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Post by Level-Two on Sept 9, 2013 20:45:03 GMT -4
No, I can't and I don't need to. All I can do is use my clout and hope that someone follows through with a night action.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 9, 2013 20:57:52 GMT -4
Alfred Gator to me in the write up seems to have wanted to do more and didn't get to do what they wanted. So to me this means they were Road Blocked correct? Now if anyone else was blocked, it'd be nice to know because Sally claims being blocked. Does that make her the Gator? I doubt she'd claim block and let herself be seen as that role if others take the Gator as being blocked.
Reaver to me is stumbling through his point and it just seems off. JamesV always has a slyness about his posts and I think he's one of the tougher ones to read off of but the same is said about Level One and the other few, select Skilled Experienced Players. I think based on how well Level One played the last game when he stepped in, it'd be next to dumb as shit to not take his word. So someone needs to put an eye on King, that's not me saying I find him suspicious but I'd take L1's advise right now with nothing much on the table thus far. Now back to NFL games..Monday Night Football! Go Texans!
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Post by SalTal on Sept 9, 2013 21:03:15 GMT -4
Just to spell things out for some of the newer players wondering why there's no free-flow of information.
Cops tend to investigate themselves night one for sanity. Outing themselves as same paints a huge target on themselves, so they remain quiet.
Watchers and trackers, as a result of unknowingly watching or tracking cops, will get no helpful or useful information from this, and so they will remain quiet.
Add in what looks to be a number of roleblockers and you've got a quiet day. Rest assured that it will all start to flow in the next day.
As for the kills: Pretty good tactics if you ask me. I'd completely disagree with Reaver's 'inexperienced scum' comment. Whoever said it first was right: Night One protections would likely be on L1, Jennings, or me. An experienced scum would rule those three out and look at the next level of players - your KJE's and your AC's. given hrs just come off from modding a game and is a pretty solid player, it was a good move by scum to pick him to kill.
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Post by Reaver on Sept 9, 2013 21:08:18 GMT -4
Just to spell things out for some of the newer players wondering why there's no free-flow of information. Cops tend to investigate themselves night one for sanity. Outing themselves as same paints a huge target on themselves, so they remain quiet. Watchers and trackers, as a result of unknowingly watching or tracking cops, will get no helpful or useful information from this, and so they will remain quiet. Add in what looks to be a number of roleblockers and you've got a quiet day. Rest assured that it will all start to flow in the next day. As for the kills: Pretty good tactics if you ask me. I'd completely disagree with Reaver's 'inexperienced scum' comment. Whoever said it first was right: Night One protections would likely be on L1, Jennings, or me. An experienced scum would rule those three out and look at the next level of players - your KJE's and your AC's. given hrs just come off from modding a game and is a pretty solid player, it was a good move by scum to pick him to kill. exactly my point yet fury thinks otherwise. that could b cuz he hasnt played much in APW cuz im pretty sure hes an experienced player on efk if im not mistaken. BUT, he need to have an eye as well cuz that mid lvl of skilled players WAS the rite choice if it was somebody else from outside if that makes any sense. the only way we will no for sure is in the next day phase or two. |
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 9, 2013 21:11:31 GMT -4
No, I can't and I don't need to. All I can do is use my clout and hope that someone follows through with a night action. That's only if I live through the night. Maybe it's just me, but now I feel that I have painted a bullseye on my back. :/ |
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Post by KJE on Sept 9, 2013 21:55:09 GMT -4
Hopefully we have trackers, cops, watchers, lie detectors, whatever that can help more each day. Night one doesn't always provide a lot for us... while it looks like we don't have enough information, we are good right now because we have one killing or recruiting (whichever they could do) down and can focus on the mafia alone now more than likely. Scum helped us out, so hell.. I won't complain.
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 9, 2013 23:38:52 GMT -4
Concerning the role block situation, if Kaylyn and Sally are to believed than that would probably make them both town - solely from a statistic standpoint but I'd say it's better than nothing.
If this is the case than I could see a Mafia role blocker targeting Sally Talfourd and a pro Town role blocker targeting Kaylyn Evans on a night one.
Positive thing about all this is, if any of these two are lying - the town role blocker would know or even a third person who was role blocked.
Until that's refuted, Sally is cleared in my books. Statistically speaking, Kaylyn is too. A little more room for error on that hutch though.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 10, 2013 3:21:13 GMT -4
If there were two Road Blockers that blocked people, wouldn't that SHOW in the write up most the time? Alfred Gator got blocked, that's ONE. Maybe I'm suspicious because only one showed up in the write up. I haven't had the experience of two road blockers blocking the same time and not both being in the write up.
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 10, 2013 4:08:50 GMT -4
If there were two Road Blockers that blocked people, wouldn't that SHOW in the write up most the time? Alfred Gator got blocked, that's ONE. Maybe I'm suspicious because only one showed up in the write up. I haven't had the experience of two road blockers blocking the same time and not both being in the write up. Your reading too much into the write up. There is nothing that suggests Alfred Gator was role blocked. He sabotaged a trailer successfully and walked off in the parking lot, than AC Smith's character was shot in the head in said parking lot. It could have and probably was Alfred. Whether it was or it wasn't, scum successfully killed AC Smith last night and there is nothing to suggest otherwise and there's also nothing to support a scummer being role blocked. At all. |
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Post by SalTal on Sept 10, 2013 4:09:36 GMT -4
If there were two Road Blockers that blocked people, wouldn't that SHOW in the write up most the time? Alfred Gator got blocked, that's ONE. Maybe I'm suspicious because only one showed up in the write up. I haven't had the experience of two road blockers blocking the same time and not both being in the write up. I can confirm that my roleblocking does not appear in the write-up. At this point, I'm going to endorse Level-One's theory: Town and scum roleblockers. Town targeted KJE, scum targeted me. I have no real way of confirming this, mind you. |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 10, 2013 4:19:27 GMT -4
I wasn't sure so it's good I put it out there at least. We need another write up. We need something to bring out the scum.
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Post by KJE on Sept 10, 2013 8:05:54 GMT -4
Its not the write ups that bring out the scum. Its hunting through what people say, and other roles that bring them out.
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Post by Reaver on Sept 10, 2013 12:40:16 GMT -4
aye^^ this. im going to go thru and re-read the past few posts while i can.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 10, 2013 14:16:31 GMT -4
The write ups give information regardless, we wouldn't know who died, the game plans come out a bit as well. This is a detective styled game and everything is evidence to take into question.
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 10, 2013 15:19:07 GMT -4
Just got in from school. Give me a minute to read these posts and I'll be back to you.
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Post by Speede on Sept 10, 2013 15:26:47 GMT -4
Vote Count:
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Not Voting: Everyone
1. (no subject) - Envi
2. SalTal
3. Level One
4. KJE
5. Jace
6. Matt Stone
7. Michael Jennings
8. Gordon Fury
9. AC Smith
10. Pepsi
11. Last King
12. Jason Kash
13. Reaver
14. tony
with twelve players alive, it takes SEVEN votes to lynch.
Day Two ends Thursday, September 12, 2013, at 3:00pm eastern, in just under 48 hours.
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 10, 2013 15:27:09 GMT -4
OK so after reading, I see we are still debating roles and such. Thanks Sal for the info, for I actually didn't know cops could be sane or insane. Guess we just wait till the next writeup.
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Post by Jace on Sept 10, 2013 20:39:41 GMT -4
If there were two Road Blockers that blocked people, wouldn't that SHOW in the write up most the time? Alfred Gator got blocked, that's ONE. Maybe I'm suspicious because only one showed up in the write up. I haven't had the experience of two road blockers blocking the same time and not both being in the write up. I can confirm that my roleblocking does not appear in the write-up. At this point, I'm going to endorse Level-One's theory: Town and scum roleblockers. Town targeted KJE, scum targeted me. I have no real way of confirming this, mind you. I would like to know how, and would like you to confirm your claimed roleblock isn't in the write up, please. Because it looks like to me Gator got blocked 2 people died, and all Gator did was pull a parking break. If a 3rd person where to die it would be in the write up as I understand things. So with your claim, it to me seems odd it wouldn't be in the write up. It would also make sense you would agree with Level-1 clearing your name. So please tell us how it is you can confirm your role block wasn't in the write up. |
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 10, 2013 21:10:43 GMT -4
I'd guess it would have something to do with her character not being in the write up at all. And as stated, there's nothing in the write up to suggest there was a role block. I don't know why this theory is being pushed. I'm not saying it's not possible that scum WAS role block but I don't know how you get that from the write up.
To suggest that Gator the ONLY scum member was role blocked in the write up would mean that AC Smith was killed by someone who wasn't scum. Again, no evidence to support that.
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 10, 2013 21:13:40 GMT -4
I'd also like to once again urge that someone check out The King. If social clues are anything, I'd be surprised if this guy wasn't scum.
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Post by SalTal on Sept 10, 2013 21:34:01 GMT -4
I can confirm that my roleblocking does not appear in the write-up. I would like to know how, and would like you to confirm your claimed roleblock isn't in the write up, please. Because it looks like to me Gator got blocked 2 people died, and all Gator did was pull a parking break. If a 3rd person where to die it would be in the write up as I understand things. So with your claim, it to me seems odd it wouldn't be in the write up. It would also make sense you would agree with Level-1 clearing your name. So please tell us how it is you can confirm your role block wasn't in the write up. I can't tell you why my roleblock isn't in the write-up. Perhaps - and I'm going out on a limb here - not every single night action is in the write-up? This may be the worst scum-hunting I've been subjected to, ever. If there was 14 people alive night one, on your logic there should be a night action for all of those people who have one. So you're implicitly suggesting that there should be 10-14 night actions in there. And, by logic, you're saying that there's: - No doctor, because there's no protect in there - No cops, because there's not a single investigation - No trackers, because no one got tracked in there - No watchers, because no one was watched in any of that - Etc. - Etc. - Etc. Getting the picture? Of course people dying are in the write-ups ... how else are you going to know they died!? As for the notion that everything has to appear in the write-up, I'd start to think beyond that sooner rather than later. TL;DR: I can confirm my roleblock wasn't in the write-up because my character wasn't in the flipping write-up and I can read! |
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 10, 2013 21:39:27 GMT -4
And there we go.  |
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Post by Reaver on Sept 10, 2013 22:54:25 GMT -4
sorry havnt had a chance to read up again, im working on it.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 11, 2013 0:30:46 GMT -4
I think the little bit of theory that is there is just being tugged on because there is nothing else right now. Sally kind of laid out the knowledge there though! Right now we have Level One's assumption of Last King to be scum and wants him watched? Well then people who can do that need to get on it cause it's all we got right now to go off of.
People who sign up should play or don't sign up. These silent signs up only make it harder and when do Mod Kill start kicking in?
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Post by Michael Jennings on Sept 11, 2013 0:35:47 GMT -4
Right now after reading through everything I think both KJE and Sally are town. However I would think the scum roleblocker likely blocked KJE and not Sally since Sally is more likely to be watched. That's just my opinion on that. Also Jace your logic is really flawed going by what I'm seeing.
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Post by Jace on Sept 11, 2013 1:05:01 GMT -4
With Sally's claim and the write up the way it is, the question just kept nagging at me. This being my second game it still have to learn more about the way this game is played.
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Post by KJE on Sept 11, 2013 2:28:54 GMT -4
Hopefully after night two we get more to go off of. Right now most of the talk going on is just getting people tied up, and thats a good thing. Keep stumbling.
I am town. Hopefully sally is too. If there is anyone that can check that statement to clear me have at it.
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Post by Gordon Fury on Sept 11, 2013 4:32:30 GMT -4
Yeh if I had anything to add, I would have. 100% agree with Sally on her point, and L1 on his roleblocker point, and there is not a whole lot else going on.
Also, for the potential lie detector, I am town. Just in case.
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Post by Pepsi on Sept 11, 2013 7:52:16 GMT -4
I am definitely leaning toward both KJE and Sally being town. Which as has been pointed out means there are 2 roleblockers. At least that gives us a short list of likely town going into the night phase. I think King is definitely worth a look and I am also somewhat concerned about those who are trying to push the idea of Gator being blocked. The flaws in that logic have been pointed out well already, I am just always leery of people who don't pay close attention to the write ups.
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 11, 2013 8:48:48 GMT -4
I'd also like to once again urge that someone check out The King. If social clues are anything, I'd be surprised if this guy wasn't scum. Well you're gonna be surprised when I flip town. |
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