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Post by Level-Two on Jul 21, 2013 2:10:48 GMT -4
Okay, so JamesV was targeted for a night kill then. Micheal Corleone sounds less like a doctor and more like a role blocker.
If you are a role blocker and your role matches up, you need to let us know who you roleblocked because this person carried out the kill.
Also, Sally Talfourd is whom I was referring to as B and she is town.
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Post by Level-Two on Jul 21, 2013 2:15:23 GMT -4
EWOP:
On second thought, you may want to wait one more night and keep your cards close to your chest if you are the role blocker and role block this person, AGAIN.
Maybe only one person on the scum team can kill (Mafia Hitman) and we can completely neutralize night kills.
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Post by KJE on Jul 21, 2013 2:40:33 GMT -4
I agree that if it was a role block that it should be done again to see if the results are the same. The good thing is we have everyone in tact still, and from the looks of it there are many strong players that are town-sided so far.
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Post by papapancho on Jul 21, 2013 2:55:49 GMT -4
I'm not too pleased by Stone's opening joke post but it's nothing worth pouncing on at the moment.
Judging from AC's comment about night actions this means we could be in line for a lot more modkills
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Post by Matt Stone on Jul 21, 2013 2:59:59 GMT -4
I'm not too pleased by Stone's opening joke post but it's nothing worth pouncing on at the moment. Judging from AC's comment about night actions this means we could be in line for a lot more modkills This is a good point. If you have a 1x use power like Ron, please PM the mod each night even if you are not going to use your action, simply say "no action" so he knows you're paying attention. |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 21, 2013 3:24:50 GMT -4
L1, I ask the same question to you voting me right out the gate. I didn't even say nothing at the time. Someone said it was a joke vote so if so, I laughed regardless.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jul 21, 2013 3:45:35 GMT -4
Going by the player list I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Pancho, Stone, Speede, Rebel, and Jules are my top suspects. Out of the players on the list I think those would be the five most likely to take a shot at me or L-O night one. It's a move I would do if I were them, actually. Make a statement and go after a top level player. My guess is at least 1 of them is scum, probably the night kill mastermind who plotted the whole plan out. Plus all of them are experienced and have played with me numerous times. I think they would be the most likely candidates for masterminding what happened. L-O and I are the clear top town targets so take one out first. Smart thinking. Now it's my turn. I'm looking at the player list and those are my top suspects going by who's playing in the game. Just getting my thoughts out on what happened.
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Post by Speede on Jul 21, 2013 3:53:52 GMT -4
Damn thing isn't letting me post what I want right now, so I'm gonna see if I can get the board to work in the morning, but long story short, I think it was a doctor save and not a Roleblock. I also am suspicious of Rebel, but no more so than usual because him lurking is classic scum play. I also don't get good vibes from SalTal. Her post from the bottom of page two is either her soft-claiming watcher, or a slip-up from scum saying she know who they tried to kill, and Im just unsure right now because I have limited memory of playing with her.
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Post by Level-Two on Jul 21, 2013 3:54:52 GMT -4
L1, I ask the same question to you voting me right out the gate. I didn't even say nothing at the time. Someone said it was a joke vote so if so, I laughed regardless. Read my post in the sign up thread, Kash. |
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Post by Level-Two on Jul 21, 2013 3:55:41 GMT -4
EWOP
Speede, why do you believe that it was a doctor save and not a role block?
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Post by Speede on Jul 21, 2013 3:56:01 GMT -4
EBWOP
Where it says "classic scum play" in my previous post, that should say "classic Rebel play". My mistake trying to rush the post before my iPad auto-refreshed the page and I lost what I had written and I didn't take the time to reread my post until after it submitted.
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Post by Speede on Jul 21, 2013 4:00:45 GMT -4
EWOP Speede, why do you believe that it was a doctor save and not a role block? Okay, so I missed something there. If Sally's town, I dunno who to look at. To answer your question, I don't think it's a Roleblock because of the absence of a key detail of the write up that would indicate it being a Roleblock... I'm trying not to give everything away here... |
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Post by papapancho on Jul 21, 2013 4:06:54 GMT -4
Going by the player list I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Pancho, Stone, Speede, Rebel, and Jules are my top suspects. Out of the players on the list I think those would be the five most likely to take a shot at me or L-O night one. It's a move I would do if I were them, actually. Make a statement and go after a top level player. My guess is at least 1 of them is scum, probably the night kill mastermind who plotted the whole plan out. Plus all of them are experienced and have played with me numerous times. I think they would be the most likely candidates for masterminding what happened. L-O and I are the clear top town targets so take one out first. Smart thinking. Now it's my turn. I'm looking at the player list and those are my top suspects going by who's playing in the game. Just getting my thoughts out on what happened. I completely admit that if I were mafia that is the exact play I would make. You take the most vocal and trusted players out of the game because being mafia you know they arn't on your side. Granted you run the risk that those same players would also be protected night 1 but its the right play to make. But it's not my play this game. I am most definitely on L-1 yours and Sally's side. If your working off that list Speede especially looks guilty after not noticing Sally be cleared .... Out of comfort I'd like to say Matt Stone because he no sold me talking about his joke vote. He either doesn't want to get involved in a war of words with me or really just doesn't wan't to bother with me right now. |
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Post by Level-Two on Jul 21, 2013 4:09:40 GMT -4
The write up needs to do what it's supposed to do though. If you include role block actions in write ups, it gives a role blocker a way to identify who they blocked turning their role into a soft cop in addition to an Rb'er.
Michael Corleone is a gangster. I don't know if there is a doctor type character in the movie but chances are he is a role blocker, not a doctor.
Nonetheless, this and your generally response has been noted.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 21, 2013 4:14:48 GMT -4
@levelone: Ahhhh! Haha sorry man, didn't mean nothing by it. Someone usually has to talk me into playing this game.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 21, 2013 4:28:36 GMT -4
Quick question, Jennings, just to clarify my ignorance: Are you JamesV?
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 21, 2013 4:37:40 GMT -4
Yes ma'am that be the same man.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 21, 2013 4:41:04 GMT -4
Yes ma'am that be the same man. Ah, thanks for that. Carry on. Nothing to see here. |
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Post by Speede on Jul 21, 2013 4:46:04 GMT -4
The write up needs to do what it's supposed to do though. If you include role block actions in write ups, it gives a role blocker a way to identify who they blocked turning their role into a soft cop in addition to an Rb'er. Michael Corleone is a gangster. I don't know if there is a doctor type character in the movie but chances are he is a role blocker, not a doctor. Nonetheless, this and your generally response has been noted. Good point. I wouldn't have thought of it so much as a soft cop as it is actually noting what truly happened. I guess that's why I sucked as a mod, but... Yeah. On the note about him being more likely a roleblocker, I don't know the flavor a whole ton, but its not common to see multiples of the same role. It's possible, but not common. |
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Post by Lord Raab on Jul 21, 2013 4:48:02 GMT -4
This the thing I don't understand about this game that how do people know who role blocked who and who the doctor is just from the characters in the game unless of course people say what they did? Might be the most stupid question ever to ask on Mafia but I'm trying to learn as best as I can to play better and to understand the game better too.
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Post by Speede on Jul 21, 2013 4:52:01 GMT -4
This the thing I don't understand about this game that how do people know who role blocked who and who the doctor is just from the characters in the game unless of course people say what they did? Might be the most stupid question ever to ask on Mafia but I'm trying to learn as best as I can to play better and to understand the game better too. To sum it up, we look at the write up, and see that Michael Corleone protected Kim, or so it appeared. Either he is a doctor and used his role on Kim, or is a roleblocker and used it on someone trying to kill Kim. We don't know who Corleone is, Kim is, or the murderer is, but Corleone knows what he did, and now knows who Kim is, or who a killer is. |
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Post by Speede on Jul 21, 2013 4:53:50 GMT -4
EBWOP: err... Kay. Where it says Kim, it should say Kay. I'm not off to a good start this day phase!
Also much more confusing that we have. Kay in the write up and a Kay playing the game... Why can't I remember this?
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Post by Lord Raab on Jul 21, 2013 5:00:49 GMT -4
That has explained things much better for me. Thanks Speede as I have a learning difficulty which makes me be a slow learner with things. Might have more questions when I can think of any more.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 21, 2013 5:28:17 GMT -4
So, just to flesh things out here, maybe assist in some roles that might be out there for the town, and contribute some help with the flavour (which was missing from Day 1’s discussion) because I am pretty good with the Godfather movies, I thought I’d throw this together. This game doesn’t fit into the general continuity of the film series (not that that’s a complaint at all), given this comment: Kay is not amused, having just reminded Michael of his vow to make the Corleone family completely legitimate. By the time Michael had taken over the Corleone family, Luca and the Tattaglia’s were dead. But I think, given that Michael has taken over, the following characters from the film series won’t be making an appearance: Vito Corleone - The titular Godfather. He would be in charge of the family business, rather than Michael. Sonny Corleone - The eldest son to Vito. He should be in charge by hereditary rights if Vito had died. Given the people we have seen, we can go on to make some soft assumptions about what we can expect to see come up: Confirmed Mafia: Philip Tattaglia - I suspect he is a usurper to Barzini (below) or the Godfather outright. Confirmed Town: Luca Brasi - Brandon Harvy Michael Corleone - Given he is the Godfather of the family, he should have a strong role. I’d be likely to go with roleblocker ahead of doctor, given what we’ve got from the write-up. Kay Corleone, nee Adams - I’d be thinking of giving the women the protective/less ‘mafia-ish’ roles given the position they have in the films. The structure of the game will likely fall around the Corleone's (Michael's mafia family/town) and the Tattaglia's (another flavour mafia family/mafia). The Corleone's, in the film, control the largest mafia family, and have a lot of typical mafia gangsters at their disposal. The Tattaglia's have less. Mind you, the Corleone's have a lot of enemies in the films, so it might be more of a mix-and-match. So, 16 players from the start, 14 more favour characters to see. Who might they be? Suspected Mafia: Emilio Barzini - Boss of one of the NY families, mastermind of the attempts to kill off Vito and take over. Probably the in-game mafia godfather. Virgil Sollozzo - The Turk. The guy who wants to bring the mafia in to the drugs business. The character is evil, cruel, and famous with a knife. Likely attached to some sort of kill role. Captain McCluskey - A dirty cop, bought off by Barzini. If the mafia have any investigative role, it’s this character. Bruno Tattaglia - Son of Philip. If Philip is the godfather of the in-game mafia, then he may be in the game (and a potential usurper to take over, given he is the younger son). Suspected Town: (Potential informative) Tom Hagan - Consigliere to Micahel (advisor), family lawyer prior to Michael taking over. Legal acumen might be a good trigger for an ivestigative role, cop or otherwise. Peter Clemenza - A capo (made man) and one of the “gangsters” in the family, extremely loyal. I would guess an informative role, along with the other soldatos in the films. Rocco Lampone - One of the lesser “gangsters” who works under Clemenza, and therefore the Corleones. Carries out some hits in the film, works his way up in the family. Al Neri - Another soldato/hitman for the Corleones. Dresses as a cop to take out Barzini at the end of the first film, so an investigative role, probably cop, isn’t out of the question here. Willi Cicci - Soldato/hitman for the Corleones. Gets a number of kills in the films, though goes on to sell out the Corleone family. (Potential vanillas) Fredo Corleone - Michael’s older brother, middle son in the family, weak and a pseudo-runt in the family. I’d guess some sort of vanilla role. (Potential protective) Bonasera - The undertaker who begged the Godfather for a ‘favour’ at the start of the first film Given his general practice, may be the doctor. Connie Corleone - Sister to Michael. Given she’s a mother, not involved in the family business (until the horrible, god-awful pt. 3), it would stand that (if in the game) would have a ‘clean’ role. That's only 15 accounted for, but it might be a start for the people without a clue about the flavour. |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 21, 2013 5:46:30 GMT -4
I don't recall the scene written out for the start of Day 2 being a Film scene so I'd guess anything is possible for the roles. I'd be upset to not see Vito personally. Who hasn't tried to voice his famous line?
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Post by SalTal on Jul 21, 2013 5:53:28 GMT -4
I don't recall the scene written out for the start of Day 2 being a Film scene so I'd guess anything is possible for the roles. I'd be upset to not see Vito personally. Who hasn't tried to voice his famous line? That's right - the write-up largely is an amalgamation of two scenes: Luca's death in Godfather pt. 1 and the hit-job on Michael in Godfather pt. 2. |
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Post by papapancho on Jul 21, 2013 6:16:23 GMT -4
You forgot Tessio Sally who was the original traitor before Fredo in Godfather Part 1 as well as Connies husband. But I don't like flavor discusions because it's all conjecture and with a role pool as large as The Godfather series would it be out of the realm of question to have any number of characters or roles.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 21, 2013 6:32:28 GMT -4
You forgot Tessio Sally who was the original traitor before Fredo in Godfather Part 1 as well as Connies husband. But I don't like flavor discusions because it's all conjecture and with a role pool as large as The Godfather series would it be out of the realm of question to have any number of characters or roles. Just thought I saw a reason to put something together, given that a couple of people had expressed a lack of knowledge with the flavour. Sorry for that. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jul 21, 2013 10:39:10 GMT -4
Quick question, Jennings, just to clarify my ignorance: Are you JamesV? Yes I am. |
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Post by Victor Hades on Jul 21, 2013 13:18:00 GMT -4
I'm just glad I didn't get killed the first night being someone who will likely be one of the first to go. Just from the start I'm positive of:
1. Reaver may have pretty much just shot himself in the foot.
2. L1 and Jennings are town. which makes me feel safe as they do for now anyway.
3. I smell scum... let's go huntin'!
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