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Post by Level-Two on Feb 5, 2012 15:50:19 GMT -4
Oh, my vote is stolen. Nice. Scum is targeting me in a mafia game, again.
So, I'm left with the task of figuring out WHO would want to steal my vote and why; as well as, why they would specifically link it back onto T-Marv.
My personal guess is because scum was going to try to lead a lynch on T-Marv. I'm sure someone noticed that I have pretty much assumed he's a townie and is one of the more least likely to end up voting for him... so FORCE me to vote for him or not at all seems to be the game plan here.
With that said; whoever the scum is I think they're plan was set back after T-Marv came out with his most recent information and gave us some insight into what his town aligned role insists of.
And now this brings me back to my two main suspects; Rebel and Jeff. More-so Rebel because Jeff usually pushes the entire ''why didn't they take out a strong player like L1'' after a day change and to be fair at the time he was a townie and I was Mafia; but still I question anyone posing questions like these on day 2. Besides, who's to say you don't know why it was knuckles instead of me?
As for Rebel you directly dug up that post on T-Marv. Weak. And yes, you did cover your tracks by saying it wasn't enough to leave a vote on him but I'm not sure how that's even remotely a defence. If you're scum you'll need the votes to lynch T-Marv and you first need a bandwagon to do so. Whatever the hell that post you dug up was; appeared to me as an attempt to get some gears turning in his direction.
Finally, the odd L-1 call out you made last day phase for apparently no reason... saying I was being very quiet, too quiet in a attempt to not get myself killed which could mean either during the night or in a lynch on a day one. This earned you an eyebrow raise at the time but now with my vote stolen this random off the cuff comment tells me you have your eye on me.
Unfortunately, this is all circumstantial and there's nothing solid to work with but if someone has any investigative roles and hoping for some answers one way or another; Johnny Rebel and or Jeff seems like a good place to start.
As far as this two groups of bad guys... possible but I don't know. I think white can also simply mean characters that are IN heroes but not in the actual game. I mean what you're looking at is literally filler quotes in between vote counts. Until someone finds something concrete to support this I can't really get behind this theory yet.
Slater,
Yes but he can also be replaced which is what my point was. As I said the only post he made was scummy. Of course if he's town and he's replaced with someone effective then it'll help; but anyone who believes there is two mafia aligned groups then it only improves the chances of hitting scum.
Also is this not Bacon's first game? I get the feeling he's a first time player, scum aligned and has no clue what to do and has frozen up like Aspen did last game... but that's just me.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Feb 5, 2012 17:19:43 GMT -4
Oh, my vote is stolen. Nice. Scum is targeting me in a mafia game, again. So, I'm left with the task of figuring out WHO would want to steal my vote and why; as well as, why they would specifically link it back onto T-Marv. My personal guess is because scum was going to try to lead a lynch on T-Marv. I'm sure someone noticed that I have pretty much assumed he's a townie and is one of the more least likely to end up voting for him... so FORCE me to vote for him or not at all seems to be the game plan here. With that said; whoever the scum is I think they're plan was set back after T-Marv came out with his most recent information and gave us some insight into what his town aligned role insists of. And now this brings me back to my two main suspects; Rebel and Jeff. More-so Rebel because Jeff usually pushes the entire ''why didn't they take out a strong player like L1'' after a day change and to be fair at the time he was a townie and I was Mafia; but still I question anyone posing questions like these on day 2. Besides, who's to say you don't know why it was knuckles instead of me? As for Rebel you directly dug up that post on T-Marv. Weak. And yes, you did cover your tracks by saying it wasn't enough to leave a vote on him but I'm not sure how that's even remotely a defence. If you're scum you'll need the votes to lynch T-Marv and you first need a bandwagon to do so. Whatever the hell that post you dug up was; appeared to me as an attempt to get some gears turning in his direction. Finally, the odd L-1 call out you made last day phase for apparently no reason... saying I was being very quiet, too quiet in a attempt to not get myself killed which could mean either during the night or in a lynch on a day one. This earned you an eyebrow raise at the time but now with my vote stolen this random off the cuff comment tells me you have your eye on me. Unfortunately, this is all circumstantial and there's nothing solid to work with but if someone has any investigative roles and hoping for some answers one way or another; Johnny Rebel and or Jeff seems like a good place to start. As far as this two groups of bad guys... possible but I don't know. I think white can also simply mean characters that are IN heroes but not in the actual game. I mean what you're looking at is literally filler quotes in between vote counts. Until someone finds something concrete to support this I can't really get behind this theory yet. Slater, Yes but he can also be replaced which is what my point was. As I said the only post he made was scummy. Of course if he's town and he's replaced with someone effective then it'll help; but anyone who believes there is two mafia aligned groups then it only improves the chances of hitting scum. Also is this not Bacon's first game? I get the feeling he's a first time player, scum aligned and has no clue what to do and has frozen up like Aspen did last game... but that's just me. Oh please. Don't get your panties in a wad... I was just making an observation. |
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Post by Level-Two on Feb 5, 2012 17:54:09 GMT -4
Can I steal this next time I'm confronted about one of my ''observations?''
If you're referring to the entire ''L1's quiet deal'' okay, pass; but reaching for that T-marv post and FOS'ing him over it is what it is = scummy as hell.
But yeah, nothing to see here everyone...
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Post by Kid Dynamo on Feb 5, 2012 18:15:55 GMT -4
I'm ready for the votes to begin raining down to see where people are really feeling (since in any instance talk is cheap) but I'd also like to hear from some of the others who aren't constantly on the board (like me) first.
Plus, there's been some accusing that has gone undefensed.
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Post by jasonandrews on Feb 5, 2012 18:36:04 GMT -4
I am sorry i have to bail out on this you guys i havent been able to keep up been a busy weekend
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Post by Blade on Feb 5, 2012 19:03:15 GMT -4
Michael Callahan replaces bacon
Continue...
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Post by Michael Callahan on Feb 5, 2012 19:34:26 GMT -4
I'm a little bit intrigued by L1's almost fascist "KILL THE USELESS VILLAGERS" tirade. Not enough to make a vote against him but I'm keeping my eye on him.
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Post by Level-Two on Feb 5, 2012 19:40:13 GMT -4
I'm a little bit intrigued by L1's almost fascist "KILL THE USELESS VILLAGERS" tirade. Not enough to make a vote against him but I'm keeping my eye on him. There was no such tirade. Interesting that you were subbed in for bacon mid way through a day phase, though. |
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Post by Michael Callahan on Feb 5, 2012 19:44:19 GMT -4
"At the very least; get him talking. If you're not actively trying to hunt scum, you're useless to the town."- This.
Not really. I'm sure it's to keep the flow of gameplay going more than anything. You are pointing far too many fingers for a supposed innocent. It's a little unnerving.
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Post by Jules on Feb 5, 2012 19:52:14 GMT -4
This in unbelievably aggressive start Callahan after being in this game less than half an hour. L-1 doesn't need me to defend him, but I have to agree I have no idea what you mean by this so-called fascist tirade. Whereas the exact wording of the L-1 comment you reference may not be strictly true, the principle behind it - that inactive town players are useless - is true.
I wonder has this substitution come about at the prompting/suggestion of a player other than Bacon?
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Post by Michael Callahan on Feb 5, 2012 19:56:39 GMT -4
My aggression comes from a mixture of not really knowing what I'm doing (ignorance) and a consensus that my predecessor was scum thanks to inactivity (fear). So you'll excuse me if I seem a little rash.
Anything untowards regarding this substitution has nothing to do with me. I'm simply here. Say what you will.
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Post by Level-Two on Feb 5, 2012 20:03:11 GMT -4
This = facist tirade? Umm, okay. First of all; I never said to kill useless villagers or anything like it. What I said is; Bacon only action in the game was shady and was worth taking the risk... rather then sit around doing nothing. If I knew Bacon was a townie; I wouldn't advocate his lynch.
Thus there was nothing about killing useless townies. Other then statistics there's nothing at all as to why anyone should believe Bacon (and now you) is a town aligned player.
I'm wondering the same thing. More importantly, Blade immediately began bumping the player thread after my post about lynching a seemingly scummy, inactive Bacon. Coincidence? Perhaps but now his substitute he's in this game mid way through the day.
Quite possible Blade is trying to save his game from being ruined by the dreaded inactive mafia player.
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Post by Kid Dynamo on Feb 5, 2012 20:05:15 GMT -4
Defending L1 (since I owe him one), I think he's more saying that those who are town know who they are and need to be trying to solve the puzzle instead of waiting to get killed.
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Post by Blade on Feb 5, 2012 20:05:33 GMT -4
Vote Count
1 - Michael Callahan [Captain metro]
1 - T-marv [Level One]
Not Voting
[Dynamo, CJ, Hometown Heroes, Matt Slater, Noble, Johnny Rebel, Biggs, Atkens, Michael Callahan, President Jeff, T-Marv, Kris, JamesV]
With 16 Alive takes 9 to Lynch
Mod note:
Callahan replaced with just a little under 48 hours to go in the day phase. bacon had made 3 posts all game, contributing nothing apart from within the first 24 hours of day 1. I wanted to keep the game flowing.
Bacon quit after I sent him his prod last night, of which he then revealed he was quitting in the thread.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Feb 5, 2012 20:09:41 GMT -4
^
See? Game flowing. I told you. I made aggressive posts because I'm new and want to feel like I'm contributing something. Maybe I was a little overzealous. And I'm concerned that after I pick up on you being aggressive you're now turning your attentions to me. Radiates scum. And with Farquhar jumping to your aid so quickly it raises more questions.
Curiosity may kill this kitty, but I'll be damned if I don't remain inquisitive in a game like this.
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Post by Jules on Feb 5, 2012 20:11:44 GMT -4
^ See? Game flowing. I told you. I made aggressive posts because I'm new and want to feel like I'm contributing something. Maybe I was a little overzealous. And I'm concerned that after I pick up on you being aggressive you're now turning your attentions to me. Radiates scum. And with Farquhar jumping to your aid so quickly it raises more questions. Curiosity may kill this kitty, but I'll be damned if I don't remain inquisitive in a game like this. Haha, nice try! |
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Post by Michael Callahan on Feb 5, 2012 20:15:03 GMT -4
^ See? Game flowing. I told you. I made aggressive posts because I'm new and want to feel like I'm contributing something. Maybe I was a little overzealous. And I'm concerned that after I pick up on you being aggressive you're now turning your attentions to me. Radiates scum. And with Farquhar jumping to your aid so quickly it raises more questions. Curiosity may kill this kitty, but I'll be damned if I don't remain inquisitive in a game like this. Haha, nice try! Thanks. Practice makes perfect. |
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Post by Level-Two on Feb 5, 2012 20:15:20 GMT -4
I was just waiting for you to take Blade's post out of context. Of course putting you in the game keeps the flow going... who said otherwise? Blade was explaining why a sub was made and how Bacon was inactive... all points I agree with.
However, you trying to use that to clear you as scum? The fact is, Blade isn't going to tell us whether or not your scum either way... but my point still stands.
You were subbed in mid day, urgently after a case was made for lynching an inactive Bacon.
P.S; I'm always aggressive. You aren't going to shock jock anyone into that theory of yours.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Feb 5, 2012 20:19:00 GMT -4
I'm a politician sweetheart. Taking things out of context is what I do. If I'm still alive when this whole thing blows over and it turns out that I am NOT a crook, I'll give you the masterclass. Although admittedly, I somehow doubt you'll see the afterparty.
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Post by Metrodamus on Feb 5, 2012 21:11:39 GMT -4
My aggression comes from a mixture of not really knowing what I'm doing (ignorance) and a consensus that my predecessor was scum thanks to inactivity (fear). So you'll excuse me if I seem a little rash. I'm content with my vote. Bacon appeared like scum and was getting called on it, now Callahan steps in and plays the exact opposite. |
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Post by Kurt on Feb 5, 2012 21:21:00 GMT -4
Even though I disagreed with L1's argument of lynching Bacon before a more vocal player stepped into his role (because I was hoping he'd pipe up before being replaced...or just get modkilled), I agree with his philosophy that it's pointless to sit on your thumbs when there's a viable action in play.
Here's what the town has so far Dan: Knuckles was killed by a white player. Maybe Mafia, maybe not...but now we know there actually are red players in the game. Thus, we're leaning towards an inactive Godfather. No roleblocker has stepped forward.
Bacon through an unusual vote on me day 1, and then timed out. He logged on, but wasn't maintaining any activity in the game thread. Then, he's subbed out for you mid-day...which almost never happens. Subs usually happen at the end of days, no the middle. Sure it's Blade's discretion, but it's unusual. It didn't help that you then did a strawman for L1's argument and took Blade's comment out of context to justify yourself, which from the looks of basically every post now being about you, looks like a moth calling in the flames.
Bacon had slight suspicion for being scum...but you've definitely not helped the case he did didn't establish. With all of the above circumstantial evidence, and no other info in play, you look like a mafia player to me.
Vote: Callahan
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Post by Kris on Feb 5, 2012 21:46:49 GMT -4
After reading over the thread and catching up on things, I've got to say three things.
1) Dynamo's settled down a bit, but I'm still going to keep an eye on him. He's either learned from some of his mistakes on his own, or someone else (the other scummers) thumped him on the head and told him to simmer down. We'll see how this plays out.
2) I still firmly believe that there is a third party of one-- a serial killer, as T-Marv put it-- that is Sylar. Nothing has come forth to convince otherwise-- the theories on why the killer's name is in white instead of red, for instance-- which is why I'm sticking to that hunch. For there to be a Heroes game without Sylar would be like porn without sex.
3) I'm not one to jump on the 'vote for the inactives' bandwagon since that is something that the mods generally deal with one way or another... but Callahan? You're definitely playing in shady, word-twisting fashion-- like you're desperately trying to hide your alignment. I've got to agree with Kurt and L-1 on this, thus...
Vote: Callahan
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Post by Kid Dynamo on Feb 5, 2012 22:18:53 GMT -4
Soooo...
Bacon gets replaced,
Metro decides to keep his vote where it is, essentially punishing Callahan for wanting to play,
And with only a handful of posts to work with, we're bandwagoning him?
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Post by Kid Dynamo on Feb 5, 2012 22:25:56 GMT -4
Bacon is guilty of making a joke vote then quitting. Why are we in such a rush to assume knuckles' death = inscribe godfather and lynching the first inactive? Didn't y'all call me scum for the EXACT same behavior day 1?
Maybe they knew Knucks had precognition. That alone makes his death beneficial.
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Post by Hometown Heroes on Feb 5, 2012 22:26:58 GMT -4
That what I was thinking. He came in taking over someone role. I say before we even lynched him should give him one more day before we do that.
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Post by Kris on Feb 5, 2012 22:34:35 GMT -4
Soooo... Bacon gets replaced, Metro decides to keep his vote where it is, essentially punishing Callahan for wanting to play, And with only a handful of posts to work with, we're bandwagoning him? You put through votes for people on a lot less, Dynamo, myself included. And frankly, I wouldn't be voting for Callahan if it wasn't for how he's made quite the case for suspicion. Check out the exchange between Level-One and Callahan, and you'll see what I mean. Things like: ...and... ...both ring as extremely suspicious to me. There's still time for my mind to be changed, so by all means-- convince me. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Feb 5, 2012 22:48:23 GMT -4
Man, I hate hospitals. Been in one most of the weekend and have been following the game with my phone, but haven't been able to make a substantial post. I should be more active now that it's the week. Weekends might be hit or miss for me (as I found out from this weekend, anyways).
I'm unsure on the Callahan thing. I mean, he's playing aggressively, and some of his posts seem like that are highly suspicious but I don't know if I can vote for him right now. Maybe I'm just trying to make sure we don't end up lynching useful townies, but I'm not sure he's it. Not yet anyways.
The only other thing that stood out was one of TMarvs earlier posts this day. Curious as to how he got two characters confirmed with roles. Not saying he's scum, just curious (I might have missed it, I'll admit that, but I feel like I've been pretty up to date).
I'd comment on more but a lot of it seems to have already been discussed. I'm keeping my eyes on the likes of Jeff and Rebel, though. I think Level One mentioned that Jeff usually pushes the whole lynching of inactives...and I'm wondering if because Jeff isn't pushing that, that it should be a red flag with a changed game play.
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Post by Kurt on Feb 5, 2012 23:06:21 GMT -4
Bacon is guilty of making a joke vote then quitting. Why are we in such a rush to assume knuckles' death = inscribe godfather and lynching the first inactive? Didn't y'all call me scum for the EXACT same behavior day 1? Maybe they knew Knucks had precognition. That alone makes his death beneficial. Alright bud, I'll bite. You think we're making a mistake. Who do you (and HH for that matter) think is scum? Callahan to me has the most evidence of being scum through situation and post-based evidence. You wanted to hear the opinions of others earlier, and now you don't like them. Let's hear yours then. Shoot. |
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Post by Kid Dynamo on Feb 5, 2012 23:42:42 GMT -4
I won't vote Bacon for a joke vote, and a won't vote Callahan for not being Bacon. The bandwagon is mad because Callahan is playing differently than Bacon. he's done nothing wrong except the same thing I did yesterday which was basically overposting. That doesn't make you scum. That makes you excited to play. I don't "know" anything except being able to walk in his shoes. I was begging for a lynch because I was too excited to play it cool. I'm (hopefully) a little better now so let's let him settle in before lighting him on fire.
But speaking of, it's a red flag to me that this happened in the first place. Why was Bacon targetedenough to where Callahan wad scum by default?
Because Captain Metro said so.
(Metro's comments justifying his bandwagon-inciting vote are underlined; I suck at quoting)
I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.
next was after Farq called him out for having NO REASON TO VOTE HIM!!!
Scummy third vote on Noble and then disappeared as if someone in his QT told him to knock it off.
After reviewing the "scummy third vote", METRO voted Noble as a joke, followed immediately by Rebel AND bacon voting Noble as if to agree. So where's the lynch on Rebel?
As for disappearing, he had a busy weekend. He told us so and he talked to Blade and got his role kept. He should get a fistpump, not vilified.
I'm content with my vote. Bacon appeared like scum and was getting called on it, now Callahan steps in and plays the exact opposite.
Bacon was only get called out by Metro and it's for the stupidest reason I have seen so far. And Callahan is playing the opposite BECAUSE HE'S A DIFFERENT PLAYER!!! Blade told him to adopt Bacon's role not his persona and mannerisms.
The more you people jump on a bandwagon against Calla-Bacon, the more convinced I am it's Metro's design, and if a stupid joke vote is enough evidence to lynch one guy, then a clear vendetta is enough as well.
vote: Captain Metro
I would be stunned if you told me this was baseless.
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Post by Hometown Heroes on Feb 5, 2012 23:59:45 GMT -4
I agree with everything Kid just posted. Calla is a new player and just got into the game. So shouldn't be voted out just yet. We should be looking for Mafia and scum not voting out new player in the game.
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