FAR CRY 3 MAFIA (GAME THREAD - NIGHTY NIGHT FOUR)

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 7, 2013 22:47:16 GMT -4 Evan De Parker said:

FOS: JamesV

Why? Because from playing with you and reviewing a game you were featured in before our Godfather Mafia, it seems that you play a less involved game with briefer resposes and less calculated votes. I would attribute this to your change in schedule with your new job and whatnot, but you were still consistently active even during the peak of it. Your game style is noticeably different. You're a strong town player most of the time but I'm not sure if you have the ability to feign pointing town in the right direction without leading them to yourself. But I don't have enough (yet) to cast that vote. I'll look at the videos first and see if I can't piece something together.

FOS: Envi

I've been more active than 80% of the people in the game and I was the main person arguing with Speede before he was lynched so that basically destroys your entire weak argument that was clearly put out there to either manipulate the game or see what reaction you get out of me. I also find it intriguing that you would post this as your first post this day phase but I will say this much, I know more than what I'm saying and I do have two scum leads, one strong one. Another thing to note is that when we were mafia together this post is very similar to what you were posting in that game when you were active in the game thread especially when you were trying to get the votes swung toward Sally in that game.

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 7, 2013 22:45:30 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

We are down our watcher and roleblocker; and there is a third party running around. We are in the process of getting our tails handed to us!

It's hard to believe that we are in our third day and nobody has a lead anywhere.

I think vetting TMarv is as good a lead as any but there are a few others that haven't been very active over the past few phases. Where is everyone?

There are two things to note.
1, the focus on third party instead of the scum team.

2, the bolded quote. "Where is everyone?" This one comment basically backs up my entire point about the game thread and Envi's weak FOS post. Lots of inactivity and you're focusing on an active player? Yeah, there's nothing suspicious about that. Nothing at all.

[Reaver]

i can confirm that jennings is town.

fos: rebel

^^ that has me suspect

[Johnny Rebel]

Point me in the direction where I said anything about you being anything? I simply responded to your post where you commented about numbers. I am focused on the town winning and to do that we have to eliminate both scum and third party.

I am concerned about lurkers...and now we apparently have a lead with Envi jumping down your throat with a weak and tired "you're playing differently" argument.

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 7, 2013 23:35:13 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

Point me in the direction where I said anything about you being anything? I simply responded to your post where you commented about numbers. I am focused on the town winning and to do that we have to eliminate both scum and third party.

I am concerned about lurkers...and now we apparently have a lead with Envi jumping down your throat with a weak and tired "you're playing differently" argument.

That was directed at Envi, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

However your focus on third party is the only thing that you said that piqued my interest.

[Evan De Parker]

My post wasn't based on your activity. I'm simply used to seeing you make a much more vigorous attempt at uncovering details than I've managed to see. All I have to go on is your style, and how it differs from before.

I can assure you all that this is the first game where I'm not on the scum team. However, harking back to Jennings' earlier point-- are you insinuating that I should target inactives for a lynch and wait for mafia to pick us off at night?

If you're looking to lynch me for "jumping down the throat" of a guy that might not even be town (because Reaver's post means nothing to me unless I missed the part where HE was confirmed town, in which case, I apologize) then I strongly suggest you don't. This town isn't in a position to do so.

I'm throwing darts until something sticks; fucks not given. You're all shady until I have reason to think otherwise.

Anyway. Back to these videos, because I kept getting distracted while trying to watch them this evening.

[Evan De Parker]

EBWOP: And yes, by "vigorous", I mean "involved." Perhaps I'm looking for debt from you that I shouldn't expect during the day three-phase. Bear with me. I'm not exactly a veteran at this game.

[Evan De Parker]

*depth not debt. Jeezus.

["The Last King"]

Regardless if it's 3rd Party or Scum, they are out to get the town regardless. We are three days in and we haven't a single trace. The only thing we got is Reaver clearing JamesV. Other than that, we have doughnut(0) info

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 7, 2013 22:47:16 GMT -4 Evan De Parker said:

FOS: JamesV

Why? Because from playing with you and reviewing a game you were featured in before our Godfather Mafia, it seems that you play a less involved game with briefer resposes and less calculated votes. I would attribute this to your change in schedule with your new job and whatnot, but you were still consistently active even during the peak of it. Your game style is noticeably different. You're a strong town player most of the time but I'm not sure if you have the ability to feign pointing town in the right direction without leading them to yourself. But I don't have enough (yet) to cast that vote. I'll look at the videos first and see if I can't piece something together.

Oct 8, 2013 0:20:27 GMT -4 Evan De Parker said:

My post wasn't based on your activity. I'm simply used to seeing you make a much more vigorous attempt at uncovering details than I've managed to see. All I have to go on is your style, and how it differs from before.

I can assure you all that this is the first game where I'm not on the scum team. However, harking back to Jennings' earlier point-- are you insinuating that I should target inactives for a lynch and wait for mafia to pick us off at night?

If you're looking to lynch me for "jumping down the throat" of a guy that might not even be town (because Reaver's post means nothing to me unless I missed the part where HE was confirmed town, in which case, I apologize) then I strongly suggest you don't. This town isn't in a position to do so.

I'm throwing darts until something sticks; fucks not given. You're all shady until I have reason to think otherwise.

Anyway. Back to these videos, because I kept getting distracted while trying to watch them this evening.

Going by the bolded parts of your posts you're insinuating that it's about my activity especially with your comment about my job. You SPECIFICALLY mentionned it in your post which is why I brought it up. If that wasn't the case then why specifically would you bring up my job in your post when making your point about my "different play style?"

Why the HELL would ANYONE insinuate targeting inactives? That makes no sense. Also nice job of outing that you have a night action with minimal heat on you. That's a town slip right there if there ever was one.

Oct 8, 2013 0:21:56 GMT -4 Evan De Parker said:

EBWOP: And yes, by "vigorous", I mean "involved." Perhaps I'm looking for debt from you that I shouldn't expect during the day three-phase. Bear with me. I'm not exactly a veteran at this game.

You shouldn't expect much from me this early. I only go for the kill if I have something concrete.

Speaking of which, back to Rebel. How are you concerned about lurkers? Also how is the Envi thing a lead when I have a bigger lead on you with the third party comments with ZERO mention of the scum team in your post? Seemed like a Freudian Slip to me.

[Evan De Parker]

Looking at your bolded posts, I still think you're misinterpreting my original accusations. I tried to avoid labeling you as an "inactive" for this reason.

And let's be honest... I've told town that voting for me was a "bad idea" in every Mafia game I've been in. I could be bullshitting you. Who knows, who knows?

But, more on this later. Apparently something isn't "clicking" for me here, so I'm gonna read through the thread, partially to see who really is inactive, partially because I wanna see if there's any reason that I should think TMarv might be a part of the Mafia. L1 seemed desperate to find a replacement for Sally ASAP, and I imagined L1 giving Sally a Mafia role in this game (just because it wouldn't be Mafia without a vet scum member...) but in the past 2 games I've played, the replacement was just a member of the town. For all we know, Marv has a helpful role.

I'm not ignoring your lead on Rebel, btw. I simply don't know how he plays, and don't have much to offer you in terms of that.

Hmmm...

KJE are you scum?

[Gordon Fury]

I believe both Envi and Jennings are town. Envi is (from what I can see) trying to play an honest game, and throwing suspicion at Jennings caused a, well, Jennings-like response lol.

That said, im not sold on Rebel, that slip isnt enough for me to pull the trigger. I want to hear from him before I do anything.

[Reaver]

Wat i find odd is all the misdirection envi i throwing, feeling desperate?

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 8, 2013 0:44:45 GMT -4 Evan De Parker said:

Looking at your bolded posts, I still think you're misinterpreting my original accusations. I tried to avoid labeling you as an "inactive" for this reason.

And let's be honest... I've told town that voting for me was a "bad idea" in every Mafia game I've been in. I could be bullshitting you. Who knows, who knows?

But, more on this later. Apparently something isn't "clicking" for me here, so I'm gonna read through the thread, partially to see who really is inactive, partially because I wanna see if there's any reason that I should think TMarv might be a part of the Mafia. L1 seemed desperate to find a replacement for Sally ASAP, and I imagined L1 giving Sally a Mafia role in this game (just because it wouldn't be Mafia without a vet scum member...) but in the past 2 games I've played, the replacement was just a member of the town. For all we know, Marv has a helpful role.

I'm not ignoring your lead on Rebel, btw. I simply don't know how he plays, and don't have much to offer you in terms of that.

Hmmm...

KJE are you scum?

You were bullshitting the last game too. The ONLY reason I think you might be town was the slip bout the night action. Itt appeared to be a town slip to me.

Oct 8, 2013 1:36:04 GMT -4 Reaver said:

Wat i find odd is all the misdirection envi i throwing, feeling desperate?

Are you saying that you think he's sweating and flailing after feeling the heat?

[KJE]

Envi, I believe you asked me if I was scum... No. I am not. What you didn't ask me was if I was third party.... why is that? I am not either for the record. Sorry I have been distant as of late, but as you all might have noticed its not just from the game, its all around that I have been distant. A lot going on, sorry.

[Jace]

I have been popping in and out between work and my daughters soccer practice and games. Been pretty busy since the soccer season for recreational has started. Speedes lynching was a misfortune I wasn't convinced he was scum so I didn't vote. I'm still learning and don't have any form of a power role. I agree about lurkers though.

1. Matt Stone
2. Gordon Fury
3. Jace
4. Blade
5. Stefan Raab
6. Evan Envi
7. JamesV
8. T-Marv
9. Kaylyn James Evans
10. Reaver
11. Johnny Rebel
12. The Last King
13. AC Smith
14. Roy Speede
15. Jason Kash
16. Brian Hollywood

Out of these players Kash, Hollywood, and Raab haven't said very much of anything. Marv is a sub and this write up came today so he may not have checked it, not sure.

now about third party, I don't think "she" is a problem I think she is a survivor in which they win with either side if this is true there is no reason to worry about this person. Scum players are just watching us town players lynch one another. Again I have no proof of anything this is just what I've noticed.

[Lord Raab]

I'm glad that I didn't vote for Speede because of the role he had but it must be a vet player playing scum because most of the strong roles have gone. I realized that I haven't been active Jace and it's because as I've said already on the game thread that I can't watch the videos due to the limited net I have and watching the videos takes a lot of GB's up so I have no choice but to go by with what people are saying in the thread so I can't help that much if at all.

I think we should be trying to find a mafia or a third party member ASAP. At this stage of the game I don't have a clue who's scum and who isn't apart from Knuckles clearing Michael. That's really all I can follow up at the moment.

[Jason Cashe]

Hi! There, I've said something..

[Johnny Rebel]

So, let me get this straight:

- I make a comment about wanting to get rid of anti-town and suddenly I'm a threat?

- If I remember correctly, you were the one that led to the push to lynch Speede, a town member with an extremely important role - in a bandwagon to which I didn't vote against because I wasn't convinced he was scum?

If Reaver is telling the truth, we are heading down a path that isn't going to net us anything. I find it odd that you're leaping on me for simply fleshing out the game when there has been absolutely no information out there. I didn't mention scum specifically because that's a given and obvious there is scum out there. I hadn't noticed if there was a third party and was correctly myself as I went back through the write ups and videos.

You told us earlier you have information on two potential scum leads. Why aren't we chasing those leads instead of bickering over a post I made while trying to figure out anti-town roles?

["The Last King"]

All of this bickering isn't going to benefit town. Not one bit...

What we need to do is pit it aside and work on those leads Rebel is talking about.

[Reaver]

i will also say this, im pretty sure i no who king is but as for his role im not sure although i can speculate. if thats the case then the couple of people who targeted me nite 1 can confirm who i am so u can trust my info

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 8, 2013 7:45:03 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

So, let me get this straight:

- I make a comment about wanting to get rid of anti-town and suddenly I'm a threat?

- If I remember correctly, you were the one that led to the push to lynch Speede, a town member with an extremely important role - in a bandwagon to which I didn't vote against because I wasn't convinced he was scum?

If Reaver is telling the truth, we are heading down a path that isn't going to net us anything. I find it odd that you're leaping on me for simply fleshing out the game when there has been absolutely no information out there. I didn't mention scum specifically because that's a given and obvious there is scum out there. I hadn't noticed if there was a third party and was correctly myself as I went back through the write ups and videos.

You told us earlier you have information on two potential scum leads. Why aren't we chasing those leads instead of bickering over a post I made while trying to figure out anti-town roles?

1. You SPECIFICALLY only said third party, NOTHING about anti-town only third party. That's a red flag right there.

2. That comment about the Speede wagon sounds like something a scum player would say if they were trying to get the heat off.

3. You're not fleshing out the game. You're trying to get the heat off of yourself. You don't have to mention mafia specifically but ONLY saying third party and then changing your tune when the heat is on is suspect.

4. I am following one of my leads...

I'm not showing all my cards. Your reactions however are telling me that one of my leads is likely to be correct.

King, Rebel is the lead. That's why I've been pushing it so much.

[Johnny Rebel]

Come on! Anti-town is anything that isn't town, Jennings. Hence the name, "anti" - you know, against, not-for, contrary.

My comments regarding the Speede bandwagon isn't anything other than truth. It's not a gimmick to remove the "heat" against me...it's simply the truth. I didn't vote against Speede because nobody made a logical argument against him other than he was coming off testy. And what happened? He flipped town and you're standing there with your pants around your ankles! I'm guessing those same leads that led you to Speede are also leading to me? Please.

I'm not changing my tune on anything. I'm for the town winning at all costs, which means as long as there is a threat out there, we're in trouble. Threats mean mafia and anti-town, which I guess I have to spell out for you is third-party as well.

By all means, exhaust your leads. Because why you're wasting your time chasing down rabbit trails that don't exist.

[A.C. Smith]

I don't have a lot of time (packing for a cross-country move is a bitch!), but here's my two cents.

Envi vs. Jennings strikes me as town vs. town, and I'm willing to believe Reaver for the moment when he says Jennings is town (although if we have someone out there who can check that out tonight, someone should). I'm not 100% sold on Rebel, though he's much more active than usual, if that means anything at all.

I still think it's suspect that T-Marv hasn't posted at all since my FOS. Again, maybe this is me reading too much into the replacement, but we really don't have a whole hell of a lot to go off of at this point.

[T-Marv]

I haven't been active in many games lately, so if that's your reason for suspecting I'm Scum then try again. L1 wasn't protecting a power role or Scum, I promise you that. He was simply keeping the Town from being to overwhelmed by Mod-killing someone who wasn't going to play.

That said, those following AC's lead seem to be setting me up for a bandwaggon with rationale and that to me is suspicious. From what I've seen from back reading and everything else. My biggest suspects at this point are Envi and Rebel.

Reasons:
Rebel - You seem to be very involved in the game and that's very unlike you from a Town perspective. Leads me to believe you're scum or 3rd party, something extremely interesting to play.

Envi - That last paragraphed on Jennings felt very rehersed, like you were trying too hard to point the finger at him, like it was something you put together on a QuickTopic and hashed out so it seemed just right.

I don't think James V is scum. Matt Stone came out and said that he thinks James and Hollywood are town... and then Stone died. If James was scum he wouldn't take out his biggest supporter.

vote: Envi reason stated above.

[Jace]

Not defending anyone and I don't know how Rebel plays but he did promise to be active in the sign up thread before we even got our roles, but again I'm not sure.

[Johnny Rebel]

I've been modkilled more times then I care to admit here because I've signed up under the pretense that I'd actually have time to be active. I promised Level-One in the sign-up thread that I'd be active.

Nothing more, nothing less.

["The Last King"]

Okay. Well, after reading through, here is what I think.

I want to believe JamesV is town. I really do. But his mis-lynch on Speede and the bickering with Reb & Envi, though Envi I'm unsure if she is town. Reb said he promised to be active, which looks to me is a promise he is keeping.

James, you are a hell of a Mafia player. But in my opinion, you, along with a few others, are looking at the wrong people. James, you said it yourself that we need to "Think outside the box." Just because Rebel is active one game when he is known not to be, he is scum. By your reasoning James, me being inactive ONE game when I'm known to be active makes me scum unconditionally. You went from Speede, to Envi, and now Rebel. Not to say Rebel is completely and undoubtedly town, but he hasn't done anything to suggest otherwise.

Like you already said, we need to think outside the box. Like I said already, all of this bickering isn't going to bring the town anymore closer to victory. If we can trust Reaver's word, you are town. If we can trust T-Marv's and your word, Envi is possibly scum. I won't vote or fos on either because I myself am unsure. But we're ALL poking around the wrong bushes, and once again, it isn't benefiting town.

["The Last King"]

EBWOP

though Envi I'm unsure is HE is town*

[Michael Jennings]

Oct 8, 2013 12:31:30 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

I haven't been active in many games lately, so if that's your reason for suspecting I'm Scum then try again. L1 wasn't protecting a power role or Scum, I promise you that. He was simply keeping the Town from being to overwhelmed by Mod-killing someone who wasn't going to play.

That said, those following AC's lead seem to be setting me up for a bandwaggon with rationale and that to me is suspicious. From what I've seen from back reading and everything else. My biggest suspects at this point are Envi and Rebel.

Reasons:
Rebel - You seem to be very involved in the game and that's very unlike you from a Town perspective. Leads me to believe you're scum or 3rd party, something extremely interesting to play.

Envi - That last paragraphed on Jennings felt very rehersed, like you were trying too hard to point the finger at him, like it was something you put together on a QuickTopic and hashed out so it seemed just right.

I don't think James V is scum. Matt Stone came out and said that he thinks James and Hollywood are town... and then Stone died. If James was scum he wouldn't take out his biggest supporter.

vote: Envi reason stated above.

Vote: Envi

I agree with everything stated above.