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Post by Phil Atken on Mar 15, 2012 18:31:14 GMT -4
Oh I'm not saying I rolecopped.
I'm saying my ability allows me to know and use the roles for a one shot. I used it N1 on Callahan. You know the bus driven night! Hooray! No point in using the ability to be a paranoid cop however.
I am also now bluntly saying that N2 I used it on Bailey. Turned out he was one of 'em journalism types.
Journalism, that's a skill a guy can use! N3 I decided to journalise on your buttocks due to your low profile play this game. I got the PM informing me that you, L-1, were successful is killing that Blade gentleman.
Tried to just double check Knuckles roleblocking ways N4 but obviously Sally messed with that in some way.
Hooray, a full accounting of everything I did!
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Post by Phil Atken on Mar 15, 2012 18:32:17 GMT -4
I'd like to hear Rebel's investigation history too.
I'd also like to hear what Bailey has gleaned.
So yeah, I'd like to hear from Bailey and Rebel.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 15, 2012 18:41:31 GMT -4
Minutes before...
Keep speaking that truth, bro.
So, after denying jack of trades... you're a jack of trades. Okay, be sure to keep going now...
I'll wait to hear about this and what he has to say about who he used his role on last night. Nonetheless, you being able to use TOWN ALIGNED ROLES sure sounds like scum to me.
I'm pretty sure your lie has been beat by a dead horse. If they believe it, so be it.
Sounds suspect to me. Here Knuckles is saying I ''doubted him'' but at the same time, it doesn't seem like he's worried about you ''double checking him'' with a freaking power role when he's clearly the most pro town player in the game.
And nice way to use Sally as your out from my role blocking comments... unfortunately, I caught her slipping on her role. WHOOPS!
LOL, I'm done with you. We'll see what other info comes out.
Hooray, a full accounting of everything I did![/quote]
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Post by Phil Atken on Mar 15, 2012 18:46:47 GMT -4
Because I was creating a case for you that would actually have been more valid for you than the nonsense you've spouted about me being a framer jack of all trades. I mean given the information I've shared so far it'd be easy to say I was a scum role cop not some kind of multiple action framer and information man that you're trying to put forth. In a sense, I was mocking you, not claiming. Claiming would be silly what with the rules on roleclaiming in dis game.
JoaT implies some has pre-assigned actions they can take at night. None of my actions are pre-assigned. I would go into more detail but I'm not sure what's role claiming and what isn't and I'm kinda cautious that your ploy right now is to get my mod-killed.
Good to know you're done with me. We can get on to the lynching you business right about now then!
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 15, 2012 19:00:07 GMT -4
I've seen enough. At this point, and per my previous post, I have to pick either Level One of Atken to vote.
Vote: Level-One
Atken, my friend, you are hopefully aware that you are toast, dead meat, fish food, and otherwise highly and exceedingly doomed if Lester flips town.
That said, I believe you more than I believe him, so he gets the vote.
Frankly, I reached this conclusion a page or so ago, but the conversation was fast moving so I let it play out, and everything since makes me more and more confident.
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Post by Kurt on Mar 15, 2012 19:17:26 GMT -4
Vote Count: Level One – 3 (Knuckles, Atken, Kaji) Phil Atken – 1 (L1) Not Voting: Jeff, Farquhar, Tmarv, Sally, Bailey, Rebel, Gates Day 5 will end at 2 PM EST on March 18th (67 hours). With 11 alive, you need 6 votes for a lynch.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 15, 2012 19:24:43 GMT -4
y hasnt FARQ not posted here by now? i no he's been on
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 15, 2012 19:28:24 GMT -4
WAIT!
Before you all lynch me and make a mistake; this isn't just me vs. Kaji. At least wait to see what Sally has to say. I'm 90% sure they're working together. I'm 100% at least ONE of them is scum.
Sally was LYING about her role. Until she can offer an explanation for it... why the hell are we voting to lynch me?
There's still like two + days left on the clock.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 15, 2012 19:29:24 GMT -4
EWOP
Me vs. Atkens...
I don't need anymore enemies as it is, LOL.
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Post by Jules on Mar 15, 2012 19:44:48 GMT -4
y hasnt FARQ not posted here by now? i no he's been on I posted my night info at the start of the day, I haven't posted since because I have nothing new to add and I've been stewing over the whole L1 vs Atken battle. Right now, I'm holding out my vote because with all the to-ing and fro-ing the waters have become muddied somewhat, although I agree with the consensus that one of either L1 or Atken are scum. I said at the start of the day I was willing to take Atken's info against L1 on good faith, but needed some corroboration. Since then we've had nothing but confusion because of various contradictory accounts. Neither L1's or Atken's arguments convince completely and whichever one of them is the scum has done a fine job of making a right mess of the situation. I want to hear more from Rebel about why he has cleared L1 so decisively, and there are still a number of players who haven't checked in, who may be in possession of some decisive info. It's still very early in the day and the last thing I want to do is be part of a mislynch. |
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 15, 2012 19:53:36 GMT -4
Here's how day three (Callahan lynch day) went for me.
Suspicion about Callahan, Sally wanted to wait.
I decided to wait.
Blade threw a FoS on me (I don't blame him for this).
I went to bed.
I got up, saw a maelstrom of activity from overnight. I didn't have time to read through it all, but I gleaned some intense detective work was done by the players overseas.
I went to work.
I got home.
Callahan was lynched.
That whole thing where you caught Sally in a lie about her role or something, which I presume happened day three because day four was "VARGA IS THE ARSONIST, KILL KILL KILL," blew right by me, and I have not bothered to catch up because I assumed the important information to glean was that it had been Callahan all along and I should have pushed harder for his lynch in the first place.
I read very slowly and I'm already on the cusp of being left behind with just you and Atken shooting it out, a major reason why I'm not going back to go review day three because then I'd just be even more confused, so unless you want to sum up the "Sally is lying about her role" with some quote boxes and explanation that won't get you assaulted by the others involved (Atken excluded...he's gonna' jump on you regardless), all I've got to go on is what's happened today, and today you look like scum.
I'm not smart. I have to keep this shit simple.
Lester looks suspicious. Atken's leading the charge.
If Lester flips town, Atken goes next.
There are way more townies than mafia at this point, even with the recruit. I estimate four anti-townies at the start (three mafia, one third party), which would be made five with the recruitment, four with Callahan's lynch, three with Varga's lynch. 8 of 11 is a really good ratio for day five in my experience, and it's because Varga never ignited. Without that mass loss of townies, the mafia is up against a wall, and either you or Atken are fighting really damn hard to try and stop the bleeding.
If it's you, we lynch you, we potentially lose a townie in the night, we start day six with two scum and seven townies.
If it's Atken and we lynch you, and we lose a townie in the night, day six starts with three scum and six townies. That looks like shit next to if you're scum, but is still maddeningly good odds for day six, especially considering we'd lynch Atken (who in my reasoning, would be scum if you flip town), lose a townie (maybe...mafia's really not had good luck with this this game) night six, and start day seven with two scum and five townies.
The only way we're really screwed is if both you and Atken are town, but if you were, why are you fighting so hard? Yes, you are near lynched, but Atken has no reason to be drilling you so hard if he's not either mafia or 100% sure you are mafia.
TL;DR
I don't know what the fuck the point of this post is actually. Hashing this out for myself to try and keep from losing my fucking mind, I guess.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 15, 2012 19:54:18 GMT -4
EBWOP: This was in response to Lester's post after the vote count.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 15, 2012 20:00:26 GMT -4
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Damn right I'm fighting hard. Although, JamesV was an arsonist... look how fast he was lynched when someone was thought to have fool proof, evidence. I need to make my case while I'm still here... not when I'm sleeping.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 15, 2012 20:04:01 GMT -4
EWOP:
I mistakenly modified that post that I quoted above, when I went back to the page it was on to post it again for everyone to see.
Though, the post I made is STILL there in full... just with the added response to Kaji. I'm not trying to break the rules here. My mistake.
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Post by SalTal on Mar 15, 2012 22:43:41 GMT -4
I wasn't much convinced either way until you said I'm lying. I'm not. My role is exactly what you described it as on page 11. I haven't said anything that's contradicted it. If I haven't said anything about the specifics it's because of the nature of it and claiming.
I know you're lying about me.
Vote: Level-One
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 15, 2012 23:17:18 GMT -4
I wasn't much convinced either way until you said I'm lying. I'm not. My role is exactly what you described it as on page 11. I haven't said anything that's contradicted it. If I haven't said anything about the specifics it's because of the nature of it and claiming. I know you're lying about me. Vote: Level-OneOh, wow. I'm actually surprised you didn't even try to bullshit your way out of this one. You got, got. How did you get a guilty read on me on night one if your role was EXACTLY what you said it was on page eleven and illustrated above? Come on guys. If nobody see's this for what it is then... oh well. I probably already spent more time on this then it's worth. Unvote: Phil AtkenVote: Sally Talfourd |
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Post by Anthony Bailey on Mar 15, 2012 23:44:35 GMT -4
Atken is right, I'm not scum. And last night I went to investigate Level-One but I was roleblocked.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Mar 16, 2012 0:04:57 GMT -4
So Level One and Bailey were roleblocked, while Atken got an inconclusive (or was it just no result in general) on Knuckles?
I'm curious as to why Knuckles gave Atken that result though, since we know Knuckles is the roleblocker. Just seems like Atken would have gotten an actual result since he wasn't roleblocked. The only other person I remember giving inconclusive results was the Godfather, Callahan. (of course, this is assuming it was inconclusive and not just a no result).
From what I've skimmed, Atken has Level One out to be the killer, while Rebel has cleared Level One as innocent (I'm personally going with the assumption that there wouldn't be two paranoid cops in a game, even in a game like this). But Atken isn't buying that because he feels that everyone's results are going to be unreliable as opposed to his one shot journalism role which could very well have been a pm sent to Atken from Noble that he is passing off as Level Ones? And no one has checked out Atken?
I'm not saying I'm giving Level One the pass here, but I'm going to go back and re-read the last few pages to make sure that he's the right one to be lynching.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 16, 2012 0:09:28 GMT -4
I was reading it as it happened, and while I don't claim Atken's argument is fool proof, if the last few pages is what we're basing votes off of, I'm voting Level One.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 16, 2012 0:16:19 GMT -4
Okay, so I was roleblocked.
Phil Atken says he was roleblocked but Sally says he wasn't; she doesn';t actually say how he wasn't roleblocked but apparently she's the only person in this game that doesn't have to explain herself.
Bailey says he was roleblocked. So... then there are TWO roleblockers in this game. Either the town...
A) Believes I am scum and I had my scum team roleblock Bailey (earlier today it was Phil Atken) instead of Knuckles who was openly known as the role blocker.
B) There's TWO town aligned roleblockers who instead of roleblocking me; decided to roleblock Bailey (logic 101)
C)There's a scum roleblocker... AND I AM NOT THEIR SCUM BUDDY!
Which one of those is MOST logical? If you answered C, you're not an idiots. Congratulations!
I leave you with that. I need to go to bed. I expect I'll be lynched when I wake up in the morning, but I beg all voters to consider these points and see this for what it is.
As for who you should vote for... Sally is clearly scum. She was CAUGHT lying about her role. No bones about it. Didn't even offer any explanation or clarification to what I said.
If I did that to Atkens, I'd be lynched already. Why the double standard?
Sally's claimed a ''medium/nexus'' role. Where if she used her role on me night one and I was guilty; someone would have had to investigate her night two and she would appear as guilty, thus making me guilty. However, no second party has EVER even HINTED at investigating Sally-- thus it's IMPOSSIBLE for her to get a scum read on me. Yet, Sally slipped up and said she got a scum read on me.
This was also at the same time Sally told the cops in this game to investigate her because she was going to use her role to bypass Callahan's inconclusive night results when it was thought he couldn't be investigated.
- Sally also said she didn't think I was scum on day two.
- Today, just hours ago she said she didn't know if I was scum ''either way'' but again-- said she got a scum read on me night one.
I understand the entire thing with Atkens is confusing partly because I lost my cool and got emotional... but this is a clear cut lie ANYONE (except her scum buddies) can see through no matter what your role is.
That's my final case for tonight. Make of it as you will.
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Post by SalTal on Mar 16, 2012 0:40:22 GMT -4
Never says I had a reading on you. You tell me where I said it? As an aside, I'm posting from my phone. It's not exactly great to type copious amounts on. I've only used my role on Callahan, and Knuckles twice. There's a reason I did it to them and it wasn't to cover my ass. If Level-One doesn't look more guilty now then ever, just look at his recent activity. Goes after Atken, but Atken defends himself well. Momentum turns against Level-One so he turns to me, someone who he hasn't grilled to the n'th degree and can buy more time. He'll keep doing it to get to the night phase and survive some more. If anyone has serious questions about my activity I'll explain them within the next hour. After that, I'm out for the night and will be back Saturday. All the extra information I have is this: - I got a note two nights ago relating to CJ and his night activity. He confirmed this during the day phase we lynched JamesV - Any reading on me over the previous nights is indicative of my original alignment (Night 1 - Town), Callahan (Night 2 - Scum), Knuckles (Night 3 and 4 -  ). - Any reading anyone gets on me tonight - assuming they are a legit cop - will, again, be a mirroring of Knuckles. |
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Post by Reaver on Mar 16, 2012 1:04:32 GMT -4
y r u mirroring me when its obviously proven that im town?
this is how i see it, if L-O comes up town, then we lynch Atken
if we lynch Atken and he comes up town, then we lynch Sally.
since we still outnumber the scum (according to Kaji's logic) then we still have the advantage and im ok with that.
i do wanna point out tho that Rebel STILL hasnt explained himself nor has he done so since this game has started. and Farq, the reason i mention u is that ur a real smart guy and to have somebody like u being more active in this game would be a big benefit.
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Post by SalTal on Mar 16, 2012 1:25:30 GMT -4
There's a good chance you're still alive because of me Knuckles.
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Post by SalTal on Mar 16, 2012 1:32:52 GMT -4
And that's a terrible idea Kunckles. You're committing you and a little posse to vote out, at least, two townies and completely disregard any information that comes around the next few nights.
Great idea buddy ... *rolls eyes*
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Post by Reaver on Mar 16, 2012 1:40:04 GMT -4
And that's a terrible idea Kunckles. You're committing you and a little posse to vote out, at least, two townies and completely disregard any information that comes around the next few nights. Great idea buddy ... *rolls eyes* this really isnt helping ur case sally... |
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Post by SalTal on Mar 16, 2012 1:52:06 GMT -4
Because I pointed out your ridicuous idea or that you used about zero logic in your proposal?
I'm not hoping that you become my BFF Knuckles, I'm playing to weed out the scum. If your ego is hurt because someone pointed out that you came up with stupid idea, then you'd best get over it. Thinking I'm scum is as good as thinking you're scum yourself.
I was helping out on the lunch on Callahan. I helped put with the lunch on JamesV. I've managed to guarantee that you've survived to this day from the moment you outed yourself as the roleblocker and you (and others) made it very clear you would need some sort of night action protection.
Do I come out and brag about this? Of course not! I don't want attention on you and I certainly don't want attention on me. I guess that's blown now that I've got Level- One accusing me and trying to divert attention to me off of him, and now your trying to threaten me with some pseudo-obnoxious threat that you'll lynch me because I dared to criticise a really dumb idea.
Your initial reaction was correct: Lynch Level-One. That was very smart because we had an arguable case with evidence from night actions to go against him. No one has done anything to me except twist my words - and that was Level-One when he was being accused. He has lied about what I have said for most of his rants against me and completely misrepresented my words on thr other half. You can go back (and I would strongly suggest you go back up when anyone mentioned the night kill attempt on Bacon that failed and see what I kept saying) and put 2 and 2 together.
/knucklesrant
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Post by SalTal on Mar 16, 2012 1:53:19 GMT -4
Ok, I thinks it's slightly humourus but my auto-correct changes 'lynch' to 'lunch'. Sorry about the problem.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 16, 2012 2:02:14 GMT -4
Ok, I thinks it's slightly humourus but my auto-correct changes 'lynch' to 'lunch'. Sorry about the problem. i noticed that too, ya had me ROLLIN' do i really look like a guy who gets butt hurt over anything? do i really give off that vibe? wow...... anyways, if my vote is still for L-O (and i dont plan on changing it) and the plan is to lynch him AND ur 100% sure he is scum, then y all that? all i asked was y would u have the need to mirror me to find out my alliance when its pretty obvious? |
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Post by President Jeff on Mar 16, 2012 6:07:45 GMT -4
I'm surprised that Rebel still hasn't said anything after saying Level One is innocent. Almost makes me think that Level One told Rebel to not say anything. I'm getting scum vibes from Rebel.
Anyways, Level One hasn't convinced me otherwise
Vote: Level One
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Post by Phil Atken on Mar 16, 2012 7:19:19 GMT -4
From what I've skimmed, Atken has Level One out to be the killer, while Rebel has cleared Level One as innocent (I'm personally going with the assumption that there wouldn't be two paranoid cops in a game, even in a game like this). But Atken isn't buying that because he feels that everyone's results are going to be unreliable as opposed to his one shot journalism role which could very well have been a pm sent to Atken from Noble that he is passing off as Level Ones? And no one has checked out Atken? I'm not saying I'm giving Level One the pass here, but I'm going to go back and re-read the last few pages to make sure that he's the right one to be lynching. Why would I decide to blurt out I had a successful kill if I was scum? Why would I know there was another journalist in the game with the same power, who has now posted to confirm that he is indeed a journalist. There's literally no reason for me to do what I did if I was scum. To back that up, Knuckles also said that he had roleblocked L-1 and again, the result of the night was no kill. Bailey, are you sure you were roleblocked, not that L-1 got a PM saying he was roleblocked last night? Remember the role shows you the PMs your target gets. |
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