Pepsi
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Post by Pepsi on Apr 13, 2013 3:45:59 GMT -4
Your first fact, is complete bullshit. I'm looking at the ratings from Feb 18th (when Ziggles "won" the WHC from Edge) all the way until the end of Henry's run, and the "up-down" of the ratings is the exact same. They floated from a 1.7 to a 2.0 the ENTIRE year. Nothing changed whatsoever. At least, nothing significant. Source: www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2011-ratings/And: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heavyweight_Champions_(WWE)I completely agree with your second fact. He lost the belt due to injury. But at the same time, McMahon already had plans of putting D-Bryan over "one of the big men" aka, Show or Henry. He didn't want the title on Bryan, unless he did some "super hero" stuff to win it. Hence the constant mentioning of Bryan and how big both contenders were up against him, for months leading into it. Not trying to argue with you whatsoever. But Henry was a bad investment by McMahon, and McMahon has admitted that in the past. When the boss admits it, you know it's true. Lol From mid April to mid September the ratings went above 2 only twice in a 5 month time period. The episode directly after Henry's title reign was the highest ratings the show had seen since February. 4 of the 5 highest rated episodes happened during his 2 month reign. Because I am a numbers geek I did some calculations. The average rating during Hemry's reign was 2.06, avg for the year 1.95. That means Smackdown was at it's ratings peak when Henry was at the top. The fact is whether it was a huge difference in numbers or not Smackdown's peak of 2011 was assisted by Henry's reign. If you look at the ratings in 2010, and 2012 you will also see that in that 3 year block Smackdown had rarely ever had ratings consistently above the 2 mark as provided during his reign. Really your numbers just proved my point. I don't disagree that he was a bad investment. 2 great months don't make up for 15 years of garbage, but you are wrong about the strength of his title reign. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Apr 13, 2013 3:53:34 GMT -4
Your first fact, is complete bullshit. I'm looking at the ratings from Feb 18th (when Ziggles "won" the WHC from Edge) all the way until the end of Henry's run, and the "up-down" of the ratings is the exact same. They floated from a 1.7 to a 2.0 the ENTIRE year. Nothing changed whatsoever. At least, nothing significant. Source: www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2011-ratings/And: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heavyweight_Champions_(WWE)I completely agree with your second fact. He lost the belt due to injury. But at the same time, McMahon already had plans of putting D-Bryan over "one of the big men" aka, Show or Henry. He didn't want the title on Bryan, unless he did some "super hero" stuff to win it. Hence the constant mentioning of Bryan and how big both contenders were up against him, for months leading into it. Not trying to argue with you whatsoever. But Henry was a bad investment by McMahon, and McMahon has admitted that in the past. When the boss admits it, you know it's true. Lol From mid April to mid September the ratings went above 2 only twice in a 5 month time period. The episode directly after Henry's title reign was the highest ratings the show had seen since February. 4 of the 5 highest rated episodes happened during his 2 month reign. Because I am a numbers geek I did some calculations. The average rating during Hemry's reign was 2.06, avg for the year 1.95. That means Smackdown was at it's ratings peak when Henry was at the top. The fact is whether it was a huge difference in numbers or not Smackdown's peak of 2011 was assisted by Henry's reign. If you look at the ratings in 2010, and 2012 you will also see that in that 3 year block Smackdown had rarely ever had ratings consistently above the 2 mark as provided during his reign. Really your numbers just proved my point. I don't disagree that he was a bad investment. 2 great months don't make up for 15 years of garbage, but you are wrong about the strength of his title reign. I'm just saying... a .10 isn't a jump in ratings that Vince McMahon would smile about. .10 is JUST LIKE going from having $1.90, finding a dime, and now having $2. What can $2 really do that $1.90 can't? You know? Not like you can buy a Ferrari by finding 10 cents. Lol |
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Post by "The Real Deal" Ellis Graham on Apr 13, 2013 11:30:38 GMT -4
I thought it was Brodus Clay not Zeke. I know I heard (granted "heard" means Bullshit, I mean, Bleacher Report) that Brodus had the idea but Creative gave it to Henry then delayed Clay until they decided to make him Funkasaurus.
Either way, Zeke had ZERO charisma when I saw him, but maybe he'd've gotten over with HoP.
This is out in left field, but mentioning Zeke reminds me of Wade Barrett...
...why did they give Big Show the KO Punch when he had a perfectly good choke slam? Wade's backstory involves being a bare knuckle fighter, and the only thing not over about him is his elbow strike finisher. Wouldn't it be believable that Wade (who's not small by any means) would know how to throw an effective KO Punch? What says "Barrett Barrage" better than punching a dude's lights out?
Sorry. I like Barrett and "I love America, I hate Americans" Cesaro more than Cena & Ziggler (who I like, but not as much, and for the love of fucking GOD let Ziggy use the Superkick instead of the Zig Zag!)
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Pepsi
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Post by Pepsi on Apr 13, 2013 12:27:58 GMT -4
Show started using the knock out punch when he was feuding with Floyd Mayweather back at Wrestlemania 24. He was using it as a finisher long before Barrett came on the scene.
I think the Bull Hammer is good, they just need to make it look a little more impactful. Sure beats the Skull Crushing Finale. If Miz can be WWE champ with that weak finisher, surely Barrett can with the Bull Hammer.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Apr 13, 2013 13:16:32 GMT -4
It was Brodus Clay who had the "Hall Of Pain" idea and they took it from him and placed it on Henry. Clay then came in with his Dancing Horribly Dinosaur gimmick which they liked for him. Mark Henry is special because there isn't anyone who has his size, width, or strength. He is good on the mic, more so than say Ryback. Hell Henry is better at making me believe what he says than The Miz. I kind of like Miz but he comes off as trying too hard all the time. I hate Miz's strut walk and he sucks at applying the Figure Four.
The problem with WWE right now is it's writing team. They jump back and forth on ideas and they cut Del Rio/Swagger's match down 10 minutes during Mania. PROBABLY was going to be Ziggler's Cashing in but they didn't want the crowd reaction they KNEW Ziggler could get. If he got it at Mania and it was loud, it might have been a bigger pop than any other Big Name appearance. Time Constraints was their excuse though. They cut and removed shit from Mania and then decided Raw was where they'd fix their mistakes. The crowd helped the writers look good on a bad call. Mania should have been Ziggler's Moment.
Switching the IC belt between Miz and Barrett was garbage too. I don't really care for Barrett although I like his Bull Hammer NOW. I didn't when he was spinning dude's out before hitting it. Although I also believe this could setup a feud between him and Kassius Ohno when he gets called up. Rolling Elbow Vs. Bull Hammer. I got Ohno smashing him. Barrett could improve his status for me but we'll see in the coming weeks.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Apr 13, 2013 17:38:25 GMT -4
You're right, it was Brodus. After doing some research, I've realized that I need to quit smoking pot. My memory is SHOT! Lol
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Post by Jason Cashe on Apr 14, 2013 14:55:11 GMT -4
Mine too at times and I smoke...Well I have a pipe sitting in front of me now so...*Pauses for the Cause* Ahhh what were we talking about again?
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