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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 1:13:13 GMT -4
EWOP
I just want to put some activity into this game. Not sure whats up with Speede but his last game flunked out and it sucks to see a game people sign up for flunking out. So many sign up and then don't play. Almost a waste of time in games like this but I can't NOT agree with what Jace said because I seen the Gator being blocked in that write up too, that's just how I took it. Not saying ALL roles are in a write up but Alfred The Gator seems a major role in this game and his actions have been consistent.
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 16, 2013 1:22:37 GMT -4
It's pretty convenient for you to look past things this game, yet last game you where all over every little detail. You want to use your clout in hopes people will follow you. You go out and say you know for sure Sally isn't scum. How do you know this? Things you are saying here are more suspicious to me then last game. It seems your just trying to take the heat off of Sally instead of being interested in whats in front of you. I'm not trying to be a hero I'm stating what I believe. I didn't look past anything. I addressed everyone of your concerns - where as, you ignore mine in return. Secondly, I want you to find where I said that Sally Talfourd wasn't scum. I don't think I stated anything of the sort. I did state that I thought she was town last day phase but I never cleared her. I am telling you that the evidence does not support your claim where YOU said Sally Talfourd was Gator, the mafia killer. That's my claim. Don't twist my words to fit your scenario. Jaces claim is string cheese. This isn't about Sally. If he had role blocked you day one, he would have came to this same conclusion. That's the problem with his entire case. Not all info is good info. This is not good info. Until you can offer an explanation for the death of AC Smith, you can take your FOS and shove it. You and Jace want to talk all this shit about reading the write ups, then show me where another faction was implicated for in any of the write ups we've seen so far. I don't think Jace is scum but I am suspect of anyone who nods their head at the notion of this ridiculous theory. If you had any real experience in this game, you'd understand my position. Unfortunately, neither of you do. |
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Post by Jace on Sept 16, 2013 1:57:00 GMT -4
Concerning the role block situation, if Kaylyn and Sally are to believed than that would probably make them both town - solely from a statistic standpoint but I'd say it's better than nothing. If this is the case than I could see a Mafia role blocker targeting Sally Talfourd and a pro Town role blocker targeting Kaylyn Evans on a night one. Positive thing about all this is, if any of these two are lying - the town role blocker would know or even a third person who was role blocked. Until that's refuted, Sally is cleared in my books. Statistically speaking, Kaylyn is too. A little more room for error on that hutch though. You cleared Sally i your books to not be scum in this post. I'm not twisting words. Also in this post it looks like roles where reversed. I blocked Sally being pro town so KJE was blocked by scum. It seems to me your trying really hard to take the heat of Sally. The proof is in the writing and in my night actions. |
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 16, 2013 2:02:58 GMT -4
Concerning the role block situation, if Kaylyn and Sally are to believed than that would probably make them both town - solely from a statistic standpoint but I'd say it's better than nothing.If this is the case than I could see a Mafia role blocker targeting Sally Talfourd and a pro Town role blocker targeting Kaylyn Evans on a night one. Positive thing about all this is, if any of these two are lying - the town role blocker would know or even a third person who was role blocked. Until that's refuted, Sally is cleared in my books. Statistically speaking, Kaylyn is too. A little more room for error on that hutch though. You cleared Sally i your books to not be scum in this post. I'm not twisting words. Also in this post it looks like roles where reversed. I blocked Sally being pro town so KJE was blocked by scum. It seems to me your trying really hard to take the heat of Sally. The proof is in the writing and in my night actions. Do you even know what a clear is? That is not a clear. A clear is done through a night action, I never claimed to have used one on her. Though, thanks for trying to take things out of context. AGAIN. I also said something similar about KJE and she flipped town - while you were busy trying to role blocker her the night she died. Smooth moves, dude. If you actually believed your own role block theory, you would have blocked Sally again. No worries, that makes two of us. |
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Post by Evan De Parker on Sept 16, 2013 2:04:36 GMT -4
Yikes...
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 2:06:03 GMT -4
Yeah maybe I am inexperienced but as far ass seeing past games, people JUMPED on your word alone that I was Godfather (Which turned out to be true) but you had nothing but your word on it to take. No example, no proof, just a word based on your night actions I'd assume. This isn't much different from that at all. Like I said, I think right now? It's the best lead anyone has.
You've only contributed to someone "watching King" based on his inexperience. If Jace is wrong, he takes the fall in the aftermath. Just as ANY other time people have jumped to accuse someone without any proof. He has his night actions and evidently that's enough for him. So far, this game has mostly been Jace, Myself, Level One, and Ms. Sally as participants actually playing the game and not just hopping in for a few words here and there. This game is about playing detective, looking at the write ups, people's words, and finding a way to weed out the scum. He's following all those basis and is looking at Sally right now. He had an apparent gameplan and is following through with it while NOBODY else has had a LICK of a direction outside of saying Watch so and so. If I'm wrong, I will GLADLY take my FOS and stand in a corner like an ignorant child who needs punishing. If Jace is wrong then I'll lube his FOS Stick up and butt fuck him with it. Until someone else comes with more conclusive proof or theory..This fits better than NOTHING.
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Post by Jace on Sept 16, 2013 2:06:17 GMT -4
I chose not to block Sally again to see if Gator would be successful with the kill. Behold I don't block Sally and Gator is successful as to where I blocked her the first night and Gator wasn't. The only way for you to know for sure she isn't Gator and Mafia made the kill of Smith is if in fact you are Gator.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 2:11:28 GMT -4
EWOP
I'm done for the time being, I'm SURE there will be no further advancements in my time away. I'll check back on my phone is an hour or so though. HOPING for more proof if any is to be had or at least a directing path so we're not sitting around twiddling our thumbs over people defending someone COMPLETELY without the person questioned not having yet defended herself. Seems off to me..
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 16, 2013 2:18:29 GMT -4
Or... Gator killed night one, as the DEATH of AC Smith suggests. Again, notice how I said death. Not your bullshit cherry picked reading into a few lines of the write up that is undetermined. The death of AC Smith is a FACT and nothing suggests he was killed by anyone but a red faction. No other faction exists according to the write up.
Yes, it's very different. I slapped a guarantee on my lynch on you. A lynch I got because I knew what character you would chose in the game.
Jace has explained his theory behind what happened and it's already been debunked. Your refusal to acknowledge it is suspicious.
You don't know why I said that about King, don't pretend you do. Secondly, what I bolded is exactly what I do not want to happen. I do not think Jace is scum; he just has no idea what he's doing.
No, it doesn't and I explained why. Either counter the points I raised or stop replying to my comments as if you actually have something worthy to say. The basis of Jace's claim is that he role blocked the killer, WHO HAS NEVER FAILED A KILL. The the write up does NOT support his claim. That is my argument. Yet, you choose to ignore it.
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Post by Jace on Sept 16, 2013 2:30:07 GMT -4
Unless your Gator L1 and know mafia made that kill, there is nothing to suggest mafia killed Smith. there was the brakes being messed with no one died. Then Smith kills Stone. Then here is the kicker someone we don't know who kills Smith. Nothing says Gator killed Smith at all. But yet at the end of smith dying the only sounds that can be heard is the roar of a tiger. Explain that.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 2:32:23 GMT -4
I knew better than to pick RVD...haha. Okay so then what would you suggest? Just wait and see because this game would die on that choice. You have insulted to defend Sally so that is suspicious, anyone disagree? You almost mocked Smith in his death, again suspicious. Maybe someone needs to watch you? Then again maybe you'd give off a clear read. I guess we'll see when Sally finally gets on and speaks on the matter.
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 16, 2013 2:37:09 GMT -4
Unless your Gator L1 and know mafia made that kill, there is nothing to suggest mafia killed Smith. there was the brakes being messed with no one died. Then Smith kills Stone. Then here is the kicker someone we don't know who kills Smith. Nothing says Gator killed Smith at all. But yet at the end of smith dying the only sounds that can be heard is the roar of a tiger. Explain that. You're reading into the flavor of the write up, do you understand that? How many Mafia Games have you modded? I think it's somewhere around the number of zero. The person writing the write up can make it as cryptic as they like. AC Smith could have woke up dead one day with no scum implicated at all - it doesn't mean the scum didn't kill him. Explain why Gator NEEDS to be directly implicated in AC Smith's death - yet, a vigilante kill that you said must've have happened can go unnoticed? Your second theory was the mafia has two kills. Okay, so who is the second Mafia member that was responsible for the second kill on night one? Either the target was blocked or protected, where is it? Good luck finding it. |
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 16, 2013 2:43:54 GMT -4
EWOP
I give up for tonight. Wasting too much time.
Breaking it down, dummies.
AC Smith kills Matt Stone.
Mafia/Gator kills AC Smith.
The most logical explanation. Period.
Day two =
Gator kills Kaylyn Evans.
Serial killer is dead, thus one kill instead of two. Mafia successfully kills again. Do the math, I'm done here until someone new wants to weigh in. This is going nowhere.
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Post by Jace on Sept 16, 2013 2:47:51 GMT -4
Regardless of how much a write up is encrypted it must still have clues to further the game. I think your just ignoring some things. I said I was town last game and you forced my hand, this time around your not questioning me at all. Is that because your scum and know I'm town? I may be inexperience in this game, and I think your counting on that and you self said clout to discredit me. Others have had a theory somewhere along these lines and you discredited it to. Now other people don't want to say anything for fear of your supposed clout you have here.
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Post by Level-Two on Sept 16, 2013 2:49:11 GMT -4
Oh look, ignored my post again.
Yawn.
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Post by Jace on Sept 16, 2013 2:52:29 GMT -4
I'm not ignoring your posts I believe your hiding something and trying to push me aside.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 3:01:55 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that nobody but Level One is throwing out cheap insults. Wow if the world could only live in the pleasantville of be all, end all intellect of some people. Must be nice knowing everything. I've been called dumb before, gonna have to try harder. You're still defending someone who has been online and not once defended herself. You saying that people haven't been lynched for less than what Jace has found even if he is wrong?
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 16, 2013 3:05:11 GMT -4
Nothing here suggests a big kill and a 2nd Mafia kill, while it is a possibility, is too far fetched. I think it was the Mafia who killed AC. Unless there is ANOTHER faction, which I don't see, Mafia killing AC is the only logical answer.
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 16, 2013 3:06:58 GMT -4
EBWOP
vig kill not big kill
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Post by SalTal on Sept 16, 2013 3:19:31 GMT -4
Alright gents, let’s get ourselves started here. I think we’re overlooking the fact that Jace said, on Day two: I don't have any information to add at this time. I will know more next write up. So you whole gameplan (as Kash cited) is revealed now: You’re playing cute. You’re playing a classic rookie game. Now normally I wouldn’t begrudge someone for that. But with the lack of experience here, you’re half a chance of getting a bandwagon with some other inexperienced people here with the scum, and then half a chance again of getting a townie lynched. I hate the cute game. It’s the worst. It gives far to many false-negatives. If one thing happens to align with the haphazard guesses of a cute game, you’re going to push hard. And what’s worse is that you’re not even an information gatherer. You’re not someone who can give any certain information, just coincidental information which are prone to false negatives. Let me spell this out for you: You do X and Y happens. You do A and Y - X happens. So you roleblocked me, and in your mind Gator was roleblocked and unable to kill in the write up (and trust me: We’re coming back to this ...). Then the next night you roleblocked KJE leaving me to take a night action, Gator gets a kill so I must be Gator. Logic be damned, I guess. Can I just remind you, like I did last day phase that there are so many variables that YOU aren’t taking into account that it’s become dangerous for the town. So let’s go back to Day Two. Here you are, knowing full well that I’ve been roleblocked and questioning my claim/the veracity of what I was saying. If you were playing town, you would do one of two things: Confirm my roleblock Confirm my roleblock, then repeat your roleblock to see if you get the same results. This is called verifying your hypothesis. And, ultimately, you would be falsifying it because it would turn out to be true. You would have roleblocked a town member, your claim would have been proven wrong, and your theory here would be out the window. If you knew what you were doing, based on some sort of experience, you would have blocked me again. Not blocking me has told you absolutely nothing because no one else repeated the same actions as you either. There was a kill night one, a kill night two, and you’ve blocked two people. Where exactly is your success criteria? As a townie with a non-information role, your only way of claiming success is by stopping a kill. How’d that go for you? What if I told you I didn’t do anything last night? That given the last game where I was roleblocked for all bar one night I was involved in, I figured I’d save what limited night actions I’ve got to a point where’d I’d have a chance to make them work? So all you’ve done is roleblock the night kill. And as I see, while I write, that Kash is throwing dirt at me for not being a post-a-thon, that just help the scum hide. Jace has outed himself as the town roleblocker, fine. Let him bumble around. My suspect is Kash now. He’s jumped on this, thrown Level-One under the bus with me, and remembering back to Day One he happily threw dirt then and there too on me. Why not target one of the strong players from the start and pick at the scab from the start? |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 3:37:01 GMT -4
I threw dirt at you day one? I at the very least applaud you for breaking things down and defendig yourself which is all I've asked. Which is why instead of an outright vote I FOSed you wanting to hear your side. I like everyone else have too little of info on the situation and lynches have been made off less than what Jace is saying about you correct? My role as Town is a watcher since there somehow needs to be someone coming clean. I've watched L1 twice and both times he's visited himself. I'm confused on that matter but didn't go out right on him because it wasn't enough to where I thought it'd make a case. It is inexperience on my part but for you I've wondered if not scum then maybe town cop. I again wasn't certain hence the FOS instead of a vote either way. Still the petty insults from L1 and his odd reads on day one and two of hin beijg my target and visiting himself is my only evidence for anything and I don't know why if anything that would occur...Btw, thanks for not spewing out small jabs because I think it ruins the fun of playing a game, jumping in and trying to understand as I go when people throw out insults to your person for trying when how many arent even involved....
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Post by "The Last King" on Sept 16, 2013 3:56:58 GMT -4
Basically you have only watches one person for two nights now? Meanwhile, Gator is killing off the town. If L1 is watching himself, doesn't it prove that he ISN'T the one killing everyone off? You could've put the role to GOOD use but you outed yourself. You better hope the town doctor, if there is one, protects you.
You and Jace out yourselves for nothing. L1 checking himself two nights in a row proves WHAT? Gator Getting the kill when Sally isn't roleblocked proves WHAT? Not only that, but the Mafia was SUCCESSFUL in a kill both nights. But it doesn't matter anymore because this is how I see it
Either we protect the Watcher and the RBer risks getting killed
or
We protect the RBer and the watcher risks getting killed.
BTW Kash, Where were you when L1 asked for someone to check me?
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 4:39:13 GMT -4
Watching him. Who said L1 was watching himself? I watched L1 and he visited himself in the read. He asked to watch you based on your inexperience and that was at a time I on a whim decided to watch him instead. Thinking if he did kill then I'd see it. Clearly that's what I get for thinking? I never claimed to be experienced in this game and have always been more hands on learning than studying and remembering every role or variation of roles. If that gets me lynched then I guess the cookie crumbles against me. Wouldn't be the first or last time.
I'm playing a game and I took a risk watching him twice. The read was odd and made no sense to me, now I learn a lesson and it's one less mistake to make next time. Sorry if that's not the "educated" way of doing it but I've never claimed to be that either so I'ma continue doing how I been doing. Live and Die the same as everyone else, education doesn't make someone better, just makes them smarter. Oh well. I'm town and my role is:
Town Odd Night Tracker / Even Night Watcher
Got back the same result both times. He visited himself or my target (L1) visited Level One. Take that information and figure out whatever. I'm bout to go hit up a McDonald's for some coffee and check on some stocks I have. Deuces for now.
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Post by SalTal on Sept 16, 2013 4:39:43 GMT -4
Well done Kash - you just outed the town doctor.
#Rage
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 4:44:42 GMT -4
Can we just assume late Check Ins are Scum? That almost seems like a rookie mistake and I'd assume Sally would play better than that. Fury I don't know as well but I know he plays so just throwing that assumption is suspicious. I'm glad I joined another mafia game though. Sally do you mean this by me throwing dirt day one? This was due to Matt Stone's comment a few posts before. Not really dirt..More an excuse FOR why you hadn't signed in yet. |
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Post by SalTal on Sept 16, 2013 4:44:45 GMT -4
EBWOP
We're chasing our own tails here. I'm town, and you're in no position to doubt it right now.
Kash has outed himself and unless it's an elaborate ruse, he's town. Jace, same deal. Going on Kash's information, L1 is town. Given scum is 3/4 players left, we're a better chance of hitting scum with the remaining people than trying to pull the trigger on me:
1. (no subject) - Envi
2. Matt Stone
3. Michael Jennings
4. Gordon Fury
5. AC Smith
6. Pepsi
7. Last King
8. Reaver
9. tony
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Post by SalTal on Sept 16, 2013 4:46:21 GMT -4
Can we just assume late Check Ins are Scum? That almost seems like a rookie mistake and I'd assume Sally would play better than that. Fury I don't know as well but I know he plays so just throwing that assumption is suspicious. I'm glad I joined another mafia game though. Sally do you mean this by me throwing dirt day one? This was due to Matt Stone's comment a few posts before. Not really dirt..More an excuse FOR why you hadn't signed in yet. That was what I was referring to. A better phrasing for it would be "throwing suspicion on me"; ie. Day One: Oh look, Sally is late to check in. Isn't that scummy? Day Two: Hmmm, there's no real way we can confirm Sally was role blocked. It's maybe a scummy call. Day Three: Well, Sally was not roleblocked and there was a kill. That's three scummy days in a row! |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 4:48:01 GMT -4
EWOP
Did I? Yeah...I still haven't the slightest clue how! I just haven't played enough to know or haven't done enough reading on roles to know. Either way, bad play on my part I suppose. Is this the part where Town lynches Town? Heh.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Sept 16, 2013 4:52:20 GMT -4
Well congrats to me for being the dumbass for this game! I will sit down and study the roles better and be more prepared. Sometimes hands on learning just doesn't cut it. CLEARLY this is one of those occasions. My bad L1..I proved to be the dummy you spoke of!
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Post by SalTal on Sept 16, 2013 4:52:28 GMT -4
EWOPDid I? Yeah...I still haven't the slightest clue how! I just haven't played enough to know or haven't done enough reading on roles to know. Either way, bad play on my part I suppose. Is this the part where Town lynches Town? Heh. I'll elaborate if only so that it serves as a lesson: Doctors will visit people to protect them. A doctor will protect themselves (as they are a very important role) until they know of someone else who is more important to protect. Level-One visited himself night one. Level-One visited himself night two. If he was a cop, he would have visited himself night one to check for sanity (though Level-One usually skips this step, if I recall), but not the second night. If he was a watcher, he might have visited himself night one, but certainly not himself two nights in a row especially when he is pointing out players who SHOULD be targeted at night. Indeed, given the way L1 is posting (where is is directing OTHER PEOPLE to use their roles on someone else) it indicated that he does not have an information-gathering role. That leaves him with a night action that does something OTHER THAN getting information - protective, usually. |
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