Halloween Movie Debate

[Jason Cashe]

Right when I got suspended I seen somewhere on the GFX request forum that people think the Remakes were good. So we putting that shit up on discussion. This is a SERIOUS matter! Haha.

Rob Zombie started off decent. The man behind the mask (Tyler Mane), the mask and the attachment TO the mask. Both excellent! Even the parts seeing the changes of Young Michael in the Asylum was well done. The family background though to me was better being a Clean Cut background. A happy family and it's a big deal, a poor and dysfunctional family and it's not as WOW in the sense of Media. When ghettos get school shootings, it doesn't get National Coverage. Not saying they were in a Ghetto but it was white trash like without question.

The first movie made sense though, I liked it and hoped for more of it in the 2nd. IN THE SECOND though, Zombie fucks it up. Suddenly seeing his Mother, hearing her voice and depending on the ending you watch, Myers TALKS!?! So he suddenly becomes a variety of Jason now with the mother thing? Horrible. The original part 3 was unspeakable but at least the reason behind it made sense but that sequel? It was him doing his own thing and taking away everything else that had been done. MAN it feels good to be back..

[Pepsi]

I think seeing to much of Myers backstory removes the mystique from him. In the original series you had doubts about how human he really is, and you only learned some snippets of his backstory as the movie rolled along. For me, starting with Michael as a child in the remake brought the movie down in my mind.

As for the abomination of a sequel to the remake, what can be said other than at least it wasn't Haloween 3. That movie was pathetic.

[Nathanial Strong]

John Carpenter > Rob Zombie. Sorry, I just didn't get why remake what was already good...

[Speede]

You want a real horror movie? Go skyping with Knuckles.

LMAO no, no, in all seriousness, I haven't seen a horror film yet that's actually scared me.

[Jason Cashe]

That's because Horror Movies go overboard with the Horror part. That's what I liked about that movie "The Strangers" because it had more of a realistic feel to it. Even though it's "Based On True Events" is just that the writer was inspired by Charles Manson and a childhood memory he had of someone ringing his doorbell. So saying "Based Off True Events" doesn't make a movie TRUE but that movie didn't overdue the horror, it gave a real sense of something that could actually happen.

The fear of GOD comes into someone when they are put into chairs, tied down and the lives of loved ones become threatened. You beg, you cry, you try to offer yourself instead of someone else but that fear, that horror is a true to life feeling that most people say won't happen to them. Or they'd know how they'd react and get out of it but until it happens...Nothing is certain. THAT is good horror.

Michael Myers is just aww to me, he's a beast and the only overboard horror I have sworn by since I was a kid.

[Smash INC]

Halloween 1 (not the Rob Zombie one) is a fantastic slasher flick and an excellent example of how to show violence without showing the details. Everyone tends to remember it as gorier than it was but nothing major was actually shown on camera, just implied.

This isn't a recommendation thread so I won't go into things there but I will say that the Rob Zombie version wasn't bad, it just wasn't ever going to outclass the original.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I liked both, but I prefer the Zombie to the original and this is the only reason why. You see how fucked up he is a child. It's that surreal like, no, they aren't...holy shit this kid is craving up his own pet. I thought that was far, but having him beating the holy shit out of the bully in school to death with a branch, it was like. wow, that's fucked up and it's like, you know this guy is gonna be an unstoppable killer later in life, but holy shit, he was just severely fucked in the head as a kid.

As far as the "horror" genre, Insidious came the closest to making me jump since I've been in middle school. Big fan of Nightmare on Elm Street, although the only one they show is the last one of the original run and the remake, which wasn't that bad, loved the new freddie and Rooney Mara is hot so yea.

[amyzing]

Here is the issue I always had with the original movies:

Michael Meyers kills his sister and her boyfriend, then after he goes outside with his sister and sits on the curb. His mom arrives, and he is arrested. Years later he escapes and spends the next like 20 years trying to kill his sister.

Why the hell after committing a brutal double homicide didn't he just kill her then? What? Was it because she was a baby and thus innocent? So were like half the victims he slaughtered.

And that is not even getting into his having sex with his neice and making a child or something and the whole magical powers that make him a killing machine.

I prefered the Rob Zombie movie because they made more sense. There was no mystic crap, no wondering about his motives, just a psychopath.

I liked the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. I hated The Ring. I like the Grudge series and watch it yearly around Halloween. I recently saw Mama and liked it.

My issue with a horror movie is I am not looking for a bloodbath gore fest or torture porn. I want a scare. I want a plot. I don't mind some hulking killing machine, but there is more to horror than that.

[Johnny Rebel]

Feb 4, 2013 10:09:20 GMT -4 amyzing said:

Here is the issue I always had with the original movies:

Michael Meyers kills his sister and her boyfriend, then after he goes outside with his sister and sits on the curb. His mom arrives, and he is arrested. Years later he escapes and spends the next like 20 years trying to kill his sister.

Why the hell after committing a brutal double homicide didn't he just kill her then? What? Was it because she was a baby and thus innocent? So were like half the victims he slaughtered.

And that is not even getting into his having sex with his neice and making a child or something and the whole magical powers that make him a killing machine.

I prefered the Rob Zombie movie because they made more sense. There was no mystic crap, no wondering about his motives, just a psychopath.

I liked the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. I hated The Ring. I like the Grudge series and watch it yearly around Halloween. I recently saw Mama and liked it.

My issue with a horror movie is I am not looking for a bloodbath gore fest or torture porn. I want a scare. I want a plot. I don't mind some hulking killing machine, but there is more to horror than that.

I don't understand the whole genre. What is appealing about watching people get hacked to pieces in an abandoned warehouse?

Then again - I've watched two movies in the past five years and they were both a colossal waste of time; so, what do I know?

[Jason Cashe]

I agree with what TJ said, I really enjoyed the extra depth that was added to young Myers for the First Remake. However it should have been a good family that Myers came from, not a dysfunctional one because that alone adds more WOW factor. I also like how they attached the mask and showed his drop into the darkness. I liked the grunting and violent attacks in the First Remake as well but that's it. Nothing else about it made me think it was better or even done completely properly.

@amy ZING: Myers killed his older sister because she was a bitch and only wanted to fuck. He wanted Halloween Candy damnit and she was too busy getting poked. He loved his baby sister, she was the only innocent thing in his life (For the Remakes) As for the Originals? It is explained only in part 6 as to why he does what he did. Curse Of The Thorn is the reason and is the best reasoning behind Myers. I believe it's an Indian Curse that causes the bearer to kill his/her Family in order to save their souls from damnation. I'll look up the description right quick...

The Curse of Thorn is an ancient curse spoken of in the Halloween franchise and is the primary motivation behind serial killer Michael Myers' constant desire to kill off all members of his family for much of the series. The curse also appears to be the primary source of Myers' inhuman strength and immunity from death throughout much of the series, having been inflicted with the curse when he was a child. The symbol of Thorn (a line with a spike drawn to its side) appears as a tattoo on Michael's wrist, symbolizing the curse's hold on him. This however does not include H20 as that is a separate timeline from Halloween 4-6.

If the series was to be redone or remade, this is where it should have started. This gave it more purpose. Halloween's only issue is nothing is connected together. They almost ignore 4 and 5 in H20 and Resurrection as if his niece which was Laurie Strode's daughter didn't exist. They could have also and can still with the upcoming/Potential Halloween 3D to show how Laurie Strode faked her death and abandoned her Daughter who becomes Jamie in 4 and 5. The connections is where Halloween fails. Still he is awesome and I hope they do continue to build and remove what Rob Zombie did wrong but keep what he did right and go from there connecting things this time around.

[jasonandrews1]

Ok Jason and Reaver know i am a huge horror movie fanatic so of course i have seen every single Halloween film. And i know a lof of people get mad when i say i am not a fan of the Rob Zombie versions well at least the second one. I felt that the movie was just created as a cash grab. It felt rush and that the cast just didn't seem to care. The first one however is a different story. The 1st remake was well paced the cast seemed to be into their roles i mean come on who else wasn't creeped out by the kid who played young Michael? The kills were simple and you could actually see them without the camera moving all the damn time! If they do make Halloween 3D (lets hope to christ they don't) that they do it right that time around.

[Jason Cashe]

I want a Halloween 3D. Zombie isn't doing it, they have different people working on it. It will HOPEFULLY tell the story of Laurie Strode faking her death and giving up her baby (Jamie). That was only mentioned in 4, never shown. Maybe even a highlighted reel before just skipping into 4 & 5 would work. The story has holes and parts where the ignore everything else that happened. It's why Myers was never a real contender to say Freddy. Jason was big but he was that way because of the already placed fears of Camping and in the woods.

I liked the first Zombie remake. I disliked the Poor and Dysfunctional Family part of it because like I said above, that to me takes away the shock and aww from the community around them if they were already fucked off. The second remake...Well I'd probably spit on Rob Zombie and his bitch wife for ruining that movie. I almost got emotional hearing Myers talk, seeing his dead mother. I was disgusted and angry. Weed in loads helped eventually...

[jasonandrews1]

I wouldn't want one the second remake killed it for me i am still a little heated that there is no friday the 13th part 2

[Pepsi]

I have been disappointed with all of the slasher remakes. The one that cheesed me off the most was the Nightmare On Elm Street one. I like Jackie Earle Hayley, but Robert Englund he is not. Friday the 13th was ok, but I wasn't a big the originals either. As for Haloween I think they should just leave it alone. The damage has been done. I choose to just remember the brilliance of the original Haloween and none of the sequels or remakes.

[Jason Cashe]

I can agree with that BP. I liked the Friday The 13th remake a little, something about Jason running so much adds to his Ohhh shit or that Fuck That Moments. I also like Nightmare on Elm Street, the story of it anyways. I am totally in agreement that nobody replaces Mr. Robert Englund. The child molester/killer side was always something hinted and it was something that to me added to his evilness. The jail scene with (dude's name lost to me) in the remake was awesome, sucks to make someone believe you're being released like that. Anyone who's spent even a day in jail sober knows how that'd be shitty.

[warrenpeace]

I like Zombies take on the halloween franchise. We got teens who acted and spoke like teens. Girls who were so annoying I kind of wanted to see them killed. An amazing Dr Loomis. Even the haters can't deny how good MM is in the role.

The sequel was really fun and a great take on the franchise.

Both were certainly better than Season of the witch and some of the sequels that followed.