APW MAFIA GAME THREAD

[C.J. Gates]

I want to say he either mistyped his name in there, or he means that if we lynch Pence and he's town, he'll take the blame for it. And if he's town, that means that we'd lose two townies.

I'm still saying that if we're going to vote Pence because he hasn't added as much as people would like, I'd rather vote JC for that same reason.

[Reaver]

ok i guess this is me defending myself.....


im new to this game plain and simple so as far as a day 1...w/e, it didnt get done and had a convo with L-O about it.

sorry about that guys and i no being nub-ish is no excuse; i dunno what else to say other than sorry.

now that we got that bs out of the way, i just think its odd that reb has been here n there and not nearly as active as the rest of us with out possibly having school/work issues. and gates, it was ME who mentioned him not pence or kaji or JC. it just seemed odd the way he would talk about certain things and thats y i suggested we discuss him with out throwing him under a bus. other people i would also recommend would be:

pence: a known vet of the game and can easily slip in and out without anybody noticing even tho he has been noticed.

sally: the trickster in wolves clothing, and tho this may just be a hunch, i think shes too smart for her own good and may very well be scum.

noble/gates: i combine these 2 for the same reason, ya both mentioned me as possible scum. while i can appreciate the game just being played, i think the reasoning behind could have been better. no hard feelings.

im still working out the kinks to things so plz bare with me. keep this in mind, if u guys wanna lynch me feel free. then u all can see my role.

[jc]

Definitely not going to deny that I've been quiet this game, but compare it to any gam I've played and you'll notice that I am not a very aggressive player that goes out of his way to go after people to gauge reactions. I've always let the game play out, and I have either been killed by scum or lynched for not being as active as someone else.

Is there any reason why you're defending Pence though, CJ? Do you have info the rest of us don't that can clear him?

As far as last night phase goes, it might be my fault Havok is dead but I'm not sure. I used my ability on myself last night and had to name who would get targeted if anyone targeted me. So either mafia targeted him or they targeted me and it ended up hitting him instead. I don't know for sure, but just putting the info out there since me and knuckles seem to be the only ones that have admitted to being able to do anything at night.

[brandenharvey]

If you go back to the first Mafia game played here, Pence was scum. His strategy? Don't post much and add nothing. Look at the Fallout Thread. He straight up says it. That's why Jeff has had a hard on for voting for the inactives ever since. But I think Pence is following that same strategy.

[President Jeff]

Knuckles, you didn't answer my question. Who did you investigate on Night 1?

[Nick Watson]

Ok, let me go ahead, and respond. I look at this thread quite often, skimming through the majority of information, and picking things that I myself agree with. The key difference with me is that I don't post very often that I agree with something, if something has been said there is no reason for me to re-iterate it, and that is because no matter which way I would do it, I would be considered scummy. If I re-iterate what has been said already, I'm not adding into the conversation and as such can be labeled scum, and if I don't say anything at all I get labeled scum too, so why say anything at all? You guys want to vote me, be my guest, but I will tell you this...you may very well regret getting rid of me. I may not be the best player, but I do, do something for this group. For those of you who might not know what I do...well I do have a night action. I can't tell you which action I have because that would be a role claim, but I can tell you I do something. Believe me or not, but I'm on your guy's side this game.

I want to find the scum just as badly as you guys do and that is one of the major contributing factors to my silence....I want to observe and piece together information. So far, we have Harvey voting for me, and that is fine and dandy, but we seriously need to find scum, and I will tell you voting me will get nobody anywhere and that is true. This is truly a Perfect Storm of scum labeling and this is going to get us no where...we need to find the scum and we need to take them down. It is possible that the scum has been the most obvious people in this game, it is possible that the scum have been quite active as to do the "opposite" of what everyone in this game thinks scum do, and to be honest it could very well be Kurt Noble or C.J. Gates. So what do we do, gentlemen and lady? Well we need to take note that they have tried really hard to not look scummy. C.J. and Kurt have been playing this game safer than any player in this game so far...they have been active and have had something to say about every single thing that has happened...it is almost like they are both too active. Now, not to say that is a bad thing, but it is something to be discussed and talked about.

[C.J. Gates]

To JC: I'm not defending Pence. Never have. Just saying that if Harvey is voting for Pence because he's been quiet and not adding much, you've been doing the same, and I'd say, being quieter and adding less. That's all. I have no information other than what I can see from people talking during the day.

To Jeff: I think Knuckles is saying that he didn't get his night action in on night one, or at least that's how I read that. If that's the case, I don't know if I can trust his clear on Harvey.

To Pence: Vote me if you want, I'm town, through and through. I have had an opinion on a lot, because I'm trying to help find scum. Sitting back and analyzing it all is fine for some, but I guess it's not for me. I see something, I like to bring it to the attention of the town.

[Blade]

I'm finding it odd that Knuckles has come out and cleared Branden.

That info came way too early, especially after Jeff was pushing that he was sure there was a cop in the game.

Also odd that Jeff was pushing so hard for there to be a cop in the game.

This means a few things to me

a) Knuckles and Jeff are working this scenario.
b) Knuckles is a cop and Jeff just got him to out himself for no good reason *I mean, no votes on harvey yet you clear him straight away*
c) Harvey could have been right to havea hard on for Jeff.


Vote: Jeff

Knuckles gave it up easier than a $2 tramp, but your obsession with pushing to find out who the cop was, or even if there was a cop is suspect to me

[Reaver]

jeff, i did ans the quesion by saying it didnt get done. i cleared harvey cuz if u were reading the past couple days, i was dead set on getting him until i did my work.

now with that being said....

blade, y would ya jump all over me like that and not do the reading the past few days? that sounds very scummy to me in my opinion. its not odd that i did my job, its odd that u think it is.

[brandenharvey]

That WAS a very scummy thing for Blade to do.

[Johnny Rebel]

Why would anybody kill anyone? Maybe Pence knows the answer? Aren't we toiling around for several days without any true information? I agree that we have to start ridding ourselves of some inactives in order to have a shot, don't we? Why hasn't WWE brought back the Ice Cream Bars yet? Any chance they will make one with Jason Kash's face on them?

[Johnny Rebel]

Did I forget to vote?

VOTE PENCE

[brandenharvey]

Sept 27, 2011 11:48:17 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

Any chance they will make one with Jason Kash's face on them?

That settles it. He's Jason Kash.

[Blade]

Sept 27, 2011 11:08:57 GMT -4 Reaver said:

jeff, i did ans the quesion by saying it didnt get done. i cleared harvey cuz if u were reading the past couple days, i was dead set on getting him until i did my work.

now with that being said....

blade, y would ya jump all over me like that and not do the reading the past few days? that sounds very scummy to me in my opinion. its not odd that i did my job, its odd that u think it is.

No; you re read.

I jumped on Jeff, not you.

[Blade]

EBWOP.

WHy woudl you need to out yourself for Harvey when he has no votes?

Why did you only out yourself when Jeff pushes it?

That gave away a power role; which is now an advantage to scum

[C.J. Gates]

Jeff was fishing earlier in the game, for Branden to hint at a role. Obviously, people wouldn't hint unless they were close to getting lynched, but it still seems odd that Jeff has now sort of asked two people for their roles. Yet everyone seems dead set that he's town because of his hammer...

I'm leaning toward placing a vote on Pence by the end of Tuesday. If he's not scum, then we will be able to read back and see who really pushed for the lynch (I want to say Jeff and Branden did, followed by one or two others, but I'd have to read back). Since people seem to think he's more inactive then JC...

[Kaji Fireson]

AGAIN NOT AN OFFICIAL COUNT JUST KEEPING TRACK

2: Pence (Harvey, Rebel)
1: Jeff (Blade)

Not Voting
Kaji
CJ
Noble
JC
Sally
Pence
Knuckles

Now if I had to pick one of the two people with votes to put my weight behind, I'd actually pick Jeff. He's seemed off to me all game, and I took him off of my list of suspects since he was the hammer, but Ceej brings up a good point; Jeff could easily be playing the role of the hammer to take heat off of him and disperse it to other people. He has focused pretty much exclusively on Knux's role rather than saying anything about anything else, which raises alarms in my mind.

That said, I still have my eye on J-Reb. Maybe it's just me, but as soon as I brought up the idea of him possibly leading Dangertainment around during the night, he seems to have clammed up, aside from his one post. It might be because of his role that his posts seem prominent, not the frequency, but I still have my eye on J-Reb.

I also don't like Branden (remember Kurt's point about suspecting Branden if he doesn't do anything Branden-esque? well he seems to be playing pretty straight so far), but he's a faint, faint option.

I'm really leaning towards Jeff at the moment, but I want to hear more before I throw down some bold tags. Sally hasn't posted yet this day phase, and a couple others (you know who you are) usually only pipe in when addressed.

[President Jeff]

Here's the thing, if people have roles and aren't letting on to what role they have, then they aren't helping. What good is it to me if someone has a useful role, such as a cop if they aren't using that information to share with the town to help find the scum.

And Knuckles, I must have missed you answering my question, Sorry for asking twice.

[Nick Watson]

Why wait? Vote: C.J. Gates

I'm done going with pressure picks only to get boned in the end. We've lost too many town to continue on with this stupid back and forth. I am not a scum...sure saying I'm not a scum may not soothe any one's woes, but if you vote me out it is only going to mess you guys up. The fact that I revealed I have a night action, mind you one that I've only properly used once, should have been enough info for you guys to understand where this is going. However, if you want to vote me away...be my guest, just remember the two people who are aligning themselves against me now and vote them off with lynches as quickly as you can because those two are definitely going to be your scum. Its' why I'm voting you C.J., I needed something to go on before making my move, and the push on me was all I needed. As far as Jeff and Branden pushing for my expulsion...you would be incorrect. Sure, harvey to an extent wanted me gone, but Jeff has, to my knowledge, has done nothing toward me. No, the one pushing is you...you see you have already made your selection by saying "well I'm leaning to..." its' pretty typical for someone wanting to make sure that he can force people to vote for said individual via pressure votes. Plus with one vote against me already, I'm sure the masses will follow, but I will tell you this...if I go out by lynch...there will be a Perfect Storm of problems that will pop up later for everyone playing.

[C.J. Gates]

Sept 27, 2011 15:59:46 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

Here's the thing, if people have roles and aren't letting on to what role they have, then they aren't helping. What good is it to me if someone has a useful role, such as a cop if they aren't using that information to share with the town to help find the scum.

And Knuckles, I must have missed you answering my question, Sorry for asking twice.

People can't role claim or they'll get modkilled. So they can try and hint at the role, but then they will get killed by the scum at night, unless a doctor protects them. You trying to get people to basically tell their roles is a bit off. Maybe it's just overthinking, though.

And Pence, I was leaning toward for but never put a vote. You can lead a lynch on me all you want, you're just lynching a townie. A townie without a night action, but still a townie. If you're SERIOUS about finding scum, then there's no need to vote for me. I know you'll probably throw that in my face, but I never did vote for you. I said I was leaning towards it because the only other person I felt was scummy was Jeff, but everyone believes him town. Maybe the scum is really someone we aren't really expecting. Noble? Kaji? Knuckles?

Quite frankly, because we have very little intelligence, everyone is still a suspect.

You know what? I'm just going to go with it.

Vote: President Jeff

People probably won't follow, but I already have my suspicions of him.

As a side note, when was the last time Sally posted? Forgot she was in this game...lol

[President Jeff]

can lead a lynch on me all you want, you're just lynching a townie.

Might want to take your own advice CJ

[Kaji Fireson]

Maybe the scum is really someone we aren't really expecting. Noble? Kaji? Knuckles?

Well that's the whole point, isn't it? For the Mafia to blend in so they don't get killed?

Now I'm not saying I'm not mafia...because EVERYONE says they're not mafia, so that statement is useless to us. What I will say is that Pence is getting rather defensive. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Vote: Pence

[Level-Two]

Current vote out:

3: Pence (Branden Harvey, Johnny Rebel, Kaji)
1: President Jeff (Blade)
1: CJ Gates (Pence)

Not voting: President Jeff, JC, Sally Talfourd, Knuckles, Kurt Noble, CJ Gates

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

[brandenharvey]

C'mon, people. We just need three more votes to lynch Pence. And we don't have too much longer before deadline.

[Reaver]

ok i have some logic to throw at u guys......


reading back at all the votes, ud notice 3 names on every "not voting" list:

noble
JC
rebel

these r the potential scum in my eyes. granted that most scum would be voting more to blend in, if a couple of these guys r new to this then it makes sense. now if u look at who is voting now, given that pence IS who i think he is, then as u can see rebel has him voted to be lynched to possibly double the kill ratio during the nite. ill reserve my vote..... for now, just relish on that for a moment.

[Kaji Fireson]

I think you'd be more productive giving reasons why we should lynch Pence than just saying "Okay, guys, let's go, let's lynch him!" Even if it's just reiterating what was said before that made you think he was scummy enough to vote for.

And we have twenty hours, which is more than enough time for everyone to check in, except maybe Sally. Where the fuck is Sally, anyway? Has she been on the forum at all?

[brandenharvey]

Maybe she got put in the hospital again. Woman needs to learn how to fight.

[Reaver]

guys, read my post and discuss plz?

[Kaji Fireson]

Sorry, I wrote my post up before you posted yours. Rebel certainly seems suspicious, but not so much that I will change my vote. I think it's a good point, but one that will only truly bear fruit after night falls and passes.

Unless something much bigger is brought up, I'm leaving my vote on Pence, because he stands out to me far more than J-Reb or Jeff right now.

[Reaver]

no prob, but it makes sense doesnt it?