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Post by T-Marv on Apr 11, 2013 20:46:09 GMT -4
Matches: Jules, Buckson GOOCH, Callahan, Envi, Gates. Thank you all so much for taking the time out to write some matches for me. Love you long time.
Segments: Evan, CJ Gates, Kid Dynamo, Callahan, Did I miss anybody?
It was a VERY segment light show, but that was partially my fault. Due to the issues with my PMing, I didn't get in contact with people early enough.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 11, 2013 20:52:30 GMT -4
I can apologize from my end for a lack of a segment as well. Strange week at work with an equally-strange hours schedule plus other stuff T-Marv knows about, but still, I probably should have sent something in and I'm a little annoyed at myself for not doing it.
Still, the show being segment-light allowed the ones that were sent in to shine. For instance, I'm legitimately excited for Kid Dynamo vs. C.J. Gates; that instantly went from something that didn't exist to something that's going to create a lot of buzz. Also, the stuff with Callahan and Duvall was well-done. Callahan potentially going FACE? Now I've seen everything.
As usual, the matches were well-written, so kudos all around. In particular, Gooch did a great job with Smith/White, and while I'm on the subject, job well done to White for making me sweat this week.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 11, 2013 23:55:08 GMT -4
First, I want to thank everyone who takes the time to write a match. I suck at writing matches thats why I don't do it. But I feel I owe it to people to leave some feedback because thats how this company stays the bad ass place that it does. That being said I want to leave some constructive criticism. I like whole Lady Overdrive gimmick. But the whole referring to Shadow by his real name - it's not vibing well with me. Mainly because Shadow doesn't go by: Steve "Shadow" Ryback. It would be like calling the Undertaker: Mark. It almost no sells Shadow. Opening match: Rope break in an Xtreme title match? Well I said that when I read the match and then I read the whole thing. I thought this was an Xtreme Championship match. Don't get me wrong it was a well written match, made both characters look strong but it was just a straight singles match that happened to be for the Xtreme title. Another well written match but something stands out : This is kind of a cheap shot from the writer. Then after the match there was this comment: Kind of cut down Havok's big return and Legion's efforts. Like him or not the guy does post every week. If he should be on Meltdown then he should be there. But snide comments like that (even from commentary) are a little uncalled for IMO. CJ Gates and Kid Dynamo: Interesting set up. Don't know how it will play out. This is supposed to be a one shot deal? Seems like it would be at a PPV with a ton of build up. Buck and Amy match wasn't centered, I know everyone noticed. Just had to say it. A Face on Face match, these are hard to write sometimes. I liked the flow and the way of working the realistic aspects into the match. I think what could have helped this match is Buck being uncertain about fighting a woman. Southern gentlemen dont like hurting chicks. After working with Gooch last week thats how I perceived the character so to speak. Buck, correct me if I am wrong. Six Man Tag: This match was a little hard to follow. The more people you have in a match the harder it is to write and making it so short contributed to that. Still the commentary in this match really made this match stand out. I think someone made the suggestion that Overdrive should go to summerized results. This match highlights the benefits and downsides to doing so. Nevertheless I think that had this match had few participants would have cleared up the confusion. There were two announcements for the main event at Mayhem, both were meant to reveal the match. One before the six man tag one after... Continuity error. Main Event: Evan I want to first thank you for the strong showing you've given Shadow in the past few matches. This was match of the night, not because I was in it but because everything was in harmony, moves, commentary the works. The downside to this match was the end. Not the finish, just the end. I've noticed this alot that several matches don't have any aftermath. But that match was like a great handjob - you're sitting there when its over covered in fluid, no payoff. It really killed the story because the announcement about Gooch being the No1 Contender was just kind of there, Evan just walked to the back, no mention of Shadow in the aftermath. Ive been kind of disappointed with Overdrive results as of late. Faces are not getting the "pops" they need to really push their characters. Heels steal the show, they get clean wins, they don't get disqualified etc. Faces are laying there beaten and don't do anything about it. Im using Shadow as an example because of course I woudl see it with my character. So lets start there. On Meltdown Shadow was displayed as a powerhouse, before during and after matches. While he still is in most of his Overdrive matches he seems rather lackluster in the aftermath. Evan asked for spots and I offered two finishes, one that had Shadow laid out and Evan looking like a MAJOR heel. the second had Evan going over and Shadow getting the final word in. Didn't necessarily mean he was laying out Envi. Just getting his pop to push the face. But even Callahan, he's had two weeks of being shown up, this week IMO should have been his chance to get one over on Level One and Delikado. Kind of throw Duvall's word's back in his face, make Callahan look stronger. Faces need their pushes. 2 out of three times the heels should look strong yes, but dont neglect your faces. It can be damaging to roleplay ability because if a face has nothing to show, what can they say? Callahan is pushing the One Man Army style how far can that go when he gets snuffed two weeks in a row, maybe a third? These are just things to keep in mind. Yes its a game but part of the game is selling the characters. If you're match writer think more about the story than just the match. I can understand if you dont want your character to get "jumped" but sometimes you have to take that dive to get your opponent over and make your storyline that much better. Its a give and take game. I hope this doesnt deter anyone else from leaving feedback. I still love all ya'll just want to offer my advice for what would make a better show. Give some surprise to the people. When you can predict how ever match will end, theres an issue. Three times in the show there were Pin attempt by the winner after a big move, last second kick out another big move and the winner pins. Six man tag was an obvious sneak win by Level One. The opening match had the most diverse finish. Mix it up match writers keep us on our toes. Theres more than one way to win a match.  |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 12, 2013 1:18:56 GMT -4
Buck and Amy match wasn't centered, I know everyone noticed. Just had to say it. A Face on Face match, these are hard to write sometimes. I liked the flow and the way of working the realistic aspects into the match. I think what could have helped this match is Buck being uncertain about fighting a woman. Southern gentlemen dont like hurting chicks. After working with Gooch last week thats how I perceived the character so to speak. Buck, correct me if I am wrong. My bad on that. I didn't have the time I thought and forgot the center tag so it was all off. This is what I get for not writing matches more often  . I also liked your point on the faces and I think you're on to something there. I won't get into it from my perspective, but that's because it would open up too much and I'd be here forever trying to word it all out lol. |
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Post by "The Real Deal" Ellis Graham on Apr 12, 2013 1:48:24 GMT -4
Just to clarify: Dynamo vs CJ is setup from an S&C wager, so that's why it's kinda coming up out of nowhere. He and I talked, and this ended up being a good fit for us to have the match schedule-wise.
Back to feedback: I thought it was a very good show. I actually really like the pacing of the show, if that sounds weird. IT actually seems like thought is being put in to how this show would draw ratings as the most important parts of a two hour broadcast (opener, top of the second hour, main event) all featured big matches that would keep a TV viewer plugged in. These are the kind of little touches that separate the great feds from the others.
I love a heel GM that has a corporate gladiator and a heroic foil. Between Callahan, Duvall, and L1, we have all three main characters as excellent storytellers in promo, segment, and during the match. It's easy for me to say since I'm not on the OD roster, but I'd have no problem with this feud going on for the rest of the year, with T4TB and the ONIH Elimination Chamber (and Delikado being added to Mayhem) as opportunities for others to jump in and still spread around the title shots. But this could be Austin/McMahon for Overdrive.
Finally: how long should I wait from results being posted to tweet about it? I think I ended up logging in pretty soon after the results were posted, and as soon as I read them, I tweeted about CJ's match, then deleted it because I realized someone would see that before they came and read them, and I was terrified that I messed up someone's enjoyment of the results by inadvertently posting a spoiler. How much time does it usually take to be able to assume that most/all of APW has seen the show?
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 12, 2013 1:56:09 GMT -4
Finally: how long should I wait from results being posted to tweet about it? I think I ended up logging in pretty soon after the results were posted, and as soon as I read them, I tweeted about CJ's match, then deleted it because I realized someone would see that before they came and read them, and I was terrified that I messed up someone's enjoyment of the results by inadvertently posting a spoiler. How much time does it usually take to be able to assume that most/all of APW has seen the show? I usually wait until at the very least 24 hours to give away spoilers. Not for any reason other than people's enjoyment. I don't think there's any rule. Some people probably go right after they read the show. |
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Post by Jules on Apr 12, 2013 5:09:12 GMT -4
Another well written match but something stands out : This is kind of a cheap shot from the writer. Then after the match there was this comment: Kind of cut down Havok's big return and Legion's efforts. Like him or not the guy does post every week. If he should be on Meltdown then he should be there. But snide comments like that (even from commentary) are a little uncalled for IMO. You're reading way too much into this, and I'm a little annoyed it has even been suggested I would use IC commentary to make an OOC cheap shot. That isn't my style, and the fact I've never had a single incident of grief with anyone on these boards (and never resorted to making cheap shots) in 18 months backs that up. The Legion comment came from a heel colour commentator. If you said it was a bury, fine I'd take that on board, but if it was one it was completely IC. I'll agree the post-match commentary may be construed that way, but how is it a criticism to say they showed heart and spirit? I'll take the point Havok's win could be sold better, but I am not going to allow to swing that I'm using commentary to take personal pot-shots. EVERYTHING I write for matches/segments on-show is reflective of an in-character opinion. However, if Havok or Legion feel I buried their characters in some way I apologise. |
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Post by Jules on Apr 12, 2013 6:23:47 GMT -4
Good segment from Evan, although it felt like a low-key opening to the show. It wasn’t really a Q1 segment, but in the absence of such a segment at least it’s giving prominence to the ME. I’m not sure why Evan is referring to Shadow by his real name, maybe it’s a psychological thing to de-mystify or disarm ‘Shadow’ (with all the connotations that kind of name and the reputation it has carries). I see your point Shadow about why you feel it buries the character, but I believe it is fairly consistent with Evan Envi's persona, which engages as much in psychological warfare as physical; it’s his way of drawing more heat by not recognising ‘Shadow’. Yeah, it’s flirting with breaking the 4th wall, but in the context I can see how it works. We had a similar case on Meltdown where Havok referred to Guv’nor as ‘Little Lenny’ and not ‘The Guv’nor’. I didn’t have any problem with it because it felt like the sort of thing heel Havok would do. It’s a grey area though, and I can see both sides of the coin.
Agree Buckson wrote a good match, and Shadow already made the point about the lack of Xtreme action. I could argue it was a bit unbalanced in the false finish part of the match, with Smith hitting most of the impact moves and White hanging on with kick-outs. A title change could have been teased a little more as the match reached the climax, but maybe I’m being picky.
The Gates v Dynamo match seems like it’s been a long time coming, and while Kid has been trying to build the match on Twitter, maybe it could have been made bigger if it had been promoted last week also. It’ll be a good match in terms of RPs, but I other than satisfying the S & C wager I’m not sure how it really fits into the Overdrive picture, or what it really achieves. Let’s just assume APW is a real wrestling company, you are never going to job the #1 face in your company to some guy from another fed who wrestled a few matches in APW over a year ago (it would be like WWE jobbing John Cena to whoever is top guy in TNA in a one-time, one-match deal). C.J. gains nothing by winning this match, and if it’s a one-time appearance from Kid Dynamo, the booking team wouldn’t invest in him as a credible threat, therefore why would they harm C.J. by having him job to an outsider? The only way this could really work would be if Kid came back on a part-time, short-term deal to promote and wrestle a PPV match, under the stipulation that if won he would come back full-time (maybe he’d earned some personal absolution in doing so). Even then, I can’t see any other credible pay-off than C.J. going over. I don’t get the ‘saving C.J.’ stuff either, but I do look forward to reading the roleplays.
Okay, so I wrote that before I read the Gates promo, which for me didn’t really do anything to make me want to see this match. I think it was an APW first – a C.J. no-sell. Look, I can see where C.J. might be coming from here (IC), this match is all about Kid Dynamo getting what he wants and he’s the guy driving it; why would C.J. care about some guy who comes in for one night and will be gone again when the match ends? Still, I think ‘the outsider’ angle could have been sold more, that at least would give people a reason to want to tune in – to see their favourite beat the mouthy outsider, and to do it for the pride of the company. Right now, it’s just another match on the card. But then maybe that’s the inherent problem of a guy coming in for a one night gig, rather than working through a full programme (even if it’s just for that one-match pay-off at PPV).
I think C.J. did a good job with the Gooch v Zing match. He sold the fact that they were at opposite ends of the physical spectrum, and Zing’s quick, in-and-out offence and reliance on kicks was really plausible. I don’t think Gooch being tentative needed to be written into the match, in fact I think that condescending chauvinism has rightfully vanished from e-fedding. The logic I apply with my character is that women wrestlers signed the contract of their own volition, they knew they would be fighting against men, so they’re fair game between the bells. There is no tension between the principle of not striking an ordinary woman, but would strike a female wrestler; just as I’m sure for a face character striking an ordinary man (e.g. a fan) is a no-go, but striking a fellow male combatant is fine. The only question is how you write these matches: if it had been written that Amy had powerbombed Gooch (or something similar), then we’d have problems. But she didn’t, so it’s fine.
Callahan segment. Another new song for Callahan? But at least Mikey’s got the good sense to have a self-deprecating dig. Good sell of Callahan’s ‘new appearance’, which also gives some rationale to the avatar change for anyone who is still upset by it. It’s a good, typically well-written Callahan segment. But since this the premier angle on Overdrive right now, it should have been the opening segment. It has that Q1 feel, it involves one of the biggest names on the brand, the current champ etc. and it’s got the meat and bones you want from yout Q1 segment with the HUGE announcement about the Mayhem ME.
I’m not going to complain about the six-man. Callahan did a good, controlled job of it. Delikado getting the pinfall was important too ahead of Mayhem.
I assume the duplicate segment was due to a miscommunication, right?
I’m really pleased Buckson Gooch is getting a push on Overdrive. He’s a unique character, I’m a fan of his roleplays, and I think there is great chemistry to be had between Gooch and Envi. I think Gooch could be sold here as a HUGELY serious threat to Envi, given his physical stature, so I’m looking forward to seeing where this feud develops.
Excellent ME. One point I will make, goes back to earlier title match. I think Evan could have been under more pressure in the false finish, but Shadow went over well in the match, and the effects on Evan post-match gave the impression it took a mammoth effort from him to retain.
Overall, in spite of the notable absence backstage of top guys like Level-One & Biggs it was a good show, a nice swift read. Good matches, and I never felt the show got bogged down with too many segments. We’ve got a clear sense now of what’s happening with the top two belts on Overdrive, we just need a few more stories to flower and it’s all go for Mayhem.
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Post by Evan De Parker on Apr 12, 2013 7:25:38 GMT -4
I was going to address comments directed toward me-- but whenever I do that, I ALWAYS neglect to come here and leave proper feedback. So bear with me... I'm gonna get it all knocked out at once this time. ;D
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 12, 2013 8:35:54 GMT -4
So the fault falls on me for the segment after the tag match. I read all of callahan's Segment and must have skipped over the part where Duvall talked about Mayhem....cause I was looking for it as to NOT make a duplicate Segment.
My fault!
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Post by "The Real Deal" Ellis Graham on Apr 12, 2013 8:57:52 GMT -4
Good segment from Evan, although it felt like a low-key opening to the show. It wasn’t really a Q1 segment, but in the absence of such a segment at least it’s giving prominence to the ME. I’m not sure why Evan is referring to Shadow by his real name, maybe it’s a psychological thing to de-mystify or disarm ‘Shadow’ (with all the connotations that kind of name and the reputation it has carries). I see your point Shadow about why you feel it buries the character, but I believe it is fairly consistent with Evan Envi's persona, which engages as much in psychological warfare as physical; it’s his way of drawing more heat by not recognising ‘Shadow’. Yeah, it’s flirting with breaking the 4th wall, but in the context I can see how it works. We had a similar case on Meltdown where Havok referred to Guv’nor as ‘Little Lenny’ and not ‘The Guv’nor’. I didn’t have any problem with it because it felt like the sort of thing heel Havok would do. It’s a grey area though, and I can see both sides of the coin. Agree Buckson wrote a good match, and Shadow already made the point about the lack of Xtreme action. I could argue it was a bit unbalanced in the false finish part of the match, with Smith hitting most of the impact moves and White hanging on with kick-outs. A title change could have been teased a little more as the match reached the climax, but maybe I’m being picky. The Gates v Dynamo match seems like it’s been a long time coming, and while Kid has been trying to build the match on Twitter, maybe it could have been made bigger if it had been promoted last week also. It’ll be a good match in terms of RPs, but I other than satisfying the S & C wager I’m not sure how it really fits into the Overdrive picture, or what it really achieves. Let’s just assume APW is a real wrestling company, you are never going to job the #1 face in your company to some guy from another fed who wrestled a few matches in APW over a year ago (it would be like WWE jobbing John Cena to whoever is top guy in TNA in a one-time, one-match deal). C.J. gains nothing by winning this match, and if it’s a one-time appearance from Kid Dynamo, the booking team wouldn’t invest in him as a credible threat, therefore why would they harm C.J. by having him job to an outsider? The only way this could really work would be if Kid came back on a part-time, short-term deal to promote and wrestle a PPV match, under the stipulation that if won he would come back full-time (maybe he’d earned some personal absolution in doing so). Even then, I can’t see any other credible pay-off than C.J. going over. I don’t get the ‘saving C.J.’ stuff either, but I do look forward to reading the roleplays. Okay, so I wrote that before I read the Gates promo, which for me didn’t really do anything to make me want to see this match. I think it was an APW first – a C.J. no-sell. Look, I can see where C.J. might be coming from here (IC), this match is all about Kid Dynamo getting what he wants and he’s the guy driving it; why would C.J. care about some guy who comes in for one night and will be gone again when the match ends? Still, I think ‘the outsider’ angle could have been sold more, that at least would give people a reason to want to tune in – to see their favourite beat the mouthy outsider, and to do it for the pride of the company. Right now, it’s just another match on the card. But then maybe that’s the inherent problem of a guy coming in for a one night gig, rather than working through a full programme (even if it’s just for that one-match pay-off at PPV). I think C.J. did a good job with the Gooch v Zing match. He sold the fact that they were at opposite ends of the physical spectrum, and Zing’s quick, in-and-out offence and reliance on kicks was really plausible. I don’t think Gooch being tentative needed to be written into the match, in fact I think that condescending chauvinism has rightfully vanished from e-fedding. The logic I apply with my character is that women wrestlers signed the contract of their own volition, they knew they would be fighting against men, so they’re fair game between the bells. There is no tension between the principle of not striking an ordinary woman, but would strike a female wrestler; just as I’m sure for a face character striking an ordinary man (e.g. a fan) is a no-go, but striking a fellow male combatant is fine. The only question is how you write these matches: if it had been written that Amy had powerbombed Gooch (or something similar), then we’d have problems. But she didn’t, so it’s fine. Callahan segment. Another new song for Callahan? But at least Mikey’s got the good sense to have a self-deprecating dig. Good sell of Callahan’s ‘new appearance’, which also gives some rationale to the avatar change for anyone who is still upset by it. It’s a good, typically well-written Callahan segment. But since this the premier angle on Overdrive right now, it should have been the opening segment. It has that Q1 feel, it involves one of the biggest names on the brand, the current champ etc. and it’s got the meat and bones you want from yout Q1 segment with the HUGE announcement about the Mayhem ME. I’m not going to complain about the six-man. Callahan did a good, controlled job of it. Delikado getting the pinfall was important too ahead of Mayhem. I assume the duplicate segment was due to a miscommunication, right? I’m really pleased Buckson Gooch is getting a push on Overdrive. He’s a unique character, I’m a fan of his roleplays, and I think there is great chemistry to be had between Gooch and Envi. I think Gooch could be sold here as a HUGELY serious threat to Envi, given his physical stature, so I’m looking forward to seeing where this feud develops. Excellent ME. One point I will make, goes back to earlier title match. I think Evan could have been under more pressure in the false finish, but Shadow went over well in the match, and the effects on Evan post-match gave the impression it took a mammoth effort from him to retain. Overall, in spite of the notable absence backstage of top guys like Level-One & Biggs it was a good show, a nice swift read. Good matches, and I never felt the show got bogged down with too many segments. We’ve got a clear sense now of what’s happening with the top two belts on Overdrive, we just need a few more stories to flower and it’s all go for Mayhem. I love how you mentioned how there's no logical reason why Dynamo would beat CJ. My talking points focused on trying to answer that question, so I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about that. As far as build-up, I didn't want a PPV match. For me this is exactly what it is: a challenging match against a great opponent & an excuse to try and write a good RP. Trying to get this in Mayhem would've been bad for APW business. I have no doubt Gates will be involved in a feud with a strong opponent, & I'm not gonna take THAT PERSON's spot. But I STRONGLY disagree that CJ no sold. He responded EXACTLY how he should. In an effort to justify his ability to win, Dynamo is projecting CJ in a way that would be detrimental for him to acknowledge. Gates is playing it smart by trying to stay calm so I look crazy, & without giving away material he could use in his promo, I think his rebuttal to me was spot-on, and if his promo sells me as a mosquito better than I sell myself as a walking intervention, he'll probably win. So credit to CJ for selling this match exactly how he should be. But again, Guv, I love that you're thinking about all this stuff. |
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 12, 2013 10:03:49 GMT -4
To be fair, chances are you used your characters real name at some point - either in your RPS or it's in your application which makes that fair game.
I thought your real name was Steve? If that's where Envi got the name ''steve'' from then yes, I would say that's uncalled for.
Funny enough, Level-One never had a name besides Level-One during the first few years but EWC's Amy Rosen did a promo with Level-One's real name being Lester Only, I liked it and had to adopt it and that brings us to where we are today. ;D
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Post by Jules on Apr 12, 2013 10:33:21 GMT -4
I love how you mentioned how there's no logical reason why Dynamo would beat CJ. My talking points focused on trying to answer that question, so I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about that. As far as build-up, I didn't want a PPV match. For me this is exactly what it is: a challenging match against a great opponent & an excuse to try and write a good RP. Trying to get this in Mayhem would've been bad for APW business. I have no doubt Gates will be involved in a feud with a strong opponent, & I'm not gonna take THAT PERSON's spot. You're right, probably need think more mark less smark on this one. Whatever the internal logic of the match, I am looking for forward to the roleplays at least. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Apr 12, 2013 10:41:31 GMT -4
Hey everyone, great feedback so far. I can answer the questions that have been asked of me: 1) I made the action tame between A.C. Smith and Dan White because I was hoping this would be the first of many meetings. I tried to write it that they were feeling each other out. I should've played up the potential title changes, and such, and for that I'll apologize. The rope break thing was an accident, too. I'm a huge fan of A.C. Smith and Dan White and I wanted to write a match that both could get some quality traction with in RPs for a next battle. I tried to stick stuff in there that would be easy for RP fodder. So, if that didn't work, I did have really good intentions. 2) In my RP, I addressed that there would be no hesitation in fighting Amy Zing for being a girl. I've got no problem with the match. I can work with it. I can think of a few things that it can do for my character that may even add a layer to Buck. It gives me more to work with, for that I'm glad. I appreciate someone thinking enough of my character to want to take my match. So, it's all good The effort put forth in the writing was great. I enjoyed the match and I believe it was very well written. |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 12, 2013 10:48:57 GMT -4
I just want to say something. And it's not an excuse. It's not a judgement. It's nothing but a simple explaination.
I know there are "errors" in coding and what not. I know there are things I could have read through better before posting the show. However, consider this: (And this isn't a knock on anybody just where I'm coming from)
I was trying to post the show On time (which is 8pm EST). I got some of my segments early which I easily got placed and ready for the show. BUt most of them I got between 7:15/7:30 and 8:15. Now trying to get the show in on time and make sure everything is right is almost impossible.
Again, not a complaint just throwing that out there. I look over everything that comes to me... if I miss something it's usually due to time constraints.
So we need to either hit the deadline... or the show's are going to be late, cause I'm going to start being more careful about making sure it all fits.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Apr 12, 2013 10:51:36 GMT -4
I just want to say something. And it's not an excuse. It's not a judgement. It's nothing but a simple explaination. I know there are "errors" in coding and what not. I know there are things I could have read through better before posting the show. However, consider this: (And this isn't a knock on anybody just where I'm coming from) I was trying to post the show On time (which is 8pm EST). I got some of my segments early which I easily got placed and ready for the show. BUt most of them I got between 7:15/7:30 and 8:15. Now trying to get the show in on time and make sure everything is right is almost impossible. Again, not a complaint just throwing that out there. I look over everything that comes to me... if I miss something it's usually due to time constraints. So we need to either hit the deadline... or the show's are going to be late, cause I'm going to start being more careful about making sure it all fits. I dig having the shows on time. That's one thing that sets apart APW. Accidents happen. Come on guys, let's not be buttholes about coding errors. Thanks for doing this TMarv. Keep up the great work. |
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Post by Jules on Apr 12, 2013 10:54:44 GMT -4
I just want to say something. And it's not an excuse. It's not a judgement. It's nothing but a simple explaination. I know there are "errors" in coding and what not. I know there are things I could have read through better before posting the show. However, consider this: (And this isn't a knock on anybody just where I'm coming from) I was trying to post the show On time (which is 8pm EST). I got some of my segments early which I easily got placed and ready for the show. BUt most of them I got between 7:15/7:30 and 8:15. Now trying to get the show in on time and make sure everything is right is almost impossible. Again, not a complaint just throwing that out there. I look over everything that comes to me... if I miss something it's usually due to time constraints. So we need to either hit the deadline... or the show's are going to be late, cause I'm going to start being more careful about making sure it all fits. Terry, everyone appreciates the work you do running the show, and it commendable how you maintain the high standards left by Jeff & Rebel. I made a comment on a few things like segment placement, but it's not a dig at you, just a bit of constructive points for consideration. We've all got things we can work on, could do better, it's helpful these points are raised. I'm not on the show, so this probably isn't my call, but if I were on Overdrive I wouldn't be against you working the schedule in a way that suits you. If that means posting the show later, or bringing forward the segment/match deadlines, whatever is going to make it work for you, brother, and ensure you're happy with the show you're posting. EDIT: I'll just add, the difference on the show being posted 8pm or 11pm EST is negligible to me, since I tend to read it the next day being in the UK. I think as long as its posted on the day, that's all good. But if the consensus is for the show to be posted on time, maybe we need an earlier segment/match deadline. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 12, 2013 10:57:47 GMT -4
Not only was this a segment light show, it seemed like a story light show as well. Only seemed to really further, what, maybe 2 feuds going into Mayhem? I know we've still got a lot of weeks, but it is always nice to get the feuds/stories going right out of the gate as opposed to waiting until we draw closer. Then again, maybe that was the point. I know when I was gunning for the Undisputed title, the title match/feud took a backseat to others, so maybe this was a way to make the World title important again? I don't know but it seemed like the only thing furthered by this show was the World title story, though it might just be me missing something/looking for more feuds to have officially started?
But moving on...
Well written matches. Glad people enjoyed the Gooch/Zing match. Might not have been as good as it should have been, but I was running low on time throughout the day. Enjoyed the six man (never easy to write a match like that) as well as the Overdrive title match. I agree that there could have been a bit more to the Xtreme title match, though I get where Gooch is coming from.
As for Dynamo/Gates...I can see where Jules is coming from. I think that segment was filled with too much OOC anger/frustration then anything else, and I just wanted to get something together segment wise for the show. Still trying to find out where to take Gates, and it seems that whenever I deviate from the norm with him, people don't like it. Oh well, it is what it is. As for the match itself, it was always intended as a one off, but Dynamo wanted to make it more, for whatever reason. Hindsight now shows that we could have done more, but when we made the date and everything I had no clue what was happening beyond Rasslemania. Kind of in limbo right now lol.
As for the real name use in Shadow's case...it would be different, to me, if the commentators were doing it, or if it was slipping into the match description. But considering the only one really using it is Evan, I'd say it's not as odd. One thing, though, like Level One said, if it's in your profile it's fair game (which is the only reason I call Level One Lester, much to his hatred lol)
Overall, it was a decent show. Not much in the way of feud progression, but there were a few character spots as well as the big reveal of the Mayhem main event for Overdrive. Well written matches (per normal around here).
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 12, 2013 11:00:04 GMT -4
And in response...
Posting the show on time could mean a lot of different things. To me, on time is the night it's supposed to go up, so if you need to take extra time to put it together/make sure it's good because people continually send in segments at 7:30, I say take it. Worst case is the show doesn't go up until 11 PM.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 12, 2013 11:04:14 GMT -4
Let me also add... that I don't take any offense to anything in this thread...lol
It's all constructive to me and I appreciate every ounce of it.
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Post by Jules on Apr 12, 2013 11:04:30 GMT -4
I know when I was gunning for the Undisputed title, the title match/feud took a backseat to others, so maybe this was a way to make the World title important again? Good point. I'm a bit old-fashioned in this sense, but I think the World/Undisputed Title should always be top billing on the show. As for Dynamo/Gates...I can see where Jules is coming from. I think that segment was filled with too much OOC anger/frustration then anything else, and I just wanted to get something together segment wise for the show. Still trying to find out where to take Gates, and it seems that whenever I deviate from the norm with him, people don't like it. Oh well, it is what it is. As for the match itself, it was always intended as a one off, but Dynamo wanted to make it more, for whatever reason. Hindsight now shows that we could have done more, but when we made the date and everything I had no clue what was happening beyond Rasslemania. Kind of in limbo right now lol. You're a victim of your own success, C.J. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 12, 2013 11:10:12 GMT -4
As for Dynamo/Gates...I can see where Jules is coming from. I think that segment was filled with too much OOC anger/frustration then anything else, and I just wanted to get something together segment wise for the show. Still trying to find out where to take Gates, and it seems that whenever I deviate from the norm with him, people don't like it. Oh well, it is what it is. As for the match itself, it was always intended as a one off, but Dynamo wanted to make it more, for whatever reason. Hindsight now shows that we could have done more, but when we made the date and everything I had no clue what was happening beyond Rasslemania. Kind of in limbo right now lol. You're a victim of your own success, C.J. Lol, seems like it. Might just have to stick to the bread and butter until Gates gets really stale lol |
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Post by Jules on Apr 12, 2013 12:50:33 GMT -4
You're a victim of your own success, C.J. Lol, seems like it. Might just have to stick to the bread and butter until Gates gets really stale lol I don't think you've gone stale, bro. Part of the problem may be CJ has been such a mainstay on Overdrive: he's a bit like a comfort blanket, we always know he's going to be there to fight for the fans and keep the assholes in check. But if you feel you need to tweak some stuff, you should go for it. You've got to do what keeps you interested and motivated in the game. |
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Post by "The Real Deal" Ellis Graham on Apr 12, 2013 13:38:20 GMT -4
The Gates character is far from stale, and given that I've read all of your rp's & segments since RM8, I think I can say that fairly authoritatively.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 12, 2013 15:15:49 GMT -4
Lol, seems like it. Might just have to stick to the bread and butter until Gates gets really stale lol I don't think you've gone stale, bro. Part of the problem may be CJ has been such a mainstay on Overdrive: he's a bit like a comfort blanket, we always know he's going to be there to fight for the fans and keep the assholes in check. But if you feel you need to tweak some stuff, you should go for it. You've got to do what keeps you interested and motivated in the game. This. And to throw in my .02 - I think Dynamo has soured everybody on the match already and it's still a week away. The way he's approached it is like Gates is doing him some big favor by having a match with him when the last time Dynamo was around APW, he was gone before we even knew what happened. In-character, you can't expect to come in, touting a championship from another organization that most people haven't even heard of. While I hate to burst your bubble, you'd be hard-pressed to find 4-5 people here that are even know what OWF and less could probably name one other person that participates there. He's coming on an APW show, facing an APW legend, and claiming that facing him (Dynamo) is going to save his career? The man is coming off main-eventing RassleMania, and there is zero shame in losing to Terry Marvin... who's defeated the entire APW in a span of about 6 months, some of us twice over. It's the same problem he had last time he was here. The Dynamo character has really oversold himself and honestly, I'm about as interested as seeing the match as reading a Jason Andrews roleplay. The whole thing comes off as a little brother, jumping up and down, trying to get the big kids to notice him for a few seconds. Trying to illustrate it, and the only thing I could come up with was what would have happened if X-Pac was the only WWF member to show up on WCW TV to start the nWo and threaten Hulk Hogan? The WWF would have laughed all the way home. Sorry, I just don't get it. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 12, 2013 18:28:48 GMT -4
Well if the consensus is that he's not stale, I guess I have nothing to worry about (which is all it was - a worry lol).
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Post by "The Real Deal" Ellis Graham on Apr 12, 2013 21:38:23 GMT -4
I don't think you've gone stale, bro. Part of the problem may be CJ has been such a mainstay on Overdrive: he's a bit like a comfort blanket, we always know he's going to be there to fight for the fans and keep the assholes in check. But if you feel you need to tweak some stuff, you should go for it. You've got to do what keeps you interested and motivated in the game. This. And to throw in my .02 - I think Dynamo has soured everybody on the match already and it's still a week away. The way he's approached it is like Gates is doing him some big favor by having a match with him when the last time Dynamo was around APW, he was gone before we even knew what happened. In-character, you can't expect to come in, touting a championship from another organization that most people haven't even heard of. While I hate to burst your bubble, you'd be hard-pressed to find 4-5 people here that are even know what OWF and less could probably name one other person that participates there. He's coming on an APW show, facing an APW legend, and claiming that facing him (Dynamo) is going to save his career? The man is coming off main-eventing RassleMania, and there is zero shame in losing to Terry Marvin... who's defeated the entire APW in a span of about 6 months, some of us twice over. It's the same problem he had last time he was here. The Dynamo character has really oversold himself and honestly, I'm about as interested as seeing the match as reading a Jason Andrews roleplay. The whole thing comes off as a little brother, jumping up and down, trying to get the big kids to notice him for a few seconds. Trying to illustrate it, and the only thing I could come up with was what would have happened if X-Pac was the only WWF member to show up on WCW TV to start the nWo and threaten Hulk Hogan? The WWF would have laughed all the way home. Sorry, I just don't get it. I'm sorry that I've soured this match, and I appreciate your honesty, as I'm sure others roll their eyes every time Dynamo sticks his nose in APW business. In my defense: 1) the "save his career" talking point is the only answer I could come up with to the question "Why would a little-known outsider beat one of the franchise players of the company?", so I'm selling it, because I didn't think a traditional "two guys having a good fight" gameplan gave me any chance at all. 2) I hope you at least credit for seeing the ridiculousness of my argument enough to have the APW crowd booing me. Worst-case scenario, I help CJ get a huge crowd pop when he runs me out the door. 3) Most importantly, for all the "lets fight" wagers that get thrown around every S&C, I've never seen one come to fruition yet so I honestly had no clue how to properly hype it. Admittedly, I've gone overboard (especially on Twitter, where I could really use some help on not being a total attention whore) but its only because I'm treading ground I've never tread before, which is exciting for me, but I certainly understand your sentiment. Let me end by saying thanks to CJ, Jeff, and TMarv for letting this match happen. If anything, I hope my overboard-ness indicates my excitement (which some of you may remember i really suck at tempering). |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 12, 2013 22:24:49 GMT -4
Fair points all around. Nobody will ever doubt your excitement.
Let the record show, despite how much Rebel may dislike Dynamo in-character, I appreciate the energy you bring around here out of character. You take criticism in stride, a lost art sometimes in the EW world.
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Post by "The Real Deal" Ellis Graham on Apr 12, 2013 22:30:00 GMT -4
Fair points all around. Nobody will ever doubt your excitement. Let the record show, despite how much Rebel may dislike Dynamo in-character, I appreciate the energy you bring around here out of character. You take criticism in stride, a lost art sometimes in the EW world. Hey, you had the chance to special guest ref. |
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Post by chaos lite on Apr 14, 2013 20:32:34 GMT -4
Feedback coming tonight. I'm going to try to start leaving feedback on all 3 shows again... something I've fallen out of, mainly due to time constraints.
I must say though that I love what Dynamo has been doing for this match, and regardless of the decision, I love that he's been making the main point of this feud about putting CJ Gates over, one way or another. THAT is what e-fedding should be about.
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