SAW Mafia Game Thread

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Nov 20, 2011 4:37:47 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Nunez, did you even read my post with my note in it? Because judging by your posts you clearly didn't. Also it's obvious who the Godfather is. Why would you not vote for that person? I mean, come on. Being hung up on something from the previous dayphase and creating another no lynch scenario doesn't help the town out at all, period.

Are you not reading everyone elses posts? Definitely not the only one who has voted for you. Because judging by your posts you're the only one who like to seem to try and control everyone something like a Godfather would do. I'm obviously going to be hung up on the last day phrase as you are with all my previous posts. I just rather go with what we had previously than this.

If we are going to be selfish like this ill just take my chance with the night phase.

[Phil Atken]

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[Blade]

either way nunez and knuckles are unwilling to change their vote.

This is really starting to beg the question now whether the town is in an impossible position to win.

And L-1, I'm tired of playing games. As long as I am in the game, my vote will still go on you, I still think you are scum. More than one person has spelt it out, but i guess they have a hard on for the JamesV/Knuckles situation

[Phil Atken]

The town is in a winnable position if some people would just push Varga/knuckles to the side.

Sadly they won't.

[Arcadia]

You can say the sheep thing all you want. JamesV isn't the only one pushing for a Level-One vote and there are at least 2 very suspicious happenings that point to L-1.

First, the notes. And I DO think that Kurt gave us those notes to point out on of his scum, we all know this from our role PMs. They were NOT obvious, as first, we all had only one number a piece, and all of us needed to work together to get it, and second, we had to figure out the way the list was organized before it made sense. It took us 4 days to do all of that. So, yeah, I think Level-One being out of order on the list is a big deal.

Second, the mafia usurper tried to get L-1 lynched before he got himself modkilled. I think that Rebel didn't realize it would get himself killed because he was half lying about his role in the fact that he claimed a town roleblocker. So it's not a matter of sheep, Nunez. It the facts of the game so far. Two big red flags on Level-One.

I'm not switching my vote to JamesV because I think he is telling the truth about Knuckles and his role. A power move like getting the name of one of Jigsaws apprentices would have to have a huge backlash, something exactly like what happened. He got the name and immediately half the group was notified that he was scum. As he said it would. Why would I switch my vote to a townie?

Also, notice how L-1 and Knuckles are voting for JamesV? Because they aren't going to vote for their own team. Knuckles could easily change his vote, but he's making it seem like he is personally insulted by JamesV calling him scum. I firmly believe it's his cover for not voting to lynch his scum buddy, L-1.

Again, I say we are one vote away from a lynch on L-1, who is suspicious as fuck due to other actions that have happened around him (he plays very well, if not for the notes and Rebel, I dont think we would've ever gotten here). You can pay attention to wht we've got so far and switch or you can keep riding the JamesV thing, maybe convince some guys to switch and lynch a townie, maybe just have a standoff and a no lynch when the night phase hits.

[Level-Two]

First, the notes. And I DO think that Kurt gave us those notes to point out on of his scum, we all know this from our role PMs. They were NOT obvious, as first, we all had only one number a piece, and all of us needed to work together to get it, and second, we had to figure out the way the list was organized before it made sense. It took us 4 days to do all of that. So, yeah, I think Level-One being out of order on the list is a big deal.

Teamwork? What? Jeff figured the list was in alphabetical order and all we had to do is confirm those were our numbers. Everyone wants to harp on my number being not where it's supposed to be; but several people also aren't exactly on the list according to that order because me being switched out to 13# is part of the twist. It's meant to confuse us and add some extra drama into the game.

Second, the mafia usurper tried to get L-1 lynched before he got himself modkilled. I think that Rebel didn't realize it would get himself killed because he was half lying about his role in the fact that he claimed a town roleblocker. So it's not a matter of sheep, Nunez. It the facts of the game so far. Two big red flags on Level-One.

That's your opinion and it's valid. However, Johnny Rebel acknowledged he may get modkilled the second he came out with his ''information''; so don't act like he was blindsided by it.

Also, notice how L-1 and Knuckles are voting for JamesV? Because they aren't going to vote for their own team. Knuckles could easily change his vote, but he's making it seem like he is personally insulted by JamesV calling him scum. I firmly believe it's his cover for not voting to lynch his scum buddy, L-1.

I was the second person to vote Knuckles after JamesV; when he came out with his information. I actually believed him at that point... now, maybe not so much.

Knuckles has been voting JamesV since JamesV accused him of being scum. So, you're drawing a connection that doesn't exist...

And that's about it concerning you, I guess. Unlike some of the others, I don't think you're scum; so it's unfortunate if you take part in lynching a fellow townie because you're misled.

[Michael Jennings]

Nov 20, 2011 6:06:10 GMT -4 Jesse Nuñez™ said:

Nov 20, 2011 4:37:47 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Nunez, did you even read my post with my note in it? Because judging by your posts you clearly didn't. Also it's obvious who the Godfather is. Why would you not vote for that person? I mean, come on. Being hung up on something from the previous dayphase and creating another no lynch scenario doesn't help the town out at all, period.

Are you not reading everyone elses posts? Definitely not the only one who has voted for you. Because judging by your posts you're the only one who like to seem to try and control everyone something like a Godfather would do. I'm obviously going to be hung up on the last day phrase as you are with all my previous posts. I just rather go with what we had previously than this.

If we are going to be selfish like this ill just take my chance with the night phase.

Jesus Christ dude. I typed up an entire post about that a few pages back addressing all of said players but I guess you missed that one too. If you think I'm the Godfather at this point then you must either be a mafia noob or one of the worst players ever expecially given all of the information that we have at our disposal. There's no way in hell any godfather would put their ass on the line like I did earlier in the game, period. You're going to lose the game for the town just because you can't seem to see what most of the town is seeing.

From what I'm seeing, Jeff or Pence is the only hope we have for getting an actual lynch this day phase since the other three votes on me are by the obvious scum team (knuckles and L-O) and Nunez who's still caught up in something that shouldn't be stuck up on. Jeff posted his note and I posted mine. In mine it CLEARLY states that members of both town and mafia will be notified I'm an apprentice after I used my action. But of course that gets overlooked conveniently and we're stuck in neutral again.

[Reaver]

Nov 19, 2011 18:01:16 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Since Jeff posted his note I'm posting mine that I received about knuckles.

The apprentice of mine that you are looking for goes by Knuckles. He is my Secret Apprentice. Several members of the town and my apprentices have been alerted that you are an apprentice.

Let the game begin.

i dont have much time but i thought id say something today as to not get mod killed.

ive been reading this "note" over and over again and something doesnt seem rite in its own simplicity.

ur so called "nite role" gave u info and THIS is wat the argument is all about? 2 lines of bullshit? THIS is wat u call sufficient evidence that has ME pegged as scum? james cmon man, ur smarter than that. r we supposed to believe that this "evidence" u have is the smoking gun on me? this is way off from my role man and if anything, jeff's "evidence" implicates u alot more than urs does on me.

another thing thats been bothering me is the fact that in the write ups, NOTHING has been said about a secret apprentice, only an original apprentice. how do we no that this isnt YOUR role instead? according to jeff's note, ur an apprentice PERIOD. so even tho u cry wolf at me, u continue to look more and more shady. u act like ur the only person who sticks their neck out. anybody im sure would be willing if accused. even scum. so before anybody goes around thinking that james is town JUST CUZ HE STUCK HIS NECK OUT.....think twice cuz he has ALREADY been proven to be shady. he is a very experienced player and could probably convince a woman in white gloves to eat a ketchup popsicle.

if anybody deserves to be lynched, its james. looking at the bickering back and forth, regardless of which issue we deal with first, we will have to deal with the other as well anyways. since this came out first, i say we cap him before he has a chance to finish the rest of us off then deal with the L-O/Rebel scenario.

[Michael Jennings]

Nov 20, 2011 15:45:12 GMT -4 Reaver said:

Nov 19, 2011 18:01:16 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Since Jeff posted his note I'm posting mine that I received about knuckles.

i dont have much time but i thought id say something today as to not get mod killed.

ive been reading this "note" over and over again and something doesnt seem rite in its own simplicity.

ur so called "nite role" gave u info and THIS is wat the argument is all about? 2 lines of bullshit? THIS is wat u call sufficient evidence that has ME pegged as scum? james cmon man, ur smarter than that. r we supposed to believe that this "evidence" u have is the smoking gun on me? this is way off from my role man and if anything, jeff's "evidence" implicates u alot more than urs does on me.

another thing thats been bothering me is the fact that in the write ups, NOTHING has been said about a secret apprentice, only an original apprentice. how do we no that this isnt YOUR role instead? according to jeff's note, ur an apprentice PERIOD. so even tho u cry wolf at me, u continue to look more and more shady. u act like ur the only person who sticks their neck out. anybody im sure would be willing if accused. even scum. so before anybody goes around thinking that james is town JUST CUZ HE STUCK HIS NECK OUT.....think twice cuz he has ALREADY been proven to be shady. he is a very experienced player and could probably convince a woman in white gloves to eat a ketchup popsicle.

if anybody deserves to be lynched, its james. looking at the bickering back and forth, regardless of which issue we deal with first, we will have to deal with the other as well anyways. since this came out first, i say we cap him before he has a chance to finish the rest of us off then deal with the L-O/Rebel scenario.

First off you said I had a night role when it's been proven that I could use my role one time AT ANY TIME and I used it the last day phase. So already you're information is wrong. Since you're STILL whining about my information let me post it again to analyze it since apparently it's all bullshit to you.

The apprentice of mine that you are looking for goes by Knuckles. He is my Secret Apprentice. Several members of the town and my apprentices have been alerted that you are an apprentice.

Let the game begin.

CLEARLY the note I got says that you are Jigsaw's Secret Apprentice. It also says that several town members and his apprentices were alerted to my action with a note saying that I am an apprentice. That is EXACTLY what I said would happen and the more you get all pissy about it the more it shows that my information is correct.

As far as Jeff's note implicating me the fact is that he got it after I used my one-shot action to get the name of an apprentice and it confirms that I did do something. My note confirms the information that I was given. This isn't that hard to figure out. I got information and I'm using it.

How do we know that it isn't my role instead? READ THE NOTE. It states clearly that it is YOUR role, not mine. Don't even try to twist this around on me because I can see through that bullshit immediately. That can bother you all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's the damn truth according to the info I got. The only person in this game coming across as shady is you. The moment I got on your case you went into whine and bitch mode. That's all you've done since then, period. You haven't even tried or attempted to scum hunt. Also there is a reason the secret apprentice isn't in the write-ups...because they are secret. Key word SECRET. Meaning that they won't be revealed until the time is right just like in the movies and anybody who has seen the movies knows that.

Trying to use all of that as an argument is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen in a game like this to try and get someone lynched because it's easy to see through it. Also does anyone notice that he is trying to get the focus off of L-O and back onto me? Because I sure as hell did. I'm an experienced player, yes, but so are you and anybody who is experienced and is town will see through everything you just said. It's all distraction to get heat off of L-O.

[Reaver]

actually im not. this is only game 3 for me and as far as the L-O situation i could care less. ( at the moment at least) even at that ur far more experienced than i am and if anybody could bullshit...or smell it for that matter, it would be u.

ur just pissed off cuz i refuse to change the subject although u have no problem switching back and forth. im going to expose u for wat u r and if that means i need to sacrifice myself in order to take u out then so help me i will do so gleefully.

[Michael Jennings]

Nov 20, 2011 16:39:29 GMT -4 Reaver said:

actually im not. this is only game 3 for me and as far as the L-O situation i could care less. ( at the moment at least) even at that ur far more experienced than i am and if anybody could bullshit...or smell it for that matter, it would be u.

ur just pissed off cuz i refuse to change the subject although u have no problem switching back and forth. im going to expose u for wat u r and if that means i need to sacrifice myself in order to take u out then so help me i will do so gleefully.

You actually think I'm pissed over this? If I was pissed you'd know it. Ask JC or Harvey about what happens when I get pissed in these games. That is entirely not the case here. The fact is you want the attention off of L-O for a reason and that reason is obvious. You keep rambling about me switching back and forth. Has my vote changed since I made it? No so your entire "flip-flopping" and "switching back and forth" argument is null and void just because of that. If you were going to expose me then you would've been nightkilled the last night phase in order to set me up for a quick bandwagon lynch. That didn't happen so that even furthers my point that you are the secret apprentice.

Also I am not bullshitting. I've done everything but claim my character and role. No one else can say that much in this game and it's fairly obvious what role I have anyway so there's no reason for me to do that. As far as me sniffing out bullshit I'm very good at that especially in games like this one and thus far the only bullshit I'm seeing is from yourself and L-O. It's obvious something is clearly off with L-O and Blade has info stating as such so that's the other scummer going by the info I have saying that you are the secret apprentice. I'm going to only vote for yourself or him the entire rest of the game because I'm convinced that is your scum team.

[jc]

Good luck the rest of the game. Jeff and Nunez are safe for now, since they are batting for the other team right now. I'm dying tonight because I know they want me gone. They won't kill James because that would reveal he is right about Knux. Next day phase all they need is one vote in their favor to get rid of him. They'll kill Arcadia or atken that night and mislynch another townie with Jeff and nunez's help then it will be too late to stop them.

Nice job.

[President Jeff]

If we're not gonna get a Lynch tonight, then we're not gonna get a lynch any other night. Town is pretty much screwed now anyways.

So I'll bite

Unvote: JamesV

vote: Level One

I honestly don't believe Level One is scum, so when he turns up town, you all better have some fuckin explaining to do.

Fuck I hope I'm wrong about Lester

[Kurt]

And that's a lynch!

Write-up will be in after I take a shower and finish up my Knights RP!

[Kurt]

SAW Mafia
Day 4- Daytime

“I think my shoulder is broken.”

The Survivor tries to move his shoulder with the assist of others, but can’t.

The Recluse: Can…can anyone help him?

The Liar: You see a doctor anywhere in here?

A man, who had previously been silent, steps forward.

The Doctor: Actually…I’m a doctor. At least, I used to be.

The Doctor moves forward, and begins to touch The Survivor’s shoulder.

The Redneck: Why the Hell didn’t you say anything earlier then?

The Doctor: Because the second I did, you’d all be asking me about every little thing wrong with you. Now someone go find me a sheet or something.

The Liar: I know just where to find one. You, follow me.

The Liar points to the Gossiper, and both walk off in the distance as the group tends to the Survivor. Unbeknownst to them, another man follows in the background…

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The Liar and the Gossiper both walk back into the room with the bed, where the “LIAR” is written on the wall. The Liar then begins to snatch the sheets.

The Liar: That son of a bitch survived, but he needs real medical help to keep going. We need to find a way out of here, and fast, before we-

A note drops out of the sheets as The Liar rips them off the bed. He picks up the note, and opens it. He begins to read it to himself.

The Gossiper: The Hell is that that?

The Liar: I…I think I know who the apprentice is…

Before either man can speak, two syringes go in their backs! Both men fall, as a masked Pig Man stand over them.

The Original Apprentice: Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on-

Suddenly, the Original Apprentice gets a syringe to the back as well! He stumbles, and turns, where another Pig Man is standing!

The Original Apprentice: You….I….got….

He falls, and the standing Pig Man looks over the three downed me, before dragging them away…

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A static plays over a nearby TV, waking up all three men in the room. They look around…but all three men are in pig suits! They are all also chained to platforms, and frantically try to fight to get out!

#1: The fuck is this?!?

#2: Goddamit!

#3: Guys, what’s happening?

The all too familiar television flashes on…

Jigsaw: Hello gentlemen. I want to play a game. Right now, three of you are chained to an ice platforms, with a drain on each side. Beneath each platform lies a small fire…but it’s not going to be small for long.

Jigsaw: The three of you have hurt others with your lies and deceits, burning their lives to pieces. Today, your words are going to save you…or consume you. In front of each of you lies two buttons. Press the one on your right, and the person your right has their flame increase. Press the left, and the fire to your left increase. Know that two men could easily melt the ice of one if they work together…but I have hidden your faces for this exact purpose. One of you is not who they say they are…so it’s time to see who you really are. The game is over when one of you falls to the fire that you created. Who can you trust to save you from the fire of Hell? Live or die…make your choice.

The TV buzzes off, and the three men begin to kick about, slipping on the ice.

#3: I don’t want to die, I CAN’T!

#2: Shut up! We have to find a way out of here, and-

#1: No…one of us isn’t going to make it. One of us is Jigsaw’s apprentice…and I know how to find out. What are your numbers?

The two men kick about, before one of them speaks.

#2: Numbers? What the fuck are you-

#1: It’s him! If he had a number, he’d share it! That's what the note said! Get him!

Both men step on the switch, and #2’s ice begins to melt rapidly as the flame increases! He kicks around, but it’s no avail!

#2: YOU CAN’T DO THIS TO ME!

After a few seconds…his ice melts! He goes down, but a noose tightens around his neck, and he’s hung over the fire! He gives one last kick, and then goes limp. The chains around the other two unlock, and they fall of the ice! They pull of their masks, and go over to the hanging Pig Man, and take a note out of his pocket…

DEAD: Lester “L1” Only/The Original Apprentice - Mafia Godfather

The two surviving men are the Gossiper and the Liar! They smile to themselves, but the TV turns on one more time.

Jigsaw: Congratulations. You have found my Original Apprentice. However...the threat is not over. There are still more tests to be had before you can walk out safely.

The Liar: How...how many fucking apprentices are left...?

*NIGHT 4 BEGINS NOW*

*Night 4 officially ends at 11 PM on November 21st. Get those night actions in ASAP!*

[Kurt]

SAW MAFIA
Day 4 – Night

“He’s dead. I’m getting the Hell out of here.”

The Liar throws a single bloody pig mask to the ground. The others stare at it as The Gossiper limps into view.

The Gossiper: We got him…in a test. The Original Apprentice is dead.

The Redneck: So what, are we free to go?

The Liar: I don’t know…Jigsaw told us that there’s still more tests to be had…but fuck it, I survived my test! I’m getting the Hell out of here!

Suddenly, a loud BANG is heard as a door behind the group opens. It is down a flight of stairs, and The Liar moves in to look at it. Written on the wall is the phrase ‘FREEDOM, IF YOU’VE EARNED IT.”

The Liar: Well, that sounds like me, now doesn’t it?

The Redneck: We don’t even know what’s down there-

The Liar: I get that you’re a drunk redneck, but can’t you read? We’re getting out of here….well, I am anyway. I passed my test!

The Liar begins to move down the room, as the rest of the group stands around.

The Peeping Tom: So…should we follow him? I mean, sitting around just leaves us open if there is another apprentice.

The Recluse: He passed his test…I’m following him.

The gang begins to follow, as The Doctor helps us The Survivor. They move into the dark basement, where one door is before them. It reads one phrase:

Suddenly, a TV in the corner lights up.

Jigsaw: Greeting everyone. You have no doubt found yourselves on the path to escaping your personal Hell, and valuing your lives. Many of you have already been tested…but know that you are not immune from a bad decision. Today, I give you the chance to make a good decision amongst a life of mistakes. The door in front of you will lead you out of this labyrinth. I urge you…not to open it.

The Corrupt Politician: What?! That’s bullshit!

The Liar: I earned my Goddamn freedom!

Jigsaw: Instead, I urge you to find the path of resistance, for there are no shortcuts to learning a life lesson. Disobeying the rules of this game has consequences for the group as a whole, so I urge you again…do not listen to your first instinct. Freedom, in this case, is a LIE. Another way will reveal itself in time. Live or die…make your choice.

The TV turns off, and the group faces the ‘Freedom’ door.

The Redneck: Well…I guess that ends this little adventure. We need to one more way out to-

The Liar: NO!

The Liar faces the group, his face crimson red.

The Liar: FUCK THAT! I survived my test, and I’m getting out of here! You all can sit here and die, but I’m making the choice alright: I’m going to live! Nice knowing you all!

Before any of the group can stop him, the Liar runs forward, and opens the doors up. He takes one step inside…and four shotguns go off!

DEAD: JamesV/The Liar (#3) – Town Custom Role

Suddenly, the lights in the basement turn on, and another set of shotguns aims at the group!

Jigsaw: ‘Freedom’ comes with its own set of consequences…for you can truly only be free by valuing your life. Know that I have no led you astray. Now, another must suffer for the selfishness of one. Who will step forward to save you all? Make your choice.

The group faces the shotguns, as a timer on the wall begins…

*PLAYER LIST COMING IN JUST A MINUTE*

[Kurt]

*NIGHT 4 IS OFFICIALLY OVER, AND DAY 5 BEGINS NOW*

Player List:
1. Arcadia
2. Knuckles
3. Blade (originally Nathaniel Havok)
4. Pence Weatherlight
5. President Jeff
6. Jesse Nunez
7. JC
8. Phil Atken

Dead:
1. Kaji Fireson/The Detective (#7)- Town Cop ( Tested Night 1)
2. Johnny Rebel/The Venegeful Apprentice (#6) - Mafia Usurper/Roleblocker (Modkilled Day 3)
3. CJ Gates/The Rapist (#2) - Town Lightening Rod (Tested Night 3)
4. Lester "L1" Only/The Original Apprentice - Mafia Godfather (Tested Day 4)
5. JamesV/The Liar (#3) - Town Custom Role (Tested Night 4)

Day 4 Ends at 1 AM EST, November 25th (72 Hours Remain)
With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to be tested.

[Phil Atken]

Why does the nightkill make me want to lynch knuckles less.

[Phil Atken]

vote: Nunez

[President Jeff]

Am I ever glad Lester came out Town.

I dunno about Nunez being scum Phil. Wouldn't Knuckles be scum now?

[Phil Atken]

I'm in two minds about knuckles.

I mean, killing Varga in the night, showing him to be town really wouldn't be in the Mafia's interest if knuckles was the last scum. It's like shining a big light saying "LYNCH KNUCKLES" which gives me pause for thought.

However, I have had my doubts about Nunez this entire game so I'm going with my gut here more than anything else.

[Reaver]

wow....

i agree with atkins. so now what?

[jc]

vote: knuckles

Because the smartest thing scum would have done if it wasnt knuckles, is let james live so we could lynch one of the. When that player flips town, they kill someone else at night then the next day we lynch the other of the two and they kill another person at night. Thats for townies gone and we woulda be back at square one with like four players

Knuckles just played the why would I do that card, but it is obvious that james test was to get the town to believe him since his r reason for being here was because of his lies. Would anyone trust the liar? I do for that reason.

[Reaver]

ive been looking back, who looked suspect during that whole argument between me and james?

Blade says he has info that L-O is scum........

can somebody confirm this? wat info did u have? it proved to be rite. maybe it can help us furthermore?

...unless this was the number list all over again?

[Reaver]

ebwop....


cuz jc, that would be too easy. the scum capped james thinking that the town would get together and lynch me making it easier for them.

[Blade]

This is just info I have:


Town roles left in the game:

The Redneck
The Corrupt Politician
The Doctor
The Recluse
The Peeping Tom
The Survivor
The Gossiper


8 alive. 7 town roles. 1 scum role.


Unfortunately, J Rebel got modkilled so quickly, there was no voting pattern on day 2.


Reaver. I have no more info on any more apprentices. The info I had on L-1 was the number list. I was given a number the same as the apprentice. I had to figure out the number pattern to find scum.


I believe Jeff is town. Yeah he flipped late, but he flipped. He could have stood strong and forced a no lynch. I believe Jeff is town and also possibly the gossiper


Knuckles would be the most obvious lynch, and i believe scum killed James because of us going AWW shit, knuckles is scum. Knucks, you get a pass from me at the moment.

JC was one of the first on the L-1 lynch along with myself. And Arcadia and atkens followed. I dont believe there was a single member of scum on the L-1 lynch because they had the numbers with Pence being active.

There was a night kill so I'm ruling Pence out for the time being.


That leaves Nunez and his refusal to see anything clearly.

Due to my circumstances, I cant help on this vote, but my vote would be on

vote: Nunez

It will take everyone to be on the same page to lynch him though unless the secret voter can come into play again

[Reaver]

that does sound about rite but im inclined to let nunez explain himself

[Arcadia]

It wouldn't be in the Mafia's best interest, especially when half of us were so close to lynching him yesterday. If the mafia hadnt killed him, I'm sure we would haver the next day. BUT, James did turn up town, and I still believe him about Knuckles. So, whether it was the smartest move or not, this shows that JamesV's note was true, and the others weren't. So...

Vote: Knuckles

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Well after L1 turned up town I was all set to vote Knuckles as scum since JamesV was right and since he was right about L1 I figure he be right about Knuckles and him telling the truth about his note that Knuckles is scum. Now that he is dead I wouldn't know why Knuckles if he is scum would agree to kill him off at night. I guess he can play that why would I do that card since James was going for him. Even if he was town though he wasn't safe with or without JamesV being alive. Figured at least taking out JamesV before we all voted for him.

However I think its unfair that we only speak about people who have spoken in the game this whole time. I know Pence hasn't been on here lately but is that really an excuse not to come on here for about 5 mins and have his say?

[President Jeff]

knuckles

This is just based of JamesV note. He was right about Lester. My note showed him as scum and he came out a townie. I think James note was telling the Truth. If he comes up town, then I'm guessing Nunez is the scum cause I don't think another scum voted for Lester to get Lynched