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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 12:07:57 GMT -4
maybe it was default, all i no is that im town now and i have certain things that r obligated to me beyond my control.
it was more directed at havok than u anyways but my argument is how is it that this many people r claiming the same thing when its obvious that the write up has 2 of u guys going to anti-town factions? i think its a bandwagon and the only difference is that im offering more than saying, "oh i just suddenly became town now"
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Post by Pepsi on Mar 23, 2013 12:15:05 GMT -4
maybe it was default, all i no is that im town now and i have certain things that r obligated to me beyond my control. it was more directed at havok than u anyways but my argument is how is it that this many people r claiming the same thing when its obvious that the write up has 2 of u guys going to anti-town factions? i think its a bandwagon and the only difference is that im offering more than saying, "oh i just suddenly became town now" My guess is that there were several neutral roles, and some were recruited and some were not. I agree that it would be pretty easy for someone to claim this happened to make themselves seem less threatening, however I don't see your logic in assuming that Stone is lying as he was the first to come out with this info. If he was recruited as scum or third party, how would he know that those not recruited would default to town? |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Mar 23, 2013 12:17:08 GMT -4
maybe it was default, all i no is that im town now and i have certain things that r obligated to me beyond my control. it was more directed at havok than u anyways but my argument is how is it that this many people r claiming the same thing when its obvious that the write up has 2 of u guys going to anti-town factions? i think its a bandwagon and the only difference is that im offering more than saying, "oh i just suddenly became town now" My guess is that there were several neutral roles, and some were recruited and some were not. I agree that it would be pretty easy for someone to claim this happened to make themselves seem less threatening, however I don't see your logic in assuming that Stone is lying as he was the first to come out with this info. If he was recruited as scum or third party, how would he know that those not recruited would default to town? I don't think we're dealing with a "scum" team here. I'm going to guess that our setup is going to be very close to L1's "Mafia Mafia" game, where there were three factions and you had to outlast the others. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Mar 23, 2013 12:27:28 GMT -4
My guess is that there were several neutral roles, and some were recruited and some were not. This is what I was thinking. On day one we had Jamie Lannister and Robb Stark both in plain text. Jamie went red while Jon Snow got turned purple. I think that there were probably a few neutrals out there that could have been recruited and the ones that weren't were probably turned town like Stone said. |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Mar 23, 2013 12:54:58 GMT -4
My guessing is that there are "Rounds" of recruiting. My theory of "rounds of recruiting" is that for every recruit, there is a neutral that turns town. The night results say there was 2 recruitments, which according to my theory, means two people turned town. We have 3 people claiming that. If my theory has ANY bit to it, that means one of these three, Stone, Shields and Knuckles, is lying.
Vote: Knuckles
It may be coincidence, but I did something to knuckles last night and the lack of a night write up from the other third party leads me to think Knuckles isn't telling the truth. I'm about 80/20 that he's lying.
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Post by Pepsi on Mar 23, 2013 13:20:46 GMT -4
My guessing is that there are "Rounds" of recruiting. My theory of "rounds of recruiting" is that for every recruit, there is a neutral that turns town. The night results say there was 2 recruitments, which according to my theory, means two people turned town. We have 3 people claiming that. If my theory has ANY bit to it, that means one of these three, Stone, Shields and Knuckles, is lying. Vote: KnucklesIt may be coincidence, but I did something to knuckles last night and the lack of a night write up from the other third party leads me to think Knuckles isn't telling the truth. I'm about 80/20 that he's lying. There's actually 4 of us claiming to have turned town, as I have stated that it happened to me as well. I think it would be ridiculous to base a vote off of your personal theory. |
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Post by Chris Shields on Mar 23, 2013 13:47:53 GMT -4
Here's the thing that stands out to me. Myself and Stone are saying we WERE NOT recruited, while Knuckles is saying he was recruited and that makes him town. I didn't see a town recruit, I saw a scum recruit and a third party recruit. My theory is, there were multiple people who had neutral vanilla roles, and if they weren't recruited by scum, or one of the other two 3rd party groups, they became town by default. All I know is that I went from being non aligned vanilla to town aligned because I wasn't recruited. If Knuckles is saying he was recruited then I'm thinking he's either scum or 3rd party now. I think he stuck his foot in his mouth and I feel comfortable with this. Vote: Knuckles
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 14:03:19 GMT -4
again, i can prove im town. what exactly did u do to me TJ? is it wat i think it is?
if you RB'd me it was useless since i dont have a nite role. in fact, its a day role and my target day 1 was jamesV. so anything that u did to me last nite would have come up as u doing it to james, not me.
i seriously need u to confirm wat u did. we may or may not have our first lynch that helps the town greatly.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 23, 2013 14:16:45 GMT -4
again, i can prove im town. what exactly did u do to me TJ? is it wat i think it is? if you RB'd me it was useless since i dont have a nite role. in fact, its a day role and my target day 1 was jamesV. so anything that u did to me last nite would have come up as u doing it to james, not me. i seriously need u to confirm wat u did. we may or may not have our first lynch that helps the town greatly. How would it come up as doing it to me and not you? That makes no sense and is the main reason why you are getting a vote from me. NO WAY does a day action lead to the person you targetted taking your place when you are targetted. NEVER seen that before. Also in these cases your day action DOES NOT carry over into the night phase. Shields, your vanilla theory is correct. That's why I mentionned being suspect of the people who jumped on the people who said it happened to them earlier. Vote: Knuckles |
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Post by Matt Stone on Mar 23, 2013 14:25:46 GMT -4
I'm relieved to see that others have come forth with the information they were able to, even if it was just that they weren't recruited. I agree with the lynch based on everything that has been said so far.
Vote: Knuckles
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 14:38:34 GMT -4
^^ ya, this is bandwagon voting or anything....
i dont care wat uve seen before james, its wat is happening. if/when u guys lynch me, ull see my role and ability so regardless wat happens james would be the next possible choice.
i had to PM terry a few times to confirm how it works so ya im just as confused but according wo wat i was told, whoever targets me at nite will get a result of who i target during the day. for the record, lester was my target today.
here r my cards on the table, do with it wat u want. im green town as of last nite with 3 stipulations which again, nobody else "who suddenly went town last nite" has mentioned other than me. i will be ordered to do something at the behest of somebody elses will so go ahead and lynch me. prove me right......learn my role and see im telling the truth.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 14:44:35 GMT -4
ebwop:
4. ROLECLAIMING IS ALLOWED! Though, it won't help you much. All roles are customized for this game, and some roles will be duplicated.
since i can, im going to.
all roles r customized remember? im a shapeshifter. as of nite 1 i was jamesV and as of rite now, im L-O. so TJ, wat did u do to me nite 1 again?
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 23, 2013 15:02:29 GMT -4
VOTE COUNT:
Knuckles - 3(TJ, Matt Stone, Chris Shields)
Yes, this is correct.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 15:08:52 GMT -4
wait, this means that somebodies vote on me shows up as TJ's. and somebody else's isnt counted.
Vote: James
this is just until i can get confirmation from TJ. im also interested in seeing how mine looks
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 23, 2013 15:09:16 GMT -4
^^ ya, this is bandwagon voting or anything.... i dont care wat uve seen before james, its wat is happening. if/when u guys lynch me, ull see my role and ability so regardless wat happens james would be the next possible choice. LOL lynch me because you got outed. I'm betting you were blocked or kept from recruiting. I also like who you said all of this "I targetted JamesV" stuff only after getting heat on you which I think is a red herring to keep yourself from being lynched. Also a lot of players were Unaligned Vanillas day one including myself. UNALIGNED. Meaning if you even have been paying attention to anything you'd know that and the other players who got new roles this day phase who were also not recruited/still unaligned got new town roles. In other words you'd know that if you were town aligned. ebwop: 4. ROLECLAIMING IS ALLOWED! Though, it won't help you much. All roles are customized for this game, and some roles will be duplicated. since i can, im going to. all roles r customized remember? im a shapeshifter. as of nite 1 i was jamesV and as of rite now, im L-O. so TJ, wat did u do to me nite 1 again? This doesn't mean a thing since most of the players were unaligned day one. If a result is unaligned then it wont come back as town until day two. However I'm really suspect of everything you've said since your role should not be a day role. NO WAY is that a day role. Lie detector yes, Governor yes, voting roles in general and day kill roles yes. Shapeshifter? I think not. That's the one thing that's sticking out in my mind. The day role comment is what sealed your fate since there's no way the role you mentionned should be used during the day unless there's only one explanation: it's a safe claim. |
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 15:12:13 GMT -4
ebwop:
i take that back, but TJ never answered my question.
James vote didnt count which means it was either stolen or he doesnt have one. i still wanna see how mine looks.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 23, 2013 15:13:24 GMT -4
wait, this means that somebodies vote on me shows up as TJ's. and somebody else's isnt counted. Vote: Jamesthis is just until i can get confirmation from TJ. im also interested in seeing how mine looks Either you or him made me voteless then for day two. |
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Post by Pepsi on Mar 23, 2013 15:13:55 GMT -4
Curious as to why James' vote didn't count?
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 15:18:40 GMT -4
^^ ya, this is bandwagon voting or anything.... i dont care wat uve seen before james, its wat is happening. if/when u guys lynch me, ull see my role and ability so regardless wat happens james would be the next possible choice. LOL lynch me because you got outed. I'm betting you were blocked or kept from recruiting. I also like who you said all of this "I targetted JamesV" stuff only after getting heat on you which I think is a red herring to keep yourself from being lynched. Also a lot of players were Unaligned Vanillas day one including myself. UNALIGNED. Meaning if you even have been paying attention to anything you'd know that and the other players who got new roles this day phase who were also not recruited/still unaligned got new town roles. In other words you'd know that if you were town aligned. ebwop: 4. ROLECLAIMING IS ALLOWED! Though, it won't help you much. All roles are customized for this game, and some roles will be duplicated. since i can, im going to. all roles r customized remember? im a shapeshifter. as of nite 1 i was jamesV and as of rite now, im L-O. so TJ, wat did u do to me nite 1 again? This doesn't mean a thing since most of the players were unaligned day one. If a result is unaligned then it wont come back as town until day two. However I'm really suspect of everything you've said since your role should not be a day role. NO WAY is that a day role. Lie detector yes, Governor yes, voting roles in general and day kill roles yes. Shapeshifter? I think not. That's the one thing that's sticking out in my mind. The day role comment is what sealed your fate since there's no way the role you mentionned should be used during the day unless there's only one explanation: it's a safe claim. james ur crusade of me makes u look bad, i cant be sure if ur town or not but again wat i said is truth. it doesnt say this in the rules but ill go 1 step further james and prove u wrong. Terry, it doesnt say "no quoting PM's" in the rules, so yay or nay on the ruling? |
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 15:20:40 GMT -4
wait, this means that somebodies vote on me shows up as TJ's. and somebody else's isnt counted. Vote: Jamesthis is just until i can get confirmation from TJ. im also interested in seeing how mine looks Either you or him made me voteless then for day two. my role doesnt say anything about taking ur vote away so he might have im not sure until he comes around to comfirm or deny anything. in which case, either way it proves that im telling the truth. u cant deny that.... |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 23, 2013 15:31:16 GMT -4
LOL lynch me because you got outed. I'm betting you were blocked or kept from recruiting. I also like who you said all of this "I targetted JamesV" stuff only after getting heat on you which I think is a red herring to keep yourself from being lynched. Also a lot of players were Unaligned Vanillas day one including myself. UNALIGNED. Meaning if you even have been paying attention to anything you'd know that and the other players who got new roles this day phase who were also not recruited/still unaligned got new town roles. In other words you'd know that if you were town aligned. This doesn't mean a thing since most of the players were unaligned day one. If a result is unaligned then it wont come back as town until day two. However I'm really suspect of everything you've said since your role should not be a day role. NO WAY is that a day role. Lie detector yes, Governor yes, voting roles in general and day kill roles yes. Shapeshifter? I think not. That's the one thing that's sticking out in my mind. The day role comment is what sealed your fate since there's no way the role you mentionned should be used during the day unless there's only one explanation: it's a safe claim. james ur crusade of me makes u look bad, i cant be sure if ur town or not but again wat i said is truth. it doesnt say this in the rules but ill go 1 step further james and prove u wrong. Terry, it doesnt say "no quoting PM's" in the rules, so yay or nay on the ruling? My crusade? Lol you're using me to save your ass when I'm the LAST green Seven Kingdoms aligned player you want to be messing with in this game. DO YOU EVEN HAVE A CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE ALIGNMENTS FROM DAY ONE?! Because your "prove you wrong" comment basically confirms to me that you don't and I'm betting that you're the blue third party since they didn't do anything last night. The unaligned players who were not recruited joined the town, aka the Seven Kingdoms, which is a green town alignment. The blue, purple, and red are not town. Can you comprehend this? Do you understand how this works? I don't think that you do. Either you or him made me voteless then for day two. my role doesnt say anything about taking ur vote away so he might have im not sure until he comes around to comfirm or deny anything. in which case, either way it proves that im telling the truth. u cant deny that.... No it doesn't. What it proves is that you're lying about having a day role and have a night action instead. In other words it puts more holes in your story than I could ever put in there ripping it apart which basically I've done by outing my town alignment with the correct. |
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 15:38:59 GMT -4
james, ur full of shit and have no evidence that proves otherwise other than ur rants. ive put it all out there and STILL you doubt me. meanwhile the 3rd party and mafia scum teams r laughing it up. i dont think YOU have the clue at the moment. like i said if it helps u sleep at nite lynch me and see im rite OR tj can confirm wat he did to me and prove me rite that way too. idc either way.
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Post by Reaver on Mar 23, 2013 15:47:40 GMT -4
ebwop:
u no wats even funnier, im not even in the write ups yet LOL
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 23, 2013 16:09:22 GMT -4
james, ur full of shit and have no evidence that proves otherwise other than ur rants. ive put it all out there and STILL you doubt me. meanwhile the 3rd party and mafia scum teams r laughing it up. i dont think YOU have the clue at the moment. like i said if it helps u sleep at nite lynch me and see im rite OR tj can confirm wat he did to me and prove me rite that way too. idc either way. The only person full of it in this entire game is you. You didn't put ANYTHING out there other than tagetting me. I SPECIFICALLY named the exact town alignment by name, pointed out that the most of the players were unaligned day one, AND pointed out every hole in your story. This isn't rocket science to figure out yet you STILL do not get it because you STILL don't know how to play mafia without roleclaiming, without quoting PM's, without flaming, etc. because you don't know the game mechanics which is mind boggling to me. Most of he players were UNALIGNED day one. Got it? Good. Now let's move on. Last night there were recruitments. Two of the three non-town factions recruited. All of the non-recruited players became TOWN, aka Seven Kingdoms, day two which is what happened to me and a few others have mentionned that it happened to them too. Fact is you still don't get it and I'm not going to waste my time teaching Mafia 101 to someone who cannot comprehend something that has been said time after time by multiple people. |
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 23, 2013 16:20:36 GMT -4
Vote: Knuckles
I sensed something was off with him day one but today just takes the cake.
You are claiming you have been recruited to the town which does not check out and by reading your posts it sounds like you were actually recruited into third party or red mafia. At first, I thought you were claiming so little finger could cure you and bring you back to the town or something but that's not the case.
Secondly, I do not believe you have a day shape shifting role. There is no logical reason why it would not be done as night action, anyways. And if you were town night one - why would you be trying to shape shift anyways instead of letting a suspicious town potentially clear you?
None of it makes sense. You are scum aligned in my opinion and the vote sticks.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Mar 23, 2013 16:25:07 GMT -4
At first I thought Knuckles simply misspoke, but then Lester brought up a point that I had realized when reading through. And if you were town night one - why would you be trying to shape shift anyways instead of letting a suspicious town potentially clear you? This is the part that sticks with me. Knuckles said that he wanted people to look into him so that he could be cleared, but his day role makes looking into him pointless. Either he would have used the role and asked someone to look into him, or he asked and then used the role. Either way. Vote: Knuckles |
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 23, 2013 16:27:02 GMT -4
DO NOT QUOTE PMS
REPEAT DO NOT QUOTE PMS
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 23, 2013 16:30:29 GMT -4
VOTE COUNT:
Knuckles - 5(TJ, Matt Stone, Chris Shields, CJ, LEVEL ONE)
James V - 1 (knuckles)
Yes, this is correct.
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Post by Jules on Mar 23, 2013 16:36:55 GMT -4
I'm happy enough to vote Knuckles. His recruitment admission seems to warrant it, but there's some time before the deadline, so I'll give Knux one last chance and see if this TJ thing will either tip him over the edge or drag him back from the precipice.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Mar 23, 2013 16:38:09 GMT -4
What L1 and CJ said added with a bit of my own bit, Knuckles, you're smart enough to know that your day one made yourself a target for investigation and, going off what you said, you turned into someone who you felt was scummy, that's the most asinine idea I've ever seen.
I'm not telling you what I did to you Knuckles you should know what I did to you. I don't know what scum side you are on, but I'm not outing myself for the other two sides. It was a one time thing and it's gone now. I don't have anything else but it's going to be pretty counterproductive if I'm targeted for a kill from here on in.
Lasting words: I said i was 80/20 if you were scum or not, but now, I'm 100% that your scum.
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