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Post by Jason Cashe on Oct 6, 2011 1:51:07 GMT -4
Wow....
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Post by JD Storm on Oct 7, 2011 23:04:09 GMT -4
was that a springboard spinning elbow?
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Oct 7, 2011 23:23:39 GMT -4
...This is why I hate wrestling companies.
Want to know why Shaemus doesn't do that move anymore? Because Pat Patterson, Arn Anderson, and the rest of the veterans in the locker-room, tell those guys not to. "It's longevity, you need to stop doing that, or you're going to hurt yourself. Leave that shit up to the Hardy's and the Mysterio's, you're bigger than that". I've heard it way too many times. Sometimes (like in the case of AJ Styles), that's how they get established. Then Jeff Jarrett comes along and says "stop that, you're bigger than that".
Yes, I understand, it's longevity. To have a long career, a non-risk moveset is ideal. Sure, you're over enough with the fans not to do it. I understand WHY NOT to do it, but then again, if you're wanting to DRAW money (which that what the business side is, is DRAWING MONEY), than why not give the fans their monies worth? Why have your wrestlers hold back their in-ring ability? Oh yeah, I forgot, there not wrestlers anymore.
...They're sports entertainers.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Oct 7, 2011 23:29:58 GMT -4
It's a spinning neckbreaker, he grabs the neck. Also I totally get why they don't do it. Nobody remains as high risk as they once were even Jeff Hardy. RVD has slowed down alot, doesn't do half the shit as well as before because he's slowed down. Mysterio is the same, dude would do some SHIT when he was really pint sized. Ask Droz how quickly a career gets cut short, WWE pays millions so they're talent DOESN'T HAVE to do those moves to get over and they do get over. CM Punk doesn't do the Pepsi Plunge anymore, he's changed and slowed down but they are making Millions not chump change like those who are putting the excitement into the Wrestling. WWE learned how to get ratings and make BANK off of putting the Rest in Wrestling.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Oct 8, 2011 0:45:42 GMT -4
It's a spinning neckbreaker, he grabs the neck. Also I totally get why they don't do it. Nobody remains as high risk as they once were even Jeff Hardy. RVD has slowed down alot, doesn't do half the shit as well as before because he's slowed down. Mysterio is the same, dude would do some SHIT when he was really pint sized. Ask Droz how quickly a career gets cut short, WWE pays millions so they're talent DOESN'T HAVE to do those moves to get over and they do get over. CM Punk doesn't do the Pepsi Plunge anymore, he's changed and slowed down but they are making Millions not chump change like those who are putting the excitement into the Wrestling. WWE learned how to get ratings and make BANK off of putting the Rest in Wrestling. Trust me, I get where you're coming from. But I guarantee you that he was told not to go to the top rope when he came to WWE. When Fatt Hardy became V1, he had an issue with Vince telling him not to fly off the rope. He refused, and was bumped down to a cruiserweight as his "punishment". But I'm sorry, it's not punishment if you win the Cruiserweight Championship at WrestleMania lol. Anyhow, I just think it's stupid to NOT exploit a talent in the ring. Shaemus can fly, just like Big Show could fly. In WCW, Big Show used to jump off the top rope. Once he hit WWE, you never saw him fly again. It's actually talked about in "A Giants World". I believe the "Leave that shit to the Hardy's" comment is in there somewhere lol. I used to love watching the Undertaker fly, Yokozuna bonzidrop, OVW Brock Lesnar fly, and so many others. Big guys who can jump off the top, REALLY tend to get over with the fans. It gives them credit, and they become almost immortalized in the fans eyes. Think about this... Which sticks out more in your head... A Jeff Hardy swanton, or Brock's WM Shooting Star Press? Now, if your excuse is Brock's epic fail, think about him landing it. It would still stick out more in your mind than some random swanton, wouldn't it? Better yet, if he landed the move, would you remember Evan Bourne's Shooting Star, or Brock's more? I hope you get what I'm saying... I'm stoned, sorry. Lol |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Oct 8, 2011 15:55:09 GMT -4
Yeah I get what you're saying. Lesnar's miss was SICK regardless. However he almost knocked himself out. Shouldn't have done it. As for Big Men making a leap...Take Sid Vicious and that's the PRIME reason WWE doesn't allow big dudes flying. Hell Undertaker has taken a few years off his career because of flying around and landing wrong in flying. Vader use to do a Moonsault but was he known for it? Not really because it's cool but looks TONS better when it's a smaller dude doing it.
As for "Fat Hardy" since we're judging folks on weight now...Should have never made it to anything without his brother. Matt sucks to me, he will probably overdose sometime within the next year and I truthfully just don't care. Jeff I see good moments but also has lame ones as well and I think "Rainbow Haired Warrior" really lost me being any kind of fan of his. His match with RVD at Vengence was EPIC, ladder match with Undertaker was good too but I don't much care for his spots because they're all the same.
WWE restricts moves in general. Not just styles. A brawler cannot drop someone with a Piledriver anymore. A powerhouse cannot hit a Powerbomb viciously, they have to simply let them fall from the up position. No move driving their backs into the ground. HELL, no more head shots with Chairs! Notice the PPV, not a single Chair Shot to the head. You want riskier stuff go watch RoH and Japan Wrestling which I do for that stuff. WWE has traditional Entertainment in their wrestling. It's safe and keeps the main roster around all year instead of having someone get injuried off a single spot that went wrong.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Oct 8, 2011 16:04:38 GMT -4
Sid is a little bit different. He was never a flyer and asked to go off the ropes. . .but was told to do so.
Brock has the athleticism to fly a little. I do agree that he should only pull that out for big matches and the shooting star press at WM will always be one of the top spot moments for me.
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Post by The Main Attraction on Oct 8, 2011 19:55:22 GMT -4
I always knew about Sheamus high risk skills. I've followed his career since his days in early FCW and before ECW...I was like damn this guy is talented...right height, weight, and he can fly...After seeing that I automatically knew he was going to be called up to the main roster and was going to be a big star...He always/still has reminded of Mike Awesome...They both had the total package...
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Oct 8, 2011 21:31:00 GMT -4
I always knew about Sheamus high risk skills. I've followed his career since his days in early FCW and before ECW...I was like damn this guy is talented...right height, weight, and he can fly...After seeing that I automatically knew he was going to be called up to the main roster and was going to be a big star...He always/still has reminded of Mike Awesome...They both had the total package... You know, I've been trying to find the right person to compare Shaemus to, for a while now. I think that you just said it best! Mike Awesome was a hell of a wrestler! Troubled, but a great wrestler! |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Oct 9, 2011 0:20:27 GMT -4
Awesome was cool, WCW made him a jackass but he was a good big man for sure.
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