WWE is stagnant

[Smash INC]

I don't give a damn about Mania now.

[Level-Two]

I don't even watch wrestling and I saw it coming. I tuned into the Rumble just for the hell of it during The Rock/Punk match after hearing Cena won the rumble.

Wasn't the plan a year ago to have a Cena Vs. The Rock Part II at Mania after the first one went down? Since it's the same exact main event match from last year, no surprise they slapped a belt on one of them to up the anty this time around.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jan 28, 2013 7:01:56 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

I don't even watch wrestling and I saw it coming. I tuned into the Rumble just for the hell of it during The Rock/Punk match after hearing Cena won the rumble.

Wasn't the plan a year ago to have a Cena Vs. The Rock Part II at Mania after the first one went down? Since it's the same exact main event match from last year, no surprise they slapped a belt on one of them to up the anty this time around.

The whole show was one of the worst I've ever seen. The Rumble started off hot with Jericho making a surprise return and Ziggler sold it perfectly. The ending was ridiculous and anti-climatic. The Cena win all but cemented the fact that the Rock was going over and taking the championship.

Rhodes Scholars vs. Bryan/Kane solved absolutely nothing. Basically, you have Rhodes/Sandow losing what, four straight times? You can't give them the belts now... it doesn't make any sense. I'm assuming we're heading to a Bryan and Kane match at WrestleMania and they'll drop the belts at the Elimination Chamber.

ADR/Big Show was predictable. At least the story telling made sense with Del Rio focusing on Big Show's shoulder and then forcing him to be in a position where he couldn't get up because of it.

The Rock vs Punk was awful. The blown spot on the table completely took the air out of the match, IMO. You have a champion for 434 days and you end it with an elbow drop? Could you imagine the heat that Punk would have received from the crowd had he kicked out and the match lasted another five minutes? Now, is the Rock going to compete in the Chamber or are we going to have to go through 8 weeks of the Rock vs. Cena without the Rock wrestling once?

An absolute useless PPV.

[amyzing]

Since Raw 1000, when the Rock announced he would challenge for the WWE Championship at the Royal Rumble, I have been predicting John Cena VS The Rock II for the WWE Championship. You HAD to see The Rock taking the title.

I really couldn't see The Rock getting a title shot at the Royal Rumble and losing the match. Nor could I see John Cena winning the title from CM Punk and losing the title to the Rock at the Rumble. Rock has to pass the torch and I think it's time. No one else made sense to win the Rumble other than John Cena this time.


However, I think we can all agree that whatever WWE does, it is still better than TNA...especially now with their 4 live ppvs and 8 taped...yeah...they suck

[The Main Attraction]

Jan 28, 2013 10:13:18 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

Jan 28, 2013 7:01:56 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

You have a champion for 434 days and you end it with an elbow drop?

An absolute useless PPV.

[C.J. Gates]

I was out last night so I came back and decided to check the results. First thing I saw, Rock won, and I completely gave up caring.

I know it doesn't really matter to WWE but when you run Rock vs. Cena at last years Wrestlemania and label it as the one time it's going to happen, and then no-so-subtley build to a second meeting...it just kinda ruins it. And maybe not ruins it in the sense that the first match was any good, but ruins the whole selling it as a one time thing.

As for the EC? I can't see Rock wrestling in it for some reason, and can only see something along the lines of a #1 contender EC that either ends with Cena winning or someone else winning, interjecting themselves into the match, but that doesn't make sense.

Overall, I agree with Rebel. Useless PPV. I wouldn't say that WWE is stagnant, I would just say that their predictable and annoying. They had a great thing going with Punk and now...what? Rock vs. Cena and Punk goes on to do something completely unrelated to the title he just had?

[The Main Attraction]

For me I went out with WDWJ last night to a sports pub as we usually do for WWE PPVs, and everyone's reaction with the Sheild attack the Rock was priceless. We all thought Punk was taking too much time to pin him, and when he did and won it was like WOW. Punk winning like that was cool, he found a loophole with the lights being off so I could live with that. But after having Vince restart the match and for it to go less than 5 Minutes with a elbow drop was bullshit. It really ruined Punk's reign and his whole changing the template. You got the Rock coming from really nowhere and he beats the champ after pretty much years of inactivity. It ruined the night for me but it makes no sense for Rock/Cena II. I don't want to see it.

[Pepsi]

I am really hoping they turn the main event into a triple threat with Punk vs Cena vs Rock. The year that Punk has had deserves to be rewarded with a Mania main event. He has earned it by working his butt off throughout the year. Plus Cena vs Rock 2 just doesn't pack the punch that I think WWE would like it to. This needs to be a triple threat match, and I hope WWE goes with it.

[C.J. Gates]

Jan 28, 2013 14:13:29 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

I am really hoping they turn the main event into a triple threat with Punk vs Cena vs Rock. The year that Punk has had deserves to be rewarded with a Mania main event. He has earned it by working his butt off throughout the year. Plus Cena vs Rock 2 just doesn't pack the punch that I think WWE would like it to. This needs to be a triple threat match, and I hope WWE goes with it.

This is what I thought. Have Punk win the EC and challenge Rock and Cena at WM.

But of course, this might mean WWE won't go with it..

[Speede]

My opinion is pretty much summed up by another friend I had who posted this elsewhere...

As for the whole Punk/Rock debacle, I said it in chat last night and still think it would have been better for Maddox to be the interference, thus not allowing punk to be stripped, and as Vince and Co look on, Punk, Heyman, et al laugh all they way to the back for pulling one over on Vince yet again. Plus I think it would have been better for someone like Ziggler, or Miz, or hell, even Ryback to win the rumble, and have good booking build through the EC and into 'Mania. The Rock/Cena II match could still be set up and even with a WWE Title match. Don't just have the Rock win first match out, make him have several, even with teases. Guys like the Rock, and even Cena to a degree need to be used to give rubs to the younger stars, even smaller rubs. And, yes, I know that the belt on Rock move was done to make money and bring back lost fans, but fuck me there are better, more creative ways to do that...

[The Soul Of Philly]

Let's see, who is gonna get on the edge fans and barely causal fans to buy Mania?

WWE in the smarks eyes is stagnant and will continue to bitch about the product, threaten to leave, and then tune into WWE the next week. And those who do leave, are just hilariously bitter. I laugh when there are posts like Saint's "I dont even care about Mania this year" solely for ONE match. But hte truth is, Saint, you'll find an illegal stream to watch Mania, so you care enough to find a stream.

Honestly, did anyone expect anything different when Rock announced he'd be at WM29? If so, you were a fool and deserve to feel like you were robbed of a "proper" match.

Punk will probably end up facing Taker in some facet if he doesn't get a way into the WWE title match. Honestly, if Taker and Vince agree on it, I could see Punk ending the streak I honestly felt that Rock was gonna win but I had a 15% chance of Punk winning it. At the time, I felt like Cole fucked up by saying that it was teh shield. Part of me thought he wasn't meant to say it and it wouldn't be the first time they've had to change because the announce team made a misstep. But at the end of the day, I saw it coming and wasn't shocked by any means.

[Level-Two]

Priceless.

[Mark Mania]

Cena! Cena! Cena!

[Johnny Rebel]

Jan 28, 2013 21:39:50 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Priceless.

There is a part two.

[Streets Wilson]

I can understand most of what people are saying here but... not really the whining about the rock winning with The peoples elbow.... its his finishing move (yeah I know the other ones the rock bottom....) Wtf are you even trying to complain about. I saw it and it looked like it HURT. He layed it right in there.

[Smash INC]

Jan 28, 2013 19:20:30 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Let's see, who is gonna get on the edge fans and barely causal fans to buy Mania?

WWE in the smarks eyes is stagnant and will continue to bitch about the product, threaten to leave, and then tune into WWE the next week. And those who do leave, are just hilariously bitter. I laugh when there are posts like Saint's "I dont even care about Mania this year" solely for ONE match. But hte truth is, Saint, you'll find an illegal stream to watch Mania, so you care enough to find a stream.

Honestly, did anyone expect anything different when Rock announced he'd be at WM29? If so, you were a fool and deserve to feel like you were robbed of a "proper" match.

Punk will probably end up facing Taker in some facet if he doesn't get a way into the WWE title match. Honestly, if Taker and Vince agree on it, I could see Punk ending the streak I honestly felt that Rock was gonna win but I had a 15% chance of Punk winning it. At the time, I felt like Cole fucked up by saying that it was teh shield. Part of me thought he wasn't meant to say it and it wouldn't be the first time they've had to change because the announce team made a misstep. But at the end of the day, I saw it coming and wasn't shocked by any means.

I knew it was the most likely outcome but I wanted to believe that the Rumble would be used to elevate someone to main event status rather than maintaining the status quo.

I can understand it, but I constantly look at the product and wonder how the hell they will have a sustainable main event scene in five years when the current one has all but left. Cena's not far off Rock's age, ADR is supposed to be gone in a couple of years, Orton is on his last suspension and Sheamus isn't especially young.

I had a bunch of reasons to dispute you but they're subjective enough that they wouldn't be as factual as I'd like.

The bottom line is with the internet and the wide array of options to view wrestling I have no reason as a fan to settle for disappointment by 'the only game in town.' To have something I was once so passionate about become a show to have on as background noise is heartbreaking, but at least I can click a few links and watch something new.

I probably am bitter, but that serves me better than sitting down and taking the constant stagnation and disappointment.

[Trevor Hyatt]

Jan 28, 2013 19:20:30 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Let's see, who is gonna get on the edge fans and barely causal fans to buy Mania?

WWE in the smarks eyes is stagnant and will continue to bitch about the product, threaten to leave, and then tune into WWE the next week. And those who do leave, are just hilariously bitter. I laugh when there are posts like Saint's "I dont even care about Mania this year" solely for ONE match. But hte truth is, Saint, you'll find an illegal stream to watch Mania, so you care enough to find a stream.

Honestly, did anyone expect anything different when Rock announced he'd be at WM29? If so, you were a fool and deserve to feel like you were robbed of a "proper" match.

Punk will probably end up facing Taker in some facet if he doesn't get a way into the WWE title match. Honestly, if Taker and Vince agree on it, I could see Punk ending the streak I honestly felt that Rock was gonna win but I had a 15% chance of Punk winning it. At the time, I felt like Cole fucked up by saying that it was teh shield. Part of me thought he wasn't meant to say it and it wouldn't be the first time they've had to change because the announce team made a misstep. But at the end of the day, I saw it coming and wasn't shocked by any means.

Since most ppvs are posted in full no the internet in a week or less it's easy to skip the ppv altogether. I only saw bits of Raw last night with The Sheild attack, Y2J and Ziggler's match and Brock's return. I missed Rock's appearance. I might youtube it but it's like not interesting a product anymore.

[Pepsi]

I haven't purchased a PPV since Summer Slam 2001. After Vince bought WCW the product really took a dive for me. Both organizations brought competition to the other and made the others try to up their game. Though my interest in the product is quite low, and a John Cena vs The Rock main event at Wrestlemania leaves me less than excited, I will still download it at the first possible chance. Wrestlemania always has ups and downs, and the Main Event is rarely the highlight of the night. In fact the only times I can think 2 times of the last 8 where the main event produced the match of the night was Wrestlemania 26 Taker vs HBK, Wrestlemania 23 Shawn vs Cena. There will always be another reason to watch.

All that in mind, I think the idea of main eventing with the same match 2 times in a row would be a huge mistake. The last time they did that was Wrestlemania 9 and 10, and that was a time where the roster was very weak. Especially since last year was billed as a Once In A Lifetime match. I honestly think they will add Punk to the match and make it a three way. There will probably some type of shenanigans at Elimination Chamber that causes the title to be half up and all three men will decide it at Mania. That's the only way I can see them injecting real heat into the match.

[Reaver]

Jan 28, 2013 21:52:09 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

Jan 28, 2013 21:39:50 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Priceless.

There is a part two.

thanx for the post rebs

[Streets Wilson]

Vince Macmahon is out of touch, period. The current product of WWE reminds me so much of WCW at the end that its literally scary. The same 1 or 2 stale guys that seemingly no one wants to see anyway are stuck at the top. While the people who should be getting a chance of some sort struggle in the mid-lower card, and the best people probably don't even work for the company to begin with. The storylines are beyond laughable, and you know EXACTLY what is going to happen 10 minutes before it occurs. Its a joke. When I think about how excited I used to be when that glass broke for Stone Colds music for example, and then how now the only reason I'll even TOLERATE having raw or smackdown on nowadays is because my younger brother is watching it, it really does make me sad inside. Because obviously anyone of us wierdos on these forums loves wrestling to an extent probably beyond the casual fan... it really is sad that the supposed "big show" is the worst one out there. I still watch the PPV's (for free) basically out of habit only. Nastalgia for the times when you'd actually be excited for an event. All your friends would get together and pool your money and actually watch the shit together, and be screaming at that t.v set because you actually gave a shit what was going on. Look at those crowds back in the day, (any day really, 80's 90's. even a hot premotion in the 70's) look at those crowds. Their excited to be their. Kids, adults you name it. Its amazing. Its inspiring even. Then look at the crowd at a show nowadays on WWE tv... its really sad. They look they don't even want to be there for the most part. Unless its the Undertaker and or one of "THE main guys" like Cena or The Rock... its generally a pathetically dead crowd. (obviously there's exceptions. But their pretty rare). That's how I feel about it. And believe me, that's not how I WANT to feel about it. I still like to watch certain other promotions though. And finally, is it so damn hard to believe for anybody that there's a lot of people out there who like good actual wrestling? I mean you know theres a problem when people are literally quitting the company simply because the product is so shitty (Batista for example) If the wrestlers themselves are fed up... you know its gone too far.