The Simpsons Mafia - Game Thread

[Kris]

EBWOP: ...and that T-Marv is not Homer. Just to be clear.

[T-Marv]

Jun 20, 2012 0:29:21 GMT -4 goodburn said:

We don't know who Homer is. How do we know none of the guys were trying to off the other guy? I think Tmarv is trying to cover something up?

Where the hell is this coming from goodburn? Who said anything about Homer. And how the hell am I trying to cover something Up? I simply used my night information to semi clear Chaz of being the one doing the killing/poisoning.

Jun 20, 2012 0:51:57 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Thank you, T-Marv for at least trying to clear me a bit.

But damn, sucks that Knux is the first one gone! I'm guessing that Jeff is either A.) Withholding power information for one reason or another... Or B.) Knux didn't have a power... However, I don't see the "town mayor" not having any powers. That wouldn't make sense. So I'm guessing "A", Jeff's withholding information for some odd reason.

If this is the case for the entire duration of the game, this could be pretty interesting.

Mayor IS his role. It’s most likely a knock off of Governor or something to that effect. He most likely had a double vote or something to that effect as well. Jeff did EXACTLY what he needed to in the write up. He gave us his role and alignment….he doesn’t have to tell us what his exact powers are.

Jun 20, 2012 2:10:53 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

Well even though JamesV thinks im scum i can clear him that he is in fact town due to the events of last night

I’m seriously hoping that you’re not a cop. If so then you wasted your first night action by investigating somebody when you should have been checking your sanity. If you’re a watcher/Tracker, then by all means disregard this message.

Jun 20, 2012 5:14:44 GMT -4 Jules said:

Judging what is in the write-up and mafia convention I'd be inclinded towards a). If Knuckles was powerless wouldn't he would have been revealed as vanilla? In fact this is very similar to the Spaceballs mafia when Sally was killed and no role info was revealed, we know that was down to a janitor, could be the same here.

I would think this wasn’t a janitor cleanup because his role/character/alignment were all given. A janitor would have hidden ALL these things. Most likely we’re all reading too much into Jeff not giving us every ounce of information.

Jun 20, 2012 8:34:41 GMT -4 Kris said:

Jun 20, 2012 0:40:21 GMT -4 goodburn said:

(I'm assuming TMarv isn't Homer)

You would be right. I know who T-Marv is, and I can confirm that he is town.

You know who I am, or what my role is? What I mean is, do you know my character or my actual mafia Role? And please don’t reveal either.

[Kris]

Jun 20, 2012 8:45:26 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

You know who I am, or what my role is? What I mean is, do you know my character or my actual mafia Role? And please don’t reveal either.

I know who your character is, T-Marv-- which means I know your alignment as well, thanks to the write-up.

[Smash INC]

Kris clearing Marv clearing Chaz is a chain I'm certain would be far too risky for the mafia to pull off, so I'll take it at face value for now. However, this does lead me into a second point.

Jun 20, 2012 0:29:21 GMT -4 goodburn said:

We don't know who Homer is. How do we know none of the guys were trying to off the other guy? I think Tmarv is trying to cover something up?

Goodburn was eager to suggest a conspiracy, however the use of a question mark at the end of this gives him the subtle defence of "Well it was just an opinion."

Again, once you evaluate this post and look at the way he's approaching things it reeks of distraction. Goodburn thinks Marv is covering up but offers no explanation why, instead leaving it ambiguous and hoping someone else fills in the blanks.

In a day where the reports seem to be offering little in a solid direction, I feel that taking the gamble on Goodburn should prove beneficial. I'm going to vote him for this reason and suggest that Goodburn should provide his logic, from my point of view I'll keep the vote unless something solid turns up or Goodbrun provides a satisfactory explanation.

Vote: Goodburn

[T-Marv]

Jun 20, 2012 9:28:45 GMT -4 Smash INC said:

Kris clearing Marv clearing Chaz is a chain I'm certain would be far too risky for the mafia to pull off, so I'll take it at face value for now. However, this does lead me into a second point.

Let me reiterate this point.

I have NOT cleared Chaz as town....just as not the man physically doing the killing. (I guess not giving the order to kill either)




On that point....

Kris, if the writeup is correct and actually gave us some information as to what actually happened, then I think I know who you are as well, character wise. Am I on the right path?

[Smash INC]

Jun 20, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Jun 20, 2012 9:28:45 GMT -4 Smash INC said:

Kris clearing Marv clearing Chaz is a chain I'm certain would be far too risky for the mafia to pull off, so I'll take it at face value for now. However, this does lead me into a second point.

Let me reiterate this point.

I have NOT cleared Chaz as town....just as not the man physically doing the killing. (I guess not giving the order to kill either)




On that point....

Kris, if the writeup is correct and actually gave us some information as to what actually happened, then I think I know who you are as well, character wise. Am I on the right path?

What I was trying to say is it would be highly unlikely that more than one (if any) of you was mafia. The info that has been provided does more to legitimise the three of you, at least for now.

[Kris]

Jun 20, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Kris, if the writeup is correct and actually gave us some information as to what actually happened, then I think I know who you are as well, character wise. Am I on the right path?

If you're thinking what I think you're thinking... then you are, yes.

[Kurt]

I'm surprised Knuckles flipped town. His passive aggressive tendencies were flaring up, which seems to happen more often when he's scum.

My own analysis of the night is that the Mafia attempted to kill Homer via poison, but it was blocked/cured by the doctor. While someone poisoned would normally die the next day/night, I'm not expecting Homer to die now. My guess is that both the Mafia and TP can kill, but the Mafia kills via poison. Could be a way to balance out the two factions being able to kill at once.

So, to just take basically all the information we have:

Mafia:
- Moe
- Snake

Third-Party:
- Mr. Burns
- Smithers

I'm expecting there to be one more Mafia character, or a third faction we don't know of. Now, onto today:

T-marv: Chaz did not kill attempt to kill anyone.
Bacon: JamesV is town.
Kris: Tmarv is town/not Homer.

I think that's it. Let me know if I missed a chunk. Based off hints/general knowledge, I'm pretty sure I know T-marv and Kris's alleged roles, but not Bacon's. Bacon, you use the phrase "after the events of last night," which I'm slightly curious about. I'm taking your info with a grain of salt at the moment.

So, Kris/Tmarv...mind shedding some insight on this little "Oh, I think I know who you are" game? Kris's seems based on her role, but T-marvs doesn't, so I'd like to hear from Tmarv first about this.

[T-Marv]

Well basically... Based on the writeup, and the fact that Kris knows who my character is... I can surmise who her character is. That's really all I'm going to say Kurt.... I'm not going to character claim as I'll die. I'm not going to out Kris' character either.... That'd just be stupid.

As for what our roles are.... Idk what Kris is, but I have a guess, something else I won't out at this moment for fear it may make her #1 target by scum.

As for what my role is.... I'm not a watcher or tracker....not a cop....but I know CHaz didn't physically do any killing...he wouldn't have been able to.

I don't know what other light I can shed other than that Kurt without claiming.

[Kris]

There's nothing really for me to add to what T-Marv said, Kurt. He pretty well summed it up.

That being said, after looking over everything? I'm not comfortable with making a vote just yet, but I do agree that Goodburn is looking pretty suspicious. Trying to turn someone being Homer into a point of hunting scum just doesn't make any sense to me. As such...

F.o.S. - Goodburn

[The Soul Of Philly]

Marv, his role wasn't given Mayor Quimby is the character the mayor in it has nothing to do with his role.

[goodburn]

Jun 20, 2012 8:34:15 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

I was saying there are two killers because of the writeup.... one person was poisoned.... one person was killed. I wasn't saying there were TWO mafia killers necessarily, just trying to sus out the possibilities.

I don't know who Homer is... no CLUE how that whole thing got started.

I used a night action on Chaz, and that's how I know he wasn't the one doing the killing.

I love how the moment I clear chaz and try to sus out things about the writeup... all of a sudden I'm trying to cover something up? That's either a really confused and desperate town player grasping at straws, or an inexperianced scum trying to get a quick FOS pointed at me.

I was just missing the point that you used a night action. All of a sudden it seemed like you knew who Homer was. And I didn't recall ever seeing who Homer was, so that's why it was suspicious to me, I figured ut was you that used the poison, but I see I was wrong. Just a case of me not knowing what was going on.

[goodburn]

Jun 20, 2012 11:24:29 GMT -4 Kris said:

There's nothing really for me to add to what T-Marv said, Kurt. He pretty well summed it up.

That being said, after looking over everything? I'm not comfortable with making a vote just yet, but I do agree that Goodburn is looking pretty suspicious. Trying to turn someone being Homer into a point of hunting scum just doesn't make any sense to me. As such...

F.o.S. - Goodburn

Well the reason I thought it was suspicious was right after the write up, it looked ike everybody knew who Homer wasn't, rather than is, which is where my confusion started. I didn't get how T-Marv knew that Chaz didn't kill anybody, forgetting about the roles completely. I was geniunely suspicious until I realized that either of the other two were Homer. Nothing much to really add, it's just the whole Homer thing through me off.

I'll just point out that Bacon is the first person to vote for somebody again (Excluding the joke voting) And wha does F.o.S mean?

[T-Marv]

Finger Of Suspicion

It means she thinks your scum but isn't putting a vote on you yet.

[Kurt]

Jun 20, 2012 12:05:18 GMT -4 goodburn said:

I'll just point out that Bacon is the first person to vote for somebody again (Excluding the joke voting) And wha does F.o.S mean?

Show me where Bacon was the first to vote today.

[T-Marv]

Jun 20, 2012 11:28:25 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Marv, his role wasn't given Mayor Quimby is the character the mayor in it has nothing to do with his role.

My mistake.... I saw mayor and it just rang in my head as a role as well as a character.

That being said, Jeff is obviously leaving out the actual roles of the dead. This still does not lead toward a Janitor as that would cover alignment and character as well.

[goodburn]

Jun 20, 2012 12:21:59 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Jun 20, 2012 12:05:18 GMT -4 goodburn said:

I'll just point out that Bacon is the first person to vote for somebody again (Excluding the joke voting) And wha does F.o.S mean?

Show me where Bacon was the first to vote today.

My mistake, again it was Keaton, not Bacon.

I think it's best if I go get some sleep, and then start playing again, I'm obviously losing my mind, and seeing things.

[Jules]

Jun 20, 2012 12:25:36 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Jun 20, 2012 11:28:25 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Marv, his role wasn't given Mayor Quimby is the character the mayor in it has nothing to do with his role.

My mistake.... I saw mayor and it just rang in my head as a role as well as a character.

That being said, Jeff is obviously leaving out the actual roles of the dead. This still does not lead toward a Janitor as that would cover alignment and character as well.

I think your explanation about the janitor seems fair, especially as we were given some info about Knuckles. Anyone have any theories about why Jeff might be withholding some role info?

Also, very strange comments by Goodburn and I agree his play certainly raises eyebrows. However, for meta reasons I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, we've mislynched scummy seeming noobs in the past to our detriment, so gonna keep the gun in the holster at this point.

[T-Marv]

Jun 20, 2012 12:29:42 GMT -4 goodburn said:

Jun 20, 2012 12:21:59 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Show me where Bacon was the first to vote today.

My mistake, again it was Keaton, not Bacon.

I think it's best if I go get some sleep, and then start playing again, I'm obviously losing my mind, and seeing things.

Either that or your majorly fucking up and digging a bigger and bigger hole every single second, so your scum mates told you to be quiet.

[[ManiC]]

Jun 20, 2012 10:41:57 GMT -4 Kurt said:

I'm expecting there to be one more Mafia character, or a third faction we don't know of. Now, onto today:

T-marv: Chaz did not kill attempt to kill anyone.
Bacon: JamesV is town.
Kris: Tmarv is town/not Homer.

So, Kris/Tmarv...mind shedding some insight on this little "Oh, I think I know who you are" game? Kris's seems based on her role, but T-marvs doesn't, so I'd like to hear from Tmarv first about this.

It may be because I've just finished doing a day of Critical Thinking and Philosophy at college so I may be in over-sceptical mode, but can we trust Kris and Tmarv's explanation? I don't believe Kris was too active during the first day to know how she reacts, and TMarv and Kris knowing one another's roles/characters somehow (and TMarv's flimsy explanation of how he knows through the write-up) is it not possible that they are both Scum and may be working with one another? That said, if true then it is likely Chaz is scum considering what information TMarv did divulge, and I doubt the minor tiff between Chaz and Tmarv on day one was Scum organised (though possible, I don't know how experienced they are at this game) so I'm confused on whether or not I trust any of this information given.

/becomes a sceptical hermit in Springfield

[Calvin Ingram]

Computer issues aside i'm here and queer...get over it!!! Disregard the queer part.

[T-Marv]

Jun 20, 2012 12:49:54 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

Jun 20, 2012 10:41:57 GMT -4 Kurt said:

I'm expecting there to be one more Mafia character, or a third faction we don't know of. Now, onto today:

T-marv: Chaz did not kill attempt to kill anyone.
Bacon: JamesV is town.
Kris: Tmarv is town/not Homer.

So, Kris/Tmarv...mind shedding some insight on this little "Oh, I think I know who you are" game? Kris's seems based on her role, but T-marvs doesn't, so I'd like to hear from Tmarv first about this.

It may be because I've just finished doing a day of Critical Thinking and Philosophy at college so I may be in over-sceptical mode, but can we trust Kris and Tmarv's explanation? I don't believe Kris was too active during the first day to know how she reacts, and TMarv and Kris knowing one another's roles/characters somehow (and TMarv's flimsy explanation of how he knows through the write-up) is it not possible that they are both Scum and may be working with one another? That said, if true then it is likely Chaz is scum considering what information TMarv did divulge, and I doubt the minor tiff between Chaz and Tmarv on day one was Scum organised (though possible, I don't know how experienced they are at this game) so I'm confused on whether or not I trust any of this information given.

/becomes a sceptical hermit in Springfield

Are you serious?

I gave a great explanation....as good as I could give without breaking the rules or exposing myself or Kris for the Mafia to target.

So what, you want me to divulge all information so you and your scum buddies can take advantage of that.

[goodburn]

Jun 20, 2012 12:40:51 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Jun 20, 2012 12:29:42 GMT -4 goodburn said:

My mistake, again it was Keaton, not Bacon.

I think it's best if I go get some sleep, and then start playing again, I'm obviously losing my mind, and seeing things.

Either that or your majorly fucking up and digging a bigger and bigger hole every single second, so your scum mates told you to be quiet.

Well I'm certainly not going to sound like a broken record, and repeat myself over and over. I've already done my best trying to explain myself, there's no need for me to go on. If anybody needs to see why I was suspicious, they can just read above. And it isn't like I can frame Bacon, and magically make him vote for me first, that's just me being overwhelmed trying to keep track of everything. For what it's worth TMarv, sorry I got confused, I told you why I was suspicious, I'm not suspicious anymore. As far as I'm concerned, this is my first Mafia game, I'm not going to count the previous one for obvious reasons.

So I suppose either I honestly don't have anything to add about this whole situation, or my "scum mates" told me to be quiet. But I think it would be suspicious for all of a sudden for me to be quiet just because I drew some attention. But if I find anyting to add to the game, Ill do so.

[[ManiC]]

EBWOW:

This third party thing has also thrown me off. Kris and TMarv may be part of the third party and so would falsify their roles (I think anyway, third party wins by beating Mafia and Town doesn't it?) if they were. Until I get some more information from Kris I'm pointing the F.o.S at her (as I may just be looking too far into things).

F.o.S - Kris

[Michael Jennings]

Well looks like we lost the Governor from the look of it. I'm ASSUMING Mayor Quimby had that role and it also appears as if I was WAY off on day one with my suspects list. Looking at Goodburn right now as a good possibility. He's new and is already raising red flags with his posts. Gotta agre with Tmarv about Noble too. Seems like some info fishing there by Noble.

[[ManiC]]

"I used a night action" doesn't seem like a sufficient argument to me. I could claim that I know you're scum and then use "I used a night action" as my justification. As it turns out, I don't know your role and you and Kris may be telling the truth, but until I'm certain or just plain desperate I'm treating any information provided as suspicious.

Also; didn't you already kind of feed Kris to the sharks by saying if you revealed her role that'd make her the #1 Mafia target? Isn't that kind of like making her the Mafia target?

[Kurt]

Jun 20, 2012 12:29:42 GMT -4 goodburn said:

Jun 20, 2012 12:21:59 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Show me where Bacon was the first to vote today.

My mistake, again it was Keaton, not Bacon.

I think it's best if I go get some sleep, and then start playing again, I'm obviously losing my mind, and seeing things.

I would be more inclined to believe this if you hadn't made the point before about Bacon's vote. I'm always one to forgive slips of the tongue and other little mistakes, but not if there's a pattern.

Jun 20, 2012 12:49:54 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

It may be because I've just finished doing a day of Critical Thinking and Philosophy at college so I may be in over-sceptical mode, but can we trust Kris and Tmarv's explanation? I don't believe Kris was too active during the first day to know how she reacts, and TMarv and Kris knowing one another's roles/characters somehow (and TMarv's flimsy explanation of how he knows through the write-up) is it not possible that they are both Scum and may be working with one another? That said, if true then it is likely Chaz is scum considering what information TMarv did divulge, and I doubt the minor tiff between Chaz and Tmarv on day one was Scum organised (though possible, I don't know how experienced they are at this game) so I'm confused on whether or not I trust any of this information given.

/becomes a sceptical hermit in Springfield

I'm willing to believe both T-marv and Kris because such a little public display like that will essentially harm the other if one of them proves to be scum. I asked T-marv (not Kris) to divulge a bit on his theory because if he said something that turned out to be false later, it's on him. So again, I'm willing to believe them both for now.

Jun 20, 2012 13:01:54 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Well looks like we lost the Governor from the look of it. I'm ASSUMING Mayor Quimby had that role and it also appears as if I was WAY off on day one with my suspects list. Looking at Goodburn right now as a good possibility. He's new and is already raising red flags with his posts. Gotta agre with Tmarv about Noble too. Seems like some info fishing there by Noble.

Asking a person of interest (that you had eyes on yesterday) about a vague public display that they volunteered is info fishing? You're over-reaching a bit here.

Show me the statement about me that Tmarv made that you agree with. I very clearly wasn't asking for T-marv's information about his role, merely about his train of thought, which he didn't share. That's fine. I'll make my own conclusions about it. However, I would prefer you not misconstrue what just happened.

And on a related note, I had my game-related reasons for asking T-marv what I did.

[T-Marv]

Jun 20, 2012 13:07:24 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

"I used a night action" doesn't seem like a sufficient argument to me. I could claim that I know you're scum and then use "I used a night action" as my justification. As it turns out, I don't know your role and you and Kris may be telling the truth, but until I'm certain or just plain desperate I'm treating any information provided as suspicious.

Also; didn't you already kind of feed Kris to the sharks by saying if you revealed her role that'd make her the #1 Mafia target? Isn't that kind of like making her the Mafia target?

No... not exactly. Besides, it's in the rules not to character claim. That may go for other people's characters. But I'll tell you this much, my character was in the beginning part of the writeup, and I suspect as was Kris' if I'm correct in my findings, and if she was telling the truth that is. and if that's the case, then I'm assuming Chaz's was in the writeup as well.

You seem just to be pulling theories out of thin air and trying to discredit us...especially with that "they're probably 3rd party" thing.

Sure, there's no proof that I'm telling the truth....no proof that I'm not either. Sure, Kris and I could be covering each other's back, or....I could actually have a bit of SENSE enough to figure things out based on the writeup/kris' information.

[[ManiC]]

Jun 20, 2012 13:16:41 GMT -4 Kurt said:

I'm willing to believe both T-marv and Kris because such a little public display like that will essentially harm the other if one of them proves to be scum. I asked T-marv (not Kris) to divulge a bit on his theory because if he said something that turned out to be false later, it's on him. So again, I'm willing to believe them both for now.

I suppose I'll take that, but I'm keeping my F.o.S until something else arises. At least if they do end up being anti-town linked I'll be able to gloat (provided they [mafia or third party] haven't offed me by then).

[T-Marv]

Kurt....

I tried to explain my train of thought...but I really can't do it well without divulging roles/characters. Here, let me try again....

If Kris knows my character.... Then she obviously visited me last night.

I'm assuming that the writeup actually depicted things that truly happened last night.

Therefore reading the writeup ....knowing that Kris visited me last night I just plugged our names into the character roles in the writeup and surmised who Kris was....character wise.

if Kris wishes...and it's not above the rules...she can certainly tell you who I am if she wants.

That's about the best I can do Kurt.

I'm not trying to skirt your question...just trying to answer it the best way.