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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 20, 2012 19:41:26 GMT -4
Well, that was the assumption...but only half of him got recruited if I understand the write up correctly, which would lead me to believe that they are two separate people?
If we have 12 left, then 7 to lynch can still be achieved. I think there are only 5 cult right now (Brian, Rachel, Shannon, Alisha and Rudy Wade's Emotional Side) so if we're at 12 there are still, assuming, 7 town (or at least 7 non-cult).
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Post by Kris on Apr 20, 2012 19:42:10 GMT -4
Wait... look at the edit. Looks like the unique situation's not present after all.
Huh.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 20, 2012 19:43:34 GMT -4
Well, that was the assumption...but only half of him got recruited if I understand the write up correctly, which would lead me to believe that they are two separate people? If we have 12 left, then 7 to lynch can still be achieved. I think there are only 5 cult right now (Brian, Rachel, Shannon, Alisha and Rudy Wade's Emotional Side) so if we're at 12 there are still, assuming, 7 town (or at least 7 non-cult). With Level One's edits, it would still work. 11 alive, 5 cult (I believe) means 6 town or 6 anti-cult. |
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 20, 2012 19:46:10 GMT -4
EBWOP again
Pretty certain we're at 11 which means that 6 votes would be needed.
So what this means is that Brian and the cult are NOT connected unless Rudy isn't the double-voter or there are two Rudy's in the game. I don't believe either of those however so I'll get to the main issue.
The cult have 5 votes, Brian has 1, the rest of the town with myself have 5.
The only way we can win this is cutting the head of the cult today and hoping Level had some clause that undoes the culting, we also now need to hope that Brian is willing to be a town-sided SK (unlikely) and aim for the cult.
The proverbial shit has indeed hit the fan.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 20, 2012 20:18:26 GMT -4
He cries out. That's when he looks up and see's Brian ''Monsieur Grand Fromage'' standing over his body with satisfaction drawn upon his face. Okay, this jumped out at me and could just be me pulling at straws. It might just be flavor, but...Monsieur Grand Fromage? Mr. Big Cheese? If it's not flavor, any chance that it could be an in game hint to try and steer the town toward something? I mean, Mr. Big Cheese would be President Jeff himself, wouldn't it? That is if it isn't flavor related and not a hint. |
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 20, 2012 20:28:06 GMT -4
He cries out. That's when he looks up and see's Brian ''Monsieur Grand Fromage'' standing over his body with satisfaction drawn upon his face. Okay, this jumped out at me and could just be me pulling at straws. It might just be flavor, but...Monsieur Grand Fromage? Mr. Big Cheese? If it's not flavor, any chance that it could be an in game hint to try and steer the town toward something? I mean, Mr. Big Cheese would be President Jeff himself, wouldn't it? That is if it isn't flavor related and not a hint. Brian is called that in the show. |
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Post by Kris on Apr 20, 2012 20:42:30 GMT -4
I noticed something... namely? The serial killer has yet to take out a member of the cult. It could be dumb luck, but is it possible that it isn't?
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 20, 2012 21:09:10 GMT -4
I noticed something... namely? The serial killer has yet to take out a member of the cult. It could be dumb luck, but is it possible that it isn't? If you assume Rudy hasn't got a double-vote then it is possible. If he does (I believe he does) then Brian cannot be a member of the cult since they'd have 6 votes, 6 votes is the magic number here so I can safely assume that Brian is not a member of the cult. Speaking of which I need to get round to relaying my info from last night. I couldn't get a result on Gates at all, no true or false because I couldn't "find" him. I think that makes him a certain member of the town but it could just be an ability block that Level put in. |
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Post by Kris on Apr 20, 2012 21:09:28 GMT -4
EBWOP: ...and that's what I get for not refreshing again. Clearly, I need more caffeine.
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Post by Kris on Apr 20, 2012 21:10:30 GMT -4
EBWOP: SON OF EDIT: I see. I'm not familiar with the source material to know if it would be likely or not.
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Post by President Jeff on Apr 20, 2012 21:16:02 GMT -4
He cries out. That's when he looks up and see's Brian ''Monsieur Grand Fromage'' standing over his body with satisfaction drawn upon his face. Okay, this jumped out at me and could just be me pulling at straws. It might just be flavor, but...Monsieur Grand Fromage? Mr. Big Cheese? If it's not flavor, any chance that it could be an in game hint to try and steer the town toward something? I mean, Mr. Big Cheese would be President Jeff himself, wouldn't it? That is if it isn't flavor related and not a hint. Its just you pulling at straws |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 20, 2012 21:44:55 GMT -4
The proverbial shit has indeed hit the fan. Of the 24 pages we have on this game already, this may be the most accurate statement to date. Terrible day; Blade did indeed flip town, and Sally got wiped out during the night. Looking at everything in hindsight, one thing sticks out like a sore thumb: The 'Knuckles bit blade' quote that sent all of us (self included) into a tizzy about 20 pages ago was at best well-meaning, but badly-obtained, information, and at worst an out-and-out lie by Kurt to frame Knuckles and Blade. I'd like an explanation on this from Kurt, although who knows if we're going to get it at this point? |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 20, 2012 21:54:47 GMT -4
Sorry guys I fucked up....
FOS: Keaton Saint
It was your info that led to Blade. You confirmed that Blade was in fact bit. I admit that I was hard on the lynch...it just all made sense to me, but unfortunately I fucked up and now the town is hurting....badly
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 20, 2012 22:09:44 GMT -4
Sorry guys I fucked up.... FOS: Keaton SaintIt was your info that led to Blade. You confirmed that Blade was in fact bit. I admit that I was hard on the lynch...it just all made sense to me, but unfortunately I fucked up and now the town is hurting....badly Yes, I confirmed it and I stand by that. The post-game thread will surely explain how it came to be but what I got was a definitive that could not be taken any other way. Blade was bitten, fact, end of story. The problem is none of us knew (or know) what the hell the bite actually meant, this also raises many concerns about the flavour within the night results as well. Blade was bitten and to my knowledge was the only person to be bitten, the night results from Level indicated that the bitten was the cult recruiter but that clearly hasn't been the case. That is the first instance where our information hasn't matched the night result explicitly. The other piece I can call out straight away is the whole thing with Rudy's dual personalities. From what I can gather we've had all the named roles already be named in the game so Rudy's regular side that wasn't recruited seems to be the extra member. Someone would have to verify that though. |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 20, 2012 22:25:14 GMT -4
The proverbial shit has indeed hit the fan. Of the 24 pages we have on this game already, this may be the most accurate statement to date. Terrible day; Blade did indeed flip town, and Sally got wiped out during the night. Looking at everything in hindsight, one thing sticks out like a sore thumb: The 'Knuckles bit blade' quote that sent all of us (self included) into a tizzy about 20 pages ago was at best well-meaning, but badly-obtained, information, and at worst an out-and-out lie by Kurt to frame Knuckles and Blade. I'd like an explanation on this from Kurt, although who knows if we're going to get it at this point? Let me preface this by saying that we've seen all 16 characters, and no Mafia has emerged, meaning a framer role isn't possible. A town member wouldn't have this role, which means my information was soundly obtained. I'm not sure how I could have "badly-obtained" it, but my information was correct on Day 3 (told you), so it's not that my ability is screwed up or anything of the sort. I don't have a proper explanation for you, but know that I tried to speculate that the bite had an unknown side effect yesterday by confirming Blade as the RBer. Couple of notes now... FoS: T-MarvTold you I wouldn't forget that you were on the lynches of two townies. In this scenario, "sorry guys, I played badly" isn't good enough. You're one of the few people that was on both lynches so far. I want to believe that you're the SK because of your lynch hungry attitude, but that brings me to my next point... I watched CJ last night...but was told I was unsuccessful. That's odd to me, and makes me think one of three things... 1. Investigations come up as vague on him to counteract a powerful ability CJ has. 2. Someone "shielded" him from being investigated (why would someone do that? If someone did, they need to speak up) 2. He's the SK. Need to hear from CJ on this one before I proceed. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 21, 2012 0:10:41 GMT -4
Okay, this jumped out at me and could just be me pulling at straws. It might just be flavor, but...Monsieur Grand Fromage? Mr. Big Cheese? If it's not flavor, any chance that it could be an in game hint to try and steer the town toward something? I mean, Mr. Big Cheese would be President Jeff himself, wouldn't it? That is if it isn't flavor related and not a hint. Its just you pulling at straws Yes. I don't watch the show so wasn't sure if it was a flavor add (which it is according to Saint) or a hint since the town has been failing hard. And to answer Kurt. The reason why you didn't get a result on me was because I used my role on you. I don't have a roleblock or anything, but your unsuccessful was because my action...well, in the effort of not saying something wrong and getting me modkilled, you basically checked yourself last night, Kurt. I couldn't explain Saint not being able to find me though. I will agree that there looks to be no mafia, though the whole SK thing still irks me. We've never had a big 3rd party presence in games around here, but for 3rd party does the color matter? Like Saint keeps saying that Brian isn't cult, which is possible, but he's the same color as Rachel and co....or is that just because he's not mafia and has to be the designated third party color? As for the bite...what if Blade WAS bitten, but when the biter, Shannon, got recruited, it made the whole bite thing null and void since she was no longer a zombie? If that makes sense, but it would make sense why Blade would get bitten, but still come up town if the whole zombie group died away when Shannon got recruited into the fold. I'm going to take a look back and try and narrow down some cult based on some possible clears. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 21, 2012 7:55:07 GMT -4
As for the bite...what if Blade WAS bitten, but when the biter, Shannon, got recruited, it made the whole bite thing null and void since she was no longer a zombie? If that makes sense, but it would make sense why Blade would get bitten, but still come up town if the whole zombie group died away when Shannon got recruited into the fold. And furthermore, would that mean whoever bit Blade (Knuckles or whoever it was) would be unable to bite anyone else since then? Or are there other instances of biting since Shannon was recruited? Furthermore, if we have concrete evidence that Person X (Knuckles or whoever it was) is Shannon, and therefore has been recruited into the purple gang, then wouldn't that be the absolute safest lynch we could do at this point? At this juncture, we NEED to execute scum. If we know the biter has been converted, and we know who the biter is, what the hell's taking us so long in wiping him/her out? |
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Post by Jules on Apr 21, 2012 8:03:21 GMT -4
Furthermore, if we have concrete evidence that Person X (Knuckles or whoever it was) is Shannon, and therefore has been recruited into the purple gang, then wouldn't that be the absolute safest lynch we could do at this point? At this juncture, we NEED to execute scum. If we know the biter has been converted, and we know who the biter is, what the hell's taking us so long in wiping him/her out? In a word, no. We need to cut the head off the cult, that means nailing the cult recruiter. Aside from this, the evidence for Knuckles being Shannon is far from concrete considering the sources who provided this info have been proven to either be misinformed, incorrect, or straight out lying. This is easily the scummiest post of the day so far. p.s. I hope I will have more to say about the state of play later; I need to try and work a few things out first. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 21, 2012 9:27:19 GMT -4
Furthermore, if we have concrete evidence that Person X (Knuckles or whoever it was) is Shannon, and therefore has been recruited into the purple gang, then wouldn't that be the absolute safest lynch we could do at this point? At this juncture, we NEED to execute scum. If we know the biter has been converted, and we know who the biter is, what the hell's taking us so long in wiping him/her out? This is easily the scummiest post of the day so far. It's only 9:30 AM Eastern, it's early yet! Don't read scum into that; forgive me for trying to give us a lead when everything we've done to this point has been detrimental to the game. While it's obviously best to go after the head of the cult, we have no idea who that is as of right now (although that could obviously change by the time this day is over). From my standpoint (one that's admittedly an inexperienced one), better to take out someone we know is scum than to swing for the fences, aim for the wrong guy that we think is the cult leader, and then have some combination of the following happen. - We mistakenly lynch a town member. - The cult recruits a town member. - Brian kills a town member. It's a doomsday scenario, admittedly, but given the way things have gone, would you really consider that out of the realm of possibility? |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 21, 2012 9:36:19 GMT -4
Its just you pulling at straws Yes. I don't watch the show so wasn't sure if it was a flavor add (which it is according to Saint) or a hint since the town has been failing hard. And to answer Kurt. The reason why you didn't get a result on me was because I used my role on you. I don't have a roleblock or anything, but your unsuccessful was because my action...well, in the effort of not saying something wrong and getting me modkilled, you basically checked yourself last night, Kurt. I couldn't explain Saint not being able to find me though. I will agree that there looks to be no mafia, though the whole SK thing still irks me. We've never had a big 3rd party presence in games around here, but for 3rd party does the color matter? Like Saint keeps saying that Brian isn't cult, which is possible, but he's the same color as Rachel and co....or is that just because he's not mafia and has to be the designated third party color? As for the bite...what if Blade WAS bitten, but when the biter, Shannon, got recruited, it made the whole bite thing null and void since she was no longer a zombie? If that makes sense, but it would make sense why Blade would get bitten, but still come up town if the whole zombie group died away when Shannon got recruited into the fold. I'm going to take a look back and try and narrow down some cult based on some possible clears. Little curious as to why you would use your ability on me, but that's your prerogative. Who else have you used your ability on? |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 21, 2012 9:40:50 GMT -4
To try and clear you? At the very least I can say that you aren't the cult recruiter or Brian, since both a kill and a recruit happened, though I can't say you weren't recruited. I also figured Knuckles would draw attention, and Saint was pegging me, and after the mislynch of Blade I thought I'd use it on you to see if I can clear you.
Previously, as I've stated a few times in the game, I tried to use it night one on Farq but got deflected and used it on Jeff, and then I used it on Terry night two but it didn't work.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 21, 2012 9:41:15 GMT -4
EWOP
Weren't recruited previously, that is.
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Post by Reaver on Apr 21, 2012 10:22:06 GMT -4
hey guys, sorry i been mia just dealin with this weekend which is AWESOME.
ill be gone again for another 8-ish hrs or so for the last day of the garden expo (after this post)
1 wat or another, i think kurt has opposition for mafia game of the yr. this game has been FUN but very confusing. nobody seems to have anything that would be considered concrete. does nobody have ANY evidence from the nite phase that can help us out?
@ac: seems very scummy. but i dont think u r. y all of a sudden u wanna try and role fish? wat was UR role?
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Post by Jules on Apr 21, 2012 10:46:34 GMT -4
This is easily the scummiest post of the day so far. It's only 9:30 AM Eastern, it's early yet! Don't read scum into that; forgive me for trying to give us a lead when everything we've done to this point has been detrimental to the game. While it's obviously best to go after the head of the cult, we have no idea who that is as of right now (although that could obviously change by the time this day is over). From my standpoint (one that's admittedly an inexperienced one), better to take out someone we know is scum than to swing for the fences, aim for the wrong guy that we think is the cult leader, and then have some combination of the following happen. This kind of thing just heightens my suspicions about you. But you're safe right now, I don't think you're the cult recruiter (based on the evidence of night actions), and I'm convinced C.J. is Brian. If you are scum, and don't take this the wrong way, you aren't that high on the list of priorities. We either need to find and take out the cult recruiter or the SK. I'd prefer the former, but will settle for the latter. |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 21, 2012 10:57:11 GMT -4
To try and clear you? At the very least I can say that you aren't the cult recruiter or Brian, since both a kill and a recruit happened, though I can't say you weren't recruited. I also figured Knuckles would draw attention, and Saint was pegging me, and after the mislynch of Blade I thought I'd use it on you to see if I can clear you. Previously, as I've stated a few times in the game, I tried to use it night one on Farq but got deflected and used it on Jeff, and then I used it on Terry night two but it didn't work. I don't know that I'm understanding your ability, or its usage. I appreciate the effort to clear me...I just wish I understood how exactly it did. If we're looking for the SK/Cult Recruiter, we have to believe that at least one of them was on Blade's lynch, possibly even pushing for it Day 2. He could have outed both of them, so they needed him gone. Blade's lynch consisted of: - Saint - AC Smith - T-Marv - Royce - Sally - CJ And Blade himself. Of course, we can cross off Sally and Blade. That leaves Saint, Smith, Marvin, Royce, and CJ. Any name sticking out on here? |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 21, 2012 11:16:30 GMT -4
@ac: seems very scummy. but i dont think u r. y all of a sudden u wanna try and role fish? wat was UR role? I think the people calling me out today are giving me way too much credit (with the exception of Crown Jules, and no offense taken to that comment, BTW). Without putting all my cards on the table, I have no central strategy other than to be as logical as possible from my standpoint as a first-time player. I'm intrigued that some of you guys think of this as scummy behavior. All I've done today, in the big picture, is say that we as a town have gotten our asses handed to us so far in this game (which we have) and that we need to lynch scum if we want to win this game. I haven't been shy about what's stood out to me (the claim of Knuckles biting Blade being the lynchpin in most of it), and I acknowledge that what I'm going off of may well be false information. If I was confident enough on it, I'd have voted already; hell, I was confident on Blade (erroneously so, I'd admit) and was one of the first to vote for him on day three. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 21, 2012 11:41:33 GMT -4
This kind of thing just heightens my suspicions about you. But you're safe right now, I don't think you're the cult recruiter (based on the evidence of night actions), and I'm convinced C.J. is Brian. If you are scum, and don't take this the wrong way, you aren't that high on the list of priorities. We either need to find and take out the cult recruiter or the SK. I'd prefer the former, but will settle for the latter. And you'd be wrong. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but if you're thinking that I am the SK then you are wrong and will always be wrong if you continue to think along those lines. I don't know how much detail I can go into my role, Kurt, but I can assure you that it's town (I can try and give you a hint at the end of the post that will hopefully help anyone who read the write ups to MAYBE understand...). What I can say is that, from that list of people on Blade's lynch, the names that stand out to me are Marvin, Royce and Smith, though there are other names out there like Rebel and Jeff that don't sit right with me. Saint isn't cleared (I don't think) and he is just as suspect as anyone, since it was his "TRUE" that led to Blade's lynch and then his claim that he couldn't find me last night to keep the ambiguity floating around me as to whether or not I am the SK. So, to put it bluntly, no one really jumps out at me, but based on that list you provided, they're all fishy to me. Even Knuckles is a bit suspect. One question to AC Smith: Who do you think is 100% anti-town? You keep saying we shouldn't go for anyone but someone we are 100% on, but you don't bring out a name as to who that would/could be. Cheers |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 21, 2012 12:14:55 GMT -4
This kind of thing just heightens my suspicions about you. But you're safe right now, I don't think you're the cult recruiter (based on the evidence of night actions), and I'm convinced C.J. is Brian. If you are scum, and don't take this the wrong way, you aren't that high on the list of priorities. We either need to find and take out the cult recruiter or the SK. I'd prefer the former, but will settle for the latter. And you'd be wrong. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but if you're thinking that I am the SK then you are wrong and will always be wrong if you continue to think along those lines. I don't know how much detail I can go into my role, Kurt, but I can assure you that it's town (I can try and give you a hint at the end of the post that will hopefully help anyone who read the write ups to MAYBE understand...). What I can say is that, from that list of people on Blade's lynch, the names that stand out to me are Marvin, Royce and Smith, though there are other names out there like Rebel and Jeff that don't sit right with me. Saint isn't cleared (I don't think) and he is just as suspect as anyone, since it was his "TRUE" that led to Blade's lynch and then his claim that he couldn't find me last night to keep the ambiguity floating around me as to whether or not I am the SK. So, to put it bluntly, no one really jumps out at me, but based on that list you provided, they're all fishy to me. Even Knuckles is a bit suspect. One question to AC Smith: Who do you think is 100% anti-town? You keep saying we shouldn't go for anyone but someone we are 100% on, but you don't bring out a name as to who that would/could be. CheersSo basically almost everyone else in the game is suspicious to you. I'm going to try and go back through the write-ups and see if I can find a clue to what you're saying (you don't need to say any more about your character). Hopefully I'll have an answer shortly. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 21, 2012 12:29:06 GMT -4
One question to AC Smith: Who do you think is 100% anti-town? You keep saying we shouldn't go for anyone but someone we are 100% on, but you don't bring out a name as to who that would/could be. CheersFYI, this will be my last post for the next five hours or so (working a men's lacrosse game). Anyway, to try and answer C.J.'s question as best I can: Based on the information I have right now, I'm not 100% convinced about anyone (cue the groans, flying tomatoes, and any other preferred way you have to show disapproval here). I was most of the way there about Knuckles, I'll admit, but the holes in Kurt's "Knuckles bit Blade" statement have been addressed already. We don't know for sure that he's 100% scum (at least, I don't). In fact, I don't think anyone's 100% sure about anyone else being scum at this point. Which bodes terribly for us, considering a no-lynch would be open season for Brian and the cult. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 21, 2012 12:33:54 GMT -4
Well yes, everyone is suspicious. As it should be. There are VERY FEW that haven't been cleared. I mean, of the remaining players:
Noble, Gates, Marvin, Knuckles, Rebel, Kris, Farq, ACSmith, Jeff, Royce, Saint
-I know I'm town (which will mean nothing, yes).
-I know that Noble isn't the recruiter or the serial killer (but I can't say that you weren't recruited).
-I know Farq claimed Nathan Young and no one counter claimed (to my knowledge anyways).
-I know that Jeff doesn't have a night role. Or at lest my successful on him night one gave me that impression. Can probably clear him of being the cult recruiter or killer, but can't say that he isn't recruited.
Which essentially leaves Terry Marvin, Knuckles, Rebel, Kris, Smith, Royce and Saint. If I had to pick the MOST suspicious to me, it would be Saint, Knuckles and Marvin.
-Saint claimed lie detector, and it was his intel that flipped the lynch from Knuckles to Blade (which ended up on Gubayama). He strengthened it the next day and it led to Blade's lynch. He said he would use it on me, and conveniently couldn't find me.
-Knuckles was said to have bitten someone, but we kind of wrote him off of that and moved toward Blade because Noble didn't get 100% clarification that it was Knuckles who bit Blade, just who he watched. Though I'm starting to think the bus driver idea might be wrong. The only thing this would do, if Knuckles did bite Blade, would mean Knuckles is, at best, Shannon (since she was the biter, and if my idea of the zombie group dying when Shannon got recruited holds true, then that would be why Blade didn't get confirmation he was bitten).
-As for Marvin, something doesn't really sit well with me on him, but I don't know what it is. Day two he was convinced Blade wasn't vote-worthy and got things started on Gub, and then day two eventually says he believes Blade to be the recruiter. Seems harmless, but could also be a cult deciding to build heat on Blade, pull it off, and then lynch another townie so that we will all look to Blade day three. In depth, yes, but if these three are cult, they are all smart and experienced.
And really, of the things I know only two (myself and Farq) are town since Nathan hasn't been recruited yet. That's the problem with a recruiter, even if someone is cleared night one, you can't really build off of that if there are recruits happening every night.
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