Super Mario Bros Mafia (Day 5)

[Nathaniel Havok]

I highly doubt that you have NO IDEA as to what a mafia QT is, Kash. Either this is a ridiculously horrid effort at playing dumb, or you really need to pay more attention.

Mafia communicates with one another via a Quick Topic. However, I think you already know that. How could you not? You've had to have seen it, or heard about it before, and you certainly should have seen it in previous games fallout threads.

I'm not sure if you're just REALLY not aware of it, or if you're just really bad at lying/playing dumb. Lol

F.o.S: JKash

[KJE]

I believe Talon was protecting/ roleblocking before... IIRC, so I believe he is town as well, but I am not sure about that 100%.


As for last night.... Jules should be able to help us out regarding Kash once he gets on.

[Jules]

Kash is town.

One thing that's stuck out in my results, I'm going to mention it in case it becomes relevant and I'm not around.

Night 1 checked myself, told I was town (means I'm sane).
Night 2 checked T-Marv, told he was town (confirmed when he died).
Night 3 checked Havok, told he was innocent.
Night 4 checked Kash, told he was town.

Maybe it's nothing and I'm simply over thinking it. I'm not sure why the word was different, since town/innocent are often interchanged in mafia games. But being told 3 of 4 I checked are town, the other being innocent, I don't know, seems weird.

Not saying it actually means anything, could just be the mod used a different word. But it wouldn't be right not to mention it....just in case.

[Johnny Rebel]

May 8, 2013 22:49:43 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

KJE is town. So that means we can clear L1 and KJE at the same time (YAY!).

With that being said, this is what we're looking at (and correct me if I'm missing someone)...

Confirmed town
L1
KJE
Jules
Havok

NOT Confirmed
Pepsi
Mannie
AC Smith
Jason Kash
Talon
Gates
Rebel

I have my eyes on a few people right now, and I'll explain why. Then, I'll leave the floor open for them to respond.

Johnny Rebel
It was said that he was going to be "prodded" a few night phases ago. Then, the only thing we got from him the next day, was an immediate vote on Knuckles, with no explanation or other text whatsoever. Now, I understand that Rebel is a busy man, and hasn't even played the Wrestling Draft game, even thought it's his turn (hint hint). But I'd like to know why it was just a simple placed vote, and nothing to go along with it.

Jason Kash
It seems as if all Jason has done, is make OBVIOUS observations, as well as continue to say "I have my eye on a few people", without so much as an inkling as to who, or why. Now, I know he's fairly new to the game. But taking that into account, I can't help but think that IF (Yes, IF) he's scum... His scum buddies have told him to stay under the radar, and walked him through how to stay alive. Just an opinion.

Young Mannie
I haven't even seen this guy in the game! Lol. I mean, I've seen him post (4 posts in total the entire game), but no votes (which makes me think he's just busy), no opinions, nothing. I get the feeling that if the guy were scum, he would have jumped on a few town votes. Instead, no votes at all the entire game, with only 4 posts. He just barley staying above water, but I just think he might be busy like Rebel. But I have to throw this out there, because it'd be unfair to say that about Rebel, and NOT point out Mannie.

Just my opinions as of right now. A few ideas to see what we can find. Nothing solid.

I thought it was obvious when Knuckles flipped bomb/third-party why I voted for him.

I've struck out the past several night phases, I'll be honest. I've been useless as my time is limited and I'm following the game as I'm able at work and on my phone.

[A.C. Smith]

Haven't been posting often because I have absolutely nothing to add; my role is just not conducive to gathering information at all. That said, a few things jump out.

- Didn't T-Marv say he was silenced at some point? If that's the case, maybe Mannie has been silenced, which would explain why we haven't seen much of him in this game.
- Kash is either EXTREMELY inexperienced or someone is instructing him to play REALLY dumb. Looking forward to hearing his response to Havok's FOS.

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 9, 2013 6:41:17 GMT -4 Jules said:

Kash is town.

One thing that's stuck out in my results, I'm going to mention it in case it becomes relevant and I'm not around.

Night 1 checked myself, told I was town (means I'm sane).
Night 2 checked T-Marv, told he was town (confirmed when he died).
Night 3 checked Havok, told he was innocent.
Night 4 checked Kash, told he was town.

Maybe it's nothing and I'm simply over thinking it. I'm not sure why the word was different, since town/innocent are often interchanged in mafia games. But being told 3 of 4 I checked are town, the other being innocent, I don't know, seems weird.

Not saying it actually means anything, could just be the mod used a different word. But it wouldn't be right not to mention it....just in case.

That's funny you say that. Here's what I've got.

Night one - Myself - Innocent
Night two - KJE - Inconclusive
Night three - Jules - Innocent
Night four - KJE - Innocent

Could this mean I'm naive!?!? Jules??? Help! Lol

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 9, 2013 5:44:43 GMT -4 KJE said:

I believe Talon was protecting/ roleblocking before... IIRC, so I believe he is town as well, but I am not sure about that 100%.


As for last night.... Jules should be able to help us out regarding Kash once he gets on.

Ebwop

Which brings me to this... If I am indeed naive, and possibly wrong about the results I got on KJE...

How'd you know who Jules targeted, and why? Seems like you knew he was targeting Kash. Or am I just being paranoid?

[Jason Cashe]

I know about the QT after you've been lynched. Or that chat room after lynches. Outside of that I have never been on a QT during a game period. I am inexperienced, I feel like each game I play I'm losing my virginity, I only have so many holes people!

With that said, Jules proved my status so THANK YOU! I have no reason to lie and if I was scum I'd play a bit more suspicious on the matter and have not done that yet. HOWEVER seeing that neither Havok OR Jules have cleared L1 and KJE or Havok got confused results on KJE I am still going that direction for looking for scum. So...my question is who "Cleared" L1 and KJE other than Havok who clearly is confused on KJE's clearance.

FOS: Level One

[KJE]

I DID know he targeted Kash. I already flat out hinted a while back what my role was, if you missed it I suggest you go back and read again. It's not rocket science. I believe I said it on day two, so there you have it.

[KJE]

EBWOP: And Cash... I Cleared L-1. No one cleared me....


However with me clearing L-1 and now flat out saying that Jules should know about Kash before he came out with that information... I think it's rather obvious I am the role I claimed I have.

[Jason Cashe]

I say we hold folks down and tickle them with feathers until we find answers...

[Level-Two]

HOWEVER seeing that neither Havok OR Jules have cleared L1 and KJE or Havok got confused results on KJE I am still going that direction for looking for scum. So...my question is who "Cleared" L1 and KJE other than Havok who clearly is confused on KJE's clearance.

Or we could start looking at those who's statuses are unknown and have kept themselves out of the limelight all game?

Don't worry, the big boys and girls in green will sort it out, okay?

;D

[Jason Cashe]

These last few posts have seemed more like ploys to move in another direction to me. Like heat is on their doorstep and they are fighting to get the spotlight elsewhere.

"Start looking at those who's statuses are unknown"

Why when the write up clearly states that Suspicion has been on the Scum before and they want it off. Only a few people have really been looked at, questioned. I'm still looking at L1 here.

[KJE]

I could flat out say what L1s role is and you would know what I do about him... however you don't want to listen to logic. Fine. That's cool.


Honestly... when it comes to town... We might be able to trust talon also. He claimed his role while going back and forth with me. And after he and i settled stuff its obvious he now trusts me because I was good to find out information last night. Hes not a guarantee, but I do believe more than 50% that he is town.

[Jason Cashe]

Now don't get me wrong. (How do I un FOS someone?)

Pepsi also is on my list of suspects. He was also being looked at, Reaver tried to put it on him. Being third party, maybe he knew of something towards Pepsi and Pepsi just put up a better argument. In truth THAT would fit more right now than Level One. Who I'm still suspect of but maybe a bit more so for Pepsi here. So......

FOS: Pepsi

Who clears him and whats his argument here?

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 9, 2013 15:30:24 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

Now don't get me wrong. (How do I un FOS someone?)

Pepsi also is on my list of suspects. He was also being looked at, Reaver tried to put it on him. Being third party, maybe he knew of something towards Pepsi and Pepsi just put up a better argument. In truth THAT would fit more right now than Level One. Who I'm still suspect of but maybe a bit more so for Pepsi here. So......

FOS: Pepsi

Who clears him and whats his argument here?

Dude, you're either playing inexperienced BY FAR, or you're playing dumb, so your scum friends can use your inexperience as a ploy to keep us off their backs. Either way, town or scum, I'm sort of fine with this vote...

Vote: Jason Kash

It's either going to cripple us as a distraction (as we continue to look at you and not the real scum), or it's going to damn us as a genius plot by the mafia (keeping us unsure because of your lack of experience, thus keeping us off of them). So again, I'm sorry Kash, but either way the ball bounces, I'm fine with my vote. I hope other townees understand what I'm saying here.

[KJE]

I understand what you're saying Havok, but we need all the town folk we have right now. We know for a fact that the following are town.

Myself- Cleared by you.
L1- Cleared by me.
Jules- cleared through seeing his results as people die.
Havok- cleared by jules
Kash- cleared by Jules.


Now, that is five of us. We need to work together and stop working against one another. Kash... You need to realize I was cleared. What I did last night was shown also and proof came when Jules said his result on YOU, who I had said he would have info on. There is a reason I knew he was able to tell us about you. It's because I followed him last night. Now this whole back and forth needs to stop.


We know the five of us are good.. now we need to work through that.

I believe Rebel is trying to say he was silenced? Unless I took things wrong.

If that is true... than rebel is town as well. Granted I don't know if its true or if he is trying to play us.


Gates- Has been mostly silent.
Mannie- Silent.
AC Smith- Playing a quieter game than usual.
Pepsi- rather silent
Talon - claiming jailkeeper if I read correctly.


With what I just said... we know who we need to look into. At this point I wouldn't waste our time with Talon just yet... because we need to look at the others who said damn near nothing at all. We know what we have to do in order to win this... now lets make it happen.

[Jason Cashe]

So Havok, are you saying Jules cleared you but him clearly me is wrong? Haha. Okay...Like I said I no longer have FOS on Level One.

I'm looking at the write up alone here right now. To me it's saying someone who was suspected wants to keep suspicion off going forward. Everyone who was suspected at one time or another have been cleared OTHER than Pepsi correct? Havok I might be inexperienced but you need to reread some stuff because the same person who cleared you, cleared me. Kind of iffy if you say he's wrong about me but right about you isn't it?

[KJE]

He is saying he knows you are town Kash, but with you continuously going after cleared people, he wants to vote you off just so you are not messing with peoples heads. We are trying to find the scum, but with you attacking those that were cleared, you are keeping the scum quiet because you're looking like scum yourself, ya know?

[Jason Cashe]

Yeah I get that but some clears could just be said and not really clears right? Scum can clear someone or say they have if they know the person is also scum right? Lying is a big part of being scum. So the write up made me look back at all who have been suspected and I was thinking out loud. Again, I'm inexperienced trying to run with the big dogs. I'm town period. Regardless. Town voting Town is a scum move. I moved from going after "Cleared" names and went at Pepsi who you said yourself is being silent.

Going off those who aren't "Cleared" and were suspected of being scum, I'm just gonna vote.

Vote: Pepsi

[KJE]

Ya know, that is a vote I am comfortable with at the moment.

Vote: Pepsi

if anything he might start talking.

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 9, 2013 17:14:11 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

So Havok, are you saying Jules cleared you but him clearly me is wrong? Haha. Okay...Like I said I no longer have FOS on Level One.

I'm looking at the write up alone here right now. To me it's saying someone who was suspected wants to keep suspicion off going forward. Everyone who was suspected at one time or another have been cleared OTHER than Pepsi correct? Havok I might be inexperienced but you need to reread some stuff because the same person who cleared you, cleared me. Kind of iffy if you say he's wrong about me but right about you isn't it?

Dude, that's not at all what I said. What I said is... And you're starting to prove my point...

Your inexperience is really starting to cause me (as well as others) fits. You come off as scum, due to your inexperience. It's either going to cripple us, or it's going to help the real scum. I hate to say this, Kash, because I love you like a brother... But do us a favor, and stop seeking out OBVIOUSNESS. Your statements are things that have already been said and debunked before, and it seems like you're trying to distract the town.

Yes, Jules cleared you. But I have a awful suspicion that he or I are naive. If you don't know what a naive cop is, it's a cop that investigates at night, but EVERYONE, even scum, comes back innocent. In your defense, I think I'm the naive cop, not Jules.

[Level-Two]

Do you guys think it's a good idea to lynch in the dark here?

There's 3 confirmed scum, right?

Pepsi
Mannie
AC Smith
Talon
Gates
Rebel

Which gives us a 50% percent chance of hitting a red if we lynch today, correct? With those odds it's hard to pass up on but I'm not sure who exactly I'd go for here, hmm? Isn't it hard to get a read on anyone on this list? If I had to say, I'd say Talon is most town (now that things have developed) and Pepsi as least - ONLY because of how he played his first day against me... which is bias?

[Jason Cashe]

I've been saying I was inexperienced. Hands On and activity is the process. I accept that. I get what your saying though. I need to get friendly with the rules of all roles cause that part is still foreign. I'm learning though and active, that counts right? Cool points at least?

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 9, 2013 17:37:43 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

I've been saying I was inexperienced. Hands On and activity is the process. I accept that. I get what your saying though. I need to get friendly with the rules of all roles cause that part is still foreign. I'm learning though and active, that counts right? Cool points at least?

I'm going to do this...

Unvote

Because you're right... Jules cleared you. Again, I still have a suspicion that he or I are naive.

And because of this...

May 9, 2013 17:35:30 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Do you guys think it's a good idea to lynch in the dark here?

There's 3 confirmed scum, right?

Pepsi
Mannie
AC Smith
Talon
Gates
Rebel

Which gives us a 50% percent chance of hitting a red if we lynch today, correct? With those odds it's hard to pass up on but I'm not sure who exactly I'd go for here, hmm? Isn't it hard to get a read on anyone on this list? If I had to say, I'd say Talon is most town (now that things have developed) and Pepsi as least - ONLY because of how he played his first day against me... which is bias?

This...

May 9, 2013 17:22:52 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

Yeah I get that but some clears could just be said and not really clears right? Scum can clear someone or say they have if they know the person is also scum right? Lying is a big part of being scum. So the write up made me look back at all who have been suspected and I was thinking out loud. Again, I'm inexperienced trying to run with the big dogs. I'm town period. Regardless. Town voting Town is a scum move. I moved from going after "Cleared" names and went at Pepsi who you said yourself is being silent.

Going off those who aren't "Cleared" and were suspected of being scum, I'm just gonna vote.

Vote: Pepsi

And this...

May 9, 2013 17:30:35 GMT -4 KJE said:

Ya know, that is a vote I am comfortable with at the moment.

Vote: Pepsi

if anything he might start talking.

...Vote: Pepsi

We have a 50% chance of catching scum, if L1's calculations are correct. So, why not at least TRY?

[Nathaniel Havok]

EBWOP

That's half the votes needed for a lynch. So Pepsi, we really need your input soon.

[Pepsi]

Ok,

I have been fairly inactive which is definitely not my style. Honestly I started a new job last week and it's been beating me up a bit.

I have no way to prove that I am town, you have no way to prove I'm scum. I know I am town, and that's the best defence I can offer. My role is valuable, but nor informative in any way so make of that what you will.

I think lynching me is a weak move, and one with no basis. Mannie or Rebel are by far the better lynch options if you are trying to base this on inactivity.

[A.C. Smith]

May 9, 2013 18:24:55 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

I have no way to prove that I am town, you have no way to prove I'm scum. I know I am town, and that's the best defence I can offer. My role is valuable, but nor informative in any way so make of that what you will.

Assuming Pepsi is telling the truth, let's try and figure out what role, if any, he could possibly be hinting at.

I'm at work with several things I need to hammer out fairly soon, but I'm going to comb over the game and see what I can dig up.

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 9, 2013 18:24:55 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

Ok,

I have been fairly inactive which is definitely not my style. Honestly I started a new job last week and it's been beating me up a bit.

VERY possible. However, pretty convenient. Just saying.

May 9, 2013 18:24:55 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

I have no way to prove that I am town, you have no way to prove I'm scum. I know I am town, and that's the best defence I can offer. My role is valuable, but nor informative in any way so make of that what you will.

Firstly...

I have no way to prove that I am town, you have no way to prove I'm scum.

This REALLY sounds like a challenge to the town. Like you're saying "come at me, dare you" or something like that.

Secondly...

My role is valuable, but nor informative in any way so make of that what you will.

You're uninformative, and have done nothing for the town the entire game... However, you insist that your role is valuable? How so? This makes NO sense whatsoever. If you can't give us information, and you can't do anything at night... How in the world are you valuable to the town?

May 9, 2013 18:24:55 GMT -4 Pepsi said:

I think lynching me is a weak move, and one with no basis. Mannie or Rebel are by far the better lynch options if you are trying to base this on inactivity.

I'm now not basing ANYTHING off of inactivity. I'm now basing off of what I've seen. And your statements, are the closest thing to scummy that I've seen this day phase. My vote sticks because of these statements.

[KJE]

The only thing I can think of would be a protector role or something. I don't really know at this point. It's either Pepsi or Mannie for me. And honestly Mannie is probably at the point of getting Mod killed soon..