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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 28, 2012 22:02:26 GMT -4
I'll have more to offer tomorrow as long as I have power. I'm not home ATM.
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Post by T-Marv on Oct 28, 2012 22:08:39 GMT -4
Interesting.
Bravo to James V who nailed Jules last day phase, though I don't know how dangerous he was, he was still third party.
Am I wrong in thinking the night kill looks wierd? Does it seem that scum tried to kill somebody else and was roleblocked or that person was protected, and that other kill came from elsewhere?
I could be reading too much into it, just food for thought.
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Post by Reaver on Oct 28, 2012 22:26:06 GMT -4
did i see wat i thought i saw? the 3rd party got replaced maybe? well anyways, whoever did wat, GJ.
Vote:TJ
here's why: not only was he suspect during the last day with him arguing, but it was enuff for me to get some info. this guy is scum and we need to cap him out NOW!!
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Post by Reaver on Oct 28, 2012 22:26:56 GMT -4
ebwop....
terry, looks like the kill was protected and watched.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 28, 2012 22:36:00 GMT -4
Care to explain the information that u got there knuckles? I'm not asking for what you did last night just asking what you got on my because I may have gotten something from my action that could explain what you got.
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Post by Speede on Oct 28, 2012 22:40:19 GMT -4
Checking in. Will report more in the morning. Big Calc test tomorrow, and that's not gonna be fun.
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Post by Reaver on Oct 28, 2012 22:40:19 GMT -4
its pretty obviously implied TJ. so paired with the info i got, with ur scum vibes generating from day 2 then its fairly simple.
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Post by Mark Mania on Oct 28, 2012 22:46:27 GMT -4
Checking in.
Not a ton to report. No real news from last night on my part.
I'm interested to hear more on this Knuckles/TJ thing though.
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 22:52:38 GMT -4
He did visit Roy, so he didn't lie about that. I wanted to see if he lied about it. Roy... we need to know what you did... or tried to do last night to determine who TJ might be.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 28, 2012 22:56:07 GMT -4
its pretty obviously implied TJ. so paired with the info i got, with ur scum vibes generating from day 2 then its fairly simple. So u got a scum read on me and I can guarantee that's its false. So either your flat out lying, or your info got messed with. |
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Post by Reaver on Oct 28, 2012 22:59:54 GMT -4
This actually summarises my thinking on the matter too. However, the possibility of all three being scum? Well that only works for me if we're dealing with a completely inexperienced scum team. If there were an experienced member I'd expect he or she would be guiding these 'rookies', and would have especially put a cap on Yarmouth, who to me just comes across as a guy who isn't quite sure what he is doing. I'd be surprised if he turns up scum, my read right now is that he is a 'rookie' townie trying to be part of the game, but not entirely au fait with the mechanics of the game. Speede, he's playing this same card, but seems to have been called out by Kaylyn. While I doubt 'Knucklehead' was a personal attack, more a sarcastic (and lame) play on Knuckles' ID, I am getting some negatives vibes from him. However, we've been stung in this respect before (notably that idiot Gubayama in Misfits mafia), and I'll recourse to my point that if he is scum, I'd venture it is only part of an inexperienced scum team. TJ is a tad more experienced in these parts, so he gets less leeway. Agreed he got himself in a bit of twist with Kaylyn/James and very quickly got a tad defensive, but I'm not convinced that is enough to suggest with any certainty he is scum. I'm actually more concerned by James' early play at leading the town. Yeah, yeah I know you're an aggressive player, bud, but that appeal to your supposed authority is an unsound argument (as are all meta arguments), but to quickly switch the slant of your argument from 'I've got a proven record' to 'I play by what I see and feel' is a tad inconsistent. On top of that, if we're gonna be all meta about this, you did have some success in the last game and I still applaud you on using your role to single-handedly bring down both scum and third party (btw, you weren't then working with little, but concrete evidence), but you've also had your fair share of howlers (as we all have). These are the facts: we have nothing but a few suspicions, unsubstantiated hunches, and any shot would be into the dark. I'm not going to vote no lynch because I don't on principle, but as it stands I don't really see this day going in any other direction. Farq had it pinned. according to the write up, the scum feel as if they were being fucked with by the game maker who turned out to BE Farq after all. this to me makes perfect sense in the write up. see, right here^^. is it possible that we nailed all 3 scum right off the back? all i know is that based off of this, TJ is scum and (probably) Cato and that Peeta seems like the town doctor and Johanna is the watcher. Don't out urselves plz BUT given these circumstances, thats y i placed my vote. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Oct 28, 2012 23:06:14 GMT -4
Alright, I'm back in the country. Going to re-read what was posted at the end of the last day phase to catch up. Glad that we got rid of the third party since now we can at least not worry about them.
The only thing that jumped out to me was last day phase when Watson had mentioned a cop, Jeff had said that a cop could have failed (and I assumed we agreed that night roles were ineffective anyways given the black out) then explained that a cop role would be a reason why KJE is 100% Jeff's town...
Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 23:13:39 GMT -4
I'm actually more concerned by James' early play at leading the town. Yeah, yeah I know you're an aggressive player, bud, but that appeal to your supposed authority is an unsound argument (as are all meta arguments), but to quickly switch the slant of your argument from 'I've got a proven record' to 'I play by what I see and feel' is a tad inconsistent. On top of that, if we're gonna be all meta about this, you did have some success in the last game and I still applaud you on using your role to single-handedly bring down both scum and third party (btw, you weren't then working with little, but concrete evidence), but you've also had your fair share of howlers (as we all have). These are the facts: we have nothing but a few suspicions, unsubstantiated hunches, and any shot would be into the dark. I'm not going to vote no lynch because I don't on principle, but as it stands I don't really see this day going in any other direction. Yeah, everyone has howlers but I do want to point out that there is some suspect play going on and you worrying about someone trying to keep discussion going and having the same suspects list as you is suspect in itself. It makes no sense. I also like how you covertly are trying to turn this back around on me by using the 'I've got a proven record' to 'I play by what I see and feel' comments which is a very weak argument considering that what you see and feel determines how you use your night action, how you vote, etc. A vet player like yourself should know better than to come at me with that argument considering any other vet player will see right through it. I also like how you said I'm 'leading the town' when if you look at the vote count and the gameplay in general as far as the game goes that is CLEARLY not the case. The only thing I advocated was not having a no lynch and posted my top three suspects (TJ, Speede, Yarmouth). That's been it. So to say I'm trying to lead the town is an understatement when clearly all I'm doing is playing my own game. After Watson's comments and TJ's responses TJ is off my suspects list and now replaced by Jules. I think Jules was covertly tryng to set something up on me and likely one of the players on my list, one who is town, will get killed tonight and it's the perfect set up bait. I call those "Set Up Kills" which are done to kill one players and set up another by making it seem like they have bad game reads or to set up their lynch. Watson does make a good point about Kaylyn and Jeff. The only thing I can think of is Town Masons or the Rue thing in the write-up where she received something from another player. Only things it could be. Unvote
Vote: JulesFor planting the seeds for something the next day phase. Very obvious going by the comments that basically say "Don't listen to him even though I did going by my post and the analysis of his suspect list. He's trying to lead and control you." when that is entirely not the case at all. Gates, You're wrong with how I know Jeff is Town. James mentioned it within this quote here. I didn't state which option was correct, but its there. That and given what Jeff said at one point some time after narrows it all down if people pay attention and follow for clues. |
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 23:15:28 GMT -4
To hell with it. Once more I am going with my gut here. Roy keeps saying he has no information at all.
Last night there was a kill that was blocked from the looks of it.
TJ visited Roy.
Vote: Roy Speede
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 28, 2012 23:21:56 GMT -4
Knuckles, I'm telling you right now, I'm town and you may just be barking up the wrong tree.
Alright first things first, an updated list of characters
Which gives us 17 players
Betee
Wiress
"Distrcit Girl - 6"
Boy From District Six - B-Harvey (Dead)
Foxface
Thresh
Joannah Mason
Peetah Mellark
Rue
Finnick Odair
Mags
Katniss Everdeen
Haymitch Abernathy
Cato
Clove
Marvel
Glimmer
Seneca Crane - Jules (Dead)
Which gives us the 13/4/1 splits, which means we're down to 12/4. I don't think Haymitch is now third party otherwise I think L1 would have had them as green then purple, and not green only, we'll have to see come the next night.
F.o.S: Speede
I used my night action on him and no kill from the mafia, although my character was not in the write up, so thats why I'm not throwing the vote on him, just something to think about.
Two more things of note that I find interesting. There is a black out by Jules blocking all roles minus Harvey killing himself, which may have acted as a motivator role of sort, giving someone a pass through the black out, which, if given to the right person, a cop, the cop wouldn't get a town read on anyone as they would have, hopefully, used it on themselves to see if they were sane or not.
So then how does that explain KJE knowing how Jeff is 100 percent town, but Jeff comes out and say, he has no idea how she knows that. It may be covering for her suggestion earlier in the day convo, but if not, there's only one other way she knows 100 percent.
The other thing is, no party, scum or town killed Jules, it was, what seems to be, a NPC, due to no deaths by another hands, causing Jules to be "fired" from his job as game master.
Maybe that's what Harvey's suicide did, it stopped any death for the next 24 hours (Day and Night phase) I could be wrong but just throwing theories out there.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 28, 2012 23:23:11 GMT -4
To hell with it. Once more I am going with my gut here. Roy keeps saying he has no information at all. Last night there was a kill that was blocked from the looks of it. TJ visited Roy. Vote: Roy SpeedeI know why he didn't get any info, not that his role would lend to any info really. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Oct 28, 2012 23:23:32 GMT -4
Gates, You're wrong with how I know Jeff is Town. James mentioned it within this quote here. I didn't state which option was correct, but its there. That and given what Jeff said at one point some time after narrows it all down if people pay attention and follow for clues. *I* never questioned why you knew. I said that after Jeff shot down Nick's idea of a cop being useful due to the power outage, he then said that you could be a cop to know he's 100%. I'm not saying you're a cop. I'm saying that's what Jeff suggested. |
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 23:39:24 GMT -4
Gates, You're wrong with how I know Jeff is Town. James mentioned it within this quote here. I didn't state which option was correct, but its there. That and given what Jeff said at one point some time after narrows it all down if people pay attention and follow for clues. *I* never questioned why you knew. I said that after Jeff shot down Nick's idea of a cop being useful due to the power outage, he then said that you could be a cop to know he's 100%. I'm not saying you're a cop. I'm saying that's what Jeff suggested. Think about it. James suggested 2 ways... I told him he was right. Now, Jeff said he has no clue how, that tosses one of James Ideas out the window and leaves only one option. I am town. That much I know for Fact. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Oct 28, 2012 23:41:28 GMT -4
*I* never questioned why you knew. I said that after Jeff shot down Nick's idea of a cop being useful due to the power outage, he then said that you could be a cop to know he's 100%. I'm not saying you're a cop. I'm saying that's what Jeff suggested. Think about it. James suggested 2 ways... I told him he was right. Now, Jeff said he has no clue how, that tosses one of James Ideas out the window and leaves only one option. I am town. That much I know for Fact. I realize that, and I also realize this argument is pointless. I never questioned your townness. My post was directed at Jeff and how he claimed one thing as mostly impossible and then claimed it as a possibility... |
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 23:45:20 GMT -4
Maybe he was not really thinking? Either way, hes town so does it really make sense to focus on it?
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Post by Speede on Oct 28, 2012 23:45:37 GMT -4
Alright, can't sleep, so I'll give the update tonight...
First off, it's interesting that you think that just because I was trying to get some sleep and planned to update in the morning that I don't have any info at all. I tried to make a visit in Nick Watson's direction with a strong FoS, but wasn't given anything to go on, and apparently TJ visited me, and it makes me think I was roleblocked. Not 100% sure of the definition, but if TJ roleblocked me, then I wouldn't be able to have any info in the first place.
Another thing I'd like to mention, as well, is that Knuckles sounds surprisingly accurate, and with TJ being after me, it's giving me a pretty scummy feeling about him right now. As well, Kay's attacks on my make me think that she might be scum, working with TJ in an attempt to get me out of this game because I'm trying to learn how to play and am doing so, perhaps faster than they'd like, and am ratting them out before they can get the odds in their favor (hunger games reference not intended)
So as it stands..
FoS: Kaylyn, TJ.
Clean: Gates, Knuckles
Inconclusive thoughts: Nick Watson, Everybody else?
VOTE: TJ
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Post by Speede on Oct 28, 2012 23:46:00 GMT -4
ebwop
sorry, forgot to bold. VOTE: TJ
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 23:50:47 GMT -4
Alright, can't sleep, so I'll give the update tonight... First off, it's interesting that you think that just because I was trying to get some sleep and planned to update in the morning that I don't have any info at all. I tried to make a visit in Nick Watson's direction with a strong FoS, but wasn't given anything to go on, and apparently TJ visited me, and it makes me think I was roleblocked. Not 100% sure of the definition, but if TJ roleblocked me, then I wouldn't be able to have any info in the first place. Another thing I'd like to mention, as well, is that Knuckles sounds surprisingly accurate, and with TJ being after me, it's giving me a pretty scummy feeling about him right now. As well, Kay's attacks on my make me think that she might be scum, working with TJ in an attempt to get me out of this game because I'm trying to learn how to play and am doing so, perhaps faster than they'd like, and am ratting them out before they can get the odds in their favor (hunger games reference not intended) So as it stands.. FoS: Kaylyn, TJ. Clean: Gates, Knuckles Inconclusive thoughts: Nick Watson, Everybody else? VOTE: TJ For you to suspect me when James already stated he has a feeling of who I am... and he went and said who... just shows how sad that vote is. Seeing as it's you and Knuck going at TJ... if you turn up to be Scum... we know who else we should look at. |
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Post by KJE on Oct 28, 2012 23:52:49 GMT -4
Interesting. Bravo to James V who nailed Jules last day phase, though I don't know how dangerous he was, he was still third party. Am I wrong in thinking the night kill looks wierd? Does it seem that scum tried to kill somebody else and was roleblocked or that person was protected, and that other kill came from elsewhere? I could be reading too much into it, just food for thought. It looked like there was more than one kill in the process to me also. You're not alone in your thought process. |
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Post by Speede on Oct 28, 2012 23:53:30 GMT -4
If you think I'm scum, Kay, that's all well and good. The point is, you're inaccuracies will be the downfall of the entire town side of this game.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 29, 2012 0:05:03 GMT -4
Considering that I have been pretty accurate in this game, let me go ahead and vote.
Vote: TJ
I do not think you are town and haven't for awhile. Already have stated that your play has been suspect and I think one of the kills was doc protected and that all this is a smokescreen to get the heat onto a town player to cover up what is really going on.
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Post by KJE on Oct 29, 2012 0:24:21 GMT -4
James has been right so far...
Unvote Roy; Vote: TJ
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 29, 2012 0:24:53 GMT -4
Look all I was doing was putting out what I had. Not covering up for anything else. Knuckles is reading into something or building a case against me and speede is hopping on where as you were on me all day. So either your leading them, which I'm doubting atm or knuckles is leading them.
I mean I'm not lying when I say that I visited speede. I can't tell you anymore than that I used my power on him and it caused him not to get any info from last night, not that his role would get him much info in the first place. If you feel I'm scum for some bad play, I don't disagree that it was bad but I'm not scum and if your town ud be wise not to vote a fellow townie.
Hopefully someone can come up with some more info and I'm still around when I wake up
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Oct 29, 2012 0:27:10 GMT -4
James has been right so far... Unvote Roy; Vote: TJ He's about to be wrong, and just because he got the third party nabbed doesn't mean much. He could just as well be scum as town. Also if u read the write up no one party killed Jules, it seems to be a stipulation kill due to no kills only a suicide. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Oct 29, 2012 0:59:08 GMT -4
A stipulation kill? I don't think the mod can magically kill a player for a stipulation kill. Never seen that in a game. I'm thinking that it relates to the Rue book sequence from the previous write-up.
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