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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Apr 16, 2012 1:15:12 GMT -4
wat gets me is that not only r u flip flopping but ur doin it without explaination or merit. u turn around and say that u dont have a power? how can u say 1 thing then turn around and say another? ur lookin scummier by the minute but ill give u 1 final chance bro. I believe this entire day is built off guesswork. So if I'm scum, mostly everyone else this day that's participated in voting should be considered, too. When did I ever say I didn't have a 'power'? You're stretching. You're pulling arguments out of thin air. I don't care if you vote for me, because once I do flip Town, they'll just go right back after you and blade. Either way, you're acting way more funky than I am, with your moans and whatnot. But, thanks for giving me 1 chance, bro! |
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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Apr 16, 2012 1:20:02 GMT -4
Gub, why shouldn't I vote for you? It'd be a waste to go after me today when the town has closer to hard evidence against Blade and Knuckles than they do for me. If Knuckles or Blade does end up being scum, I think heat will fall off me and people will realize I just go about things differently? But if they do flip town, fair play to come after me the next day. I cannot offer any other reason for you not to suspect me, but I am town. I wouldn't say my role is a necessity but it does serve us town-folk well if executed appropriately. |
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Post by Reaver on Apr 16, 2012 1:25:38 GMT -4
hey james, who is rob?
pulling it out of thin air GUB? it was mentioned earlier in this thread man. cmon!! i guess im gonna have to go find it
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Post by SalTal on Apr 16, 2012 1:32:36 GMT -4
Don't worry Knuckles, I'll take it. Gubayama, you said this: If anything, I was involved in last night's activity, and I successfully silenced a player. Which leads us all to believe that you’re a Silencer. People start saying that you’re a silencer: Kurt’s First Post:I...am not sure you just helped yourself right there. The ability to silence someone, or being a Silencer is general, isn't typically a town role as it disrupts the flow of information. Very odd that you would come out and share such troubling information... maybe Gubayama silenced Knuckles? I'm not saying he did, because if he did that would suck, but it wouldn't just be...frustratingly comical if he did have a jailkeeper role and used it on Knuckles. Oh, and FOS: GubayamaI have a hard time believing a role that allows someone to be silenced to be a town role. It certainly *does* disrupt information flow because what if you hit someone with an investigation role, and then they can't share their findings? Or worse...what if you had hit Knuckles...or hit Blade? We'd be sitting here twiddling our thumbs having to take a gut leap. I believe your claim about not getting your role...I just don't know that I believe where you really sit in this game. But, you aren't anywhere close to being the prime suspect for today, and anyone that tries to lynch you today over Knuckles or Blade is trying to stall the game, IMO. I'm guessing, because of the role-claim rule, you can't tell us who you silenced since it's not investigative...but I'll do a headcount in a minute to check. To which you say: TO NOBLE’S First POST:It is beneficial to the town, actually. It doesn't disrupt discussion. Anyway, L-1 didn't forget to send me my role. He thought he did but didn't. That was all. I'm sure he'll be happy to clarify with a mere, "yes" And as far as this witch hunt goes, I will go along with voting Blade as well. Contiuing this idea that you’ve got a power. So no where did you say that you don’t have a night role, and you never actually disuaded anyone from thinking that you had a night role - especially along the lines of a silencer. And then you come out with this? When did I ever say I didn't have a 'power'? You're stretching. You're pulling arguments out of thin air. I don't care if you vote for me, because once I do flip Town, they'll just go right back after you and blade. Either way, you're acting way more funky than I am, with your moans and whatnot. Can you see where the confusion comes from? |
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Post by Reaver on Apr 16, 2012 1:37:01 GMT -4
ty sally, lol its late for me :-p
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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Apr 16, 2012 1:56:24 GMT -4
I think the both of you should step away from the computer and get some rest. Let's sum this up so even a child could understand:
I told the town that last night I used my 'power' and I was successful in silencing someone I thought didn't bring anything to the table. Seeing who isn't here, you can guess who that is. Also, it's required of me to sign in, so I had to silence someone. I don't see what the issue is here. Noble thought, "well, dang, you might disrupt the flow if you keep at it" and I assured him that isn't the case.
Now Knuckles is saying that I am denying I did anything last night. He seems to think I just 180'd my confession. Which doesn't make sense at all(because nowhere did I make any post that would lead anyone to believe I'm denying my action or that I have the ability to take action) but that's because he's trying to make me out to be someone really sketchy and nervous.
Actually, you know what? Why is it that you're coming to back up Knuckles? Are you two working together? Your post is rushed and feels petty.
"But, you aren't anywhere close to being the prime suspect for today, and anyone that tries to lynch you today over Knuckles or Blade is trying to stall the game, IMO." - Kurt Noble
Interesting, indeed.
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Post by Reaver on Apr 16, 2012 2:08:37 GMT -4
wat gets me is that not only r u flip flopping but ur doin it without explaination or merit. u turn around and say that u dont have a power? how can u say 1 thing then turn around and say another? ur lookin scummier by the minute but ill give u 1 final chance bro. I believe this entire day is built off guesswork. So if I'm scum, mostly everyone else this day that's participated in voting should be considered, too. When did I ever say I didn't have a 'power'? You're stretching. You're pulling arguments out of thin air. I don't care if you vote for me, because once I do flip Town, they'll just go right back after you and blade. Either way, you're acting way more funky than I am, with your moans and whatnot. But, thanks for giving me 1 chance, bro! ^^ this rite here.... if u had to silence somebody in order to start then u had a nite role. but here u clearly deny it. this is wat i mean by flip flopping and uve been caught red handed. Vote: Gubayamai gave u a chance and u failed man, sorry. this proves to me that u got something sketchy going on. |
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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Apr 16, 2012 2:15:31 GMT -4
Instead of quoting the entire post, how about you quote whichever part of that post leads you to believe I'm denying my power? However, I do believe you're referencing this:
You do realize I said, "When did I ever say I didn't have a 'power'?" yes? Because that is responding to this: "u turn around and say that u dont have a power? how can u say 1 thing then turn around and say another?" A 'point' you randomly brought up that has no merit or explanation, as you would say.
You are scum, Knuckles.
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Post by SalTal on Apr 16, 2012 2:23:37 GMT -4
Actually, you know what? Why is it that you're coming to back up Knuckles? Are you two working together? Your post is rushed and feels petty. I'm assuming this is directed to em, because quoting someone is really a hard thing to do, etc. I'm not backing him up, I'm actually trying to figure you out. You're arrogance and pompousness me annoyed, but that's not why I'm arguing the same as Knuckles. It's all your sketchy posts. If you recalled my vote on Knuckles, you'll see it's still there. I'd hardly call what I'm doing backing someone up when I'm trying to lynch him. But that's cool, I can see why you might be confused at that. I'd do the same to anyone else who has managed to fly by suspicion even with question marks over them. Noble and Saint did a job on Blade; Noble and CJ did a job on Knuckles; someone needs to give you a closer look. |
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Post by SalTal on Apr 16, 2012 2:26:34 GMT -4
EWOP
I shouldn't have said "You're arrogance and pompousness me annoyed" - with or without the butchering of the sentence. I'll withdraw that quasi-personal reference.
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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Apr 16, 2012 2:44:10 GMT -4
Lol okay, Sally. Thanks for clearing all that up. +1
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Post by Jules on Apr 16, 2012 3:37:42 GMT -4
I'm flip-flopping? I originally voted for Blade because Noble and Keaton convinced me. Now, I switched to you. That's twice, not three. I'm not popping in-n-out jumping on and off wagons, nor freaking out as you. I have nothing to hide. In fact, someone could use their night action to investigate me or whatever and will find me squeaky clean. Also, I am not the only person thus far to change their votes. You guys can say that I'm scummy (because apparently that's everyone's favorite word, like 'terrorist' is for America) but I am absolutely not. I am part of the town, for the town, and will die for the town. That is my job, after all. wat gets me is that not only r u flip flopping but ur doin it without explaination or merit. not to mention that u said something about "silencing" somebody but not only was that not confirmed but u turn around and say that u dont have a power? how can u say 1 thing then turn around and say another? ur lookin scummier by the minute but ill give u 1 final chance bro. convince me ur not against the town because saying that ud die for the town or asking for a cop to check u out is the biggest cop out in the game. I believe this entire day is built off guesswork. So if I'm scum, mostly everyone else this day that's participated in voting should be considered, too. When did I ever say I didn't have a 'power'? You're stretching. You're pulling arguments out of thin air. I don't care if you vote for me, because once I do flip Town, they'll just go right back after you and blade. Either way, you're acting way more funky than I am, with your moans and whatnot. But, thanks for giving me 1 chance, bro! It'd be a waste to go after me today when the town has closer to hard evidence against Blade and Knuckles than they do for me. I told the town that last night I used my 'power' and I was successful in silencing someone I thought didn't bring anything to the table. Seeing who isn't here, you can guess who that is. Also, it's required of me to sign in, so I had to silence someone. I don't see what the issue is here. Noble thought, "well, dang, you might disrupt the flow if you keep at it" and I assured him that isn't the case. I'm having a hard time working this out. You claim you have the power to 'silence' people. If this means you are a 'silencer' then only a very generous interpretation of what constitutes a role-claim would let you get away with that. L1 |
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Post by Jules on Apr 16, 2012 3:47:39 GMT -4
EBWOP
That message is incomplete. The cat jumped on my keyboard and she managed to post what I was writing in doing so. Could you delete my post above L1. Thanks.
I am re-writing as I post this.
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Post by Jules on Apr 16, 2012 4:13:30 GMT -4
wat gets me is that not only r u flip flopping but ur doin it without explaination or merit. not to mention that u said something about "silencing" somebody but not only was that not confirmed but u turn around and say that u dont have a power? how can u say 1 thing then turn around and say another? ur lookin scummier by the minute but ill give u 1 final chance bro. convince me ur not against the town because saying that ud die for the town or asking for a cop to check u out is the biggest cop out in the game. I couldn't agree more. A reason why Blade got me to step down is because he swore to never play this game again (in APW, at least) if he flipped anything else other than town. I am willing to do and say the same. This is petty and very mean-spirited. Sounds like a desperate last act, a bit like it does with Blade. I'm flip-flopping? I originally voted for Blade because Noble and Keaton convinced me. Now, I switched to you. That's twice, not three. I'm not popping in-n-out jumping on and off wagons, nor freaking out as you. I have nothing to hide. In fact, someone could use their night action to investigate me or whatever and will find me squeaky clean. Also, I am not the only person thus far to change their votes. You guys can say that I'm scummy (because apparently that's everyone's favorite word, like 'terrorist' is for America) but I am absolutely not. I am part of the town, for the town, and will die for the town. That is my job, after all. It's like Scumtell City around here. Scumtell 1 in bold. A double bluff, or get the cop to waste an investigation on a rather minor scum player and allow his buddies to try a night kill unwatched. Scumtell 2 in italics. Try to discredit everyone else around you, not to mention that bit of empty rhetoric you included. Oh, it's also your role to die for the town too. So now you're a vengeful townie? It'd be a waste to go after me today when the town has closer to hard evidence against Blade and Knuckles than they do for me. This may be true, but it doesn't mean you're not scum. I told the town that last night I used my 'power' and I was successful in silencing someone I thought didn't bring anything to the table. Seeing who isn't here, you can guess who that is. Also, it's required of me to sign in, so I had to silence someone. I don't see what the issue is here. Noble thought, "well, dang, you might disrupt the flow if you keep at it" and I assured him that isn't the case. I'm having a hard time working this out. You claim you have the power to 'silence' people. If this means you are a 'silencer' then I can't see how you think this role doesn't disrupt the flow of information. It leads me to ask whether 'silence' has been substituted for some other role-based action verb. But you've hinted at silencing A.C. Smith because he had the least to bring to the table. Is this the silencers job? No, his or her job is to silence people who may provide USEFUL information against his or her faction. As Noble said, this is a MAFIA role. It does not benefit the town to silence anyone. Maybe you're a roleblocker, but then why hasn't A.C. Smith posted? 1. It means you aren't lying about your power, but you are probably the mafia silencer. 2. You are lying about the power, and it has worked to your advantage that A.C. Smith hasn't checked in. 1. seems more plausible to me. I think you're scum Gubayama and the only reason I am not voting for you this time is because I think there may be bigger fish to fry atm. * I will just add re: my vote. I am now less than 100% (although more than 90%) behind it, there has been a lot of stalling and a lot of (mis)information thrown out to confuse the issue. To some degree it has worked. I don't like Blade saying 'if I flip town I won't play mafia here again', it sounds mean-spirited to me. But then Blade has never struck me as that kind of guy, so maybe he is being sarcastic. Either way it is an obvious emotive and rhetorical device to me. I'm going to stick by my vote, I do think there are one or two obviously scum players out there, but at this early stage I am going to play a little less risk averse. The opportunity to possibly take out the cult recruiter is really tempting, this is the carrot Noble and Saint are dangling and if they are wrong they can expect some heat; also, if Blade is the cult recruiter and we take him out it is a big coup, if we don't take him out then we have let him off to keep undermining the town's efforts. If Blade is not the cult recruiter then those of us who voted for him look like asses, but it gives us some really strong leads for day 3. That isn't my attempt to overtly convince anybody, more an explanation of why I am sticking to my vote. |
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Post by President Jeff on Apr 16, 2012 6:21:25 GMT -4
unvote:Blade
Unvoting for now. The stuff about Gubayama has be thinking. I'll revisit all this when I get home from work today
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Post by Kurt on Apr 16, 2012 8:02:35 GMT -4
ebwop i also wanna make note that blade has specified that he WAS NOT bitten.... Is it some sort of revelation that people lie in Mafia games? Of course Blade is going to lie when accused. What, would you expect him to outright say "Oh yep guys, you got me! Good game!" If you believe everything everyone says, then we're playing a game with 16 town that are all dedicated to winning it for the town. Oh, and I've specified that he WAS bitten successfully. Literally his defense is "you made that up." Kind of hoping I DO get axed during the night now so that when my name flips green, you can see I haven't lied; it was information I received from my night action. As for this Gubayama lynch, I don't agree with it. Yes, the guy's fishy for his vote-hopping. Yes, the Silencer *is* a Mafia role. But, I don't think Gubayama should be that high on the priority list, r at least above Knuckles or James. If we lynch Gubayama, even if we nail scum, we only have him to go on as the cult grows stronger. If we nail Blade or Knuckles, and one of them flips cult, we just nabbed the other as well...so I don't see Gubayama being our most valuable lynch today, for those of you thinking it. The fact that Knuckles tried to goad the town into vote Gubayama, hiding behind "I don't feel confident enough yet!" should be a huge red flag to anyone playing this game. If Blade flips green, Knuckles knows he's saved for a while...but he knows Blade won't flip green. It's a clear, clear diversion. |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 16, 2012 8:20:43 GMT -4
Well, I finally got caught up on everything I think.
Here's the way I see it.
I dont' think Blade is scum. I really don't...I also don't think Noble is scum. I think there was some mass confusion with the night roles (bus driver of some such nonsense) because reading a lot of this, none of it makes sense.
Gubayama is my scummy as hell. I'm not gonna quote and requote all his posts cause that's already been done to death so I'll just say a quick blurb on it. You waver back and forth... you're very flip floppy. You sound like a guy who's jumping on the easiest bandwaggon to try to get out of this day phase with your head in tact.
My guess is you're probably mafia and not any of the 3rd party stuff.
Blade -I never really liked the lynch on blade. It just didn't "FEEL" Right, so I'm glad that it's coming to a halt. I'm not saying he should be off the hook....but I think there are better choices right now.
Knuckles... I've heard a lot of things but I'm pretty sure you're the biter. I've been convinced of that much and your posts don't really lend a helping hand. You are not as mean spirited as GUB but you sound just as desperate. I'm pretty sure you are the zombie and that you were converted last night.
Vote: Gubayama
It feels like the best lynch and I think he is the scummiest one at this point. I don't think we can go wrong here.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 16, 2012 8:30:00 GMT -4
EBWOP on my last post:
Knuckles or Blade*
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Post by SalTal on Apr 16, 2012 8:35:02 GMT -4
I don't think we can go wrong here. I do: Now we're all split across three parts and we're getting less likely to getting a lynch. Not unless there's a big shift in momentum. 6 for Blade; 3 for Knuckles; now 1 on Gub. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 16, 2012 8:50:41 GMT -4
Regarding GUB...
I'm assuming that he's a jailkeeper, because I've never seen a role of Silencer, but I don't think jailkeeper is 100% scum. I think in past games here we've had variations of the role for both town and scum alignments. That's the one reason why he's getting my pass, because, at the very least, we can assume that AC Smith got silenced for the day which falls in line with what Gub is saying.
The things that make me believe Knuckles is more of a target is because...well, like it was said, Knuckles has tried to throw more heat away from himself by pinning it on Gub. I'll have to think more and more about the time limit because there's a good chance Blade might be the better option, if only because Knuckles is throwing heat on Gub, when in most cases of a somewhat split vote, one party will try and pin it on the other (unless they are aligned together). I just can't get over Knuckles' attempts.
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 16, 2012 9:04:25 GMT -4
I've been reading the thread and I'm not convinced by the lynch on Gub.
Considering that for Blade to be town would take Kurt to be lying and Knuckles to be telling the truth it has a much stronger merit that Blade is lying along with Knuckles. This is also aided by the night result itself which practically states word for word that Knuckles visted Blade and was recruited as a result.
Further evidence can be seen by Knuckles' play, defence of Blade by voting Gub and overall trying to switch the lynch away even if it goes back to him.
Knuckles was biter and is now a cultist, we couldlynch him and get Blade tomorrow but that would give Blade a chance to recruit someone else (We have NO confirmation on cult/mafia alternating night actions).
If we lynch the head of the cult, we effectively take out one of the most dangerous elements of the game, confirm Kurt for town and then have a strong core in order to further win the game.
I can't turn away from that.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 16, 2012 9:26:16 GMT -4
Again -- I don't believe Gub for a second. If he is truly the silencer/jail keeper (as C.J. suggests) than why in the world would he go after A.C? He's obviously new to the mafia game and gains nothing by silencing him for the day. Couple that with that idea that it took him an entire day phase to discover his role; it's obvious, to me, that he's lying.
However, the real danger lies within the cult. There has been a solid case built against Blade and really, we can look at it two ways:
1 - If Blade flips cult, then we have our next target in Knuckles and we have effectively eliminated two threats to the town immediately.
2 - If Blade flips town, then we are staring down Noble and Saint for their leading the bandwagon.
The evidence is there and if Noble is outright lying with his information than he's toast.
Vote: Blade
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 16, 2012 10:21:44 GMT -4
I don't think we can go wrong here. I do: Now we're all split across three parts and we're getting less likely to getting a lynch. Not unless there's a big shift in momentum. 6 for Blade; 3 for Knuckles; now 1 on Gub. I'm inclined to agree with Sally. With Blade and Knuckles, at least we have some sort of evidence out there against them, and it will also (hopefully) answer questions if one of them get lynched. Gub has something against him, yes, but I'd rather follow what we actually have. With that said, I think we have until Tuesday at 8 PM to come to a decision. We sit at 6 for Blade, 3 for Knuckles and 2 for Gubyama with 5 people not voting (and only 4 who can assuming AC is silenced). I will say I'm trying to read back through the discussion between Noble/Saint/Blade to see if there is anything there that could sway me to take a chance and vote Blade. |
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Post by SalTal on Apr 16, 2012 10:33:14 GMT -4
All you're going to find, CJ, is Nobles definite information on Knuckles (that he bit Blade) but only pencil action that Blade can convert.
I believe that we also have Kurt saying the bite was unsuccessful, which still gives us a known about Knuckles.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 16, 2012 10:40:09 GMT -4
I believe that we also have Kurt saying the bite was unsuccessful, which still gives us a known about Knuckles. Has the stance on that changed? Tell you what Knuckles, I'm going to sweeten the pot. I'm going to tell the town who you successfully bit, because even if for some reason if got bus driven or something of the sort, I got a clear name of who was bitten. Didn't want to play that card just yet because I had to see just how much they were worth protecting. Apparently... a lot. Knuckles bit Blade. I watched him do it last night (that enough of a claim for you?) That was at the beginning of the discussion when Kurt voted Knuckles and he said that it was successful and named Blade. I might have missed it where he admitted that the bite wasn't successful, or were we just going with the assumption that it wasn't successful because the 3rd party recruit overrode it? And a question to Noble. I don't know if you CAN answer it without getting modkilled but... When you received your night action result, did it name Knuckles having bitten Blade? |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 16, 2012 10:44:17 GMT -4
All you're going to find, CJ, is Nobles definite information on Knuckles (that he bit Blade) but only pencil action that Blade can convert. I believe that we also have Kurt saying the bite was unsuccessful, which still gives us a known about Knuckles. I don't recall saying the bite was uncuessful anywhere. I said that someone, not necessarily Knuckles *if* I was bused, bit Blade. It was successful. I do believe that Knuckles's shifty behavior indicates that he was the biter though. Saint's explanation of the night phase is what I believe happened. Knuckles bit Blade, and was recruited because of it. Even if the write-up is somewhat ambiguous as to how the whole biting went, me receiving the word 'bite' from my night action mirrors the write-up. It's not coincidence. Blade's desparate. He knows we caught him. He's putting out extremes (the userbar, the never playing Mafia again claim) to try and save, or at least stall his team from getting lynched...because the second one of them does and flips purple, the other knows they're dead. So, their best bet is to discredit me as a liar and make outrageous claims to deter people on the fence. That's how I see things. I won't vote Gubayama today. I'm sticking with my vote. |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 16, 2012 10:47:23 GMT -4
When you received your night action result, did it name Knuckles having bitten Blade?
No. Hopefully I'm not going too far into role-claim territory, but I saw what Knuckles saw when I used my action on him: a successful bite. Knuckles's name was no-where in the post.
That's one reason why I backed off Knuckles and switched to Blade: Because even if Knuckles was set-up or I was bussed, Blade's name was clear. Regardless of whoever did the action, someone successfully bit Blade.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 16, 2012 10:56:50 GMT -4
That's what I was wondering and hopefully you didn't go too far (then again, you didn't quote the PM...). With that...
Unvote
With Kurt not getting the confirmation that it was Knuckles who bit Blade, I'd rather take my vote off and look into Knuckles again to see. I only say this because my own role was switched from one person to another, so if that is what happened to Kurt, then Knuckles might be clear (NOTE: His actions still seem guilty, so he's not in the clear, which is why I'd rather someone with an investigative role look into Knuckles).
I can only assume that teal is a bad color for the town. Purple is able to kill and teal was able to bite. I only say this because in the off chance that Blade isn't Rachel and didn't recruit whomever bit him, the fact that he still got bit and Shannon was a different color means he would have been converted (though all signs point to a recruit after/during/instead of the bite). Is there the chance Blade wasn't bitten? Sure. But that would be an odd result to get, even for a Level One game.
Vote: Blade
Am I 100%? No. But at this point, it's hard to be. I just think that Noble has a point, at least we know who the bitten was, which is stronger then assuming it was Knuckles.
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Post by Blade on Apr 16, 2012 10:57:42 GMT -4
I was not bitten.
I was not converted.
I am not a Cult leader/recruiter.
I used my action where I said I used it.
Noble is very Mis-informed and he WILL be the #1 suspect for tomorrow.
For the sake of the town I urge Knuckles, CJ, Sally, James or anyone who hasn't voted yet to actually vote for me.
I have hinted my role without claiming, yet no one has counter claimed it have they?
The actual thing with my role is that it comes in handy when you actually know who the cult/serial killer is and will prevent any actions.
But it's ok, when it comes down to it, you can actually thank everyone that has parked their attention on me for actually being what I said I was.
I am not a cult recruitee.
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Post by Blade on Apr 16, 2012 10:59:42 GMT -4
Post Post Edit:
Thanks CJ, I am unsure now is that 1 or 2 left for the hammer?
I WOULD vote myself, but as I am town it would be a wasted vote. I just hope the town do their best to actually stop Noble and Saint and actually win this thing.
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