Heroes Mafia [Day 7]

[Metrodamus]

Feb 5, 2012 23:42:42 GMT -4 Kid Dynamo said:

I won't vote Bacon for a joke vote, and a won't vote Callahan for not being Bacon. The bandwagon is mad because Callahan is playing differently than Bacon. he's done nothing wrong except the same thing I did yesterday which was basically overposting. That doesn't make you scum. That makes you excited to play. I don't "know" anything except being able to walk in his shoes. I was begging for a lynch because I was too excited to play it cool. I'm (hopefully) a little better now so let's let him settle in before lighting him on fire. 

But speaking of, it's a red flag to me that this happened in the first place. Why was Bacon targetedenough to where Callahan wad scum by default?

Because Captain Metro said so. 

(Metro's comments justifying his bandwagon-inciting vote are underlined; I suck at quoting)

I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.

next was after Farq called him out for having NO REASON TO VOTE HIM!!!

Scummy third vote on Noble and then disappeared as if someone in his QT told him to knock it off.

After reviewing the "scummy third vote", METRO voted Noble as a joke, followed immediately by Rebel AND bacon voting Noble as if to agree. So where's the lynch on Rebel?

As for disappearing, he had a busy weekend. He told us so and he talked to Blade and got his role kept. He should get a fistpump, not vilified. 


I'm content with my vote. Bacon appeared like scum and was getting called on it, now Callahan steps in and plays the exact opposite.

Bacon was only get called out by Metro and it's for the stupidest reason I have seen so far. And Callahan is playing the opposite BECAUSE HE'S A DIFFERENT PLAYER!!! Blade told him to adopt Bacon's role not his persona and mannerisms. 

The more you people jump on a bandwagon against Calla-Bacon, the more convinced I am it's Metro's design, and if a stupid joke vote is enough evidence to lynch one guy, then a clear vendetta is enough as well. 

vote: Captain Metro

I would be stunned if you told me this was baseless. 

Are you even thinking mate? It lines up so bloody perfect. You've got an inexperienced player who makes a mistake by just hopping onto the band wagon. I brought it up in a post in conjunction with T-Marv's seeming no-lynch agenda and his buddy in the quick topic tells him to ignore it. Callahan then comes in as a replacement looks at the thread and goes "fuck, he's getting called out for being quiet, I'll be the exact opposite."

In my opinion you're the most suspect player in the game. Everything about the way you've played should lead me to believe you're scum but I thought especially given the way day one played out that you're simply an over-eager townie. Now I'm not sure and I'm concerned that you're scum and know that a Callahan lynch is going to flip him as town and you're already putting your ducks in a row to attempt to lead my lynch and place yourself as town with an "I told you so."

[Kid Dynamo]

So...I'm scum because I called you out for your pointless vote and even more conspicuous consistent insistence that Calla-Bacon is the devil?

Or am I scum because I didn't jump on you and Kris's bandwagon?

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 5, 2012 21:11:39 GMT -4 Metrodamus said:

Feb 5, 2012 19:56:39 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

My aggression comes from a mixture of not really knowing what I'm doing (ignorance) and a consensus that my predecessor was scum thanks to inactivity (fear). So you'll excuse me if I seem a little rash.

I'm content with my vote. Bacon appeared like scum and was getting called on it, now Callahan steps in and plays the exact opposite.

So you're voting him because of playstyle? PLEASE. That is weak as hell and wreaks of drawing at straws. I'm aggressive as fuck and do you see people voting me? HELL NO. Why? Because it's weak as hell to vote for someone just because of their playstyle.

Feb 6, 2012 0:05:18 GMT -4 Metrodamus said:

Feb 5, 2012 23:42:42 GMT -4 Kid Dynamo said:

I won't vote Bacon for a joke vote, and a won't vote Callahan for not being Bacon. The bandwagon is mad because Callahan is playing differently than Bacon. he's done nothing wrong except the same thing I did yesterday which was basically overposting. That doesn't make you scum. That makes you excited to play. I don't "know" anything except being able to walk in his shoes. I was begging for a lynch because I was too excited to play it cool. I'm (hopefully) a little better now so let's let him settle in before lighting him on fire. 

But speaking of, it's a red flag to me that this happened in the first place. Why was Bacon targetedenough to where Callahan wad scum by default?

Because Captain Metro said so. 

(Metro's comments justifying his bandwagon-inciting vote are underlined; I suck at quoting)

I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.

next was after Farq called him out for having NO REASON TO VOTE HIM!!!

Scummy third vote on Noble and then disappeared as if someone in his QT told him to knock it off.

After reviewing the "scummy third vote", METRO voted Noble as a joke, followed immediately by Rebel AND bacon voting Noble as if to agree. So where's the lynch on Rebel?

As for disappearing, he had a busy weekend. He told us so and he talked to Blade and got his role kept. He should get a fistpump, not vilified. 


I'm content with my vote. Bacon appeared like scum and was getting called on it, now Callahan steps in and plays the exact opposite.

Bacon was only get called out by Metro and it's for the stupidest reason I have seen so far. And Callahan is playing the opposite BECAUSE HE'S A DIFFERENT PLAYER!!! Blade told him to adopt Bacon's role not his persona and mannerisms. 

The more you people jump on a bandwagon against Calla-Bacon, the more convinced I am it's Metro's design, and if a stupid joke vote is enough evidence to lynch one guy, then a clear vendetta is enough as well. 

vote: Captain Metro

I would be stunned if you told me this was baseless. 

Are you even thinking mate? It lines up so bloody perfect. You've got an inexperienced player who makes a mistake by just hopping onto the band wagon. I brought it up in a post in conjunction with T-Marv's seeming no-lynch agenda and his buddy in the quick topic tells him to ignore it. Callahan then comes in as a replacement looks at the thread and goes "fuck, he's getting called out for being quiet, I'll be the exact opposite."

In my opinion you're the most suspect player in the game. Everything about the way you've played should lead me to believe you're scum but I thought especially given the way day one played out that you're simply an over-eager townie. Now I'm not sure and I'm concerned that you're scum and know that a Callahan lynch is going to flip him as town and you're already putting your ducks in a row to attempt to lead my lynch and place yourself as town with an "I told you so."

In this whole scenario I think you are the scum and possible Noble as well. Here's why. Callahan posted aggressively which shows me the kid, although new, has got some balls which I can respect. The moment he does you chime in that your vote is staying and Noble conventiently joins in a little while later. Kris doesn't give me scum vibes however you and Noble got my attention. Callahan is a talker unlike Bacon. Does that make him scum? Does that make him scum? I THINK NOT. Speaking of QTs I bet you got the idea for that entire spiel you did from whomever you are with because I'm betting money you are third party or scum.

You were one of the two people I was looking at earlier and now you've got me pretty much convinced you're using this Callahan thing to get the heat off of some other people who have the attention on them and onto Callahan. I'm not dumb. This is as plain as day. Right now I'm EXTREMELY skeptical about the Callahan lynch. Why? Because I think he is town and I think the some non-town players (meaning you) are using his playstyle as an excuse to lynch him. I'm not buying it and the fact you are pushing for this so much is enough to warrant a vote.

Vote: Metro

If Metro comes up as a non-town role then Noble and Kris are the two players that need to be looked at because of all of this. If Callahan is lynched and turns up scum then Dynamo needs to be looked at. However I think that either Metro or Dynamo is the scummer in this scenario for certain and it's obvious who I think is the scum out of the two going by my vote. That's how I view this entire scenario.

[Level-Two]

I personally don't advocate a Callahan vote at this point. I know I advocated a Bacon vote but he's already been replaced and that's over and done with. However, I do not like the way Callahan has decided to play this day phase and I think Metro is onto something in regards to why Callahan is playing this game the way he is once he got into it.

While Kid Dynamo too is a first time player and has flipped flopped everywhere... Callahan seems to have some sort of chip on his shoulder and I think the reason as to why that is; is because he's coming into this game as scum and has a team behind him.

The reason why I simply do not advocate it is because I am really 50/50 on it. I also already have another main suspect in mind. I usually like to have something to work with as far as night actions go and there's absolutely nothing here.

[Kris]

Unvote: Callahan

I said that if I could be convinced to back off of my vote, that I would do so... and a combination of JamesV and Dynamo has done exactly that. Although please, Dynamo-- explain to me how I'm driving a bandwagon when I simply saw the points made by L-1 and Noble and acted accordingly.

[Kris]

EBWOP: That does not mean that Callahan is off the hook entirely, obviously.

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 5, 2012 20:09:41 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

^

See? Game flowing. I told you. I made aggressive posts because I'm new and want to feel like I'm contributing something. Maybe I was a little overzealous. And I'm concerned that after I pick up on you being aggressive you're now turning your attentions to me. Radiates scum. And with Farquhar jumping to your aid so quickly it raises more questions.

Curiosity may kill this kitty, but I'll be damned if I don't remain inquisitive in a game like this.

This post has overlyaggressive noob written all over it. At least he is playing instead of sitting around doing nothing. He's already been more active then most players in this game. However a little advice for Callahan. Don't alienate the entire player list. That'll only get you lynched quickly. In my opinion this entire Bacon/Callahan scenario is a red herring to get the heat away from the real scummers. I think they want an easy lynch on a noob and this was the perfect way to do it. Not buying it. I think Bacon is town and this is being done to get he attention away from other players hence my vote on Metro who is pushing hard for this. Callahan, calm the hell down. Read through the posts and catch up instead of starting arguments. That's the best advice I have for you.

[Kid Dynamo]

Kris

This is probably another victim of circumstance. The vote pattern I remembered was Metro then you then Noble playing the "makes sense" card. After scrubbing both Calla-Bacon and Metro, I didn't go back and double-check that.

If you were going "makes sense", and I'm assuming your unvote indicates just that, then I apologize. I know it seems like i'm singling you out, but so far I hope you can respect a vote of coincidence.

[Kris]

The order went Metro/Noble/me, if you'll read back. And honestly, how you keep pinning falsehoods on me (first my 'inactivity', and now this) does suggest you are trying to single me out. Just please, from now on?

Doublecheck, doublecheck, doublecheck.

[Blade]

Ando Masahashi: You came from the future and told them to save the cheerleader. Oh, and you had a sword.
Hiro Nakamura: I had a sword?

Vote Count


2 - Michael Callahan [Captain metro, Noble]
1 - T-marv [Level One]
2 - Captain Metro [Dynamo, JamesV]


Not Voting
[CJ, Hometown Heroes, Matt Slater, Johnny Rebel, Biggs, Atkens, Michael Callahan, President Jeff, T-Marv, Kris, Farquhar]


With 16 alive its 9 to lynch

Deadline Tuesday 7th February @ 1PM EST (roughly 31 hours)

[Michael Callahan]

Having assessed the last two nights worth of arguing, I too have come to the conclusion that Metro is scum. Natch, I'm not going to sit back and let someone vote against me and call me out as scum while acting like an incredibly shifty character himself. Seems much too convenient.

Vote: Captain metro

[Jules]

So we've gone from one bandwagon based on inconclusive evidence and shifty reasoning to another with a little bit better reasoning, but equally inconclusive evidence.

Hmmm.....

[T-Marv]

Sorry about my absense... big day yesterday. I'm back now, getting caught up on everything.

glad to see peter picked a new target.

[Kid Dynamo]

@farq

I'll take the hit for the "lack of evidence". In my head, I understand how targeting Calla-Bacon was scum, but I really didn't express that last time, so let me try.

The $64,000 question is why in the night phase, a white label killed Knuckles and there was nary a sign of a red label (i.e. Scum)

While there was much hypothesizing, especially about the "inactive godfather", suddenly Metro casts the first legitimate stone (your test vote on Jeff notwithstanding) and fervently attacks Calla-Bacon for no reason (as you noted).

My reasoning is that Metro knows the answers to this question. Metro knows how the white labels knew Knuckles was a lie detector, and since we don't understand the white role but know it isn't town, I'd support lynching someone who appears very strongly as non-town.

To that effect, we should take with even greater grains of salt, when a person alleges they aren't scum. The white label has to be considered just as evil until/unless they start offing red labels.

[Kid Dynamo]

I appreciate Farq coming forward. I am secure enough in my analysis of the situation to be willing to defend it. I know if i can convince the voices of reason that have played smart so far, we might just lynch a scum today, but if I'm wrong, and someone knows that for sure, there's still time to make it right.

[C.J. Gates]

The Metro lynch does seem like the better of the two between he and Callahan. There's still this nagging feeling that we're watching two townies go at it, though after reading what has been laid out, Metro is acting kind of odd (though truly, if anyone else was in his position and retracted his vote, he'd be called out for flip-flopping after being so sure on his feeling)

Vote: Metro

I am still suspect of Hometown Heroes, simply because of the post made after Kurt asked for their opinion (Double H and Dynamo). Double H basically just said "yeah what Dynamo said", to kind of cast off any possible blame from herself.

[T-Marv]

I just realized that I've been saying the Peter Petreli is the vote stealer... It's nathan Patreli...Peter's brother. I slipped up when saying that, hoping to clear that up bit.

[Kurt]

Feb 6, 2012 17:21:35 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

I just realized that I've been saying the Peter Petreli is the vote stealer... It's nathan Patreli...Peter's brother. I slipped up when saying that, hoping to clear that up bit.

Character-wise, that doesn't really make sense. Peter has the power to borrow/copy the ability the others, which might translate to the vote controlling. Nathan could just fly.

Question that I forgot...how did you find out that name anyway?

More of my thoughts later after my RP is up.

[C.J. Gates]

I asked Terry Marvin that two posts ago and heard nothing. I'd be interested to hear his thoughts..

Unvote

For no reason other then I don't want a lynch to happen before Marvin kind of fills us in on how he knows who the vote stealer and protector/doctor are character wise.

[Level-Two]

For no reason other then I don't want a lynch to happen before Marvin kind of fills us in on how he knows who the vote stealer and protector/doctor are character wise.

Isn't it already obvious? He knows the characters that he comes in contact with. The vote stealer took his vote; so with his role he found out who it was.

[Michael Jennings]

My question is where is everyone? Seems like half the players disappeared in this game. As far as the TMarv situation goes I think TMarv knows who the vote stealer is for sure just like how whomever Hiro is probably knows who the kidnapper is.

[Hometown Heroes]

well whoever the doctor/protector could have protected someone from been killed could explain why no mafia kill happen but a scum one.... but can there be two killing in one night?

[Johnny Rebel]

If there was a protection of some kind than it would have been added in the write-up, wouldn't it?

[Hometown Heroes]

I guess so. I just was thinking about that since CJ brought up about a protector/doctor.

[Matt Slater]

I'm kind of intrigued by Callahan jumping straight in and getting his voice heard immediately after replacing Bacon, a positive really given Bacon's silence beforehand, but this could also be due to the role that he's taken over.

But I must say I'm rather inclined to agree with some of you on the Captain Metro situation. His methods do come off as scummie to me ... or perhaps he knows something we don't know regarding Callahan?

If Dynamo is correct about Metro possibly being part of this white party - if there is one - then we really need to know what their allegiance is; if they're doing it for themselves, or if they are bound to town or scum.

Still, I'm going to bite and go with a little test here.

Vote: Captain Metro

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 6, 2012 22:54:19 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

If there was a protection of some kind than it would have been added in the write-up, wouldn't it?

Only if it effected something in the write-up i.e. prevented a kill or deflected a roleblock.

[Kurt]

Feb 6, 2012 22:52:24 GMT -4 Hometown Heroes said:

well whoever the doctor/protector could have protected someone from been killed could explain why no mafia kill happen but a scum one.... but can there be two killing in one night?

Possibly, I guess. A hitman wouldn't be affected by a doctor protection, assuming Blade is playing by that format. Plus, Tmarv has already alleged that he was protected last night. He would know if he was targeted by the mafia.

I'm still suspicious of Callahan, considering he basically voted for Metro for the same reason Metro voted him. However, I don't see the lynch going for him. Like L1, I'm not gonna full-scale push the lynch because all the evidence is circumstantial. I guess we basically just wait and see if the vote shifts towards Metro before the deadline and then await the reaction.

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 6, 2012 23:21:03 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Feb 6, 2012 22:52:24 GMT -4 Hometown Heroes said:

well whoever the doctor/protector could have protected someone from been killed could explain why no mafia kill happen but a scum one.... but can there be two killing in one night?

Possibly, I guess. A hitman wouldn't be affected by a doctor protection, assuming Blade is playing by that format. Plus, Tmarv has already alleged that he was protected last night. He would know if he was targeted by the mafia.

I'm still suspicious of Callahan, considering he basically voted for Metro for the same reason Metro voted him. However, I don't see the lynch going for him. Like L1, I'm not gonna full-scale push the lynch because all the evidence is circumstantial. I guess we basically just wait and see if the vote shifts towards Metro before the deadline and then await the reaction.

Right now, going by this, I'm starting to suspect that you are aligned in some way with Metro. Waiting to see how a voting wagons shifts is suspicious as hell. I think you have ulterior motives as it relates to this entire scenario going by the bolded portion of the quoted post above. I think the scum team is stalling the game out on purpose. Both Metro and Jeff have been online today but haven't posted in the game thread. Mind you I called them both out and they both have been quiet since then. You posting this puts you right up there with those two on my suspects list.

[Kurt]

Feb 6, 2012 23:57:39 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Feb 6, 2012 23:21:03 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Possibly, I guess. A hitman wouldn't be affected by a doctor protection, assuming Blade is playing by that format. Plus, Tmarv has already alleged that he was protected last night. He would know if he was targeted by the mafia.

I'm still suspicious of Callahan, considering he basically voted for Metro for the same reason Metro voted him. However, I don't see the lynch going for him. Like L1, I'm not gonna full-scale push the lynch because all the evidence is circumstantial. I guess we basically just wait and see if the vote shifts towards Metro before the deadline and then await the reaction.

Right now, going by this, I'm starting to suspect that you are aligned in some way with Metro. Waiting to see how a voting wagons shifts is suspicious as hell. I think you have ulterior motives as it relates to this entire scenario going by the bolded portion of the quoted post above. I think the scum team is stalling the game out on purpose. Both Metro and Jeff have been online today but haven't posted in the game thread. Mind you I called them both out and they both have been quiet since then. You posting this puts you right up there with those two on my suspects list.

Oh please.

If I jumped on this bandwagon without posting anything more than "yeah, sounds good guys!" I'd be accused of just being lynch-hungry and hopping without any real reason. I didn't try and stall anything...let me remind you that I actually placed a vote on Callahan before any serious votes on Metro emerged. I was trying to actually get the ball rolling on a lead that's obviously going to still be an issue later on without new information being posted.

Your finger pointing is getting a little out of hand. You've laid suspicion on me, Metro (who I'm not necessarily disagreeing about, but not certain enough to even place a vote on), Dynamo, Jeff, inactives, and the "some of the APW aplex players" alone in this day phase. I don't even think you're scum, but you're throwing a Hell of a lot of punches this day phase. I know you're an aggressive player, but you're argument against me doesn't make sense right now.

I just fail to see how Metro/Jeff not posting today links me to them...when I've actively posted this day phase and done my best to actually move the game forward.

[T-Marv]

I just KNOW the vote stealer is nathan. Because Nathan visited me, stole my vote, therefore I know what he did. REMEMBER, Nathan is also a politician...which could lead to vote stealing.

I also know that NICKI is the protector because they visited me last night. I know your character and power when you visit me at night. And when Mafia visits me to kill me tonight... i'll know your character/power as well

I didn't say it made sense Noble...Im just saying that it is fact...