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Post by Anthony Bailey on Mar 11, 2012 14:50:42 GMT -4
I have been quiet but I have been around. I'm not sure who to vote for on Day 3. A lot of uncertainty is keeping me from voting...
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 11, 2012 16:23:24 GMT -4
no one visited Knuckles last night.
Farq visited L1 on night 1....
There's my info.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Mar 11, 2012 17:55:57 GMT -4
I've been quiet and I've not been around. I've been out all weekend and have only just got home now. I'll have something to say tomorrow as right now I've just got in, I'm exhausted and I want to go to bed.
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Post by President Jeff on Mar 11, 2012 18:23:08 GMT -4
So is there anything definitive that we can say about either of them? Jeff has since posted (I think) after being accused and he didn't even react about it at all. Personally, I would say they are both town. What knuckles is claiming he has done, checks out with me. And because of that, it makes Jeff NOT the arsonist, but it doesn't rule him out as scum I can guarantee everyone that I am not scum, however, Investigating me will indicate otherwise |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Mar 11, 2012 18:28:44 GMT -4
As far as Callahan goes, I'm willing to hold off a vote on him, per Sally's request of investigating her. Can I just redraw attention back to Knuckle who claims he has the Godfather pin-pointed. Could we get that resolved at the same time, as I would think that that's something we should be working on too? He doesn't. He thought he did and it was Jeff, but it isn't I don't mean to go back to this but I want to just make sure I'm up to speed with it. Knuckles says that he blocked Jeff night one, but Blade, you say he didn't do that, and per the night one write up there was a doctor protect (as was stated day two) of Phelps. Knuckles says he blocked Jeff again night 2. Per the night two write up, there was no bit about an attempted kill (since the first half was day two's end). Blade's claiming Knuckles didn't actually block Jeff night one, and Knuckles says he did it both nights...part of me is thinking that there might be something there with Jeff. Maybe I'm off with that, though, because it did seem odd that when Knuckles thought he had the GF dead on, he didn't place a vote on him... (prior to Blade telling him he was wrong). |
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Post by President Jeff on Mar 11, 2012 18:31:33 GMT -4
I wasn't blocked night one, I use my night action on myself on night one and it went through, which is why I know that if I am investiaged, I will come up guilty. however, I was roleblocked on Night 2
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Post by C.J. Gates on Mar 11, 2012 18:42:03 GMT -4
I wasn't blocked night one, I use my night action on myself on night one and it went through, which is why I know that if I am investiaged, I will come up guilty. however, I was roleblocked on Night 2 That's what I was looking for clarification on. Knuckles said he blocked you, but Blade said he didn't which is why you're action went through. He said he blocked you on night two (I believe) as well. There was a kill attempt night one when your action went through, and none on night two when he says he blocked you. Not pegging you down as scum 100% though, at least not right now. |
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Post by Reaver on Mar 11, 2012 18:48:31 GMT -4
like i said CJ, there was a reason i didnt put the vote on jeff. as long as i keep the block on him, then his NK's will be voided. im not entirely sure i believe blade as far as the nite 1 action cuz "my sources" told me that i was successful and jeff was blocked by me both nite 1 and 2.
if anything, my guess would be that somebody was able to "take his RB" kinda like a lightning rod sorta (if that makes sense) but with out the kill portion.
or
simply put, jeff is lying his ass off.
i really believe jeff is the GF and if u read the write up, ud see that it was woman's voice who stopped the nite kill. there's no character or role claiming allowed but it didnt say anything about gender claiming so therefore.....I WAS SAID WOMAN WHO YELLED OUT IN THE WRITE UP!!
i have a simple question tho, who can tell me who visited BACON on nite 1. im willing to bet that if we figure that out, then we will figure out our scum since he was PHELPS and "PHELPS" was the initial target for the nite 1 kill.
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Post by President Jeff on Mar 11, 2012 19:00:12 GMT -4
Knuckles, I can assure you, My night role on myself went though on night 1. Rather or not Kurt screwed up in the night 1 action results, and told me something he shouldn't have, its something he'll have to clairfy.
But like I said before, Investigaing me will give you a guilty verdict, however I am not scum. If I was scum, you really think I'd tell everyone that info if I was scum. You should be able to figure out my role now, which is why I used my role on myself on night 1.
Night 2 I used my role on Bailey, cause he was getting some lynch votes, but I got roleblocked
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 11, 2012 19:16:44 GMT -4
Knuckles, fucking stop and breath. If the mafia targeted Bacon night one, the kill didn't go through because HE WAS BULLETPROOF. Not because you blocked Jeff/someone other than Jeff if it got redirected somehow or someone else blocked the person who did the kill/protected him.
He was bulletproof. It said so in the damn write-up when he was modkilled. Get a new angle.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 11, 2012 19:41:20 GMT -4
ok now u listen....
READ THE WRITE UP....
yes he was bulletproof, but the reason the kill didnt go thru was cuz "of a woman's voice" not because they missed or cuz of his ability. if that were the case, he would of had some sort of vest on preventing the kill. but since the block went thru, he didnt need the "vest" or his ability to help him.
if im so wrong.....then y is it that jess has only posted 3 times since said action? not to mention that each post really wasnt all that convincing that he was anything BUT scum. u can take it or leave it but either way ill need some nite protection.
so far ive deduced that we have:
3 cops
1-2 rb's
1 watcher
1 tracker
1 doctor
2 vanilla
3 scum
1 arsonist
(left anyways) but this may not be acurate
y is it so hard to believe that im rite?
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 11, 2012 20:07:24 GMT -4
Why is it so hard to believe you're right?
Because you refuse to entertain alternatives to your theory.
Yeah, a woman yelled at Phelps to get down. In the flavor text.
Do you think Kurt's literally going to have Phelps get shot and have a vest on under his clothes or whatever? Clearly not, or it would have saved Phelps in the write-up where he got modkilled. A mod does not have to do a write-up that literally reflects what happened in game mechanics. If he did, Phelps would not have gotten modkilled by getting shot up, seeing as he's bulletproof, so he'd've offed himself or been struck by lightning or something.
And besides that, if you roleblocked the person that would have done the kill, wouldn't whoever your character is been interfering directly with the mafia rather than protecting Phelps? If anything, the action in the flavor text would indicate that Bacon got doctored.
AND
Since we can't character claim, why would Kurt write the scenes so that you could hint (or outright say) that we are X person from the write-ups. Since the person that cried out to warn Phelps has no name, you obviously can't be that person, whether your action was what prevented the kill or not.
Knuckles you are adhereing too closely to the flavor of the write-up. We can never rely on the flavor. All we can be sure of is what we see in green or red text at the end of posts when we see who died.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you you don't know what your role is, and the only thing I agree with you on is that you probably are going to need some night protection, but in a game with so many night actions flying around, how can YOU be so sure that there's no possible way that your action was redirected or that you are being deceived?
You've bleated for two days about how you successfully roleblocked someone you believed to be the godfather (which you later revealed to be Jeff), but when you told us Kurt said you were successful, all you said was just that; that your action was successful. He did not say "You successfully roleblocked Jeff," did he? That means it's possible you roleblocked someone other than Jeff.
Is it possible Jeff is the godfather? Yes. Is it possible Jeff is a miller, as he has hinted? Yes. Hell it's possible Jeff is the fucking recruiter or arsonist, we don't fucking know anything at this point, and you clinging to this flimsy thread that doesn't even lead anywhere isn't instilling me with much faith that you are doing the town any good, either.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 11, 2012 21:33:14 GMT -4
I wasn't blocked night one, I use my night action on myself on night one and it went through, which is why I know that if I am investiaged, I will come up guilty. however, I was roleblocked on Night 2 Are you claiming Miller? |
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Post by Reaver on Mar 11, 2012 21:45:39 GMT -4
if ur a miller jeff, u have no nite action. sounds suspect to me
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 11, 2012 21:50:58 GMT -4
If he's JUST miller he has no night action...but someone that's bulletproof has no action. Bacon wasn't JUST bulletproof, though, he had something else, as well. It's entirely possible Jeff is a miller AND something else.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 11, 2012 22:14:27 GMT -4
we seriously need to do something and pull together. does nobody else have any info?
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 11, 2012 22:37:11 GMT -4
if ur a miller jeff, u have no nite action. sounds suspect to me This is exactly why I asked about it. |
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 11, 2012 23:16:06 GMT -4
Personally, I'm not buying the whole "I'm A miller" claim, even though he didn't come right out and say it. It's such a safe claim for any mafio to make....Oh, you're going to get a wrong read on me BECAUSE.....etc. I'm just not buying it right now.
Farquhar.... I know you visited L1 night one, and L1 isn't dead so it leads me to believe that you are not the Hitman, but doesn't mean you're not the Roleblocker or some other hitman.
Also, is nobody talking about the fact that in the writeup, a townie turned Mafia? That is a HUGE problem folks.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 11, 2012 23:29:12 GMT -4
actually james n i talked about it briefly earlier in the day
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 11, 2012 23:33:02 GMT -4
It's been addressed, James, but I think we decided that Callahan's seeming immunity to investigation, as explained by Sally (I guess?) and the arsonist are bigger issues.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 12, 2012 0:00:26 GMT -4
well, lets address who was doused....
james
farq
so who can tell us who visited them? anybody?
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Mar 12, 2012 0:50:23 GMT -4
Well the arsonist can, but that'd be stupid.
Additionally, if "that source" that told me someone (since we're being forthcoming with info now, I may as well say who--Ceej visited me) visited me is a player with a role, rather than passive part of Ceej's role, then that person might, if they happen to catch the arsonist in the act...but that's a crap shoot, and I'm a little tired of crap shoots at the moment.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 12, 2012 1:10:42 GMT -4
Well, as far as other information goes I have nothing to offer as of now but I'm counting on my luck to change soon.
With that said based on the information today, I'm willing to put Callahan on the back burner shortly given Sally's recent explanation. However mainly because Pres. Jeff made quite the case for himself, today.
I'm sorry but I am not buying this at all. First of all this is the perfect scum cover; of course you would tell us all this because it covers your tracks. Secondly, how odd is it that you tell us this information day 3 when everyone starts role-hinting and it becomes clear that there are more cops in this game with investigative roles then usual and thus increasing the chances in finding scum?
It sounds like a good scum play because if someone investigated you this coming night phase and got a scum read on you, nobody would believe your miller claim after the fact. You aren't the arsonist but you sure as hell sound like scum trying to cover your tracks ahead of time.
Vote: Jeff
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 12, 2012 1:11:04 GMT -4
Well, as far as other information goes I have nothing to offer as of now but I'm counting on my luck to change soon.
With that said based on the information today, I'm willing to put Callahan on the back burner shortly given Sally's recent explanation. However mainly because Pres. Jeff made quite the case for himself, today.
I'm sorry but I am not buying this at all. First of all this is the perfect scum cover; of course you would tell us all this because it covers your tracks. Secondly, how odd is it that you tell us this information day 3 when everyone starts role-hinting and it becomes clear that there are more cops in this game with investigative roles then usual and thus increasing the chances in finding scum?
It sounds like a good scum play because if someone investigated you this coming night phase and got a scum read on you, nobody would believe your miller claim after the fact. You aren't the arsonist but you sure as hell sound like scum trying to cover your tracks ahead of time.
Vote: Jeff
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 12, 2012 1:15:00 GMT -4
EWOP: Sorry for the double post, my browser went to a blank page and I didn't think it was posted the first time. I'll delete one as soon as I get the okay.
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Post by Blade on Mar 12, 2012 3:46:57 GMT -4
Knuckles.
*I* did something on night 1 which I know for sure your roleblock worked but it didn't block Jeff. it blocked someone else, and that person has confirmed they were blocked.
So with people claiming they have been doused, you can count Callahan and Jeff as Not being the arsonist
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Post by SalTal on Mar 12, 2012 3:53:57 GMT -4
Ok, so there’s a lot of quoting going on in here on the basis that I have to answer to a fair few posts seeings how some players are putting weight in what I’m claiming. I want to clear up as much ambiguity as I possibly can. Just incase there is a mafia roleblocker out there, and they block Sally, then what? If you want a clear reading on Callahan, then I won’t be using my role tonight on the basis that it may change my alignment from Callahan’s. A roleblock on me tonight would, largely, be wasted. Well it seems to me like Sally's action tonight would be to just sit tight and do nothing, so the roleblocker wouldn't be able to do anything; they would have had to block her last night...or I guess the night before? This. This exactly. Let's do this. Sally. The way I read it, Callahan was the last person you used your ability on? Is this correct? Yes, that is correct. they would have had to block her last night...or I guess the night before? Definitely no one blocked me last night. I can absolutely promise you that. EBWOP: The reason for me sitting tight if Sally answers yes being that she can sit tight tonight, someone can investigate her, and get Callahan's read. Dunno if I made that clear. That is what I propose someone/multiple people do tonight. In regards to CJ’s post: per the night one write up there was a doctor protect We settled that it wasn’t a doctor protect. Plus, turns out that Bacon was bulletproof. Knuckles is claiming he was the ‘yeller’ in all that but isn’t suggesting he is a doctor. Now, reading previous posts, it looks like people are saying that it’s safe to claim a general role, ie. Miller. Let me ask this question first: What is the likelihood that there are multiple millers in a game? Because if Jeff is one I know for sure that there are multiple. As for throwing down votes, I agree that we should be looking to lynch someone now. There is a lot of information going around, and a lot of strange things happening. There is clearly a recruiter out there, and that has me scared. There may well be conditions attached to it that prevents them recruiting and doing other things, but it seems that they can recruit *and* douse people (preparing them for a kill). That’s dangerous, yeah? Unless it’s a limited recruiting capability (ie. X-shot). But that’s the big worry. But I can see an upside: It’s increased our chances of finding a scum with a blind-luck guess. I’m not scum, and I don’t believe Callahan is (though we’ll know by the end of the night). I’m assuming Knuckles isn’t scum because he’s got a night action that (while confusing as hell) seems more advantageous to the town. Jeff is like an insane cop or something (I doubt miller). They are the people I’m believing are safe towns. Bacon was town, but he’s dead. That accounts for 5 of the original 15. The people left are: Kaji, Farquhar, Level-One, JamesV, TMarv, Atken, Blade, Bailey, Rebel, CJ. Blade has a role, and his activity has largely been helpful to me (who is a town). So I’m settling that Blade is town for the sake of getting to a vote. This is where I’m really interested: Farq visited Level-One, but Level-One wasn’t doused. But we didn’t get a conversion from town to scum that night. So I’m thinking that Farq is town. Also, Farq is doused, which is a sure-fire (pun!) way of telling a town I imagine. Whatever his visit was, it didn’t tun up anything negative on Level-One, so I’m willing to assume that Level-One is a town too. On that same notion, JamesV was doused. So he should be town. CJ visited Kaji, but Kaji wasn’t doused. Kaji said that if he was visited he didn’t know. Ok, that’s reasonable, but it could also be a cover that he has been converted to scum. Also, Blade has visited him and seems to have caught him in a tangle. It’s cofusing as hell what’s happening here: Kaji is saying that CJ visited him and he knew about it, but previously said that he didn’t know if anyone visited him. Based on the notion that there is someone with the power to convert and that if CJ turns up scum and it is confirmed he can convert, Kaji should be the converted scum, that’s where my vote is going to go. Vote: CJ Gates.There are people unaccounted for (Rebel, Bailey, Atken) in my general run-through, but that’s because (again) I believe there is 5 scum. Kaji and CJ would round this out to 5. |
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Post by Jules on Mar 12, 2012 3:55:26 GMT -4
Farquhar.... I know you visited L1 night one, and L1 isn't dead so it leads me to believe that you are not the Hitman, but doesn't mean you're not the Roleblocker or some other hitman. It could just mean I am another town investigative role just as everyone else is hinting at. |
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Post by Jules on Mar 12, 2012 4:00:38 GMT -4
Farq visited Level-One, but Level-One wasn’t doused. But we didn’t get a conversion from town to scum that night. So I’m thinking that Farq is town. Also, Farq is doused, which is a sure-fire (pun!) way of telling a town I imagine. Whatever his visit was, it didn’t tun up anything negative on Level-One, so I’m willing to assume that Level-One is a town too. This. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Mar 12, 2012 4:35:52 GMT -4
So catching up, I have two question.
1.) What leads us to believe that the arsonist has links to the mafia at this time? Could we not be looking at a third party arsonist and the recruitment mafia?
2.) 5 scum Sally? That is ridiculously large for a game this size, especially if we have a recruiter. If we have a recruiter, the game would be over in a day or two if we started with five scum. Your theory also falls apart on people being doused as a sign of innocence if the arsonist works alone. Basically you have a lot of words for a deeply flawed post which I'm never keen on.
3.) Jeff's claim is perplexing to me but I think I understand what he was getting at. He said he investigated himself and it came up guilty but what's odd about that, given this is a cop game there's bound to be different cop sanities kicking about, so really Jeff, why would you investigate guilty to everyone else based on your own results?
4.) Ever since the heat on him day 1, Bailey seems to have taken a very low profile path in this game which is something I'm not particularly keen on.
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