Overdrive 4/18 Feedback and Discussion

[T-Marv]

Thanks to Dynamo/Gates for writing the Main Event. Big Thanks to Dan White who wasn't feeling up to it but wrote a match anyways. And HUGE thanks to Buckson Gooch for a double Match writing duty.

Thanks to Envi, Gooch, Delikado, AC Smith, and Callahan (did I miss someone) for segments.

I think this weeks show came together a little better, at least I hope it did.

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[Buckson Gooch]

I'm going to give feedback as I read in real time.

Segment 1 - I love how Envi started outside and got heat and then came in the building. I imagine that the heat would be off the chart. Great opening remarks. Solid, passionate response from A.C. Smith. I'm really digging this wrinkle to his character. Callahan was right on the money bringing the fans into his credentials from Asylum. If it wasn't for those, the belt he is carrying is worthless. Callahan has looked very strong and this was solidified by some solid work and some great work by a solid heel Envi. What's the old adage? A heel makes you love a face much more? I dunno. DELIKADO! Two of my favorite things in one Deli segment...Delikado and Steak. WIN! Callahan going against the odds was solid, and Envi and Deli's retreat was perfect played up by the bow at the end. Fantastic start to Overdrive.

- Good interaction between Harvey and Chase that let the reader know what was going on. I imagine we have a lot of people from other feds check out the results and explaining things in details is a great deal. So many feds act like only their people read and that takes a lot out of a solid show. Real wrestling shows try to do everything they can to suck in a viewer and to keep them, I'm glad APW does that too.

- Delikado vs. Johnny Rebel? Yes, please! I had a blast writing this match. I really tried to put something special into it. I hope Deli/Reb are pleased. I love the line that T-Marv put at the end, "Chase: Delikado just proved why WRESTLING is cool once again.." That was a great line. I'm sure Deli could run a mile with that...but what CAN'T Deli run a mile with?

- Delikado/Gooch Segment - Solid stuff from Deli. The glitter suit made me laugh after glitter bombing Rebel. We worked together on this, but Deli really hit a home run in building up for something later. Dump truck of sanitizer? Nice!

- L1 vs. Buckson Gooch - I was shocked that I got picked. The goal I had for this match was that Level One is the legend that he claims to be, but that (even unexperienced) Gooch has heart. His wrestling will eventually get there, but he's got the heart now. Level One has toughness and skill...I tried playing that up. I liked the viciousness of Level One, even to the point of trying to break the spirit of Gooch...well, that was at least my goal. Level One is an amazing talent and I hope that my match came close to his RP this week. If you didn't read it...do. It's a great read...as a matter of fact, here's the link:

apwprez.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=odrp2012&action=display&thread=17063

See? Great stuff! Great follow-up by TMarv, I like that Gooch is still pleased when the crowd cheers him. The smile was a good touch. Not because he was happy he lost, but that he was glad the fans recognize he gave it his all...at least that's what I got from it.

- Envi/Gooch Segment - Envi gets the credit for 90% of this. I just filled in what Gooch would say. If WWE/TNA/ROH were smart, they'd see how Envi puts together segments and elicits heat. Always well planned. Always hits the root of what's going on. I mostly only watch NXT and the stuff the WWE puts on YouTube (and then only some of it), their segments are so hit and miss...Envi hits 100% of the time. My responses seemed robotic to Evan's smooth delivery with all the characters involved. Iron sharpens Iron and I see another area I can improve.

- Amy Zing vs. Shadow - Excellent job of building up Shadow's strength and Zing's resilience. Both look extremely strong. Solid match writing for two solid Overdrive stars. I had a blast working with Amy last week and teaming with Shadow two weeks ago. I really enjoy both of their characters.

- I know everyone realizes this, but how great is it that we have such a diversity of characters on Overdrive? So many feds have 25 Steve Austins, 3 Rocks, a Brock Lesnar, and a half an R-Truth...We have Deli, Envi, Level One, Callahan, Shadow, Smith...and I'm sure others I'm leaving off. I dig how creative, clever, and independent our characters are of real life characters.

- Delikado/Jimmy segment - Solid work from Deli again. I'm enjoying working on the growth of the Jimmy Gooch character with Deli. Great job in getting over what could be his role in the match later in the card. Great read...hilarity.

- L1/Envi - I love how Envi was making the rounds with the potential refs. We see two different results tonight, Gooch accepts the resolve to get along with enthusiasm and Level-One returns it with a threat...but in the end, both had said they'd call it down the middle. Great work between L1 and Envi.

- Champion Triple Threat - Deli with the Last Call to Cuba to start the match? Nice. The response from all involved was good. Envi using the distraction to take advantage of Smith was solid. The back and forth between Smith and Envi was very good. Smith has really developed a solid character from his RPs to how his wrestler...well...wrestles. It's easy, as a match writer, to get into Smith's character. That's no accident, that's solid thinking by Mr. Champagne. Great reentry by Callahan. Great work between L1 and Deli as the refs. Their attacking of Callahan and Envi's win seemed like a well orchestrated drive for the heels. Not that they planned it that way...but just that the bad guys think that way. Great read!

- Envi/Gooch segment - Quite a bit of mystery here...I'm sure more will be told later. Gooch had his shoulder popped out by L1 and now he's been cut by glass...It's been a tough night for the Goocher, but he'd still give his all regardless.

- Main Event - Dynamo vs. Gates - Solid work by the match writer. Great win for Gates. I'm really pumped about Dynamo's Ellis character on Meltdown, so it was great for Gates to get a little push on Overdrive. Ellis is going places...great character. Great main event.

Gooch's MVP of the Night - Has to go to Evan Envi. He obviously worked hard on his segments and it was Evan Envi that made the show feel very cohesive. Great work by everyone this week, but Envi gets the nod for MVP from me.

Gooch's Match of the Night - I have to give that to the Triple Threat. In one match you had Callahan, Smith, Envi, Deli, and L1, all playing their part to the hilt. Great read.

Gooch's Questions/Overview - Did I miss the battle royal? I've got crying kids and could've missed it. I'm excited to see where so many characters are going leading up to Mayhem. I know I'm facing off with Envi, but it seems there are some questions as to where some of our other top dogs are going to be landing...tonight just proved that anyone could do great with anyone...but that goes back to my point about solid characters. When you create distinctive, believable, entertaining characters it makes reading the RPs a blast, it helps the match writers write solid matches, and makes working together on segments an utter joy.

Great work this week, T-Marv. You did a great job of putting the show together. Top notch RPer as well as staffer for Overdrive.

Great job everyone! Looking forward to next week!

[T-Marv]

There was no battle royal. It became Shadow vs. Amy because those who would be in the Battle royal Had things going on that required a No Show.

So I made it Zing vs. Shadow to HIGHLIGHT them for showing.

[Buckson Gooch]

Apr 18, 2013 23:24:14 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

There was no battle royal. It became Shadow vs. Amy because those who would be in the Battle royal Had things going on that required a No Show.

So I made it Zing vs. Shadow to HIGHLIGHT them for showing.

Great idea! They come off looking like a million bucks!

["The Real Deal" Ellis Graham]

I've liked when Overdrive goes in a fun theme direction. While I was researching my match with Gates, I watched a lot of Overdrive, and J-Reb's Thanksgiving episode was an awesome wrinkle. Raw has its theme nights alot, and one of my favorite things about APW has always been that it really seems like as a fed it does all the little things WWE does, except does it better. Every fed projects itself as "the WWE of the e-fed world" but it's really hard to argue against APW with all the details and the community.

Anyways, the actual show:

This was a HUGE show for promoting the midcard of the show. The future of Overdrive was prevalent on this episode in a way that WWE just doesn't have the personalities to match.

Thumbs up to AC Smith. After such an emotional promo, completely reverting back to normal in OD would've taken away from its genuineness. I imagined a thunderous pop when Smith started turning Envi's segment against him. Great work.

I feel like Buckson Gooch is the guy everyone wants to feud with. It is incredibly hard to be always positive, and I think his interactions with Envikado are proving to be a great opportunity to show off the depth of those characters. In other words, Gooch is a guy that is making everyone around him better.

That said, Envikado was also great. I feel like Evan Envi is the WWE version of Dolph Ziggler. He always adds so much to every segment or match he's in, and it's at the point where I kinda wanna root for him even though he's heel.

Shadow vs Zing was a great match to put together. Two of the newer faces on the brand. Great chance for Zing to make a name for herself by building off of this.

Thanks to CJ for helping bring my match up to main event material. I hope at least one person shuddered at the idea of countering a moonsault with a superkick, and I hope that Gates came out looking like a tenacious hero despite the lack of organic credibility of his opponent. I'm proud of the RP I did, but Gates' was better. Hope I didn't cost him a strong feud for Mayhem.

Another great show this week!

[C.J. Gates]

Great show.

I loved how the segments were, more or less, all connected. It seemed like there was a steady stream running through the entire show, which helped with all of the builds. Always awesome when that happens.

I was also thrown by the lack of a battle royal but then realized that Zing vs. Shadow worked better. Not to knock them, but everyone else that would have been in the battle royal are already established Overdrive guys, while they're still getting their "sea legs" on this brand (well, less so for Shadow but you know what I mean!). Good choice.

Delikado continues to slay me with his work. Awesome stuff and I look forward to the next week, every week just to see what's going to happen next.

Matches were also well done, and props to the writers. It's never easy writing a match the day of (I tend to write a bit of it a few days before and then finish it day of) let alone two. So big thanks to Gooch for that, and for White for writing one while not feeling up to it.

Big thanks to Dynamo for the match. Was good to write against you, and the match you wrote was pretty much the match on the show - I didn't change too much.

That's pretty much it for me, and I will look forward to what next week has in store.

["The Welsh Dragon" Dan White]

Cheers guys, though it truly was the worst match I've written in a very long time. I'm sorry to Zing and Shadow for that.

[Shadow]

I went looking for, and couldn't find the APW feedback thread we all discussed what we though about the past year and how the company was going what we thought should happen etc. This feedback really falls under that but I'll start with the little I will provide for Overdrive.

This show was a great idea ruined by two no shows. While Havok and White had valid reasons, Johnny Rebel and Mark Mania are supposed to set examples for this brand. I know Rebel has alot going on and I understand that, but thats two weeks in a row and as for Mania, he no shows way too often and sometimes when he does, it's only a half ass roleplay.
My shoot for Mania was a professional shoot all in character fueled by my working with him since I came to Overdrive. Sorry Mark but if you don't have time to be here then don't be here, or let the GMs know.

Terry Marvin and President Jeff: Overdrive under the commision of Alexander Duvall is too much like RAW under the commission of John Laurinaitis. From my perspective that was one of the worst runs of RAW in history. The character needs to be changed or needs to go. This analogy took awhile to determine; I haven't been looking at Overdrive in respect to RAW, I don't watch wrestling on TV anymore. But the fact is the Heel GM needs a real opposition and WHC Callahan doesn't get the shine he needs to stick it to the GM. Something needs to be done otherwise this looks like a Heel favored show.

Now for what constitutes APW Feed back

I didn't leave alot in the match writing for Overdrive because it goes here.

Matches: I am glad people can write solid matches here in APW. You've shown that. But there is a big problem with people writing matches when they know nothing about the character. Im using Shadow as an example because well, this week I felt my character was grossly misrepresented...again. On the roster page we all list our wrestler's fighting style. Why is that ignored when people write matches? It appears that most people who write matches just look at the moves and go from there. NO. The only three people in the past year who have effectively written Shadow are as followed...Johnny Rebel, Slade and Biggs. All of these three have extensive work with the character, Rebel as GM of Meltdown, Slade for obvious reasons and Biggs because of the history between the characters. If you are going to write matches about charcaters you don't know anything about take the time to review the bio, previous matches or just PM the handler. A lot of the time I don't look at who writes the matches because I honestly don't care so this isn't directed at any one person. Usually if I have an issue with the way my charcater is written I then look it up and offer constructive criticism to the writer ie like I did for Kurt Noble and Evan Envi. You make characters look bad when you misrepresent them so please look at those three options before you just whip up a match.

Storylines: Guys I know people come up with some good storylines here. But sadly with the way the results run, they are all too predictable. Im going to use Terry Marvin's retirement ruse as an example. Terry you went to great lengths to fool people and thats commendable, but it was a yawner. The reason: the final result was EXPECTED. You have to surprise people every now and then. I can list several ways but thats all hindsight. If you are working a storyline with someone, don't just go week to week either, plan stuff out take the time and put some quality into your on show presentation.

GM feedback: I any profession you can go to your boss and privately say "How is my work performance?" And they will provide you with feedback as to what they like/dislike and where they think you need improvement. Several times I have privately PMed a head honcho and requested managerial feedback, never have I received any. That is awful. With the rapid change from President Jeff to Johnny Rebel to Alexander Duvall, Overdrive is playing musical GM and each boss has their own style of reviewing roleplays, so I would expect since there is no defined criteria. If your character is on a cold streak you need should be able to go to the person in change and ask for advice. GMs you should provide said advice in order to keep the writer's creative juices flowing.

Predictability: Yes APW has become very predictable. This falls in with storylines. I can look at any card and predict all the winners now. Thats SAD. Guys if your character is like that, throw a match every now and then. Shake things up make the show interesting. Im using Shadow as an example again. Johnny Rebel, I havent talked about this but with one other person but on Meltdown awhile back Shadow was on a hot streak. I liked my opponent, he was a hard worker (so I thought) and I felt he deserved to be rewarded for his hard work so I PMed J Reb and said, "if he roleplays let him win." It shocked alot of people on the feedback forum and gave me more to write about because it looked more like a soap opera. Sadly he didn't keep is dedication up and ended up becoming a no shower who fizzeled out.
APW sometimes seems to kill a lot of good talent because of the superstars who always win. People show up and pour their minds into their roleplays and after one to two months apparently "can't hack it" and leave because they cant go anywhere. Azrael is a good example. The man had a great character, was pushed really hard, and then once he lost his title match to Mania (see above comments) he left. Granted he shouldn't have been given a title shot for just coming here but his dedication and willingness to work OCC (our tag match) made him a great addition to this place but he just flamed out. Another example is Buckson Gooch. Buck I'm naming you because A) I like you character and B) you work hard man. Gooch has been given several pushes and thats great he's earned them, but everytime he falls short. This can be detrimental to the handler, they can run out of ideas, or even a desire to write. If you're going to run a storyline with someone and continuously push them, then they should get rewarded for their efforts with more than just a loss.

I understand that this is all a game and supposed to be fun but what fun is losing all the time? Im not talking about me, I know Im on a hard cold streak. Not asking anyone to throw a match with me, I've sought help and that brings us to the next point.

Veterans. If you're a great roleplayer and your work shows it, PROVIDE FEEDBACK. Otherwise what good is the feedback forum? Your job is to help the next generation of writers get better so they can take over for us when we're finally done. I haven't left feedback to people's roleplays because I don't think I can offer any help with my current record. When I was on Meltdown, I did.

Match Judging: Slade once mentioned a need for a public criteria for roleplays and was met with hostility I'm not requesting that. But the word limit is really being called into question right now. People say "you can go a little over but don't go overboard." Thats crap because guess what, there is no defined word limit now. I say that because I don't know if my roleplay was disqualified this week. I don't have a good program to judge word count and requested assistance on that. My roleplay could have lost for other reasons I don't know. Nevertheless this is not the first time I've witnessed someone do twice as much work and lose. No offense to Amy Zing I know last week was hard on her emotionally but my loss this week was the first surprise Ive seen on Overdrive in a LONG time.

None of this was an attack on anyone. Its all feedback to try and help this company because I love APW. I wouldn't be sticking around if I didn't Granted if this company continues without any changes I will leave but I don't want to. I like writing roleplays I like working with people here. Im trying to offer my insight as a reader/writer and tell you what I see.

Best of luck with this week's Overdrive. I'll leave feedback after reading it.

[Jules]

Shadow, I don't why but you've got this strange bee in your bonnet on the feedback forum of late. Now I'm not going to try to stonewall anyone who wants to give feedback because I believe it is inherently a good thing, but I think you need some perspective when you do it. You may not be attacking a person, but your recent feedback constitutes a general attack on APW. There is some good constructive points here, but the way you're pitching them it's looking like a lot of accusations.

Listen, I'm not trying to flame you here mate, nor do I have any desire to start up any silly nonsense, so I'll refrain from a detailed point by point response (insomuch as it is my place to offer one), and simply point out that the people committed around here do a lot of work, they do it voluntarily, so cut them some slack.

I say this because you mention a few things about stuff like match writing. It's a real bug bear of mine when someone who doesn't write matches criticises those who do. You want someone to write your character in a particular way, let them know about it. It's equally courteous for a handler to contact a match writer as vice versa. The way I see it, match writing is the heart beat of this game. RPing is an entirely selfish process where the end-game is winning, but match writing is doing something for somebody else. So rather than bitch about it, be active and lend the person writing your match a hand and offer them some tips/some spots/a strat/whatever is going to stop you feeling someone has let you down (even though they are doing you and the fed a favour).

Other than that, if someone does something you don't like, just no-sell it.

As for the no-shows. He doesn't need me to defend him, but J-Reb's laptop is down and out. This fact has been noted on the forums. I don't know about Mark Mania, there may be a reason, it may be private--- who knows?. Either way, it's kind of a cheap shot for you name those two, especially Rebel who deserves more respect for what he has done for APW in his time.

I'll leave it at that. I could go on, but the tone of your post has irked me such that I could write all night, and I'll leave it to relevant persons to reply should they want to.

[President Jeff]

I think we should go back to the old school results of

Guy A def Guy B and so on.

[Pepsi]

Apr 22, 2013 19:42:04 GMT -4 Jules said:

As for the no-shows. He doesn't need me to defend him, but J-Reb's laptop is down and out. This fact has been noted on the forums. I don't know about Mark Mania, there may be a reason, it may be private--- who knows?. Either way, it's kind of a cheap shot for you name those two, especially Rebel who deserves more respect for what he has done for APW in his time.

I am actually pretty sure Mania lives in the Boston area. After the week Boston had I think his no show is justified.

[T-Marv]

Apr 22, 2013 19:42:04 GMT -4 Jules said:

Shadow, I don't why but you've got this strange bee in your bonnet on the feedback forum of late. Now I'm not going to try to stonewall anyone who wants to give feedback because I believe it is inherently a good thing, but I think you need some perspective when you do it. You may not be attacking a person, but your recent feedback constitutes a general attack on APW. There is some good constructive points here, but the way you're pitching them it's looking like a lot of accusations.

Listen, I'm not trying to flame you here mate, nor do I have any desire to start up any silly nonsense, so I'll refrain from a detailed point by point response (insomuch as it is my place to offer one), and simply point out that the people committed around here do a lot of work, they do it voluntarily, so cut them some slack.

I say this because you mention a few things about stuff like match writing. It's a real bug bear of mine when someone who doesn't write matches criticises those who do. You want someone to write your character in a particular way, let them know about it. It's equally courteous for a handler to contact a match writer as vice versa. The way I see it, match writing is the heart beat of this game. RPing is an entirely selfish process where the end-game is winning, but match writing is doing something for somebody else. So rather than bitch about it, be active and lend the person writing your match a hand and offer them some tips/some spots/a strat/whatever is going to stop you feeling someone has let you down (even though they are doing you and the fed a favour).

Other than that, if someone does something you don't like, just no-sell it.

As for the no-shows. He doesn't need me to defend him, but J-Reb's laptop is down and out. This fact has been noted on the forums. I don't know about Mark Mania, there may be a reason, it may be private--- who knows?. Either way, it's kind of a cheap shot for you name those two, especially Rebel who deserves more respect for what he has done for APW in his time.

I'll leave it at that. I could go on, but the tone of your post has irked me such that I could write all night, and I'll leave it to relevant persons to reply should they want to.

+10

I will say this. YES shadow, you asked for feedback. Yes, I have'nt gotten to you yet. I thought it would be more fair to you if I took my time and reviewed your last few rps all together and give you good solid FEEDBACK instead of something slapped together.

You called out J-Reb? Bitch move dude! J Reb has done more for APW than you....period. He's a better person than you could imagine, and he's Top Notch...

Your post sounds like "WAAAA. I lost so I'm going to shit on everything." It wasn't constructive in anyway and was venomous. It was your attempt to tear APW down.

That's unacceptable. I'm done with it.

[Jules]

Apr 22, 2013 19:45:12 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

Apr 22, 2013 19:42:04 GMT -4 Jules said:

As for the no-shows. He doesn't need me to defend him, but J-Reb's laptop is down and out. This fact has been noted on the forums. I don't know about Mark Mania, there may be a reason, it may be private--- who knows?. Either way, it's kind of a cheap shot for you name those two, especially Rebel who deserves more respect for what he has done for APW in his time.

I am actually pretty sure Mania lives in the Boston area. After the week Boston had I think his no show is justified.

That was kind of my point. There may be private reasons for the no-show; it's nobody's business to make assumptions or jump to conclusions if you aren't privy to all the facts.

[Buckson Gooch]

Hold up...you mean when you get pinned you don't win?...WHAT THE WHAAAAAT!!!!!!



Come on guys, let's remember this is a hobby. We do this for fun.

Shadow, I like you a lot, and I don't know what's going on with you in RL. I appreciate you liking my character, as I dig yours, but this seems out of character (as an individual) for you to go on a rant like this. Are you okay, bro?

[Pepsi]

Apr 22, 2013 19:48:43 GMT -4 Jules said:

Apr 22, 2013 19:45:12 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

I am actually pretty sure Mania lives in the Boston area. After the week Boston had I think his no show is justified.

That was kind of my point. There may be private reasons for the no-show; it's nobody's business to make assumptions or jump to conclusions if you aren't privy to all the facts.

Yeah that wasn't directed at you it was more directed at Shadow and a defence of Mark.

[Level-Two]

As far as I know, Mark Mania is done here. I will not go into details but that's how I understand it and take his last two no shows. I do not know why he was booked to begin with but that isn't my call.

As for Shadows post; I will look closer at some of the issues hes raised but I cant properly address them at this time. However for starters as a vet, I am not obligated nor should it be expected of me to offer feedback as I have NEVER asked for it myself.. I do give feedback althought rarely and often times its in private when asked of me personally.

[T-Marv]

Apr 22, 2013 20:16:32 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

As far as I know, Mark Mania is done here. I will not go into details but that's how I understand it and take his last two no shows. I do not know why he was booked to begin with but that isn't my call.

As for Shadows post; I will look closer at some of the issues hes raised but I cant properly address them at this time. However for starters as a vet, I am not obligated nor should it be expected of me to offer feedback as I have NEVER asked for it myself.. I do give feedback althought rarely and often times its in private when asked of me personally.

He was booked cause he asked to be.

If he's done here, I have not been told.

[Level-Two]

Apr 22, 2013 20:22:06 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Apr 22, 2013 20:16:32 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

As far as I know, Mark Mania is done here. I will not go into details but that's how I understand it and take his last two no shows. I do not know why he was booked to begin with but that isn't my call.

As for Shadows post; I will look closer at some of the issues hes raised but I cant properly address them at this time. However for starters as a vet, I am not obligated nor should it be expected of me to offer feedback as I have NEVER asked for it myself.. I do give feedback althought rarely and often times its in private when asked of me personally.

He was booked cause he asked to be.

If he's done here, I have not been told.

Well, there you go! Thanks for setting me straight, lol!

[T-Marv]

The sad fact is... Shadow brought up a couple good points that will likely be missed cause of the way he presented them.

Feedback is one thing... I appreciate it. But do it the RIGHT way and not in a manner that screams droping your trousers and squirting a giant #2 all over the place.

(yes, that was a throwback for Kash....you're welcome)

[Pepsi]

^^^

This, all day long.

There were some valid points, but the overall negative tone just sours me against the whole post. It felt more critical and less constructive. There are points worth discussing i.e. wrestling styles incorporated in matches, and perhaps some way to help those in slumps get occasional wins through creative booking. If there can be an open and respectful discussion about these things then great, but the negativity from Shadow is not the right way of going about that discussion.

[Shadow]

I stated this was not an attack on anyone. I also stated J Reb was busy I know this from working with him in the past it just royally sucks that as one of Overdrive's staples he missed two weeks in a row. Mark Mania is a different story. If he lived in the Boston area my thoughts are with him in this difficult time.
I specified how my in character work was written with in character performances in mind.

For Jules: I cannot write matches. One I lack the time, two I lack the skill that alot of people here do. I don't do well writing action sequences, they look like that out of a novel, because as a writer thats what I do in my other free time.
I have never criticized anyone's match writing abilities. I have requested they review the character bios before doing writing matches or PMing people. Also like I said I don't know who writes the matches half the time, because Im usually on here reading bios and results for my roleplays. I don't really look at the match writing thread.

Next: This was not a WAAAA moment. I just don't sugar coat anything, if you've read my shoots you know that. I'm blunt and to the point. If you want to message me to offer a way to help me with how I produce my feedback please do, I will read and incorporate into this week's feedback. Im trying to get more involved here.

The reason I've been so detatched here is because back in the day when Slade handled the Shadow character, I would write my roleplays give them to him and he would post them because my net was dial up. (this is back in the AKA Axis days)Yes I had dial up in 2010. I came back after Mayhem because Slade was having trouble handling the character and I stayed off the OCC boards because I honestly had NO CLUE what to say or do. plus most people thought we were the same person.

Nothing is bothering me in real life I just don't think telling people "Good job" every week is beneficial. It's like giving everyone a participation trophy. Yes you put in a lot of hard work to put the show together and we thank you, that is never missed but after reviewing feedback for awhile I have not seen any offer much. They just discuss what they liked not where we can improve. I love APW I am disappointed in the fact that one person says something negative then it "becomes an attack." No it's called feedback. If I suck I expect someone to tell me I suck (cue the next person to respond with the phrase: Shadow sucks).

As stated this is a hobby, I never want it to become a waste of time. If anything IS bothering me its the worry that it may in the near future.

[Jules]

I understand not everyone can write matches. I'm not calling out anyone for that, and it's cool for people to give feedback on their match. In fact, read any of my posts about feedback on shows, I am always imploring people to give feedback on at least one thing - how their match was written.

But here's the thing Shadow, you're not offering constructive feedback when you bury anyone who has written a match for Shadow with the comment that that in your opinion only Rebel, Biggs and Slade have written an effective Shadow match in the last year. I don't know if I've ever written a match with Shadow, to be honest I don't really care---- my point isn't about me.

Constructive feedback goes something like this: "Hey man, thanks for writing my match last week; I appreciate the effort. Just a tip for the future, my guy is a super heavyweight, he wouldn't really do a moonsault. He's a face, he wouldn't really resort to cheating or goading the fans. If you're writing for my guy again and want some tips or help, just send me a PM. Again, I really appreciate you taking the time to write my match."

I've put that a bit roughly, but the tone is completely different to saying 'hey, you didn't write my character effectively.'

There's a difference between speaking plainly or bluntly and being rude and insulting.

[T-Marv]

You stated this was not an attack on anyone.... fine

That's like me saying this.

"Hey Jules, this is not an attack on you, but everything you're doing is CRAP. You're doing this wrong and this wrong and this wrong and you'd better stop or I'm gonna leave."

Guess what... THAT WAS AN ATTACK!

And this

Granted if this company continues without any changes I will leave but I don't want to.

Firstly... don't threaten me. I don't do threats!
Secondly... Some of your points were valid... I will look into some changes because I want to better APW, not because I give into tantrums.
Thirdly... Good luck in your future endeavors.

[Shadow]

Wasn't a threat just a "this kind of how I see things going." I don't consider myself "valuable" enough to "threaten."

Wasn't a tantrum don't see why everyone sees it as such.

But in regards to the feedback response you stated in here. The reason for the feedback comment was the silence on the matter. I had no idea you were going to take the time to evaluate multiple roleplays, a PM saying "I will get back to you on this if you don't hear from be by such and such remind me." would have changed my mind on the lack of GM feedback. I had asked Rebel when I was promoted back to Overdrive for feedback and didnt hear anything didn't know if that route was going again.


Jules, I've left feedback like that before in PMs to former match writers, just hadn't seen it take affect in the show, so it had to be put bluntly this time. I will consider doing so in the future based upon performance.

Again this isn't a tantrum and is NOT an attack on anyone. If you see it as such, well I can't help you there. Just try to sift through the harshness for the key points. Why the negative tone? Because it needed to be said and I couldn't find a positive way to do it. I felt last weeks Overdrive feedback was more positive, I don't know if others do the same but I'm driving my point home this week.

Sometimes you get a bad review people.

[Shadow]

Wasn't a threat just a "this kind of how I see things going." I don't consider myself "valuable" enough to "threaten."

Wasn't a tantrum don't see why everyone sees it as such.

But in regards to the feedback response you stated in here. The reason for the feedback comment was the silence on the matter. I had no idea you were going to take the time to evaluate multiple roleplays, a PM saying "I will get back to you on this if you don't hear from be by such and such remind me." would have changed my mind on the lack of GM feedback. I had asked Rebel when I was promoted back to Overdrive for feedback and didnt hear anything didn't know if that route was going again.


Jules, I've left feedback like that before in PMs to former match writers, just hadn't seen it take affect in the show, so it had to be put bluntly this time. I will consider doing so in the future based upon performance.

Again this isn't a tantrum and is NOT an attack on anyone. If you see it as such, well I can't help you there. Just try to sift through the harshness for the key points. I expected it to incite responses like this. Im a harsh critic. I felt last weeks Overdrive feedback was more positive, I don't know if others feel the same but I'm driving my points home this week. Hence the harsh tone.

Why the negative tone? Sometimes you get a bad review people.

[C.J. Gates]

I'll echo what others have said - you made a lot of valid points. Some of which are things I've been thinking of and might have mentioned in the past. The thing is, the way they were presented, to me, read more like someone writing a frustrated rant. I won't go point by point but there was at least one thing that popped out to me.

You can still have fun while losing. Honestly, it's not all about winning, anyways, it's about having fun and if you are unable to have fun in all capacities, then maybe something needs changed. And, trust me, this is coming from someone who had a hell of a time last year getting more then one win in a row. I had my moments, but I also had a lot of down moments. To me, it's about telling a story and being involved with good storylines, though I guess it's all pointless since you find them to be pedantic and predictable.

Also, it's not about length of an RP. Quality beats Quantity. You might have written more (by the program I use, your RP was about 4083 words), but Zing's might have been better - I don't know, I don't have time right now to read all of the RPs.

I probably didn't need to say anything, but some of what you wrote rubbed me the wrong way. I know you didn't mean offense, but it sounded like you were meaning offense and wanted to call people out.

[T-Marv]

Bad review isn't a problem...

Being a dick about it is.

[Shadow]

As said above, I'm a harsh critic. Comes from teaching.

[T-Marv]

Apr 22, 2013 23:57:26 GMT -4 Shadow said:

As said above, I'm a harsh critic. Comes from teaching.

This isn't being harsh. It's being purposefully disruptive. There's no room in APW for that.

[Shadow]

Whatever man. Like I said can't help you if you see it as such. But lets bring it back to the topic of Overdrive feedback rather than a focus on my post.