Branden Harvey's a Bastard Mafia Game Thread

[Michael Jennings]

I want to hear from Rebel first before doing anything voting wise.

[SalTal]

Jul 26, 2011 1:26:57 GMT -4 jc said:

Who drew the most attention from Rebel last day phase and set the ball rolling for a JD lynch? That person and rebel need to be our focus.

Blade and Lester were pretty hard on Rbel after Hart got bumped out.

I'm a bit unclear on what really went don after that.

But, interesting enough, you said that your dodgy detective work indicated CJ was suspect, Lester. I'm going back to review the days between Hart and CJ now.

But you're also hard on Rebel right now too.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jul 25, 2011 22:57:26 GMT -4 SalTal said:

I won't be on Johnny at the start, but he's as good as anyone right now.

I, too, can't believe that you all ended up on JD. We had a better case on Rebel than we did JD. But them's our luck.

Rebel, I think you're on a ticking clock. Anything you want to add?

I'm sorry I haven't been as active as I'd like but I'm currently out of town for a work thing and have limited time on the internet.

I haven't read much -- the only thing I can tell you is that according to the information I have, Sally is innocent. Because I was out of town, I did not have the opportunity to have my eyes open during the last night phase.

I'll post more when I'm able and answer some of the questions that have been asked about me.

[SalTal]

Jul 26, 2011 7:18:05 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

I can tell you is that according to the information I have, Sally is innocent.

I'm perplexed. You see, I know I'm Town. Whatever information Rebel has gained is true. But, if he gained incorrect information about CJ it confuses me. In what role/situation (this question is addressed to others and not fishing for Rebel) could that happen?

In saying that, it may well be that he had information on CJ that didn't incriminate him as scum, just it intimated that he had had night activity.

But, as you're the only one that's backing me as being Town (which I am), I'm more open to the idea that you're not.

Who has become more suspicious to me is Lester. Not only does he continue to think I am scum, but you have a very strange record so far.

It's confusing, because you confirmed that TMarv is Town (though I don't know if he is - he may well be your scum partner).

But you keep on me, and you were happy to start the ball rolling on JD (albeit Jeff was the first vote). But within an hour or so of posting, you had 3 or 4 more votes on him ... who turns up Town.

Similarly, two rounds before you threw your lot in with Hart. Ok, so we didn't know he was insane, but his cop role fed him bad info which you depended on (of course, depended on it as much as everyone else).

You went after Rebel then purely because he had said he saw Hart try and kill someone. Maybe he saw 'something' and not an attempted kill? Which he has assumed was an attempted kill? What if he saw Hart investigate CJ, which would actually be in line with what happens.

1. Hart investigates CJ, sees CJ is scum.
2. Rebel watches Hart, who is actually invetigating CJ not trying to kill him?
3. Hart reports that CJ is scum, turns up insane so we know that CJ is Town.

If Rebel got a night action saying that Hart just 'did something' then Rebel wouldn't have been lying, would he? And any of his subsequent invetigating could be legit (rather than accusing him of being the 'Blade' of this round):

Jul 22, 2011 12:41:57 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Johnny Rebel says he's 100% sure he saw Stephan Heart try to kill someone last night which is very odd considering SH has claimed cop. Also, odd how Blade tried a similar move on Johnny Rebel himself, LAST game. What's most telling, is that despite claiming he KNOWS SH tried to night kill someone, he doesn't even vote for Stephan Hart.

Let's remember that if Hart was the insane cop, there could/should still be a regular cop out and about, yeah?

Now, keeping with you Lester, you were happy to vote CJ the previous round, and then he turns up dead. Not necessarily a coincidence, but CJ turns up Town when you made the claim that you were convinced by Hart that CJ was scum.

Actually, I think I've convinced myself now that you're scum now. Feel free to go after me (I fully expect it, that's the nature of the game) now. I'm not trying to put up a defense of Rebel, more an investigation of you now, Lester.

After you, TMarv is my next suspicious.

[President Jeff]

Sally makes a good point on Rebel in trying to clear him, but that could just be them working together as scum

I’m not surprised that CJ got killed. Yah, I know I started the Lynch on him, but the fact that he didn’t get mod killed, I thought maybe he had a no speaking role of some sort. Either way, by getting rid of him, we didn’t lose anything, he wasn’t playing the game anyway.

I think CJ got killed because he was the only confirmed Townie that was revealed. Scum killed CJ to put the townies back to square 1 in not knowing 100% sure who’s a townie

[SalTal]

Jul 26, 2011 8:10:29 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

Sally makes a good point on Rebel in trying to clear him, but that could just be them working together as scum

I’m not surprised that CJ got killed. Yah, I know I started the Lynch on him, but the fact that he didn’t get mod killed, I thought maybe he had a no speaking role of some sort. Either way, by getting rid of him, we didn’t lose anything, he wasn’t playing the game anyway.

I think CJ got killed because he was the only confirmed Townie that was revealed. Scum killed CJ to put the townies back to square 1 in not knowing 100% sure who’s a townie

Are you confusing CJ and JD, Jeff? Because CJ was more active than him?

[President Jeff]

opps, Forgot a sentence in here. My last post should read

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Sally makes a good point on Rebel in trying to clear him, but that could just be them working together as scum

I know I started the Lynch on JD and he came out town, but the fact that he didn’t get mod killed, I thought maybe he had a no speaking role of some sort. Either way, by getting rid of him, we didn’t lose anything, he wasn’t playing the game anyway and wasn't voting for anyone. Its not like we really lost a vote anyways

I’m not surprised that CJ got killed. I think CJ got killed because he was the only confirmed Townie that was revealed. Scum killed CJ to put the townies back to square 1 in not knowing 100% sure who’s a townie

[T-Marv]

Not sure why I'm suspicious, but whatever.

My night action is useless. Night 2 Level One visited Hart.
Night 3 he visited JD Storm.

Now unless there's something wicked going on with L-0ne, my abilities are bastardized. And if Branden is really running a Bastard game, remind me to smack him.

Tonight, I'll use it on somebody else to see if I get a different result.

I'm also confused why there was no night 1 or 2 kills. I think there might be a successful roleblocker instead of the inactive explaination we were using.

[President Jeff]

Jul 26, 2011 11:23:03 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

I'm also confused why there was no night 1 or 2 kills. I think there might be a successful roleblocker instead of the inactive explaination we were using.

If that was the case, wouldn't there have been no kills on night 3

I would assume the roleblocker would have blocked the same person 3 nights in a row and also put 2 and 2 together knowing who the killer is and give us some info on the situation

Another option would be that a Doctor saved who ever was getting killed, if that was the case, Doctor needs to speak up and tell us who they protected on all 3 nights

[Level-Two]

Huge scum tell with Sally Talfourd absolutely twisting the FUCK out of everything I have done in this game, meanwhile sugar coating the fact that Johnny Rebel apparently has some type of role where he's virtually able to do whatever the fuck he wants, when he wants.

He claims Hart is scum and tried to kill someone; which we know isn't true. Now he comes out and is able to ''clear'' Sally as town; as if he's some type of cop now. This guy is full of shit and I'm suspicious of anyone who refuses to vote his way. He's using this bastard concept to his advantage for why his information is wrong.

Sally, T- Marv is town and I know his exact role. Without giving myself away, his role is specifically made to counteract with mine. He can use his role on me the entire game and he will get the same results.

Now as for your garbage.

Who has become more suspicious to me is Lester. Not only does he continue to think I am scum, but you have a very strange record so far.

Where do I continue to think you're scum? The only thing I said about you being scum is that you snapped on Hart with an uncharacteristic post which could because your not playing as town, any more. Beyond that, saying you were the better lynch then CJ Gates at the time Hart had his info; was me taking things from HIS point of view and what HE had as HIS information.

But you keep on me, and you were happy to start the ball rolling on JD (albeit Jeff was the first vote). But within an hour or so of posting, you had 3 or 4 more votes on him ... who turns up Town.

LOL

I love how you skip past President Jeff; who's probably another good contender for being scum, far more so then me. You don't find that me pointing out JD storm and T-Marv were the least active (at the time) and then President Jeff revealing that he just came back from camping suspicious? And then once challenged, jumped on another inactive that started the lynch on JD? It wasn't just a vote; it was a pretty decent sized post as to why we should have all lynch JD.

I wasn't even going to do it until JD's suspicious post about killing everyone start with President Jeff. I just didn't get it.

Is it not even *possible* that President Jeff might have forgot to send in a nightkill?

You went after Rebel then purely because he had said he saw Hart try and kill someone. Maybe he saw 'something' and not an attempted kill? Which he has assumed was an attempted kill? What if he saw Hart investigate CJ, which would actually be in line with what happens.

1. Hart investigates CJ, sees CJ is scum.
2. Rebel watches Hart, who is actually invetigating CJ not trying to kill him?
3. Hart reports that CJ is scum, turns up insane so we know that CJ is Town.

If Rebel got a night action saying that Hart just 'did something' then Rebel wouldn't have been lying, would he? And any of his subsequent invetigating could be legit (rather than accusing him of being the 'Blade' of this round):

Logic fail.

Stephan Heart claimed TOWN COP; so why didn't Johnny Rebel pause and entertain the idea that his night action as such could've been mixed up like you've desperately tried to claim? We're in a 12 person game. He could have not possibly thought that Stephan Hart was going to go around claiming he was a town cop, knowing someone else in this game was. Yet, Rebel was claiming Stephan Hart was lying, he was scum and he tried to specifically kill someone the day before.

And now he says he clears you, LOL. Johnny Rebel hasn't given us jackshit about what his role actually is. Just a bunch of nonsense he seems to be making up, pulling a mini-blade out of his back pocket from last game.

Let's remember that if Hart was the insane cop, there could/should still be a regular cop out and about, yeah?

No. Thanks for entertaining the idea to cover your scum buddies ass though. This attempt to literally speak for him, speaks volumes to me.

Now, keeping with you Lester, you were happy to vote CJ the previous round, and then he turns up dead. Not necessarily a coincidence, but CJ turns up Town when you made the claim that you were convinced by Hart that CJ was scum.

Actually, I think I've convinced myself now that you're scum now. Feel free to go after me (I fully expect it, that's the nature of the game) now. I'm not trying to put up a defense of Rebel, more an investigation of you now, Lester.

Jesus Christ. The stretch on this unbelievable. I swear to god, if Sally leads this lynch with this nonsense I might just retire from APW mafia for good.

I voted for CJ GATES under the assumption that Stephan Hart was a TOWN COP. I was pretty positive his role was a cop from the start. The next day, I read CJ Gates defense and I saw town written all over it. Thinking about things, I came to the conclusion both CJ and Stephan were telling the truth and that Stephan Hart was an insane cop, I removed my vote from CJ and publicly cleared him as town. Later, I'd do the same for T-Marv given his role.

Lastly, your 100% trying to defend Johnny Rebel simply by targeting me. My information never led us to a dead townie; Johnny Rebels did. And if since Johnny has claimed some type of role publicly, why hasn't he been killed by mafia?

Either J-rebs role works, or it doesn't. I have a bastard role. Stephan Hart didn't. There's no reason why J-rebs information could be so wrong. And in the same breath, clear you and apparently be so right.

Also worth noting, you said J-reb had some explaining to do but he hasn't said shit. He said you were town and that was enough for you, knowing full well he's practically claimed and entirely different role the night before. I believe J-reb clearing you was planned out in your MAFIA QT, allowing you to shift your target to me soon afterwards.

Lastly, Ms. Wait-until-everyone-votes-knowing-full-well-they-might-not-be-scum-then-point-fingers-after, why don't you plant a vote on me right now and sign your dotted line on my lynch wagon, rather then hope people jump on it first?

If you get me lynch, I want them to know exactly who to target when I turn up town with bastard role.

VOTE REBEL.

[President Jeff]

First of all, I'm not scum. Even if I was, to say I forgot to send in one is just ridiculous. Hart got mod killed Friday evening. And then the game didn’t start back up till late Saturday. I was home for little bit on Saturday. Proof, check the last Overdrive Discussion thread, it shows that I made a post Saturday afternoon. Plus, In the 3 and a half years APW has been around. When have I been late with anything? I was around to do a Kill, thus there was no kill should be proof enough that I'm not scum. Trust me on this one

Who I think is scum. Sally and Rebel. Since everyone is pretty sure of Rebel at this point, I’m gonna vote for him for the time being

Vote Rebel

How ever, if Rebel can convince me he’s not, I got not problem taking my vote back

[Level-Two]

I didn't say you were scum, Jeff. For me, you're certainly above some others in this game but I'm not about to vote for you any-time, soon. But you need understand from our POV, skipping you entirely when you were the first one to provide the details to why we should lynch JD; is SUS. We should all be critical of each-other in order to root out scum. In Sally's case though, there is a blatant attempt to twist and take out of context what I have done in this game and anyone following this game properly knows that.

Anyways, I'd just like to note a correction. Stephan Hart DID have a bastard role as insane cop, but it wasn't a role that would specifically lead someone who targets/investigates them astray. This means, either something is fundamentally wrong with J-rebels ''role'' or it doesn't exist. I think it doesn't exist since he's used it to ''clear'' sally. Who is most likely just his scum buddy, lol.

I'm done here for now. Make the right decision, folks.

[President Jeff]

I know Lester, but I don't want anyone to get any ideas on me. Besides, If I was scum, why would I want to get rid of JD who wasn't playing. Him not playing the game and not voting for anyone helps the scum. Thats how I was thinking in the Last mafia game with Nova being inactive. Maybe we should look at the people who didn't vote for JD as possiable scum

[T-Marv]

I just want to point something out..... SOMEBODY correct me if I'm wrong.

Hart was insane cop.
He investigated CJ...Got Guilty(I assume)
Hart came back insane...meaning his results were reversed. CJ is town.
CJ was a Hated Townie meaning that a normal cop would have gotten a guilty read and insane would have gotten innocent.
So why did Hart get Guilty on him?

This confuses me as does nobody pointing it out. Yes they're both dead, but somethin's fishy here.

[President Jeff]

Maybe even thought CJ was a Hated town, he is still viewed at a townie. Maybe there's another role out there that has a townie looking like scum when investigated

[T-Marv]

But it wasn't some other role....it was "INSANE COP". By defination of the role...he would have gotten an innocent if investigating CJ....

I have the feeling Rebel is being Framed/Set up, and I think the culprit is L-1....now wait, just hear me out.

Reason 1: Rebel went after CJ with his role...cj was hated, so whatever results Rebel got were skewed, and nobody's acknowledging this which means they're most likely hiding it.

Reason 2: L-1 said that his role coincided with mine and would always return the same results.... I did some major scrubbing of the MafiaScum wiki and didn't find anything like that which leads me to believe he's making it up.

Here's my plan.... get 3 votes on Either Rebel or Level 1 and force them to roleclaim. Then if somebody knows they're lying...counter claim and go after the other one.

Tonight, I'll use my role to follow the only person I suspect of actually being a townie (I won't mention names to keep them off the radar.)

[SalTal]

At the moment, I don't have time to go over everything that's been said. I can say this much though:

There was no kill on night one because of my bastard role.

I said the same thing to Hart, Lester: calling ne out to vote in you is stupid. I haven't voted all game FOR A REASON.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jul 26, 2011 14:27:13 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Anyways, I'd just like to note a correction. Stephan Hart DID have a bastard role as insane cop, but it wasn't a role that would specifically lead someone who targets/investigates them astray. This means, either something is fundamentally wrong with J-rebels ''role'' or it doesn't exist. I think it doesn't exist since he's used it to ''clear'' sally. Who is most likely just his scum buddy, lol.

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It was never my intention to clear anyone but to simply pass along the information I gathered.

Sally and I aren't working together because I'm not scum. I was curious about Sally since she has been fairly quiet this game compared to most--so I did some digging thinking since she wasn't her usual self maybe she had something to hide.

Maybe my info is wrong but it's all I have to go upon this game. I've been away with work so I haven't been able to follow as much as I'd like. I'm looking forward to reading through the discussion.

[Level-Two]

By defination of the role...he would have gotten an innocent if investigating CJ....

No he wouldn't. Where in the rules does it say that? A hated townie just means it takes one less vote to lynch the person. It has nothing to do with investigations. Come on man, get it together.

I have the feeling Rebel is being Framed/Set up, and I think the culprit is L-1....now wait, just hear me out.

Reason 1: Rebel went after CJ with his role...cj was hated, so whatever results Rebel got were skewed, and nobody's acknowledging this which means they're most likely hiding it.

That's not how hated townies work so this point isn't valid. Hated townies show up as town. Simply put.

Reason 2: L-1 said that his role coincided with mine and would always return the same results.... I did some major scrubbing of the MafiaScum wiki and didn't find anything like that which leads me to believe he's making it up.

I'm not making anything up. I am a townie. You are the watcher. Which means, Rebel isn't a watcher. He isn't a cop either. Rebel is your scum.

Furthermore, think about it for a second. Why the hell would I be visiting Stephan Hart and JD Storm at night when they were KILLED in lynches? I'm telling you, my role is created to coincide with yours. You need to put two and two together and stop falling for Sally's bullshit.

Sally is claiming bullet proof vest, now. In other words, she's already setting her reasoning up for why she isn't going be killed at night.

Johnny Rebel has a mysterious role where he can apparently do anything he wants. And he can't answer to any concerns because he's busy. More like busy trying to figure out how he's going to get out of this and buy some time to a get lynch wagon put on someone else.


Here's my plan.... get 3 votes on Either Rebel or Level 1 and force them to roleclaim. Then if somebody knows they're lying...counter claim and go after the other one.

Tonight, I'll use my role to follow the only person I suspect of actually being a townie (I won't mention names to keep them off the radar.) [/quote]

[Level-Two]

EWOP, I fucked up on some of the quotes.

Here's my plan.... get 3 votes on Either Rebel or Level 1 and force them to roleclaim. Then if somebody knows they're lying...counter claim and go after the other one.

Tonight, I'll use my role to follow the only person I suspect of actually being a townie (I won't mention names to keep them off the radar.)

You do whatever you darn well please. I already gave enough hints to what my role is. If you think I am targeting players at night who were killed in lynches on purpose, then you deserve to lose this game.

[T-Marv]

SORRY!!!!

I was confusing Hated Townie for Miller in my head. My previous points are moot!

Also L-1, I am NOT a Watcher....I didn't watch anybody...I followed them hopefully that will help.

[T-Marv]

Jul 26, 2011 17:45:07 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

You do whatever you darn well please. I already gave enough hints to what my role is. If you think I am targeting players at night who were killed in lynches on purpose, then you deserve to lose this game.

No reason to be hostile....

The rules state that roleclaiming is alowed after half votes. I think it would be a lot better to sort this shit out if some people were forced to roleclaim.

[T-Marv]

Jul 26, 2011 17:41:43 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Johnny Rebel has a mysterious role where he can apparently do anything he wants. And he can't answer to any concerns because he's busy. More like busy trying to figure out how he's going to get out of this and buy some time to a get lynch wagon put on someone else.

There is one role that would allow that L-1, that would allow him to perform a fucntion of more than one role on different nights....Not saying it isn't fishy, but it's possible.

[brandenharvey]

Vote Count:

"Simply Put" Johnny Rebel: 1 (Lester "L1" Only, President Jeff)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Level-Two]

Jul 26, 2011 18:18:44 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

SORRY!!!!

I was confusing Hated Townie for Miller in my head. My previous points are moot!

Also L-1, I am NOT a Watcher....I didn't watch anybody...I followed them hopefully that will help.

It doesn't matter. Watcher/tracker my role covers it both. I'm not being hostile, I'm frustrated because I know you're townie and I hate to see you vote my way and lynch the wrong person.

[Kurt]

I agree with Tmarv's analysis. We're running around pointing fingers because we don't know each others roles, and it's leading to a Hell of a lot of confusion. Let's get at least get some solid ground, because the clock is ticking. I don't necessarily know that I want to lynch Rebel if his role comes up as something that explains his situation with Hart, so I might retract my vote afterwards, but we need to see what his role is.

Vote: Rebel

By the way Harvey, he had 2, not 1. Now he has 3 with my vote, so this should force a roleclaim.

Here's just a random thought...

Sally is giving strong indications that she thinks she's the one targeted night 1, and that she survived by being bulletproof. But she's also claiming a voting-based role that might not allow her to vote until right before the lynch (that's my guess with her saying earlier she wouldn't start the lynch on Rebel, but would participate). Can she possibly have both? If so, does that mean certain people in this game might have two roles? I don't exactly know what regular "Bastard" mafia is, but that seems bastardish to me, ha.

[Michael Jennings]

I think Sally is hinting at being a bulletproof actor. I've seen the role before. In fact I believe Harvey himself had it in a game once.

[Level-Two]

I was wondering the exact same thing, Noble. I was going to bring that up, but I don't want to distract from a J-REB lynch.

Also odd that that's it's been two day phases since the failed kill and mafia apparently hasn't even tried to push for a Sally Talfourd lynch. If they knew she can't be night killed, you'd think they'd at least try to get rid of her during the days.

Now she'll probably argue that I am the scum trying to get her lynched, but I didn't even think she was scum until she went out of her way to target me.

I really would like to know why Sally has waited so long to drop hints of being bulletproof vest. We could have cleared her day one. I really think she's just getting ready for her cover story for why she isn't going to be killed in this game, IMO.

[Level-Two]

Jul 26, 2011 23:27:51 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

I think Sally is hinting at being a bulletproof actor. I've seen the role before. In fact I believe Harvey himself had it in a game once.

We could use some extra details.

[jc]

Wait, TMarv, did you see L-1 visit Hart after he was modkilled?