Transgender MMA Part 2

[Jason Cashe]

So this has gotten even more attention now.

sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/ufc-suspends-matt-mitrione-transphobic-comments-regarding-fallon-230051067--mma.html

I have two things to say. One if those in APW who follow the bible, have deep religion, how do you feel about this? Not that I myself follow religion but religion has so much of a tie to man made laws. Murder, Stealing, Marriage still in some places.

And also did Fallon have a Gender Change or a full Sex Change? Spending 31 years as a Man gives you an advantage. Freedom of speech in this country is losing out it's power. The constitution in general is beginning to crumble and I'm not even going into the gun laws of it.

I wouldn't say all of what he said in the article above is right cause some of it is outright distasteful to another human being regardless. However to suspend him indefinitely for an opinion? I'm glad I'm not a famous athlete because I would sign a Code of Conduct cause that's signing over your rights. That in itself is a break of freedom because that's selling who you are completely to a corporation. Dress a certain way, speak and think a certain way. It's complete garbage.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Bump...

[papapancho]

Apr 8, 2013 23:19:16 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

So this has gotten even more attention now.

sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/ufc-suspends-matt-mitrione-transphobic-comments-regarding-fallon-230051067--mma.html

I have two things to say. One if those in APW who follow the bible, have deep religion, how do you feel about this? Not that I myself follow religion but religion has so much of a tie to man made laws. Murder, Stealing, Marriage still in some places.

And also did Fallon have a Gender Change or a full Sex Change? Spending 31 years as a Man gives you an advantage. Freedom of speech in this country is losing out it's power. The constitution in general is beginning to crumble and I'm not even going into the gun laws of it.

I wouldn't say all of what he said in the article above is right cause some of it is outright distasteful to another human being regardless. However to suspend him indefinitely for an opinion? I'm glad I'm not a famous athlete because I would sign a Code of Conduct cause that's signing over your rights. That in itself is a break of freedom because that's selling who you are completely to a corporation. Dress a certain way, speak and think a certain way. It's complete garbage.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to the workplace. Being a part of any corporate structure restricts yourself and the words you say especially when promoting that company. He should have known better.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Apr 13, 2013 3:20:56 GMT -4 papapancho said:

Apr 8, 2013 23:19:16 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

So this has gotten even more attention now.

sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/ufc-suspends-matt-mitrione-transphobic-comments-regarding-fallon-230051067--mma.html

I have two things to say. One if those in APW who follow the bible, have deep religion, how do you feel about this? Not that I myself follow religion but religion has so much of a tie to man made laws. Murder, Stealing, Marriage still in some places.

And also did Fallon have a Gender Change or a full Sex Change? Spending 31 years as a Man gives you an advantage. Freedom of speech in this country is losing out it's power. The constitution in general is beginning to crumble and I'm not even going into the gun laws of it.

I wouldn't say all of what he said in the article above is right cause some of it is outright distasteful to another human being regardless. However to suspend him indefinitely for an opinion? I'm glad I'm not a famous athlete because I would sign a Code of Conduct cause that's signing over your rights. That in itself is a break of freedom because that's selling who you are completely to a corporation. Dress a certain way, speak and think a certain way. It's complete garbage.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to the workplace. Being a part of any corporate structure restricts yourself and the words you say especially when promoting that company. He should have known better.

I can ABSOLUTELY vouch for this. I work for a VERY STRICT catholic hospital, that takes what you say very, VERY seriously. A guy got fired once, for saying "If I ever saw him (talking about a rapist on the news), I'd kill him before he ever went to trial."...

...kind of ironic, considering I work for a catholic organization lol.

[biggs]

Simply put, Fallon Fox is a man. He was born with nuts. He was born with male bone structure. Just because he had his twig and berries cut off, and implants put in, it does not make him a woman. He had himself mutilated, made cosmetic changes, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a man. I could call myself a duck, say that I self-identify as a duck all day long if I wanted to, it wouldn't change the fact that I'm a human being, not a duck.

He should not be fighting women.

["The Real Deal" Ellis Graham]

I don't follow MMA because I find it boring compared to pro wrestling, so this is the first I'm hearing about it.

The UFC screwed up. They completely screwed up.

Matt Mitrione was not saying "he's a bad person because he's a transgender and that's bad." Mitrione sees the guy as a man who is cheating the system, and basically a liar and a "wifebeater".

So in other words, UFC suspended a man for disagreeing with a man fighting a woman.

See, my issue with the LBGT community is that if you aren't with them, you're "transphobic" and deserve to die. Mitrione does not believe that gender reassignment surgery means anything, AND HE HAS THAT RIGHT to believe that.

But he spoke out against men beating women, an issue big enough to warrant Obama himself on a PSA, but in the process he caused the LBGT community to get butthurt, so his career is over.

I hope I'm not offending anyone, and I have no personal issue with anyone of any orientation, but to end a guy's career because he doesn't support your cause is BS no matter who you are. That'd be no different than Sean Hannity getting kicked off the air for calling President Obama a Marxist.

[Level-Two]

He said nothing worse then Joe Rogan did. It's bullshit.

With that said, it's not a big deal. Matt still has a job. I don't even know if he's been fined - it seems like a PR move to me and that's it.

Lol @ these terms, trans phobic? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. I'm getting tired of this PC bullshit!

It's a mental disorder, let's call it what it is please.

I've come to the conclusion that If you don't hit the sex change early enough and go through puberty as a man, you look like Fallon fox. Ala, a dude wearing a dress.

[Jason Cashe]

Hahaha Biggs said balls, thats about as close to cursing as he'll go! Great stuff!

I think Matt maybe went a little too far in his words. I agree with what he's said and the difference between how he said it is where he said it. On a MMA Show, televised? Ouch. Regardless in no form or fashion should our Freedom of Expression, our Freedom to speak our minds be taken away from us. Workplace, anywhere. It can be said to keep it out of the work place sure but firing someone for a slip up or a rage of anger like with Havok's example? Just dumb as bricks. Patriot Act removed so much of our freedom and how funny is it one of our biggest allies is China which is still Communist isn't it? We live in a confused world.

[Jules]

Freedom of expression has to be balanced with a person's freedom not to be abused. That isn't about being overly PC, it's about fairness and tolerance. The norm is that people will find this transgender fighter hard to take/weird/repugnant. That's fine if you hold that opinion, nobody can take it away from you. But freedom of expression doesn't justify a campaign of hatred. I agree this person shouldn't be allowed to fight as a woman, but it doesn't warrant that character assault.

Mitrione deserved to be suspended just for being a total moron and thinking he could say what he said in the public domain and not be in contravention of the UFC's corporate code.

[Your JESUS]

Oh God the hatred word...like it was said before a difference of opinion and it's hate! I give up on society!! I don't think the dude was calli g for transgendered to be outlawed, oppressed, or anything of that nature. I'm so sick of hearing about the hardships of being Transgender, gay, or what not. Constantly screaming about this or that. Last time I checked there wasn't a Holocaust towards the any of these people. They weren't held back from voting, owning property, or treated in any manor that people like slaves were. That was oppression!! I wish they would stop comparing themselves to the people oppressed in the past, it's not even comparable. They are free to live their lives, free to do what they wish. They might get a weird look, but so do people with tattoos Mohawks, face piercings, or ear plugs. All choices made which I'm sure the people in which made those choices decided to except the outcome to express themselves. Do your thing, just stop fucking whining about it if others don't agree. Doesn't mean I hate you or wish harm upon you!!

[The Soul Of Philly]

Everything Lively just said I support 99%, the lone % is the bit about free to live the way they want and free to do what they wish, they want to get married to their other, and can't in some place, which is asinine to me. What's the big deal?

Then again, I wish to go out on a date with Emma Watson/Jessica Beil/Olivia Wilde and I think that's far less likely than gays and lesbos getting married.

[Jason Cashe]

That's like with bullying, just because you don't say it to their face doesn't mean word doesn't get back to them that it was said. People say, people DO some crazy things for various reasons. The Texans are going to have the largest Video Screens in the NFL, BET the tax payers will be the ones paying for it. People use explosives and use them at the end of marathons like what happened today in Boston. Kids kill dogs, Men rape women, shit happens and it's all bad. Nobody is completely perfect and everyone gets judged. That's human nature to judge and take short cuts even legal ones at each other. Technology has given power to everyone's opinions. Society needs to stay tough and that's something fading as well, they need to stop being blind on some stuff as well but overall we need to catch up with reality because if we had a world wide blackout tomorrow, some people would walk into walls as they become lost to how life works now.

We depend on too much these days. We have too much time to sit back and judge something else and like true Americans we judge others before looking and fixing the changes needed in our own backyard. Hence why late night you see "Help these African children to get food" but we don't see those same commercials for the millions of homeless and hungry here in our own backyard.

Staying on topic though, what Jules or Gov'nor said is true. He was wrong not for having an opinion but saying his opinion where more than just an earshot of people could hear it. Sorry about my own opinion because I see now it went here and there but I needed a release, today kind of blew chunks. Well the kid blew chunks on me at work. Bastard kid's mother laughed...I wanted to POW right in the Kissah!

[Buckson Gooch]

Apr 15, 2013 20:15:35 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

...I wanted to POW right in the Kissah!

Jason Kash, I haven't told you lately, but you are awesome.

[Jason Cashe]

Hahaha I think you's is swell too!

[Your JESUS]

So a fighter speaking about a mater pertaining to his genre/work skills shouldn't speak about it publicly?? Why because of the over sensitive nature of the transgender community. I didn't see him going overboard on the topic and jumping to an obscene or hateful manor toward anyone but the fighter he was speaking about. If a guy did this to play Women's Football or Woman's Soccer, you would speak to people in the NFL or MLS about it? Seems logical to me that Mitrione had an opinion and being employed in the same business he discussed it.

Look he's no politician or not in a place of power in UFC so he should be free to express opinions.

[Jules]

Apr 15, 2013 19:31:33 GMT -4 Your JESUS said:

Oh God the hatred word...like it was said before a difference of opinion and it's hate! I give up on society!! I don't think the dude was calli g for transgendered to be outlawed, oppressed, or anything of that nature. I'm so sick of hearing about the hardships of being Transgender, gay, or what not. Constantly screaming about this or that. Last time I checked there wasn't a Holocaust towards the any of these people. They weren't held back from voting, owning property, or treated in any manor that people like slaves were. That was oppression!! I wish they would stop comparing themselves to the people oppressed in the past, it's not even comparable. They are free to live their lives, free to do what they wish. They might get a weird look, but so do people with tattoos Mohawks, face piercings, or ear plugs. All choices made which I'm sure the people in which made those choices decided to except the outcome to express themselves. Do your thing, just stop fucking whining about it if others don't agree. Doesn't mean I hate you or wish harm upon you!!

Don't think anyone mentioned the holocaust or slavery, or even said this case was even remotely comparable to the plight of European Jews in WW2, or Black people in the States.

Way to go turning the issue into a reductio ad absurdum.

[Jules]

Apr 15, 2013 20:59:41 GMT -4 Your JESUS said:

So a fighter speaking about a mater pertaining to his genre/work skills shouldn't speak about it publicly?? Why because of the over sensitive nature of the transgender community. I didn't see him going overboard on the topic and jumping to an obscene or hateful manor toward anyone but the fighter he was speaking about. If a guy did this to play Women's Football or Woman's Soccer, you would speak to people in the NFL or MLS about it? Seems logical to me that Mitrione had an opinion and being employed in the same business he discussed it.

Look he's no politician or not in a place of power in UFC so he should be free to express opinions.

He said the person was a sociopath, so he's making assertions about that person's character. How is this any different to person x using their public image to call person y insane or a criminal?

In many cases this could result in a libel suit.

Anyway, if he signed a contract with UFC that binds him to the code of conduct, then yeah he is culpable at least of violating that. Whether the UFC CoC is right or not, from their pov he broke the terms of his contract which obviously has clauses about not using his UFC platform to issue potentially offensive opinions.

If he'd come out and said 'yeah, this person was a man for 31/32 years. This gives this person an unfair advantage against born women, therefore allowing this person to fight females would be unsporting' etc, citing the scientific evidence, then I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid. But since his language was highly offensive and unprofessional, he got what he deserved.

[Jason Cashe]

Since we're on the topic of Black Folks. And to be assured, my Baby brother is mixed black/white. The only Father I've ever KNOWN is black, my fiance of 12 years is Hispanic. But my question is why is it that Blacks have their own Colleges? Can Whites enroll? If not, isn't that kind of a racial thing as well? I dunno just popped into my head...

Way off topic, my bad.

[Your JESUS]

Wow ok so never has the Gay community talked, or been obscenely vocal about being oppressed. Better yet never have they bullied anyone with a differing opionin to theirs with boycotting and instant media backlashing. My bringing up other form of oppression was to simply show the drastic difference.

Way to take a statement and try to spin it into a negative aspect about a topic in which hopefully we are simply discussing. It would be cool to have a conversation on a topic like this without hate being brought about. When gays are forced to sit in the back of the bus, or transgenders get blasted with fire hoses then maybe I might start to feel bad for their oppression. Other then that they are human beings with problems like the rest of us. Some problems brought about by our choices and others brought up with no cause.

Imagine this, what if the straight/hederosexual community came up with a flag of their own. What if they wore it like a badge of honor, and anytime they met confrontation or resistance of any kind it became because they are straight. They have parades for hederosexuals only, a channel just for hederosexual, pretty sure it would get looked upon as hate, unequal and unfair.

[Level-Two]

He said the person was a sociopath, so he's making assertions about that person's character. How is this any different to person x using their public image to call person y insane or a criminal?

He didn't get suspended for calling Fallon a sociopath. He got banned because people don't know how to read nor understand the context behind his statement.

He never said being a trans is disgusting or repulsive or anything of the like; but rather the fact that a man is essentially beating women for a living, is disgusting.

Matt was banned for his failure to accept Fallon Fox is a ''women'' which is half correct. She was man - now living as a women.

There is a difference.

By the way, it also has something to do with ''who'' Matt is. He's not a high level fighter nor is he Joe Rogan, so he's less likely to get a pass - even though his punishment wasn't severe anyways.

[Jason Cashe]

Matt is on the rise, he has strong hands and I've been a fan since the Ultimate Fighter he was on. Well not so much ON the show but after. He seemed like a bitch on the show.

Fallon has only been a woman for how long? He was a man for 30 something years...That's a difference.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Apr 14, 2013 23:49:12 GMT -4 biggs said:

Simply put, Fallon Fox is a man. He was born with nuts. He was born with male bone structure. Just because he had his twig and berries cut off, and implants put in, it does not make him a woman. He had himself mutilated, made cosmetic changes, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a man. I could call myself a duck, say that I self-identify as a duck all day long if I wanted to, it wouldn't change the fact that I'm a human being, not a duck.

He should not be fighting women.

To me... This entire conversation was laid to rest, as of Biggs post. ;D