, right? That's the point of wrestling. Make people watch, make money and make people interested in the product. Some people who aren't even watching regularly right now have told me they wanted to watch the TLC pay-per-view. That's a GOOD thing. Sheamus going over for the title last night was a bold, shocking and overall positive move for the company. Especially at this point in time. The next three events all sell themselves. WWE could have a bonafied new star on their hands if they allow him to look strong between now and Wrestlemania, have Cena chase him for the title or even someone new (Kofi, MVP, etc). and have him drop it then. If they handle this situation correctly, they can make a bunch of money, sell a bunch of tickets and make even more new stars. If they opt to not have Cena chase Sheamus for months, they can allow this time for Sheamus to feud with new faces and allow Cena to begin making new stars in the upper midcard. This is ALL positive... 3. As for all of the Cena haters, please just let it go and give it up. This isn't 2005 anymore. It's old. The man is legitimately the top guy in the company. He's the face of the WWE banner and like it or not, anyone who isn't established that goes over Cena, gets an instant rub from defeating him. Hell, some people don't even need to beat him, they just need to be involved in a feud with him (ie: The Miz). 4. It's just wrestling guys, these people are doing their jobs, and getting paid pretty well to do it. Even if it means making you wet your pants you're so excited or if it means pissing you off. (Ex: Sheamus becoming World Champion, I can guarantee you the rate he's probably getting paid for holding that title, he could really care less what anyone thinks anyway as long as he's getting paid.) 5. And lastly, Sheamus has some pretty cool theme music. I'm not saying this because I'm Irish/Celtic as well, or because I'm a die-hard fan of Sheamus, but I give the guy credit for his work. He's at least busting his ass trying and getting somewhere in his life and career. Wouldn't anyone else be wanting to do the same? Again, just a viewpoint is all. I can totally agree with how some of you are seeing this. It's just something I felt to put out there as someone who has seen how things are run, and experience a small part of it. My hats off to Sheamus, it'll be interesting to see if he runs with the ball for a good time or falls short and flakes out in the WWE. -cough-Bill Goldberg-cough-. /end rant.  |
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 15, 2009 1:57:34 GMT -4
As a former "independent worker" of wrestling, if I even want to go that far...without starting any pointless, harsh, or stupid dramatic arguments, here is my two-cents/point of view on all of this: How long ago did you go inactive? I just went active not too long ago. And when you put it in quotes, does that mean legit indy worker? I have no problem with Sheamus... I'm just pissed that CM Punk is jobbing out in PPV dark matches. New face pushes FTW... Jackie Williams for APW Champion (ironically, the APW I wrestle for is Action Packed Wrestling). Only problem with them taking a gamble on Sheamus is that he's still green, and from watching his first three matches on Raw, he's very unsafe. Hell, even last night, I saw him blow spots. The Miz put himself over... and I just don't like Cena... I've been saying that for years now, has nothing to do with the band wagon riders... I also have hated The Rock since he dropped N.O.D. See, if you were a former worker, then you'd realize that the opinions of the fans is what gets you paid. Higher interest in you = higher spot on card. Higher spot on card = Higher pay. Higher pay = WWE contract. WWE contract = greatest thing for a wrestler... I mean Superstar. Goldberg was a nobody anyways... Hell, WCW was a pure joke to begin with, except for when Austin was US Champion and when Lance Storm got the US belt. Other than that, I got tired of seeing the same old Dusty Finish. And like I said, I like Sheamus too. I just want CM Punk to get the push he deserves as well. Afterall, there are two World titles. |
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Post by Assassin on Dec 15, 2009 2:07:42 GMT -4
I've heard that Punk's deal is because he thinks he's as big as john Cena with in the company. Because when he was the champion and had to start dressing nice on the road he said something about Cena not having to do it to Undertaker and apprentley that got him alot of heat in the locker room.
Now i don't know if that's died down or not but that could be it. That's just what I've heard.
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Post by Victor Hades on Dec 15, 2009 4:02:23 GMT -4
I've heard that Punk's deal is because he thinks he's as big as john Cena with in the company. Because when he was the champion and had to start dressing nice on the road he said something about Cena not having to do it to Undertaker and apprentley that got him alot of heat in the locker room. Now i don't know if that's died down or not but that could be it. That's just what I've heard. All true from what I've heard as well. John, yeah as I said I was "Somewhat of an independent worker" in local companies...none big or to be recognized unless you're familiar with SCW a company ROH's Tyler Black grew big from. I never got the opportunity to finish training, but I've become green throughout the years of experience and training I did recieve. Just threw it out there is all, and I understand how the card works, but for promoters it's also about what appeals and goes over the most with the fans as well. Not always the biggest workers. Either way, I hope Punk comes back down to reality and becomes the phenomenal wrestler he was in IWA/ROH. That and Sheamus doesn't choke on a big push like this one... |
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Dec 15, 2009 4:48:48 GMT -4
CM Punk gets a lot of credit. Armando Alejandro Estrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrada HA-HA! named a chicken sandwich after him in his restaurant in Glendale, Arizona. Which btw, that restaurant kicks ass cause its soooooo good. The service is great, and theres WWE stuff in there! haha
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Post by Streets Wilson on Dec 15, 2009 13:41:04 GMT -4
i can't beleive people have the audacity to bash the WCW when their the ones watching the current WWE product... it makes me yearn for the days when you had a choice in programs. when talen wasn't at the mercy of a single old man who lost touch with the "real" wrestling fans a long time ago. And I know people will have something to say about that comment but thats how I feel, because I NEVER thought i'd see the day where I didn't watch wrestling anymore, but that is currently the case... I just heard about this sheamus thing because i try to periodically check prowrestling.com to see if anything crazy is happening. In my opinion this Sheamus thing is the best move the WWE has made since bringing back the NWO in 2001. Meaning, its surprising, its exciting, its a step in the right direction. Gee, maybe I WON'T be able to easily and patheticly predict EXACTLY whats going to happen next... is that supposed to be a bad thing? And for all the talk of John Cena, young talent coming up, and peoples ability to work or not: at this point all that shit is kind of irrelivent to me (die Cena) when my interest in the product at large is completely drained...
And my computer was completely fried to the point it had to just be thrown out so thats why Streets Wilson dissapeared for a while.
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 15, 2009 15:12:35 GMT -4
i can't beleive people have the audacity to bash the WCW when their the ones watching the current WWE product... it makes me yearn for the days when you had a choice in programs. when talen wasn't at the mercy of a single old man who lost touch with the "real" wrestling fans a long time ago. And I know people will have something to say about that comment but thats how I feel, because I NEVER thought i'd see the day where I didn't watch wrestling anymore, but that is currently the case... I just heard about this sheamus thing because i try to periodically check prowrestling.com to see if anything crazy is happening. In my opinion this Sheamus thing is the best move the WWE has made since bringing back the NWO in 2001. Meaning, its surprising, its exciting, its a step in the right direction. Gee, maybe I WON'T be able to easily and patheticly predict EXACTLY whats going to happen next... is that supposed to be a bad thing? And for all the talk of John Cena, young talent coming up, and peoples ability to work or not: at this point all that shit is kind of irrelivent to me (die Cena) when my interest in the product at large is completely drained... And my computer was completely fried to the point it had to just be thrown out so thats why Streets Wilson dissapeared for a while. Ok so because I didn't like WCW, however, I watched promotions like Classic NWA, MCW, and even New Japan I don't know wrestling? Even better... because I currently watch WWE, as well as a shit load of indy wrestling, and the fact that I compete in a ring every Friday night means I don't know wrestling... Yet the same person who says wrestling sucks only refers to wrestling because of WWE. The same person who doesn't stop to think about promotions like AAA, New Japan, NOAH, ROH, Chikara, PWG, NWA, TNA, etc and he wants to say that wrestling in whole sucks. Right, shut up you stupid mark. |
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Post by Slade "The Main Man" Craven on Dec 15, 2009 15:22:48 GMT -4
Well who would have thought we'd see the pot calling the kettle black. First and foremost, calling someone a mark here is redundent, we all are marks. Furthermore a fresly trained wrestler, who is still green, has no business calling people a mark for stating their opinion. Streets was just shocked some people wanted to dis WCW. Calme the hell down there son. Slade has spoken! |
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 15, 2009 15:40:08 GMT -4
Well who would have thought we'd see the pot calling the kettle black. First and foremost, calling someone a mark here is redundent, we all are marks. Furthermore a fresly trained wrestler, who is still green, has no business calling people a mark for stating their opinion. Streets was just shocked some people wanted to dis WCW. Calme the hell down there son. Slade has spoken! It's not a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Stating an opinion is one thing... yet saying that someone doesn't know wrestling simply because they watch the current product is another thing. So what, I watch the current WWE. Why wouldn't I? Just because it's PG doesn't mean they don't put on some great matches or great storylines. And even still, I watch a lot more than WWE, which would totally let people realize that I'm either obsessed with wrestling or studying... in which case it's both if I'm watching Ric Flair and the Four Horseman. I mean seriously, he's stereotyping a lot of wrestling fans just because they still watch WWE and saying they don't know wrestling. How the hell can we not know wrestling? |
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Post by Streets Wilson on Dec 15, 2009 16:07:53 GMT -4
Well who would have thought we'd see the pot calling the kettle black. First and foremost, calling someone a mark here is redundent, we all are marks. Furthermore a fresly trained wrestler, who is still green, has no business calling people a mark for stating their opinion. Streets was just shocked some people wanted to dis WCW. Calme the hell down there son. Slade has spoken! It's not a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Stating an opinion is one thing... yet saying that someone doesn't know wrestling simply because they watch the current product is another thing. So what, I watch the current WWE. Why wouldn't I? Just because it's PG doesn't mean they don't put on some great matches or great storylines. And even still, I watch a lot more than WWE, which would totally let people realize that I'm either obsessed with wrestling or studying... in which case it's both if I'm watching Ric Flair and the Four Horseman. I mean seriously, he's stereotyping a lot of wrestling fans just because they still watch WWE and saying they don't know wrestling. How the hell can we not know wrestling? it might be a case of the pot calling the kettle a retard because i said no such thing, it may have been slightly implied, but I was defending WCW |
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Post by Streets Wilson on Dec 15, 2009 16:10:02 GMT -4
and to be quite honest you said everything that needed to be said... the PG rating the quality of matches... I never brought any of that up... But I guess your right though I'm pretty much just referring to just WWE when I say "wrestling" because if you want to watch anything else you really have to go seek it out. All you "counter-marks" better regognize that some people don't like the PG shit... its not that surprising. I'm an adult and I like adult programming aimed at adults...
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Post by Slade "The Main Man" Craven on Dec 15, 2009 16:21:59 GMT -4
Well for one, WWE really is not considered studying anymore. Even the people who trained me say that. Its sad to say that, people watch WWE for the flashy moves or the soap opera. Granted one in every hundred matches is exemplary, the caliber of show has deteriorated since Vince no longer plays the crowd like they did in the old days. The fans have very little sway in what’s going on anymore.
With the destruction of the Diva's and Cruiserweight division (and to the Diva's I mean the performance) its boiled down to a select few styles worth watching, even the tag team division has gone down hill.
I think the point Streets was making was to insult a federation like WCW is insulting to some of the greatest performers who ever fought. WCW may not have won the Monday Night War but it still stayed true to what wrestling was.
If you are studying i think it should be a note of grade level. Follow me on this, (its not meant as an insult) Current WWE is elementary, Silver age (Rock/Austin) WWE is middle school, and golden age (Hogan/Andre etc) is high school
Then when you want to get into the higher levels get the WCCW, the Sportitorium videos. Its just a thought. Take it from someone who has done this curriculum. It really makes your matches look a whole lot better.
As a dedicated fan, well my fire for WWE has long since died out. Mainly because i find it stale.
However my true point is no one on these boards has the right to call anyone a mark, that’s the only reason I said anything.
Once again heed the words of "The Main Man"
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Post by Johnny Insane on Dec 15, 2009 16:45:33 GMT -4
Depending on who you watch in WWE, you can still learn a lot. No matter how old, or how much pull they have, HBK & HHH are still two people I can watch nowadays and get a classic match.
And you don't even have to do a lot of research to find wrestling other than WWE. Especially if you still have cable (yes, even digital). Just go to the search menu and enter "Wrestling" I bet you either a local promotion or some other indy promotion will come up.
I do agree that the Cruiser division could be brought back. As Cruisers and Lightweights can put on some interesting matches.
And seriously, once Bischoff got his hands on WCW, IMO it went downhill. Sure, they were getting ratings but in the end their storylines didn't make sense. I mean, Hulk Hogan pinned a man in a Texas Bullrope match and not only that, but the entire promotion went with it and had the bell ring, the music play, and everything before someone realized he didn't touch the corners.
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 15, 2009 17:42:17 GMT -4
Everyone is entitled to their oppions, no need to say something that may spark an arguement.
My problem with Sheamus winning the title is mainly the fact that he's been on Raw for a month and really, all he's done with retire Jamie Nobel, kick Jerry Lawler in the head, put a guest host through a table and win a battle Royal. He really hasn't done anything that makes me want to watch Raw and see him. I probably would have been cool with all this if they would have build Sheamus more, but the guy isn't even over. He won the belt and got no crowd reaction.
If they wanted to surprise us with a title switch, have Matt Hardy win it. Have Hurricane Helms win it. Even have Kofi win it. Someone that fans actually care about.
I don't mind WWE going PG, I rather see the wrestlers wrestle safer matches than killing themselfs in the long run. I only with there would let the wrestlers bleed, only because it add that little extra to those important matches
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Post by Slade "The Main Man" Craven on Dec 15, 2009 18:04:50 GMT -4
Shouldn't some people be roleplaying?
LOL
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Dec 15, 2009 18:13:51 GMT -4
Lets all look on the bright side. Cena won't lose a match until he has won the WWE Title again. I am happy because I didn't want to go to Wrestlemania and see a losing John Cena. haha ;D
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