Post by Jules on Dec 3, 2012 18:56:49 GMT -4
Thanks to everyone for playing. I guess this one won't go down as the most exciting game of mafia in APW history.
Considering the outcome I thought I had overbalanced the game, but having thought about it a bit more, I'm convinced it wasn't as unbalanced as it may have seemed. If chance had swung the other way it could have been a very different game.
Fair play to the town, who played well and all used their roles well. Mafia got unlucky that the GF was taken out night 1. That gave the town a huge advantage.
A few things stand out for me. Jeff's role was probably a bit overpowered for the game. The lie detector gives me food for thought. Actually I came to dislike this role in the game and probably won't deploy with quite as much freedom in future. Nothing against Knuckles here, but I didn't like the 'I AM TOWN' tactic. It didn't break any rules, hence I didn't bar it, but I thought it wasn't in the spirit of the game. Again, this isn't a dig at Knuckles (who simply exploited his role to great effect), but in future games I'd probably curb this kind of move.
In the Dead QT the issue of the GF not being night-kill immune was raised. Maybe this is a tradition in APW, maybe it's not, but I've consulted three mafia sources and haven't found anything that says the GF is necessarily NK-immune. Even if it is an unwritten rule, I stand by my decision to give this power to SK not GF, especially since the GF was investigation-immune (both with NK-immunity would have been too much). If A.C. hadn't targeted James night I would be sceptical as to whether the question would have been raised at all.
Anyway....here are the roles.
1. Conan The Barbarian (Callahan)
You are the hulking barbarian, Conan. You have plenty of brawn, but very little brain. In fact you are barely able to string a sentence together and this effects your ability to speak each day.
Your role: Post Restricted Townie
You can speak during the day and vote, but you are limited to a maximum of three posts per day. Make them count. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
2. Mr. Olympia (President Jeff)
You are super-powered by your ‘roids, and you can help the town by giving someone some ‘roids to double their effectiveness.
Town role: Town ‘roids supplier (two-shot)
You have a two-time ability to give one player a shot of ‘roids, this will double their power during the next night phase. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
3. Julius Benedict (Knuckles)
You are Julius Benedict of the film Twins. Benedict is the product of a genetic experiment, whereby all good genes were passed to him in utero. You are so honest and goodness personified. If anyone tells a lie you are the one who can tell.
Your role: Town Lie Detector
At night, you can submit to the mod any sentence from the day’s chat. You will be told whether the sentence contains ‘truth’, ‘falsehood’, or is ‘inconclusive’. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
4. T-800 (Kurt)
You are a sophisticated cybernetic system sent back through time to protect, well, the good Arnies. You cannot be killed by bullets, but since you have been re-programmed your objective is now to protect and not terminate. Beware, however, because there is one among the crowd who has the power to ‘terminate’ you and there is always the possibility you may have your CPU removed by the town.
Your role: Town bulletproof shield
Each night you can choose a target to shield. They will not be killed, and neither will you. Moreover, you cannot be killed by bullets, but there is one among you that has the power to remove your CPU.
*MOD NOTE: This player can only be killed by lynch or by the hands of T-101.
5. John Matrix (Rebel)
You are a former Army nutcase who goes on a mad killing rampage in the film Commando because some Green Berets abduct your daughter.
Town role: Vengeful Townie
You have no night action, but if someone tries to take you down, you will take them with you....TO HELL! Oh, you won’t be back if that happens. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
*MOD NOTE: If given a ‘roids injection and lynched the next day this player will take the first and hammer votes on him. Otherwise he takes the hitman as normal.
6. Douglas Quaid (Kaylyn)
Are you Douglas Quaid, or are you Hauser? Well you’re both, except you’re only Douglas Quaid. Although Hauser is out there somewhere and the two of you are connected. If he dies, so do you (you are the same entity after all).
Your role: Town Sibling Lightning Rod
You are connected to Hauser. Any action directed at him will be re-directed to you, likewise any action targeting him will be re-directed to you. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
7. John Kimble (Mark Mania)
You are a cop by trade, but somehow you ended up teaching kindergarten. Nevertheless, once a cop always a cop and you’re job is to find the bad guys.
Your role: Town cop
Every night you can investigate one person. You will be informed of their guilt or innocence. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
MOD NOTE: Is sane.
8. Harry Tasker (T-Marv)
You are a spy living a double life (aren’t we all?). You have access to all sorts of surveillance tools that nobody else does. You win if the town wins.
Your role: Town Spy
On even nights you can track one player and find out who they visit; on odd nights you can watch one player and find out who visited them. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
9. Dr. Alex Hesse (Level-One)
You are a natural aberration – a man who has a baby. Nevertheless you are a doctor and you can heal people.
Your role: Town doctor
You can protect any player from night kill (including yourself and without limits) – just target them and they won’t die. But watch out, you don’t have the usual Arnie toughness, so you can killed. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
10. U.S. Marshall John Kruger (Roy Speede)
You work for a government agency that ‘erases’ bad guys. You can’t quite do that here, but you can put a stop to their nightly machinations.
Your role: Town Roleblocker
You can target one player at night and prevent them from performing any night actions they have. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Mafia
Mr. Freeze (Yarmouth)
You are an aberration on Arnie’s illustrious career. You are that performance he wishes he could take back. Nevertheless, you are a villain so you act accordingly.
Your role: Mafia Roleblocker/Silencer
You can target one player at night and freeze them. This prevents them from performing any night actions they have, as well as rendering them silent for the next day phase. You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
Hauser (Buckson Gooch)
Are you Hauser, or are you Douglas Quaid? Well you’re both, except you’re only Hauser. Although Quaid is out there somewhere and the two of you are connected.
Your role: Mafia Sibling Lightning Rod
You are connected to Douglas Quaid. Any action directed at him will be re-directed to you, likewise any action targeting him will be re-directed to you. Also, if he is killed you will die too (since you are the same entity). You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
Governor Schwarznegger (JamesV)
Because you are a politician you are the worst Schwarzenegger of them all. You are the boss, the guy who decides it all. Without you the bad Arnie’s are unable to carry out their malicious intent to make Arnold Schwarzenegger ‘Bad Arnie’. Also, you political power gives you additional influence over the world you inhabit.
Your role: Mafia Godfather/One-shot double voter
The mafia can only kill if you are alive, even though you are not the one who kills. You are investigation immune, which means you return an ‘innocent’ result every time the cop investigates you. In addition you have a one-time ability to make your vote count twice. You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
MOD NOTE: Takes on the role of killer if Trench dies.
Trench (TJ)
You are a mercenary killer, hired by Governor Schwarzenegger to carry out his dastardly plans. You make the kills, but only as long as the Governor is there to finance you.
Your role: Mafia Hitman
You make the kills for your faction, however you will only be able to kill as long as your Godfather is alive. You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
Third Party
T-101 (A.C. Smith)
You are a cybernetic organism sent through time to TERMINATE. There is no John Connor here, but you have orders to annihilate the rest of Arnie’s alter egos.
Your role: Third Party Bulletproof Serial Killer
You have a night kill. You can target anyone. You need to be the last Arnie personality standing to win. You are also bulletproof.
Something inside the mind of Austria’s finest export, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, is not right. It seems his psyche is a very fractured one and in this chaotic world his ‘personalities’ are engaged in a battle that will live long in history.
There are those who strive to keep Arnie’s mind true and good, while there are some who wish to take control and turn Arnie onto the dark side; not to mention some whose only intention seems to be disorder and destruction. But who will prevail?
MOD NOTE: This player can only be killed by lynch.
Considering the outcome I thought I had overbalanced the game, but having thought about it a bit more, I'm convinced it wasn't as unbalanced as it may have seemed. If chance had swung the other way it could have been a very different game.
Fair play to the town, who played well and all used their roles well. Mafia got unlucky that the GF was taken out night 1. That gave the town a huge advantage.
A few things stand out for me. Jeff's role was probably a bit overpowered for the game. The lie detector gives me food for thought. Actually I came to dislike this role in the game and probably won't deploy with quite as much freedom in future. Nothing against Knuckles here, but I didn't like the 'I AM TOWN' tactic. It didn't break any rules, hence I didn't bar it, but I thought it wasn't in the spirit of the game. Again, this isn't a dig at Knuckles (who simply exploited his role to great effect), but in future games I'd probably curb this kind of move.
In the Dead QT the issue of the GF not being night-kill immune was raised. Maybe this is a tradition in APW, maybe it's not, but I've consulted three mafia sources and haven't found anything that says the GF is necessarily NK-immune. Even if it is an unwritten rule, I stand by my decision to give this power to SK not GF, especially since the GF was investigation-immune (both with NK-immunity would have been too much). If A.C. hadn't targeted James night I would be sceptical as to whether the question would have been raised at all.
Anyway....here are the roles.
1. Conan The Barbarian (Callahan)
You are the hulking barbarian, Conan. You have plenty of brawn, but very little brain. In fact you are barely able to string a sentence together and this effects your ability to speak each day.
Your role: Post Restricted Townie
You can speak during the day and vote, but you are limited to a maximum of three posts per day. Make them count. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
2. Mr. Olympia (President Jeff)
You are super-powered by your ‘roids, and you can help the town by giving someone some ‘roids to double their effectiveness.
Town role: Town ‘roids supplier (two-shot)
You have a two-time ability to give one player a shot of ‘roids, this will double their power during the next night phase. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
3. Julius Benedict (Knuckles)
You are Julius Benedict of the film Twins. Benedict is the product of a genetic experiment, whereby all good genes were passed to him in utero. You are so honest and goodness personified. If anyone tells a lie you are the one who can tell.
Your role: Town Lie Detector
At night, you can submit to the mod any sentence from the day’s chat. You will be told whether the sentence contains ‘truth’, ‘falsehood’, or is ‘inconclusive’. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
4. T-800 (Kurt)
You are a sophisticated cybernetic system sent back through time to protect, well, the good Arnies. You cannot be killed by bullets, but since you have been re-programmed your objective is now to protect and not terminate. Beware, however, because there is one among the crowd who has the power to ‘terminate’ you and there is always the possibility you may have your CPU removed by the town.
Your role: Town bulletproof shield
Each night you can choose a target to shield. They will not be killed, and neither will you. Moreover, you cannot be killed by bullets, but there is one among you that has the power to remove your CPU.
*MOD NOTE: This player can only be killed by lynch or by the hands of T-101.
5. John Matrix (Rebel)
You are a former Army nutcase who goes on a mad killing rampage in the film Commando because some Green Berets abduct your daughter.
Town role: Vengeful Townie
You have no night action, but if someone tries to take you down, you will take them with you....TO HELL! Oh, you won’t be back if that happens. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
*MOD NOTE: If given a ‘roids injection and lynched the next day this player will take the first and hammer votes on him. Otherwise he takes the hitman as normal.
6. Douglas Quaid (Kaylyn)
Are you Douglas Quaid, or are you Hauser? Well you’re both, except you’re only Douglas Quaid. Although Hauser is out there somewhere and the two of you are connected. If he dies, so do you (you are the same entity after all).
Your role: Town Sibling Lightning Rod
You are connected to Hauser. Any action directed at him will be re-directed to you, likewise any action targeting him will be re-directed to you. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
7. John Kimble (Mark Mania)
You are a cop by trade, but somehow you ended up teaching kindergarten. Nevertheless, once a cop always a cop and you’re job is to find the bad guys.
Your role: Town cop
Every night you can investigate one person. You will be informed of their guilt or innocence. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
MOD NOTE: Is sane.
8. Harry Tasker (T-Marv)
You are a spy living a double life (aren’t we all?). You have access to all sorts of surveillance tools that nobody else does. You win if the town wins.
Your role: Town Spy
On even nights you can track one player and find out who they visit; on odd nights you can watch one player and find out who visited them. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
9. Dr. Alex Hesse (Level-One)
You are a natural aberration – a man who has a baby. Nevertheless you are a doctor and you can heal people.
Your role: Town doctor
You can protect any player from night kill (including yourself and without limits) – just target them and they won’t die. But watch out, you don’t have the usual Arnie toughness, so you can killed. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
10. U.S. Marshall John Kruger (Roy Speede)
You work for a government agency that ‘erases’ bad guys. You can’t quite do that here, but you can put a stop to their nightly machinations.
Your role: Town Roleblocker
You can target one player at night and prevent them from performing any night actions they have. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Mafia
Mr. Freeze (Yarmouth)
You are an aberration on Arnie’s illustrious career. You are that performance he wishes he could take back. Nevertheless, you are a villain so you act accordingly.
Your role: Mafia Roleblocker/Silencer
You can target one player at night and freeze them. This prevents them from performing any night actions they have, as well as rendering them silent for the next day phase. You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
Hauser (Buckson Gooch)
Are you Hauser, or are you Douglas Quaid? Well you’re both, except you’re only Hauser. Although Quaid is out there somewhere and the two of you are connected.
Your role: Mafia Sibling Lightning Rod
You are connected to Douglas Quaid. Any action directed at him will be re-directed to you, likewise any action targeting him will be re-directed to you. Also, if he is killed you will die too (since you are the same entity). You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
Governor Schwarznegger (JamesV)
Because you are a politician you are the worst Schwarzenegger of them all. You are the boss, the guy who decides it all. Without you the bad Arnie’s are unable to carry out their malicious intent to make Arnold Schwarzenegger ‘Bad Arnie’. Also, you political power gives you additional influence over the world you inhabit.
Your role: Mafia Godfather/One-shot double voter
The mafia can only kill if you are alive, even though you are not the one who kills. You are investigation immune, which means you return an ‘innocent’ result every time the cop investigates you. In addition you have a one-time ability to make your vote count twice. You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
MOD NOTE: Takes on the role of killer if Trench dies.
Trench (TJ)
You are a mercenary killer, hired by Governor Schwarzenegger to carry out his dastardly plans. You make the kills, but only as long as the Governor is there to finance you.
Your role: Mafia Hitman
You make the kills for your faction, however you will only be able to kill as long as your Godfather is alive. You win when all means to eliminate the mafia have been prevented.
Mafia QT: www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qZMp6p9MHmB
Third Party
T-101 (A.C. Smith)
You are a cybernetic organism sent through time to TERMINATE. There is no John Connor here, but you have orders to annihilate the rest of Arnie’s alter egos.
Your role: Third Party Bulletproof Serial Killer
You have a night kill. You can target anyone. You need to be the last Arnie personality standing to win. You are also bulletproof.
Something inside the mind of Austria’s finest export, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, is not right. It seems his psyche is a very fractured one and in this chaotic world his ‘personalities’ are engaged in a battle that will live long in history.
There are those who strive to keep Arnie’s mind true and good, while there are some who wish to take control and turn Arnie onto the dark side; not to mention some whose only intention seems to be disorder and destruction. But who will prevail?
MOD NOTE: This player can only be killed by lynch.
) It was great and I would play another Jules game!
