Super Mario Bros Mafia (Day 5)

[Jason Cashe]

Vote: Gooch

With everything Havok said about him going on offense to defend himself but almost stumbling. He's either dipped too far into the moonshine or he's guilty. If it's the moonshine and he didn't even offer to share with those who drink (Me not included of course) then he's scum for that as well.

[Jules]

EBWOP

Sorry for double post.

unvote

Now before everyone goes mental, I'm unvoting because I need some questions answered before this lynch goes to term. When, and if, I get answers to those questions, and I am still satisfied Gooch is scum I will not hesitate to vote again.

Let me just clarify, I am not wavering in my belief Gooch is scum, but I just need to learn a few things from 1-2 people before we move on. Hence my temporary unvote.

[Jules]

Crap, I hope I wasn't too late with that.

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 3, 2013 13:04:19 GMT -4 Jules said:

May 3, 2013 12:39:00 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Now, I'm not sure why. But my night action came back inconclusive. I think I might have been who everyone was going after, but I'm not sure. I knew there'd be some backlash to the arguments I got into last day phase. But somehow, without being RBed or anything like that, I got an inconclusive read. Anybody have any logical explanation for this?

Is that the verdict you got--- inconclusive? Who did you target?

The night before the verdict you got back was--- innocent, right? You checked yourself?

I got an innocent read on myself might one. Last night, I attempted to target KJE. I figured that clearing her completely, would also clear L1, killing 2 birds with 1 stone. However, my read was inconclusive, so I'm stuck at square one for at least another day.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Ebwop

Night one*

Posting from my iPhone. Damn autocorrect. Lol

[C.J. Gates]

May 3, 2013 12:39:00 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Now, I'm not sure why. But my night action came back inconclusive. I think I might have been who everyone was going after, but I'm not sure. I knew there'd be some backlash to the arguments I got into last day phase. But somehow, without being RBed or anything like that, I got an inconclusive read. Anybody have any logical explanation for this?

Could it be because of who you targeted, not necessarily that everyone was targeting them? I'd say try it again, and if you get the same read, it might be worth looking at that person as a potential for Godfather (don't know if they'd send out an inconclusive when investigated or not, but it could be a possibility.

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 3, 2013 13:07:54 GMT -4 Jules said:

EBWOP

Sorry for double post.

unvote

Now before everyone goes mental, I'm unvoting because I need some questions answered before this lynch goes to term. When, and if, I get answers to those questions, and I am still satisfied Gooch is scum I will not hesitate to vote again.

Let me just clarify, I am not wavering in my belief Gooch is scum, but I just need to learn a few things from 1-2 people before we move on. Hence my temporary unvote.

Sorry, Jules... But this really sounds like an "Oh crap, my partner is getting lynched" unvote. Like you joined early to sort of clear yourself, but backed out once the votes started to pile on. Not saying that's the case, but it does kind of make me curious.

[Level-Two]

Sorry, Jules... But this really sounds like an "Oh crap, my partner is getting lynched" unvote. Like you joined early to sort of clear yourself, but backed out once the votes started to pile on. Not saying that's the case, but it does kind of make me curious.

This is right up here with Talon's crazy conspiracy theory from yesterday, ain't it?

There would be no incentive for anyone to jump on an early vote on a scum buddy if they're trying to look town... only to THEN pull out a vote or two away from a lynch, is there? This isn't Jule's first mafia game is it? Isn't that the very definition of counter productive?

I see someone just wanting some more info; this IS a fairly quick lynch, don't you think? All in all your theory is far out and doesn't make any sense bruh'... so lay off the pipe please?

[Nathaniel Havok]

I guess this game is just all kinds of weird right now. At this point, regardless of who's been cleared, my gut just isn't trusting anyone. Sorry, Jules. I'll lay off, as it does seem a little far-fetched. I'm just not ruling out anything, and this game has been really weird from the start. Sorry, bud.

[Michael Jennings]

May 3, 2013 9:58:25 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

KJE claimed to be blocked. You were blocked.

KJE came out with info before she was called out. You didn't untill you were called out. The writeup spells it out clearly. I roleblocked you. I stopped Bomb-Omb. This is a no brainer.

Vote: Gooch

TMarv is right, this is a no brainer. He's saying Gooch is Bomb-Omb and knows it for a fact. My vote will not be changing given this information.

May 3, 2013 13:37:33 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

May 3, 2013 13:07:54 GMT -4 Jules said:

EBWOP

Sorry for double post.

unvote

Now before everyone goes mental, I'm unvoting because I need some questions answered before this lynch goes to term. When, and if, I get answers to those questions, and I am still satisfied Gooch is scum I will not hesitate to vote again.

Let me just clarify, I am not wavering in my belief Gooch is scum, but I just need to learn a few things from 1-2 people before we move on. Hence my temporary unvote.

Sorry, Jules... But this really sounds like an "Oh crap, my partner is getting lynched" unvote. Like you joined early to sort of clear yourself, but backed out once the votes started to pile on. Not saying that's the case, but it does kind of make me curious.

Agreed. The post by Jules is suspect just for that. IF Bomb-Omb turns out to be cult, I think this is a good place to look.

[Talon]

I've only gotten "inconclusive" results as a cop on 3rd party players whether it was cult or Serial Killer, but I think you should try again and see if it comes up the same, or if it was indeed a part of the "too many people targeting them" theory. I wouldnt think you could over target a player, but to each mod there own.

I'm still not comfortable with L1/KJE, outing that you were roleblocked is still a decent play to hope that the roleblocker doesnt out you first if your kill was blocked.

...but, right now Gooch is the better option.


Vote: Gooch

My computer crashed and had to be shipped off, so I'll only be playing from my phone for a little while.

[Jules]

James and Havok, you're right at the top of my list as potential scum. Not because you've pointed a finger at me, but I'm always weary of anyone who wants to deny the town more information. Havok especially strikes me as someone who didn't like someone asking them questions. That is some pretty weak reasoning you've tried to use against me.

Still, it's a shame people couldn't hold off on the trigger until I got the info I'm seeking. I did want to ask Knuckles about the result of his investigation on night 1, and possibly last night. But it looks like this lynch has been rushed through, and given that Knuckles has been on and posted elsewhere on the boards I suspect he has been silenced.

I'm working on a theory here but unlike some of you 'aggressive' players I'm not going to blow my load prematurely. Unfortunately, I may not get a chance to. Doctor help tonight would be useful, or if there is watcher you wouldn't go wrong targeting me in case somebody tries to silence/kill me.

Let's just say I'm not convinced by Havok's cop claim. I wasn't yesterday when he first claimed (but he sidestepped my question similar to the one I asked today), and I'm not now that he has confirmed the type of responses he got on his investigation. Make of that what you will, but rest assured I am town, and everything I am doing is work for the town.

Anyway, is that a lynch?

[Matt Stone]

Gooch can't be Wario as TMarv said he RB'ed him back to back (I doubt it, cause I was RB'ed night 1 and he loooooves to do that on me)

unvote

People was to wait on the lynch to get more info out, so Im not voting Gooch at this time.

[Jules]

EBWOP

Just to clarify, I'm going to wait on Knuckles and see if disproves my theory that he's been silenced. I'm still happy to vote Gooch, but I'd like this extra bit of info if possible. I'll give it 5-6 hours, then I'll reinstate my vote.

[C.J. Gates]

I think we were sitting at 8 votes before Stone unvoted so we're probably back down to 7.

[Buckson Gooch]

I believe that's a lynch. I could be wrong.

You'll see I'm town.

Townies, remember who charged this and the response to what I said.

I love you all anyways.

[Matt Stone]

I unvoted on TMarv, I was never on Gooch

For the record, I think he's a Town JOAT, but I have no "info" to support that, just a plethora of Gooch playing knowledge.

Now I hope he spins purple so I look like a moron.

[C.J. Gates]

May 3, 2013 15:45:52 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I unvoted on TMarv, I was never on Gooch

For the record, I think he's a Town JOAT, but I have no "info" to support that, just a plethora of Gooch playing knowledge.

Now I hope he spins purple so I look like a moron.

My bad, you're right.

We're still only at 8, as far as I can tell, unless I missed one, so there's still time for Knuckles to answer or confirm that he's been silenced (through not answering).

[Nathaniel Havok]

May 3, 2013 15:28:35 GMT -4 Jules said:

James and Havok, you're right at the top of my list as potential scum. Not because you've pointed a finger at me, but I'm always weary of anyone who wants to deny the town more information. Havok especially strikes me as someone who didn't like someone asking them questions. That is some pretty weak reasoning you've tried to use against me.

Still, it's a shame people couldn't hold off on the trigger until I got the info I'm seeking. I did want to ask Knuckles about the result of his investigation on night 1, and possibly last night. But it looks like this lynch has been rushed through, and given that Knuckles has been on and posted elsewhere on the boards I suspect he has been silenced.

I'm working on a theory here but unlike some of you 'aggressive' players I'm not going to blow my load prematurely. Unfortunately, I may not get a chance to. Doctor help tonight would be useful, or if there is watcher you wouldn't go wrong targeting me in case somebody tries to silence/kill me.

Let's just say I'm not convinced by Havok's cop claim. I wasn't yesterday when he first claimed (but he sidestepped my question similar to the one I asked today), and I'm not now that he has confirmed the type of responses he got on his investigation. Make of that what you will, but rest assured I am town, and everything I am doing is work for the town.

Anyway, is that a lynch?

I have to be 100% honest, and I'm going to say what's on my mind here, regardless of what anyone thinks...

OF COURSE you would think that the two men who agreed that it looked scummy, are scum. Of course, why wouldn't you? Defensive about making an observation much? Even after I said "It is a little far-fetched", yet you come back as defensive as Gooch is being? Really, dude? Chill out.

Any how did I EVER avoid responding to you? I answered everything you asked, dude. Show me, and I'll gladly answer. Nothing to hide on my end.

[Nathaniel Havok]

EBWOP

I'm beginning to think that you're flipping out, Jules... Based on this...

May 3, 2013 14:28:10 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Agreed. The post by Jules is suspect just for that. IF Bomb-Omb turns out to be cult, I think this is a good place to look.

I get the feeling that you know Gooch will flip, and based on this comment, you're starting to freak out a bit. If this isn't the case, prove me wrong, and chill out a bit, bro.

[KJE]

May 3, 2013 15:45:52 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I unvoted on TMarv, I was never on Gooch

For the record, I think he's a Town JOAT, but I have no "info" to support that, just a plethora of Gooch playing knowledge.

Now I hope he spins purple so I look like a moron.

I highly doubt there are TWO town JOATs if you catch my drift.

[KJE]

May 3, 2013 14:41:12 GMT -4 Talon said:

I've only gotten "inconclusive" results as a cop on 3rd party players whether it was cult or Serial Killer, but I think you should try again and see if it comes up the same, or if it was indeed a part of the "too many people targeting them" theory. I wouldnt think you could over target a player, but to each mod there own.

I'm still not comfortable with L1/KJE, outing that you were roleblocked is still a decent play to hope that the roleblocker doesnt out you first if your kill was blocked.

...but, right now Gooch is the better option.


Vote: Gooch

My computer crashed and had to be shipped off, so I'll only be playing from my phone for a little while.

Funny that you don't trust L1 and myself... what's even funnier is I was looking into you of all people last night when I was blocked... go figure. Seems like the ball goes both ways in that court.

[Jules]

Havok, sarcasm isn't an argument. And I am hardly flipping out. Stop exaggerating.

Anyway, we can sort all of this out during night 3, so what have you got to worry about Havok? If you're town, you'll turn up TOWN. Watcher, it would be most helpful if you target me. It may deter scum, or, if you're really lucky, you'll catch one in the act.

[Michael Jennings]

May 2, 2013 22:53:56 GMT -4 Speede said:

DAY THREE!

Living Players
1. JamesV (Michael Jennings)
2. Pepsi
3. Mannie (The Main Attraction)
4. Stone
5. Level One
6. Kaylyn James Evans
7. Buckson Gooch
8. AC Smith
9. Jason Kash
10. Crown Jules
11. Papapancho
12. Talon Wilkinson
13. CJ Gates
14. Havok
15. Knuckles (Reaver)
16. Rebel
17. T-Marv

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day Three starts NOW!
Deadline is Sunday, May 5, at 11:00pm eastern.

Jules, it's 9 for a lynch. I don't think we've reached that yet. Try again with your "deny the town information" shtick because we're still in the day phase and I believe, by my count, he's either at L-2 or L-1. Gooch is not lynched yet. The fact that Jules is already talking about people blowing their loads on here yet did the same thing himself in regards to the lynch happening is telling. Also the fact you voted and then unvoted as quickly as you did is something that needs to be taken into account as well.

[papapancho]

Ready to vote Gooch but holding back for info

[Jules]

May 3, 2013 16:54:59 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

May 2, 2013 22:53:56 GMT -4 Speede said:

DAY THREE!

Living Players
1. JamesV (Michael Jennings)
2. Pepsi
3. Mannie (The Main Attraction)
4. Stone
5. Level One
6. Kaylyn James Evans
7. Buckson Gooch
8. AC Smith
9. Jason Kash
10. Crown Jules
11. Papapancho
12. Talon Wilkinson
13. CJ Gates
14. Havok
15. Knuckles (Reaver)
16. Rebel
17. T-Marv

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day Three starts NOW!
Deadline is Sunday, May 5, at 11:00pm eastern.

Jules, it's 9 for a lynch. I don't think we've reached that yet. Try again with your "deny the town information" shtick because we're still in the day phase and I believe, by my count, he's either at L-2 or L-1. Gooch is not lynched yet. The fact that Jules is already talking about people blowing their loads on here yet did the same thing himself in regards to the lynch happening is telling. Also the fact you voted and then unvoted as quickly as you did is something that needs to be taken into account as well.

James, I've learnt it's pointless arguing with you on these matters of opinion--- I can keep re-stating over and over I am town, and you will keep saying I'm not. It's pointless. The truth will come out sooner or later, and you'll be proven wrong. I've got nothing to hide, and I would invite every investigative role to check me out if I didn't know it would be a total waste of the town's resources. But since we seem to have three claimed cops, one of them can check me and this distraction can be put to bed.

All you're doing is slinging mud. I would say it's a scumtell, but this is just how you operate. You're like a dog with a bone---- or at least, in this case, one who thinks he's got a bone.

Read my post, I said I'd give Knuckles some time. If he's not checked in within a few hours, which I suspect he won't, I'll re-instate my vote.

There was nothing scummy about me unvoting when I saw the lynch being rushed through and something came to light that I wanted an answer to, i.e. Havok's post about his 'inconclusive' read (following his 'innocent' read the day before), and Knuckles' results. I got part of that, I see nothing wrong with allowing some time to see if I may get the whole answer.

Fact is, when I voted Havok hadn't posted (and my vote was based on de-bunking a lot of Gooch's defence, rather than simply jumping on the wagon like you did James). Havok hadn't said something that added to my earlier suspicion of him. When he spoke, I felt there was a legitimate reason to ask a question and get that question answered.

Anyway, there is no stalling here, contrary to whatever you claim. Like Level-One said, it's not like nobody has ever unvoted in a game before. My vote will come as soon as I am satisfied about the probable truth of my theory about Knuckles.

Btw, nice attempt at manipulation of the facts. The vote was 7 when I unvoted, it currently stands at 8, that's L-1. If you're alluding to my reference to a lynch earlier, that was question, an appeal for an official vote count.

[Jason Cashe]

Try again with your "deny the town information" shtick because we're still in the day phase and I believe, by my count, he's either at L-2 or L-1.

There is an L2?

All jokes aside though, I think I believe Gooch. So..

Unvote

After reading through a few pages now and really reading things but still not knowing any of the characters or their traits. I've come to suspect a few people. I won't point any fingers right now though. I take this game as being a Detective Game more or less, ignoring or not understanding all the roles given other than what I've had myself playing. I am taking it as seeing what people say, how they defend claims and accusations. Who points fingers more than anyone, that type of thing. So I'm sitting right now, watching.

[Michael Jennings]

May 3, 2013 17:43:11 GMT -4 Jules said:

May 3, 2013 16:54:59 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Jules, it's 9 for a lynch. I don't think we've reached that yet. Try again with your "deny the town information" shtick because we're still in the day phase and I believe, by my count, he's either at L-2 or L-1. Gooch is not lynched yet. The fact that Jules is already talking about people blowing their loads on here yet did the same thing himself in regards to the lynch happening is telling. Also the fact you voted and then unvoted as quickly as you did is something that needs to be taken into account as well.

James, I've learnt it's pointless arguing with you on these matters of opinion--- I can keep re-stating over and over I am town, and you will keep saying I'm not. It's pointless. The truth will come out sooner or later, and you'll be proven wrong. I've got nothing to hide, and I would invite every investigative role to check me out if I didn't know it would be a total waste of the town's resources. But since we seem to have three claimed cops, one of them can check me and this distraction can be put to bed.

All you're doing is slinging mud. I would say it's a scumtell, but this is just how you operate. You're like a dog with a bone---- or at least, in this case, one who thinks he's got a bone.

Read my post, I said I'd give Knuckles some time. If he's not checked in within a few hours, which I suspect he won't, I'll re-instate my vote.

There was nothing scummy about me unvoting when I saw the lynch being rushed through and something came to light that I wanted an answer to, i.e. Havok's post about his 'inconclusive' read (following his 'innocent' read the day before), and Knuckles' results. I got part of that, I see nothing wrong with allowing some time to see if I may get the whole answer.

Fact is, when I voted Havok hadn't posted (and my vote was based on de-bunking a lot of Gooch's defence, rather than simply jumping on the wagon like you did James). Havok hadn't said something that added to my earlier suspicion of him. When he spoke, I felt there was a legitimate reason to ask a question and get that question answered.

Anyway, there is no stalling here, contrary to whatever you claim. Like Level-One said, it's not like nobody has ever unvoted in a game before. My vote will come as soon as I am satisfied about the probable truth of my theory about Knuckles.

Btw, nice attempt at manipulation of the facts. The vote was 7 when I unvoted, it currently stands at 8, that's L-1. If you're alluding to my reference to a lynch earlier, that was question, an appeal for an official vote count.

Jules, you are the most full of crap player in this game. For one thing did I call you scum? No. I said if Bomb-Omb came up as cult you would be a possibility to look into because of that stunt you pulled earlier with the quick vote and unvote. Speaking of slinging mud you did that yourself earlier to myself and Havok which is hypocritical of you since now you're, in my opinion, whining about what I said when I called you out for your manipulating about the vote count.

I also think Knuckles was silenced. Seriously, he's been all over the forum and hasn't posted here which tells me he's a likely candidate for being silenced. It's logical to assume he was silenced given that fact.

There is something scummy about what you did because of the manner in which you did it. You changed your mind WAY too quickly for my liking. Almost appears like you saw what was happening and wanted to stall it. Stalling is a scum tactic that has been used numerous times in the past most notably by me, bottom line. That's how I know it when I see it.

Speaking of manipulating you're doing a fair bit of it yourself especially that last paragraph about the vote count. What I find hilarious about this is that you're all of a sudden wanting info from Knuckles when TMarv's already come out with some about Gooch and is certain he is Bomb-Omb. This is a no brainer vote in my opinion. I wasn't alluding to anything in regards to your question. I also posted it takes 9 to lynch and we aren't at that yet so that basically nullifies your whole point since we're talking about this and keeping the discussion going. Also a vote count isn't going to do much since he's almost lynched anyway and no one else has a vote on them. He's either at L-2 or L-1 so it's a moot point. Discussion is continuing so there's no reason for any of that when we're all still talking.

[Jules]

May 3, 2013 18:06:20 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

Try again with your "deny the town information" shtick because we're still in the day phase and I believe, by my count, he's either at L-2 or L-1.

There is an L2?

All jokes aside though, I think I believe Gooch. So..

Unvote

After reading through a few pages now and really reading things but still not knowing any of the characters or their traits. I've come to suspect a few people. I won't point any fingers right now though. I take this game as being a Detective Game more or less, ignoring or not understanding all the roles given other than what I've had myself playing. I am taking it as seeing what people say, how they defend claims and accusations. Who points fingers more than anyone, that type of thing. So I'm sitting right now, watching.

I'm curious, what has Gooch said since you voted that has convinced you he is now innocent?

Also, who do you suspect and why? I asked this constructively, because let's assume you're town, your insights might prove helpful.

[Pepsi]

First, sorry for my lack of activity. I just started a new job and thing have been kind of crazy. I am usually quick o jump on inactives that's why I am saying this. It's legit.

Second, why are so many delaying the Gooch lynch? I understand trying to wait for more info, but really, Gooch has dug himself into a hole. First he comes off as crazy defensive, then suddenly he changes gears into laughing about how all the evidence is against him. Either he is an absolute disaster of a town player, or he is scum.

Vote: Gooch

Sorry man, you know I love you in a very non homosexual way, but you have dug way too deep on this one.