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Post by Level-Two on Oct 30, 2011 12:10:21 GMT -4
The difference between you and him; is because he openly stated his role in this game was useless. Yet, hypocritically goes on and on about not wanting to be night killed. Also, Knuckles looks suspicious and Atkens is directly tied to visiting him AND me during the night which looks like he has some type of framer role; which was meant to turn him up looking guilty in the event I was the cop.
Also, again nobody is asking him for his role.
Lastly, I'd encourage anyone who was swayed by what I said in regards to Knuckles to consider throwing their energy towards, Atkens. I don't want townie blood on my hands.
And anyone voting to lynch PJ; is deffo going to kill a townie because I caught onto the hints he's been dropping and until someone counter claims, I believe he's town.
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Post by Arcadia on Oct 30, 2011 12:10:26 GMT -4
Anyone besides me notice that Jeff hinted at being the Lamp? "Also if anyone is "Bright" enough, you can figure out that it was because of me that everyone lynched Kaji" Here are the players that did no visiting on Night 1: Me Jeff Sally L1 Arcadia - I'm not the lamp, so I have no need to pretend to be. - Sally was the confirmed Fan. That leaves the Lamp was being either L1, Arcadia, or Jeff. Jeff has claimed it... either you want to call bullshit on it? I'm not the lamp |
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Post by Arcadia on Oct 30, 2011 12:11:56 GMT -4
Unvote: President Jeff
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Post by Phil Atken on Oct 30, 2011 12:12:12 GMT -4
You know, I completely missed that.
Jeff, my point was your argument is SUCH an easy argument to make as scum. It's a thing I've seen in other mafia playing community as "chain lynching", basically trying to set up their next lynch. Realistically, with the way Kaji's lynch went down there's no more chance of scum voting for him than scum not voting for him, so pointing the finger of suspicion on those who didn't is suspect as best.
Also, I did use my night action last night, it involved jc and knuckles. I have nothing else to share right now.
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Post by Phil Atken on Oct 30, 2011 12:12:38 GMT -4
unvote
Forgot that.
Now I sleep.
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Post by Phil Atken on Oct 30, 2011 12:14:04 GMT -4
Lester, stop twisting my words. I said I've been playing uselessly this game, in terms of my posting. I never said it in relation to my role.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 30, 2011 12:26:41 GMT -4
Guys, I'm begging you to vote Atkins. PLEASE TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I don't know how much more I can tell you other then he is 100% scum and I got him to give me the information I needed to ensure he is in fact scum.
I am willing to put my own game on the line if it turns up any result then what I claim it will. I AM THAT SURE. Please lynch Atkens and hit scum. Mark my words!
Atkens, your done buddy.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 30, 2011 12:29:14 GMT -4
Unvote
I'm not the lamp and I believe Jeff is town. Atken, I want to k now why you think Knuckles is town? I'm looking for specifics because he was near a lynch and you derailed it and I think you did it on purpose. Your answer will determine if you get a vote from me or not. If not it's going right back on Knuckles.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 30, 2011 12:29:15 GMT -4
So from my list, Arcadia has directly claimed not to be the Lamp, and L1 has stated he believes Jeff is town, so IMO he's inferred Jeff is the lamp...although I would most certainly feel better if L1 directly claimed he wasn't. Just to get that out of the way. >_>
So can we officially clear Jeff as town? No one one my list has objected, and I don't think I missed any names based off the Lamp info.
To revisit an earlier theory...no roleblocker ever came forward, so I guess we can assume L1's theory that the new Mafia Hitman starts tonight, unless we can stop them too.
It looks like today we're between Knuckles and Atkins. Let me reread some posts and I'll make a decision votewise.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 30, 2011 13:16:39 GMT -4
So let me get this straight Atkens:
Night 1 ability: use on Knuckles/L1
Night 2 ability: use on Knuckles/JC
You may see Knuckles as town, but using him both times in your night abilities surely isn't random.
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why you and Knuckles both targeted L1 on Night 1. What were you hoping to accomplish there? Something isn't right here.
Honestly? I'm leaning towards believing L1. Besides, if this backfires, he's thrown himself right into the fire for it.
Vote: Atkens
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Post by brandenharvey on Oct 30, 2011 13:24:30 GMT -4
Vote Count:
Knuckles: 1 (Nathaniel Havok)
Phil Atken: 3 (Lester "L1" Only, President Jeff, Kurt Noble)
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Post by brandenharvey on Oct 30, 2011 13:25:01 GMT -4
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
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Post by Arcadia on Oct 30, 2011 13:34:51 GMT -4
this is my first game, but seeing as how I've been suspicious of Atken from day 1, I will jump in with the others for now.
Vote: Atken
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Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 30, 2011 13:46:41 GMT -4
Vote: Atken
I think this reeks of a set up. I think the scum gameplan was to get rid of Knuckles and Atken targetting him twice could confirm Knuckles to be town if Atken comes up scum. I'm willing to take a chance since this whole situation is really suspicious to me and by situation I mean Atken's actions in this game.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 30, 2011 13:58:29 GMT -4
That's a lynch. Mafia is going to be PISSED at me. So, if anyone can do something about keeping me alive, help a brother out.  |
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Post by Arcadia on Oct 30, 2011 14:28:16 GMT -4
Can't call a lynch until branden sees it. This whole thing is weird though, I agree with James. Why would you visit someone two nights in a row? Unless it was to protect them.
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Post by brandenharvey on Oct 30, 2011 15:10:18 GMT -4
Vote: AtkenI think this reeks of a set up. I think the scum gameplan was to get rid of Knuckles and Atken targetting him twice could confirm Knuckles to be town if Atken comes up scum. I'm willing to take a chance since this whole situation is really suspicious to me and by situation I mean Atken's actions in this game. One of the supplies was acting very suspicious. He kept changing his story and changing his vote and changing his opinions. He must be one of the Pissed Off Supplies. The other supplies gather together and put a red X on him before tossing him in the trash. DEAD - Phil Atken - Pissed Off Stapler |
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Post by brandenharvey on Oct 30, 2011 15:11:18 GMT -4
Night begins now. Night ends October 31 at 12:00 PM.
Get those night actions in.
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Post by brandenharvey on Oct 31, 2011 12:42:45 GMT -4
Night has ended.
The office supplies wake up to find the paperweight lying in highlighter fluid. His vitals are checked. He's dead. Next to the body, they find a note:
DEAD - JC - Paperweight
Day begins now. Day ends November 3 at 12:30 PM.
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch
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Post by Arcadia on Oct 31, 2011 12:56:45 GMT -4
Didn't jeff say "sounds scummy to me"?
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 31, 2011 13:07:36 GMT -4
First of all before I go into detail about last night's phase; I'm calling out Harvey on his bull. There's no reason why JC should've been night killed other then the mafia is getting their asses handed to them. He posted as recently as yesterday.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 31, 2011 13:15:13 GMT -4
This is unusual. The write-up makes it sound like he was night-killed, but he wasn't terribly inactive enough to be. My guess is that this is just a ruse to confuse us.
I'll have my thoughts up after I eat lunch.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Oct 31, 2011 13:18:33 GMT -4
WTF? What's going on? I'm pretty damn confused.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 31, 2011 13:40:44 GMT -4
EBWOP
Meant mod-killed, obviously.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Oct 31, 2011 13:49:41 GMT -4
And what is this EBWOP you speak of? I guess I'm not as cool as I thought lol.
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Post by Kurt on Oct 31, 2011 13:58:46 GMT -4
Remaining players:
1. L1
2. Arcadia
3. Jeff - Town
4. Havok
5. Knuckles
6. James
7. Me
The whole # not matching the actual count thing is still throwing me off, but whatev. My guess is that there's only one scum left.
So, from that list, here's what I think:
- We pretty much cleared Jeff as town through no one arguing that they're the Lamp.
- L1 has aggressively hunted, and voted down both scum players...can't see him being scum honestly.
- I'm pretty sure Havok is town, but that's just a hunch based off his ability and not any confirmed night info.
That makes the list look like this:
1. L1
2. Arcadia
3. Jeff
4. Havok
5. Knuckles
6. James
7. Me
I'll throw out the usual "I'm not scum" card. Not sure if anyone's investigated me and can confirm this. I'd like to think my actions as far as voting Atkens and trying to clear Havok/Jeff clear me, but that's for others to decide.
So, on my possible list, that leaves Knuckles, James, and Arcadia.
Arcadia voted down both Kaji and Atkens. JamesV voted down Atkens. That leaves Knuckles...who didn't vote down Atkens or Kaji (although he pretty much used the same reasoning I did not to vote for Kaji).
If you look back at the previous days posts, Atken said his "gut" made him feel Knuckles was town...about 3-4 times. That, and his usage of his night skill twice on Knuckles, like he was either trying to protect him or throw off anyone that investigated him...
Honestly? I think Knuckles is our last scum.
Vote: Knuckles
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Post by Kurt on Oct 31, 2011 13:59:37 GMT -4
And what is this EBWOP you speak of? I guess I'm not as cool as I thought lol. Edit By Way of Double Post. Pretty much just saying "I'm editing my last post" without actually editing it, since we're not allowed to, ha. Now I feel like a dork. >_> |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Oct 31, 2011 14:04:19 GMT -4
I'm with Kurt on this one. Knux, you've been suspicious from the first lynch. Very eager to defend yourself and take people down with you (in certain posts). I too, think that Knuckles is our last scum of the game. Come on town, let's win this shit!
Vote: Knuckles
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 31, 2011 14:08:17 GMT -4
Inafternoble.
Okay, I sat down yesterday after the Atkens lynch and mapped this game out. These are the reads I have gotten over the span of this game. It isn't 100% but I'm pretty damn sure about it.
Town:
President Jeff (The light)
Arcadia
JC (now dead)
Knuckles (voteless)
P.S to noble: Atkens lied about his role. He just used Knuckles and JC's name for the sake of using them. Knuckles is not scum and was framed by atkens.
Grey area: Kurt Noble, JamesV
Scum: Nathaniel Havok
Now let me adress my three main suspects and why they are where they are.
Kurt Noble: I was suspicious of him after his defense of Kaji who turned out to be scum. His defense was solid however and helped his case. With Kurt Noble it's not much about what HE'S done but rather how others have done onto him which I'll explain shortly. Basically out of these three, I suspect Kurt Noble the least.
JamesV: The one person I haven't been able to get a clear read on. While not fool proof, the biggest thing is probably his final vote on Atkens. He could be scum nailing his buddy to look innoncent; or just a townie looking to lynch the scummer. At this point, he's the alternative to a Nathaniel Havok lynch, IMO; but that doesn't mean they're close in terms of guilt, either.
Now onto the grand finale, Nathaniel Havok, who I'm about 80% sure is scum. Starting with his voting pattern. He gets in on the Kaji vote for the lynch. The only problem with that is, everyone left in the game voted for Kaji on the day, thus ensuring that a scummer voted for one of their own. Notice before Atkens was lynched he stressed this same point as a defense against President Jeff? Most likely because it's what his scum buddy, likely nathaniel havok; did to Kaji. Finally, the final vote. He jumped on the Knuckles vote (as did JamesV) when I put it out there; JamesV switched his vote to Atkens to hammer him; where Nathaniel Havok didn't vote. To be fair, its just as likely that he wasn't here to do so. The point is, if JamesV is scum--he took out his last scum buddy. It doesn't clear him because people always think in reverse, so essentially it would be a bad move.
But the vote is just on gut... here's proof.
Noble stated:
Here we establish that Nathaniel Havok's night role gives him the ability to send people's message during the night phase. Nathaniel Havok, guilty as scum is charged JUMPS on Kurt Noble. Mind you, Kurt Noble at this point is the most OBVIOUS lynch target given his defense of Kaji the night before.
Havok said,
He then reads what Kurt had wrote trying to clear him and immediately changes his vote.
Now the smoking gun of sorts is this. I received a note. Not repeating it word for word, he basically stressed that Kurt Noble was not 100% cleared and I needed to investigate him more. He said revealing his role will do nothing and mentions that his message might be a decoy...
It really was a stupid message to send and I think he forgot that day one has already exposed him as the note maker, but this is only his second time playing, so I understand it.
Here's my problem with this,
- Nathaniel Havok has only showed suspicions of Kurt Noble once in this entire game and he withdrew his vote seconds later. He has no proof of Kurt Noble being scum whatsoever and has never made a push to lynch him... so why stress this to me?
- I scored a lynch on Atkens during the day. This obviously makes my word a bit more believable. My belief is that Havok tried to funnel this info to me on purpose, so I'd lead a lynch against Kurt Noble who the day before I stated I was already gravely suspicious of.
- Notice the words ''investigate''; Remember, Atkens tried to frame Knuckles to me on day one but the light exposed the nights actions. This means there was probably belief in the MAFIA QT before and after atkens lynch that I was a cop or had an investigative role of some sort.
Finally, my belief is that Nathaniel Havok has a role which allows him to send messages to the town pleading his innocents. Almost like a friendly neighbour; but flipped and he's in fact a mafia member with the ability to plead his innocence to the town.
And with that, I leave you with this.
Irony?
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 31, 2011 14:16:13 GMT -4
EWOP
And now Nathaniel Havok goes and AGREES with Noble and votes Knuckles? WTF?
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