ONIH Feedback

[Shadow]

I know this is Jeff's Job but i got alot of feedback i want to post early. I promise once the tag match is up I will include feedback for it too.

What are your thoughts on the match you we’re in: First well done to Evan for the way he wrote the match with Terry Marvin's departure. The elimination order made sense and the match flowed very well. Writing wise it carried the show to a hell of a climax. Storywise I have a couple of complaints. First: Im really disappointed Shadow did not eliminate anybody. In elimination matches I always try to push Shadow as someone who cleans house. In fact while other opponents were pulling off some of the more heinous things Shadow did not seem as vicious as he he had on Asylum. You get little bits here and there but he was almost always cut off right after hitting one person with something. Second: Ive been pushing a religious aspect to Shadow's roleplays for quite a while and it did not make sense for Shadow to remain in the back for that finish. In fact I felt Shadow was downplayed greatly in favor of Jerry Matthews. One a personal note I think I've really pushed myself to contribute segments and put forth quality work only to be undercut by a last minute return by Jerry Matthews. The only sensible way to follow this thing up is to have Shadow take on Jerry and Parker in the very near future because of the religious undertones they share. To pull Sally away from Mannie would cripple their storyline which has been something Ive really enjoyed reading and based on Asylum feedback, so has many others.

What was your favorite match on the card: I liked the Gauntlet match overall. Call me crazy (you're crazy) but it wasn't too long, it wasn't too over the top and it really did the roleplayers justice. Yes this PPV was plagued with no shows but this macth did a good job of selling the talent that did participate even though there was nothing big on the line. I especially thought it was a nice touch to pit Sang Real against one another. That happens in the wrestling world from time to time and it can provide them with some very interesting material. Peter Shelley has been stealing the show as of late. You know the man has plans to be a top contender in the near future and I can see him getting a title shot at the next PPV. I was also pleased to see Nathanial Havok return to form. Just a real good push for these people.

Favorite Segment:  The AJP AC Smith one. Mainly because of the measuring dicks comment. I'd left off calling AJP a man because i didn;t think it had merit anymore. Im going to start doing it again now.

Favorite moment in the show:  Johnny Rebel winning the WHC belt. I know it was sort of expected because L-1 (understandable dude) no showed but still having a new champion on Overdrive is really refreshing. L-1 is like Terry Marvin. they are champions they hold their belts and dont let go so to have a new WHC provide a breath of fresh air to Overdrive.

Who was the show’s MVP: The match writers. I can't give this to any one megastar I'm giving it to the writers because of the cluster fucks that happened in almost every match. The writers did a great job covering for the people who couldn't post and pulled out.

Additional comments:
First congratulations to EVERYONE who participated in ONiH. And a special congrats to the winners.

To touch on this, I think the bra and panties match seemed like something you would read in the non erotic section of Literotica. Kind of funny IMO. Ive never read a match like this and I it came together (of came off if you know what i mean) really well

Raab is suspended again? I think that needs top be reevaluated and taken a different way. it doesn't hold the weight it had last time he was. Is he going to Overdrive or not? Thats the real focus here. Not yet another suspension. It didn't seem interesting to me.

This next portion may bother people but I think it should be discussed.
I'd like to leave feed back to my opponents for their work. I'd actually like to see everyone do this in the future because I don't see how it would hurt.
While I was very pleased and excited to be in this match i have to say I am kind of disappointed at the turnout with everyone involved (including myself). I do not think its right to post two roleplays within twenty four hours, especially if its practically a deadline bomb (while many of you may be aware I extremely dislike deadline bombing, I see it as cheap). Although Sally, Evan and I all squeezed in two roleplays all three of us were guilty of posting two within twenty four hours and that wasn't fair to our opponents or ourselves. I honestly feel that if a match has a 2 RP limit, the show should have a deadline for the first roleplay and a final deadline for the second. If you mist the first deadline... well you only get one roleplay. I have a few reasons for this the primary being that it can help improve the quality of our roleplays. When you take two people and put them in a match against one another you're creating a story between them. This story is influenced by a number of factors: Each Megastar's recent dealing in APW, any storylines a Megastar may be involved in, the match writer's take on the two characters and most importantly the story the involved parties will share for the time are "in the ring." I understand some people don't read their opponents roleplays prior to posting and thats fine thats your prerogative but if a match has a two roleplay limit (speaking for myself) I do read my opponent's first roleplay and look for what kind of angles they feed me. It helps keep the creative juices pumping. When you're suffering from writers block (as many of us often do at times) having any/all of your opponents wait until the last 24 hours to post anything can really hamper the quality of your work. Yes I did suffer from writers block on this PPV couple that with my lack of time and well you get double RPs within 24 hours. So I apologize to my opponents for doing that. Special thanks to Sally for getting one up first.

I do understand people have lives outside of this place (Lord knows I am usually busy every damn day). Still, like Sentinel stressed a few weeks back, we OWE it to this place to budget our time better. The better quality work we put in, the better quality of show everyone gets.

Okay now onto the RP feedback.
Envi: Thank you very much for including the vandalism of the Undisputed championship. I had a story to tell at this PPV (saving Slade) I got to do it because of that. I honestly dont give a rats ass if people don't like the "Supernatual" aspect/characters I include in my roleplays if you arnt a fan of the show, well you just don't know good television lol. But I started pushign this rescue Slade from Hell angle because I didn't have a real storyline in the works and I wasnt going to drop it just because I was added to the elimination chamber. Again thank you for tossing that tidbit in it let me finish out my angle. I felt bringing back Callahan was a stretch because he left APW a face and suddenly he was there helping AJP? It didn't seem characteristic of him. Also the idea that he was helping to get back at Sally seemed to draw away from the Talford/Mannie storyline that was already full boar. If Callahan had come back at the PPV (which i thought might happen and glad it didnt) I think it wouldn't have been fair to them. Also the bookend portion of the RPs, discussing AJP's signing seemed out of place. That was back when AJP was a face, now she is a heel. On another note what happened to the "Jesus" angle you were pushing? I saw that drop off and actually was disappointed it was left out. It creates great heat and feeds you opponents a lot. I didn't mention it in my RPs because I didn't know if there was a particular reason it was excluded from yours.

Sally: Again thank you for feeding me something to work with. We'd never officially worked one another (the triple threat was storylined). But I was very disappointed in how Sally, a major face completely no sold Shadow. It's why I had Shadow no sell you. Ive said it before, I expect new people and rookies to say they know nothing about their opponent but both Sally and Shadow have been here for a long while. I thought it was uncharacteristic of her as a face and, from handler to handler, thought it was a little disrespectful. It implies that as a reader you do not pay attention to other matches on a show other than your own, hell I remembered Sally and Shadow's in ring work at S&C, yet Sally acted like Shadow was brand new. Really disrespectful. Your second roleplay was interesting. I am glad it paid off because yes Sally Talford's recent career has been a little lack luster. Having her go to the finale with AJP gives her a heck of a push, which she needed.

Mannie: First i want to stress dude, you got to budget your time better. 7 hours after deadline? To me thats damn near a no show. Nevertheless glad you got something up. As a heel, your no sell of Shadow was warranted, but was a little much IMO. Shadow and Mannie have crossed path numerous times in the past and Mannie seemed to disregard all of that. If you want to go that route I think you should elaborate on how you've changed and how this time will be different. Dont just say your opponent is a hack (paraphrasing). Give examples, there was enough history between Mannie and Shadow that we could have each written a whole roleplay strictly focused on one another.

Blade: I don't know why you couldn't post but I'll be honest after our PMs on the last Asylum, where you didn't really want Blade involved with the belt stealing, and you didn't want him on the show I actually expected a no show. There was no contribution from you in this match from start to finish and I'm sorry to say this man but that's disrespectful to the people who put you in this match. All I have to say.

Terry: Like Sally, I was really looking forward to seeing the dynamic Terry and I would have with our writing. Two major faces (one a former heel) going at it, seemed like instant TNT. I was sorely disappointed in Terry no showing. Maybe you didn't have time to RP because of outside factors and thats fine and I understand that. What bothered me what this bullshit storyline thrown in about Terry being ran down. What the hell was that? I am aware that APW functions in an efed universe with multiple federations but to me, seeing that post said one thing: "I didn't have time to roleplay because I was busy roleplaying for Sin City Wrestling." And to me that's crap. If you're in multiple feds that you're prerogative but don't let it affect your performance especially in a PPV Main Event. Now I may be reading to much into that. Truth is I don't know if this whole Steve Austin style run down was planned from the start. And if so that's even worse, because as far as I know, no one else was in on it. The match already had two surprise participants (Blade and Shadow) now Terry Marvin pulls out and puts in Jerry Matthews. Matthews was a great character but I don't feel the character was deserving of replacing Marvin in the chamber. everyone else in this match had been in APW at least a year. Jerry Matthews was here for a little while on Meltdown, came to Asylum and left. Then he comes back as a surprise entrant? Then again I don't think Marvin should have been removed from the chamber. To me It seemed like a cop out because he no showed. Last year Kurt Noble no showed ONiH and guess, what his character was still involved. This year Blade did the same. The characters took their ass kickings and moved on. This whole SCW thing seemed like Terry Marvin ducking out so his character didnt get stomped. If you wanted to do the hit and run you should have waited until after ONiH because since we all were aware you were about to pull the character out of APW, at least for the time being it would have made sense for Terry Marvin to show up, lose the chamber and then get struck on the way out. Storywise it leaves APW with no closure for the character.
IMO OOC wise- I feel like you not only wasted my time researching your character and writing about him but Mannie's, Sally's and Evan's too. Right now I have more respect for Blade's character than I do Terry Marvin's. This feeling is compounded by my perception of Terry Marvin's spin on losing the championship. It was the way you shrugged him off losing the belt, that the character was tired of being champ and was happy to be free of the burden of being a champion for over a year. That really made AJP's stunning victory look like shit. I think it was a terrible way to sell AJP's win and did not make her look like a champion.

[Johnny Rebel]

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

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This next portion may bother people but I think it should be discussed.
I'd like to leave feed back to my opponents for their work. I'd actually like to see everyone do this in the future because I don't see how it would hurt.
While I was very pleased and excited to be in this match i have to say I am kind of disappointed at the turnout with everyone involved (including myself). I do not think its right to post two roleplays within twenty four hours, especially if its practically a deadline bomb (while many of you may be aware I extremely dislike deadline bombing, I see it as cheap). Although Sally, Evan and I all squeezed in two roleplays all three of us were guilty of posting two within twenty four hours and that wasn't fair to our opponents or ourselves. I honestly feel that if a match has a 2 RP limit, the show should have a deadline for the first roleplay and a final deadline for the second. If you mist the first deadline... well you only get one roleplay. I have a few reasons for this the primary being that it can help improve the quality of our roleplays. When you take two people and put them in a match against one another you're creating a story between them. This story is influenced by a number of factors: Each Megastar's recent dealing in APW, any storylines a Megastar may be involved in, the match writer's take on the two characters and most importantly the story the involved parties will share for the time are "in the ring." I understand some people don't read their opponents roleplays prior to posting and thats fine thats your prerogative but if a match has a two roleplay limit (speaking for myself) I do read my opponent's first roleplay and look for what kind of angles they feed me. It helps keep the creative juices pumping. When you're suffering from writers block (as many of us often do at times) having any/all of your opponents wait until the last 24 hours to post anything can really hamper the quality of your work. Yes I did suffer from writers block on this PPV couple that with my lack of time and well you get double RPs within 24 hours. So I apologize to my opponents for doing that. Special thanks to Sally for getting one up first.

The deadline bombing stuff is a dead horse.

We've discussed it numerous times. There is a deadline for a reason and our rule has always been you cannot post two promos with a certain period of time. If you don't like that, you're roleplaying in the wrong place.

Secondly, not everybody writes the same way. I don't read an opponents roleplay until I've finished mine. My goal is to come up with something fresh - not to simply be a rehash of what somebody else wrote about me. You could post 18 roleplays at the deadline and I'm not going to read any of them until I've finished. Again, if it's not something you can handle, there are literally 7,000 e-feds on the planet that might fit your needs a little better.

I do understand people have lives outside of this place (Lord knows I am usually busy every damn day). Still, like Sentinel stressed a few weeks back, we OWE it to this place to budget our time better. The better quality work we put in, the better quality of show everyone gets.

While I appreciate the effort - this is a game. There are sometimes real life situations that impede progress in playing this game.

To be honest, your entire bit of feedback became a whine-fest about how people aren't living up to your standards and you were offended because you weren't considered more of a threat by your opponents. Feedback is supposed to be constructive, not a temper tantrum because you didn't like they way you were portrayed. And while we're in honest mode, I think it's because you think more of yourself than others do. There is absolutely nothing believable about the Shadow character... he's a fantasy creation that doesn't exist in the real world.

This isn't the first time you've come off as someone who is entitled, which again, honestly, you haven't earned. There are several in the APW that have earned the right to bitch and moan like you consistently do (Jeff, Biggs, Level-One, Sally, TMarv and Gates are the ones responsible for putting this place on the map...). It's these types of threads that drag this place down. You don't always have to be positive- but at least be constructive. If you don't like the way you were portrayed, fine. However, whining publicly about somebodies work when they didn't ask for it isn't critique, it's being a jerk.

Either way, you can't be told one way or another, so it'll continue on, and you'll be pounding your head on the wall wondering why nobody wants to work with you.

[Shadow]

Oct 29, 2013 11:12:20 GMT -4 Johnny Rebel said:

Either way, you can't be told one way or another, so it'll continue on, and you'll be pounding your head on the wall wondering why nobody wants to work with you.

This was just uncalled for and entierly not true. But I'm not bothered by it, you're entitled to your own opinion.

Why whine about something thats in the past? It's wasted breath. Although, I do think it sucks the feedback forum was shut down due to inactivity. I wish we had people here who would be willing offer their two cents about people's work. Its feedback you either take it or you don't i'm not losing sleep over it, you learn to work with it.

Yes I understand the only issue ive every had with APW was deadline bombing, but once again you work with it. Doesn't mean suggestions for improvement cant be offered. One of the worst attitudes to have in any type of work is complacency: thinking you don't need improvement.

J-Reb, Im all about the game here brother, and the game looks better (IMO) if the stories are the best quality. Will every show be 5 stars, probably not. Doesn't mean we cant try. People come to APW because of the consistent quality we produce as a team.

I try to offer constructive criticism, and sometimes yes I'm downright harsh I know my bit towards T-Marv was borderline, but that's my take on how he has spun the story. But please go back and re-read my post. Any mention of disrespect was directed at the characters not the handlers, because its a story involving fictional characters (cue Holden McNeil- "fic-tion-al-char-act-ers"). My interpretations of the handler's work is what led to my feedback with ideas and points I saw they could A) expand/elaborate upon B) tone down or C) drop entirely.

On a personal note I don't feel entiteled to anything. I didn't campaign to be included in the chamber. It just happened because Knoxville up and left (I was slated to be in the war games match). So take what I say with a grain of salt. Any feedback is good feedback.

Please note when I'm talking about handlers (whose characters are the same as the OOC names they're addressed by) I try to make an apparent difference between the two names.

[Lord Raab]

I can tell you dude that Stefan won't be moving to Overdrive because there's a feud going on at the moment between Stefan, Kash and Knuckles and that's going to continue for a long while and honestly I don't think I can RP every week and plus there's far too much history between Jeff and Stefan to work together and in Stefan's case, he'd much rather leave APW than to work and get along with Jeff. He just refuses to be on a show with a GM he doesn't get along with.

Yes he's with The Black Hand and will most likely be booked for Overdrive shows when I come back from my LOA (hence why I did the suspension angle again and to help Niobe and Madison have more reasons to dislike Jeff) but we wanted to have people in the stable to be on both Overdrive and Asylum shows. I will RP for Overdrive if Jeff really has to book Stefan though if Niobe or Madison are on LOA for tag matches but Stefan being a permanent member of Overdrive won't ever happen.

[Shadow]

Oct 29, 2013 12:31:00 GMT -4 Lord Raab said:

I can tell you dude that Stefan won't be moving to Overdrive because there's a feud going on at the moment between Stefan, Kash and Knuckles and that's going to continue for a long while and honestly I don't think I can RP every week and plus there's far too much history between Jeff and Stefan to work together and in Stefan's case, he'd much rather leave APW than to work and get along with Jeff. He just refuses to be on a show with a GM he doesn't get along with.

Yes he's with The Black Hand and will most likely be booked for Overdrive shows when I come back from my LOA (hence why I did the suspension angle again and to help Niobe and Madison have more reasons to dislike Jeff) but we wanted to have people in the stable to be on both Overdrive and Asylum shows. I will RP for Overdrive if Jeff really has to book Stefan though if Niobe or Madison are on LOA for tag matches but Stefan being a permanent member of Overdrive won't ever happen.

Ah okay. The way that segment came across was Stefan’s suspension would end and he might go to Overdrive. I do think the story of having a faction that has cross show members is a very interesting aspect. And having Stefan fight solo on Asylum makes him seem stronger (almost like a defacto leader would) to the Black Hand. But instead of rehashing the suspension storyline, you could pull back from being in matches and send in segments where Stefan is doing video conferences or titantron appearances. Another possibility is give Stefan a proxy. Follow me on this. Stefan gets booked on Asylum while under suspension or in prison. Obviously he can’t participate so he sends in someone else to do his dirty work, maybe it’s a member of the Black Hand
IE: the card shows Stefan v. Reaver. Reaver is in the ring waiting Raab pops up on screen obviously somewhere else because of said suspension/prison, runs his mouth for a moment and then announces his stablemate who will fight in his stead. Matches could be storylined or RPed (Reaver wouldn’t know which stablemate he’d be roleplaying against he’d roleplay as if he was facing you. The other person would be aware though so RPing could be complicated)
Or the proxy could go this way Stefan v. Foul Play and instead of sending one of his stable mates to the wolves Raab has hired local talent to take his place. (matches are storylined)
There are a lot of ways you can run it. I just felt the suspension as punishment again was too soon and didn’t feel as fresh as it could’ve been. These are just suggestions on ways to sell the story I do understand needing time off every now and then.

[Lord Raab]

I admit I do a lot of deadline bombing but it's because proof reading and reading a loud takes me hours to do and it takes me more than a day to complete an RP 3 or 4 days at the latest because I put time into my stuff and studying my opponents too.

[Lord Raab]

I would have done segment for the next Asylum show Shadow but the place I'm going to I get no signal at all whatsoever to even use the internet let alone get on this fed with my phone to browse in general and also I will have no computer access either to do the coding for the segments as it's quite difficult to code on phones. Yep that's another reason why I done the suspension angle as well with that issue. I wish I could but it's impossible to get any signal in this place called Hayling Island. Hell my mum can't even get signal on her phone herself and she lives there. That's how bad the signal is but I might take your idea on board for when I go on LOA in February though.

[Peter Shelley]

Sit back Johnny, the master of the rundown has got this one;

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

First: Im really disappointed Shadow did not eliminate anybody. In elimination matches I always try to push Shadow as someone who cleans house. In fact while other opponents were pulling off some of the more heinous things Shadow did not seem as vicious as he he had on Asylum. You get little bits here and there but he was almost always cut off right after hitting one person with something.

It's an Extreme Elimination Chamber. It's always going to be choppy. Dominant or no, you've got six world class athletes in there in an unpredictable, hardcore environment. You've got to remember that in mainstream feds like this, everyone wants their minute to look good and in a match of this calibre having one person look strong is pretty lame.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Second: Ive been pushing a religious aspect to Shadow's roleplays for quite a while and it did not make sense for Shadow to remain in the back for that finish. In fact I felt Shadow was downplayed greatly in favor of Jerry Matthews. One a personal note I think I've really pushed myself to contribute segments and put forth quality work only to be undercut by a last minute return by Jerry Matthews. The only sensible way to follow this thing up is to have Shadow take on Jerry and Parker in the very near future because of the religious undertones they share. To pull Sally away from Mannie would cripple their storyline which has been something Ive really enjoyed reading and based on Asylum feedback, so has many others.

I doubt with Aubrey's apparent lack of sleep Shadow being involved in the finish really crossed her mind. She had the idea for her angle and the finish and she went with it. At the end of the day, you weren't part of the final two and not (at leas not yet) factored into whatever story has planned. This would be like complaining about a segment where John Cena gets beaten up in the ring by Kane and Chris Jericho doesn't come out because he's a face too.

I understand it's frustrating when people come back and get big returns but just like in real wrestling, people have to step out sometimes and when they come back they don't automatically slide back to the bottom of the roster. More E-Feds should promote returning loyalty and keeping people of a good standing in a similar position to where they left because if people do step out for whatever reason, they'll be more likely to come back where they're established.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Peter Shelley has been stealing the show as of late.

Fanks. :3

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

To touch on this, I think the bra and panties match seemed like something you would read in the non erotic section of Literotica. Kind of funny IMO. Ive never read a match like this and I it came together (of came off if you know what i mean) really well

Fanks. :3

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

While I was very pleased and excited to be in this match i have to say I am kind of disappointed at the turnout with everyone involved (including myself). I do not think its right to post two roleplays within twenty four hours, especially if its practically a deadline bomb (while many of you may be aware I extremely dislike deadline bombing, I see it as cheap).

There are deadlines and word counts for a reason. If you give it your all week in and week out, you'll never have reason to worry.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Although Sally, Evan and I all squeezed in two roleplays all three of us were guilty of posting two within twenty four hours and that wasn't fair to our opponents or ourselves.

Does this mean Young Mannie should've won? I got DQ'd last year because I did both my RP's within the 24 hours. That's BS otherwise.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

I honestly feel that if a match has a 2 RP limit, the show should have a deadline for the first roleplay and a final deadline for the second. If you mist the first deadline... well you only get one roleplay. I have a few reasons for this the primary being that it can help improve the quality of our roleplays.

How?

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

When you take two people and put them in a match against one another you're creating a story between them. This story is influenced by a number of factors: Each Megastar's recent dealing in APW, any storylines a Megastar may be involved in, the match writer's take on the two characters and most importantly the story the involved parties will share for the time are "in the ring." I understand some people don't read their opponents roleplays prior to posting and thats fine thats your prerogative but if a match has a two roleplay limit (speaking for myself) I do read my opponent's first roleplay and look for what kind of angles they feed me.

There's nothing quite as hacky in promo cutting as a point for point counter point response promo and I hate it. On any given week, if you pay attention to results you should be able to cut enough meat off the bone for a good independent promo or two. As long as you follow the tried and true wrestling formula of "Last Week, This Week, Next Week" you should be able to slam people without having to rely on other peoples material.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

I honestly dont give a rats ass if people don't like the "Supernatual" aspect/characters I include in my roleplays if you arnt a fan of the show, well you just don't know good television lol.

House of Cards, Breaking Bad, The Newsroom, Mad Men, The Wire, The Sopranos, Orange Is The New Black. Supernatural stinks.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

I felt bringing back Callahan was a stretch because he left APW a face and suddenly he was there helping AJP?

Face and Heel isn't quite the polarising black and white you'd think it is. Just because you've had a change of heart on your moral outlook doesn't mean you suddenly change who you're aligned with. Callahan and Aubrey were lovers friends long before the face turn and his retirement. He may have turned a new leaf but it doesn't mean he's not friends with Aubrey anymore.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Also the idea that he was helping to get back at Sally seemed to draw away from the Talford/Mannie storyline that was already full boar.

You're misreading something here or Evan miswrote it. The emphasis is on Callahan being torn because Sally saved his life. While Aubrey wants to smash Sally's head in, the whole thing makes Callahan uncomfortable because he deeply cares about Sally.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

If Callahan had come back at the PPV (which i thought might happen and glad it didnt) I think it wouldn't have been fair to them.

Why not? A Callahan return isn't in the works but I don't see how it would affect those two.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Also the bookend portion of the RPs, discussing AJP's signing seemed out of place. That was back when AJP was a face, now she is a heel.

It's a callback to emphasise the character arc and a reminder of how Aubrey has completely betrayed herself in the culmination of her objectives. We've seen her come in with a head full of hopes and dreams and now she's sacrificed it out of desperation. It made total sense.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

On another note what happened to the "Jesus" angle you were pushing? I saw that drop off and actually was disappointed it was left out. It creates great heat and feeds you opponents a lot. I didn't mention it in my RPs because I didn't know if there was a particular reason it was excluded from yours.

Don't quote me on this but I suspect the Jerry Matthews return is to reenergize that storyline.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Sally: Again thank you for feeding me something to work with. We'd never officially worked one another (the triple threat was storylined). But I was very disappointed in how Sally, a major face completely no sold Shadow. It's why I had Shadow no sell you. Ive said it before, I expect new people and rookies to say they know nothing about their opponent but both Sally and Shadow have been here for a long while. I thought it was uncharacteristic of her as a face and, from handler to handler, thought it was a little disrespectful.

I always flip flop on this stance of selling but I think I've finally found the answer. For the kind of face character Sally has, it makes sense for her to try and sell her opponents and talk them up so she can work the underdog angle. That said, Shadow is a guy who has been around for a long time but truthfully is only really emerging now while Sally has been a main event player forever. Yet even in feuds where the two enemies are seen as total equals (John Cena/The Rock for example), they'll still talk shit about each other because that's what wrestling is about. You're trying to sell the match and why you're going to win and sometimes that involves ripping on people. The only time no-selling someone or goofing on them might affect you is if they've beaten you before. In the Scott Wilson/Peter Shelley angle for example, if Scott was to cut a promo basically burying me and saying that Shelley's a hack, he shouldn't be here and that he's not a good wrestler, it wouldn't make sense because Shelley has already beaten him three times in a row so if Shelley is a hack, what does that make Wilson?

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Mannie: First i want to stress dude, you got to budget your time better. 7 hours after deadline? To me thats damn near a no show.

You yourself have just admitted to rushing and deadline bombing. I get that people get busy but if Chris Hart can juggle chemotherapy, work, a college degree and volleyball and Warren Peace can get nailed by a mac truck and write an RP from the hospital, people can squeeze the time to slam people. People in glass E-Feds shouldn't throw stones.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

As a heel, your no sell of Shadow was warranted, but was a little much IMO. Shadow and Mannie have crossed path numerous times in the past and Mannie seemed to disregard all of that. If you want to go that route I think you should elaborate on how you've changed and how this time will be different. Dont just say your opponent is a hack (paraphrasing). Give examples, there was enough history between Mannie and Shadow that we could have each written a whole roleplay strictly focused on one another.

I think you're focusing too much on selling. Heels should talk shit about their opponents because they're heels. Not referencing history with another character is bad but it has to be done the right way. Again, back to the Scott Wilson/Peter Shelley mini feud, I've beaten him three times but if he was to come back and say "Every encounter we've had, I've knocked your skull in from bell to bell and had you running like a scared little dog" then he can still look strong even though he's lost every match he's had with him.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Blade: I don't know why you couldn't post but I'll be honest after our PMs on the last Asylum, where you didn't really want Blade involved with the belt stealing, and you didn't want him on the show I actually expected a no show. There was no contribution from you in this match from start to finish and I'm sorry to say this man but that's disrespectful to the people who put you in this match. All I have to say.

Well it's not really in Blade's character to petty it up. He's a strong, silent killer who comes out and mows people down as a monster threat type so him only coming in at the end to tactically strike and look awesome worked for him.

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Terry: Like Sally, I was really looking forward to seeing the dynamic Terry and I would have with our writing. Two major faces (one a former heel) going at it, seemed like instant TNT. I was sorely disappointed in Terry no showing. Maybe you didn't have time to RP because of outside factors and thats fine and I understand that. What bothered me what this bullshit storyline thrown in about Terry being ran down. What the hell was that? I am aware that APW functions in an efed universe with multiple federations but to me, seeing that post said one thing: "I didn't have time to roleplay because I was busy roleplaying for Sin City Wrestling." And to me that's crap. If you're in multiple feds that you're prerogative but don't let it affect your performance especially in a PPV Main Event. Now I may be reading to much into that. Truth is I don't know if this whole Steve Austin style run down was planned from the start. And if so that's even worse, because as far as I know, no one else was in on it. The match already had two surprise participants (Blade and Shadow) now Terry Marvin pulls out and puts in Jerry Matthews. Matthews was a great character but I don't feel the character was deserving of replacing Marvin in the chamber. everyone else in this match had been in APW at least a year. Jerry Matthews was here for a little while on Meltdown, came to Asylum and left. Then he comes back as a surprise entrant? Then again I don't think Marvin should have been removed from the chamber. To me It seemed like a cop out because he no showed. Last year Kurt Noble no showed ONiH and guess, what his character was still involved. This year Blade did the same. The characters took their ass kickings and moved on. This whole SCW thing seemed like Terry Marvin ducking out so his character didnt get stomped. If you wanted to do the hit and run you should have waited until after ONiH because since we all were aware you were about to pull the character out of APW, at least for the time being it would have made sense for Terry Marvin to show up, lose the chamber and then get struck on the way out. Storywise it leaves APW with no closure for the character.
IMO OOC wise- I feel like you not only wasted my time researching your character and writing about him but Mannie's, Sally's and Evan's too. Right now I have more respect for Blade's character than I do Terry Marvin's. This feeling is compounded by my perception of Terry Marvin's spin on losing the championship. It was the way you shrugged him off losing the belt, that the character was tired of being champ and was happy to be free of the burden of being a champion for over a year. That really made AJP's stunning victory look like shit. I think it was a terrible way to sell AJP's win and did not make her look like a champion.

All I have to say about this is cutting a promo on Terry Marvin's "Oh I don't care attitude" would be a great way to handle it if you were to face him again because it's completely dumb. He could've vacated the title at any time. He did a seriously ludicrous amount of bad things to people to keep that belt around his waist. To play it off as "Oh I didn't care anyway" just makes him look silly. Everything else though is fair.

[Shadow]

First and foremost- lol.

Second, I promise to answer your questions later this evening when I get off from work.  I'm glad you broke down the feedback and sought explanations.  Im always happy to explain any feedback I offer.   

I wish i knew how to code like you man lol.  I spent the past five minutes trying to do what you did so I could start my answers

[Peter Shelley]

I just copy pasta'd the first quote code from your post and put [/quoote] at the end of every chunk of dialogue I was analysing.

[The Main Attraction]

Oct 29, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Mannie: First i want to stress dude, you got to budget your time better. 7 hours after deadline? To me thats damn near a no show.

You yourself have just admitted to rushing and deadline bombing. I get that people get busy but if Chris Hart can juggle chemotherapy, work, a college degree and volleyball and Warren Peace can get nailed by a mac truck and write an RP from the hospital, people can squeeze the time to slam people. People in glass E-Feds shouldn't throw stones.

I'm not sure Peter is agreeing with Shadow, but I will make this brief so that the thread gets back on point. I had (Having) PC Issues, which was told to Jeff in a PM before I had posted it publicly. So as long I have a valid excuse, then what does me missing the deadline matter? I posted as soon I was able too; so as far as I'm concerned, I don't have to explain nothing to nobody but the staff.

The double posting stuff is true, if that was the case then I should've won. However though I didn't; so I fine with that. I have no need to bitch & moan about it, so let's leave it at that. 

Once again I have no malice towards anyone but facts is facts...

[C.J. Gates]

I like how Shadow created a feedback thread just to tell his opponents they sucked and should have all lost to him because he's a beast of a character with religious undertones that didn't get picked up by writers. I think the only people he praised were Sally and Evan, and Shelley I guess.

As a note, Shadow, shit happens. How many people were posting complaints last year at ONIH when the Undisputed title chamber match ended up having a no show and the majority of the RPs being posted in the last 48 hours of time? Okay, maybe me, but other than that, there weren't many.

Sometimes it's best to let things settle before you post feedback. What you posted seemed more like a rant about how nothing went your way/the way you wanted it to. Take a few breaths next time before posting.

[SalTal]

Saving this space for feedback (that will likely break my "third strike and you're out" condition).

The spoiler alert is this: I refuse to be lectured to be a fedding prima donna.

Oh, by the way: Great job with the match, Envi. It was a really well written match.

[Jason Cashe]

Well before the Prima Donna jumps in on this (Haha joking Ms. Sally)

I have a complaint too! Mine is SRRIOUS! Kash owned folks in the War Games and Reaver turns on him? HORSE SHIT!! Just because your character is big and "bad" doesn't mean he will receive the Goldberg experience or the Lesnar experience either. Being IN THE DANCE of the Top Title picture alone...That's like complaining for having too much pudding. Kash got his teeth, his NEWER Falsies kicked out by another female. It's like they WANT me to have that sexy smile! Okay...now Ms. Sally can step in and Clean House as a BAWSE Lady Should.

Oh and I wrote Rebel and Lester, I really hope I didn't do a shabby job. I was kind of freestyling the spots and writing as I went with it. I've tried to plan matches and spots before and really didn't here so I hope for what it was, it served it's purpose.

[Evan De Parker]

For the record, it's incredibly small but incredibly vital, but I typoed at the end of the main event... something about "Sally fanning away fake tears" when it was indeed supposed to be "Aubrey fanning away fake tears." It's been bugging me since last night. I had to say something.

*Sigh*

I'm glad I got that out.

Hi, everybody.

Anyway. I am currently working on finishing the Japanese Deathmatch... I will leave feedback this evening.

[Jason Cashe]

In fact I felt Shadow was downplayed greatly in favor of Jerry Matthews. One a personal note I think I've really pushed myself to contribute segments and put forth quality work only to be undercut by a last minute return by Jerry Matthews.

Not that Matthews wasn't cool but he got a huge spotlight here. Why'd he leave the first time? I thought he was overused here. If he was to return at the finish then why have him as a replacement for TMarv? He has done ZERO on the APW roster and was kind of ehh on his replacing TMarv. Mr. Dangerous makes more sense for a replacement than someone who was here and then wasn't almost in less than a month.

Now if he had just been the replacement then it would have worked as well. Being the replacement AND returning for the finish took something away in this match and the ending that did occur. Nothing against Matthews, I don't know the person but I just think it didn't much fit.

[Peter Shelley]

Oh and I'm fully aware that in my response to Shadow, I referred to OOC Aubrey as she and her even though we all know it's Evan Envi.

Why?

Because she's still fucking real to me dammit.

[Shadow]

Oct 29, 2013 19:15:12 GMT -4 Jason Cashe said:

In fact I felt Shadow was downplayed greatly in favor of Jerry Matthews. One a personal note I think I've really pushed myself to contribute segments and put forth quality work only to be undercut by a last minute return by Jerry Matthews.

Not that Matthews wasn't cool but he got a huge spotlight here. Why'd he leave the first time? I thought he was overused here. If he was to return at the finish then why have him as a replacement for TMarv? He has done ZERO on the APW roster and was kind of ehh on his replacing TMarv. Mr. Dangerous makes more sense for a replacement than someone who was here and then wasn't almost in less than a month.

Now if he had just been the replacement then it would have worked as well. Being the replacement AND returning for the finish took something away in this match and the ending that did occur. Nothing against Matthews, I don't know the person but I just think it didn't much fit.

[gzavadak]

For the record, I had no idea that I would be placed into the Extreme Elimination Chamber as a replacement for Terry Marvin. I greatly apologize if anyone, especially Shadow, felt slighted. It wasn't any intention of mine.

[Shadow]

I had a LONG response quoting people that just got deleted... Im a little steamed so please give me five minutes to retype. However I apologize because I will not be taking the time to quote everyone in it. I had quoted Gates, Kash and Shelley.

[Evan De Parker]

I'll explain the Matthews things in my feedback.

Tag Title match is about wrapped up. Expect it in your inbox in 10, Jeff.

[Shadow]

And it apparently posted the first portion of that feedback...

Okay to Gates sir, I never implied anyone sucked. I never implied Shadow should have won. I had stated the elimination order was correct. I didn't expect Shadow to win this match because to me, he was as much a gimmick in this as Blade was because he was a last minute replacement. The fact he didn't get a single elimination did bother me because it felt like he was downplayed

To Shelley: Sorry I wont be quoting you so let me just start with the basics.
I didn't think the match was choppy I thought it flowed well. I just felt Shadow had been downplayed (sorry for repeating myself) from his appearances an uber beast in the past few months.

I feel Kash covered my reasons for Matthew's return and "spotlight stealing" seeming a little out of nowhere. In addition I'd thought that's why Blade was supposed to be in this match.

When I say it wasn't fair to our opponents or ourselves I mean creative wise. As a writer I don't point-counter-point but I do derive a little of my take on the roleplay based upon how my opponent perceives me in their first RP. It is hack-ish to just rebuff everything your opponent says, but a little back and forth IMO adds a positive dynamic to roleplays. Its why I like working with tag partners, so there is a cohesiveness to the rps. Opponents should be the same way. In the real wrestling world- wrestlers most of the time get along backstage (OMG did he just say that?) so, to me, working together in anyway shape or form creates a better story.

Instituting a 1st RP deadline would help by what your next quote said because the back and forth aspect could be there. Also I think it would help solve the deadline bombing issue. Soemtimes the last week, this week, next week formula is hampered when two people who have never worked together directly are thrown into a match. Like I said toward Mannie, there was enough history between the two we could have enough substance to really push the story. As an example for Sally Talford, Terry Marvin and Blade, these are characters Shadow has never really squared off with directly so that's why I brought it up.

Mentioning Callahan, I did not know that there was a history between the two. It makes more sense now, thank you for clearing that up. And with that in mind I may have misinterpreted the Callahan, Sally, Parker angle. But I do feel had he showed up in the match it would have hindered the storylines already running (Mannie/Talford, Shadow/Parker, Parker/Marvin-had he been there)

I agree bringing in Matthews would reenergize that whole Jesus aspect and would be a good way to do it.

On the note of Talford's "no sell" I want to first state, any perceptions I have from Shadow come not from me but how the character is mentioned in Feedback and the past three months the character has received a great deal of positive feedback. Theres a big difference between talking trash and no selling. (Based on feedback reviews) Shadow had made huge waves during his transition from Overdrive to Asylum. Having Sally snore at the thought of Shadow being involved in a main event (to me) seemed like she hadn't paid any attention to the history of APW which any returning megastar (in real life) would do. It seemed highly uncharacteristic as you stated she's a main eventer, she wouldn't just leave and not pay any attention, she'd be at home watching. But that was my take on the RP.

I agree Mannie can and does look strong. That's why I suggested elaborating on how he had changed in the past year. I didn't know he had internet issues and apologize for the comment about the tardiness of his RP. Regardless I was glad he got something up.

Any that's a summary of what I had written before based on memory. I didn't intend for this Feedback thread to be an attack on anyone. I harbor no animosity toward anybody because as we all know its a game. I am just offering my opinion on how I perceive things and where I see room for improvement. I do this in hopes that it will inspire others to do the same. I am very disheartened at how skeletal the feedback crew has become. This place thrives on feedback. Everyone could stand a little improvement including me. So please again, take what I have with a grain of salt. And if you are able to please provide feedback.

<3 to all.

[Nathaniel Havok]

I can't hate on Shadow, he gave me a compliment. And when it comes to compliments, I'm a little high school girl.

Nevertheless, you all know I'm not one for tons of feedback. However, I have to tell Peter Shelly that I am absolutely impressed with not only his creativity, but his delivery, as well as his style. You deserve that win, my man! Enjoy beating Havok. Because if we ever cross paths again, hopefully, I'll be more on my game than this go-round.

[Evan De Parker]

Alright… So first things first…

I always love the chance to work with Andrew, so it was a ton of fun being able to write this A.C. Smith/Aubrey J. Parker segment. The characters have history dating back to 2009… Maybe 2008. I can’t remember. So every time they interact, I mark out a little bit.

The Fans Bring the Weapons match was a good opener with a lot of fast-paced action that I wasn’t expecting since all three competitors are supposed to be big dudes. It worked, though. I also liked the brass-knuckles duel in the middle of the match… And lol’d at the amount of mileage that crutch got. (Crutches can be fragile when you start swingin’ em at stuff.) I could nitpick about how it was written in past-tense, but I think Kyla wrote this (?) and if I’m not mistaken, she’s never written a match with us before, so I really appreciate what was produced… Great to see new people stepping up at PPV time. Gives me hope for the future! And of course, Smith with the retention, but it was earned. Good job, sir.

I think I’d be able to better follow Shelley segments if they were spaced out a liiiittle bit more in terms of dialogue. It’s like, exhausting to read three fairly large chunks of test all in a row like that. BUT I marked out for the “slow and steady” reference toward the end. #TeamTurtle tortuga It’s promos like these that really get me excited for the future, too. This is a guy that’s establishing that he’s gonna be sticking around for a while, and he has his sights set on gold. It is literally so simple, but it just doesn’t happen enough in APW. Why?

I was pulling for Herschel in the Table Battle Royal.

But I love how great Sang Réal looked here. If anyone remembers, they came into this fed earlier this year with a LOT of hype, and then it quickly faded to the wayside and they became your basic mid-card heel grunts. This match really showcased them and made Connor Murphy look like a beast at some points (though it always saddens me to see Evan McDonald get buried). BLOWN that Herschel came so close in the end… Then got eliminated second-to-last… In the end, I’m glad Shelley won. Good work thus far.

I thought I missed KJE being rushed to the hospital, but I guess that wasn’t a segment.

Alright. The Bra & Panties match was awesome. I was expecting this to be pure filth, and I initially kinda skipped over it, but it was surprisingly well-written. I MEAN, COME ON, THERE WAS A SPANK SPOT! A SPANK SPOT! I think Robina Hood and Amy Zing have smokin’ PBs, and even Shione has a weeeeeeird cuteness about her, so this match… sigh... Jeff, you should be ashamed of yourself for booking this.

ALRIGHT. But back to this match (which there should be more of-- but only written by PRO MATCH WRITARZ like this) it was just… It just flowed so well! Honestly, I think a 4th woman in there might’ve made it harder to give everyone focus. Solid, classic threesome. Anyway… I’m a little confused as to why Robina ate the fall here. And by her losing, I guess she’s not going to have a nude celebration as promised on Twitter. Sucks. BUT I am a huge AZ fan, so congrats, Amy.

I want Zing to fight Smith again so I can make an “Amy BiPoler” joke.

I’m gonna have to read the War Games match again and leave proper feedback. It WAS written well, and I did read it, but maybe it’s just because I haven’t seen a War Games Match since I was like, 9 years old… I just didn’t completely remember the setup of it or how to follow the action. Granted, it was explained decently, and the hype behind this match was massive… Good read, but it deserves to be investigated more in-depth, so expect a followup about this match later. (The counting in Japanese was a nice touch.)

Nitpick: Why were Harris and West given the same font color?

Nitpick 2: Maybe not really a nitpick… Why the hell did Reaver turn on Kash? Heel heat out the wazoo though.

OMG JAPANESE DEATHMATCH. Thanks Bailey and Kash!

...ANOTHER JAPANESE DEATHMATCH! IT ONLY WORKS BECAUSE WE’RE IN JAPAN! CONGRATS REBEL! But… Seriously… Violent stips and weapons aside, am I the only one who’s pleased that this thing devolved into a friggin slugfest at the end? It became a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie realquicklike. I know L1 will be hungry to have the title back now. I think it’s grown on him! And it looks a lot better than it did, despite the confusion surrounding the match itself leading up to the event.

I’m actually really excited to see Mr. Enigma back in the thick of things. I don’t know if we’ve seen him since the Meltdown Supershow Tap-Out triple threat.

Main event. I refuse to talk about it.

Just kidding.

I’m going to respond to a few things.

1. SHELLEY. You totally get me, bruh. You are spot-on about absolutely everything.

2. SHADOW/KASH. Matthews had to be included in the match because Aubrey J Parker is a chickenshit heel that can’t get the job done on her own. Thus, she pulled strings (or manipulated Jeff/Kash, whichever) and got Matthews into the match. At first, they were forced to fight, but eventually, Matthews’ role became wearing down the other opponents, and for the most part, he was able to do that. He returned at the end of the match to finish the job, because Sally was whoopin’ up on AJP. It had little to do with Matthews being a monster, and everything with AJP being the complete opposite. But Matthews IS a beast! He helped with the direction of AJP’s 2nd RP and wrote his own dialogue for it. I think he earned a fair showing, and he was very involved during his first run here.

Also, please, there’s no need to bash Terry. You don’t know his situation. He’s already on his way out. It’s not like it was a secret. You already said that it was all “IC”, but I’m not going to even touch that… it’s done.

I do think that the Undisputed Title, however, was criminally undersold on Terry’s way out from an in-character perspective, but it’s nothing I can really make a whole rant about. *Shrug* I can get over without Terry Marvin.

Also, I apologize if you feel that Shadow was underutilized in the match, but honestly, what does it matter if he gets an elimination? He kicked Sally’s head off, tazed Blade with a cattleprod, and launched AJP through a glass chamber. What more do you want? I didn’t even think about who was pinning who when writing this. I could’ve had Shadow pin Blade or Mannie, but why? What does it change in the grand scheme of things? I thought Shadow looked damn good in the match, but I may be wearing rose-tinted glasses. I’m sometimes biased toward my own work, so I appreciate my flaws being pointed out. But I can’t agree with, like, anything you said.

Okay.

I have weed to smoke. Be gone with you all.

[Peter Shelley]

Oct 29, 2013 21:58:04 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

I can't hate on Shadow, he gave me a compliment. And when it comes to compliments, I'm a little high school girl.

Nevertheless, you all know I'm not one for tons of feedback. However, I have to tell Peter Shelly that I am absolutely impressed with not only his creativity, but his delivery, as well as his style. You deserve that win, my man! Enjoy beating Havok. Because if we ever cross paths again, hopefully, I'll be more on my game than this go-round.

We will meet again brother man. You beat Callahan in Test for the Best with Dillinger. I beat you with Shelley at One Night In Hell. Two new characters later, we'll have a tie breaker.

Thank you very much. It was a pleasure to compete with you again.

[Shadow]

Okay, as promised My review of the tag match. Also I will be including my feedback on the war games match.
Lets start with the war games match. It was long, I was in the chat room when the page/word count was given. because it was long it warranted a second read Also as it was the main event at the second venue it had to be long (thinking that those people paid for a live show, they saw two matches APW wasn't going to jip them) Even with the number of competitors the writer (Biggs) handled the match very well. No one was overshadowed and it really sold all participants. I also enjoyed the touch of Japanese that appeared throughout this match and the show in general. It helped create the atmosphere that this wasn't just another stateside show. I think it says something to the writers when they incorporate the arena and crowd into the match. Although in Jap-English Holy Shit would sound like Ho-REE Shit lol Storyline wise, putting the Black Hand over was the right thing to do (not discrediting the participants who worked their asses off on their roleplays Im talking about the story) Because you have this huge stable that claim to be a force to be reckoned with. While at the last PPV tBH did not look so hot. So had they lost here I think the only sensible thing woud have been for the stable to A) regroup and refocus themselves or B) break up altogether. Winning this match gives them traction and looked like something you would see at a PPV (Thinking back to classic survivor series matches or even the InVasion where the crowd was pulling for the faces and BOOm heels win) Im not comparing APW to WWE and not at all dissing anyone I think this was the best outcome storyline wise that would allow tBH to remain a threat in APW.

As for the Tag Title match. This match ties with my favorite match of the night. Again a lot of participants and separating them the way Envi did sending some through the crowd and keeping some at ringside was a great and creative way to handle the number of people. Plus the transitions between the two when men were down for the count did not deter or draw any attention away from the match. Including Williams and Harrison was another positive aspect to this match. It had to happen because Williams wasn't just going to sit back and watch TDB get screwed. Another great aspect to this match was the commentary (Like the T shirt ebay comment pretty freaking funny). This storyline hit its climax (whatup) tonight and major props to the Unforgiven. I liked having TDB as tag champs but its refreshing to have new champions especially heel tag champs. Now you have two face tag teams to contend with and continue pushing the story to the next chapter. Good job Envi for writing it and good job to the competitors for the work they put in.

[Evan De Parker]

*Shelleyhan


EDIT: Credit also goes to Bailey for writing the first half of the Tag Team Title match. Kash also deserves credit. He sent us like 12 spots to use and unfortunately we only got to use like 4 or 5 of them, but both of these men deserve the tip of the hat as well.

[gzavadak]

Just wanted to leave one note on the main event and the topic of my return here to APW.

Admittedly, my first run in APW ended in a way I'm not personally happy with. I did make about three appearances on the Overdrive brand, but the weekly roleplay schedule really started to wear me down towards the end. As a result, I ended up no-showing 3 of my final 5 matches.

I wanted to return here because, personally, I don't think I did APW right in how my stay here ended. Overall, this is easily one of the more active communities I've ever experienced since my return to the game, and the competition here is second to none. I wanted to come back and set things right, so that Jerry could make a real contribution to APW's lore.

So, once again, I'm very grateful to be back in the fold and I look forward to working with a lot of you guys moving forward.

-George, aka Jerry Matthews

[C.J. Gates]

Oct 29, 2013 20:29:20 GMT -4 Shadow said:

Okay to Gates sir, I never implied anyone sucked. I never implied Shadow should have won. I had stated the elimination order was correct. I didn't expect Shadow to win this match because to me, he was as much a gimmick in this as Blade was because he was a last minute replacement. The fact he didn't get a single elimination did bother me because it felt like he was downplayed

Fair.

I guess I got it from the fact that you told most of your opponents HOW to write their RPs and the ones that no showed, you called them out for wasting your time. Again, to each their own, I just saw that you threw a lot of negativity on your opponents, more so then praise. The only praise you did give, I think you gave to Evan. Even Sally got a bit, before you told her she should focus more on Shadow then she did. I mean, I didn't read many Asylum's this cycle, or last, but I can see some people not worrying about Shadow because his recent time in APW has been a bit up and down. Especially someone like Sally who has seen Shadow around and has seen that he hasn't exactly done anything title wise (which would grab headlines)...But maybe I'm just over thinking that.

Onto the show at hand...

Xtreme Title Match - I enjoyed it. It was a nice mix and written well. I can't fault the past tense since this was picked up by someone new and with our small writing staff, it helped a lot that someone wrote it at all. I'll admit, I was surprised to see Smith lose, because I feel like he has what it takes to move to the next bracket, so to speak, and this was a great opportunity for Smith to lose the title without losing credibility. But I also can't hate on it because Smith has been so dominant as a champion.

Tables Gauntlet - It was good. I figured it would come down to Havok and Shelley, and it didn't disappoint. I like how it wasn't too overbearing, trying to give everyone equal time or trying to draw it out. It was a nice length for a match and hopefully a lot of the people in it use this to move forward with their characters.

North American Title - I won't lie, I was unsure about the stipulation of this. I mean, I get it, but for a show like One Night in Hell, I assumed I'd see something with more violence, I guess? Still, this was a good match and congrats to Zing for winning - it's not easy against that competition.

War Games - I enjoyed it. It was fun to build the story with these guys, both my opponents and my team. I think it didn't hit me until half way through the build that we were going to end up with the old versus new, with four long time APW vets teaming up. Made it a bit more interesting and exciting. Congrats to the Black Hand on the win, now go out and keep up the good work. Also, for some reason, I expected Reaver to turn on Kash. Before the match even started, I mean. I just had a feeling. I do like how the ending didn't make anyone look bad in the end. I mean, Kash was the one to give up, but it took two submissions and a Donkey Punch to the back of the head.

Tag Team Title Match - I haven't read it - I just skimmed to the end. Big congrats to the new champs. The Dying Breed have been dominant as champions, so unseating them is never easy, and the Unforgiven have been huge as a team. I hope this isn't going to be another case of the tag division taking a hit after the champions lose. I mean, I know that Hopkins and Bailey are capable of doing their own thing, but it would suck to lose them as a team and take us down to 3, maybe 4 teams.

World Heavyweight Title - Man, I'll be honest, it sucks that Level One had to no show. I know there's probably a reason, but it still sucks because I was excited for this match. Still, congrats to Rebel on the win, I'm intrigued to see what you will do as champion.

Elimination Chamber - Maybe it's because I haven't read Asylum all that much, but was the Matthews thing out of the blue? I mean, I know the explanation Evan gave which fits, but was the AJP/Matthews stuff built up before ONIH? If not then it didn't really make sense and the spot could have gone to anyone, really, that would have AJP's back.

Still, it was a well written chamber, and if there's one thing I learned, whether or not you are written to eliminate someone doesn't truly matter. At least to me. Anyways, nice job on the match.

Overall, I think it was a good show. Lots of carnage and a few new champions so it will be fun to see how things go from here. Well done to everyone, and props to the writers.

[Peter Shelley]

Oct 29, 2013 22:09:18 GMT -4 Evan De Parker said:

Alright. The Bra & Panties match was awesome. I was expecting this to be pure filth, and I initially kinda skipped over it, but it was surprisingly well-written. I MEAN, COME ON, THERE WAS A SPANK SPOT! A SPANK SPOT! I think Robina Hood and Amy Zing have smokin’ PBs, and even Shione has a weeeeeeird cuteness about her, so this match… sigh... Jeff, you should be ashamed of yourself for booking this.

ALRIGHT. But back to this match (which there should be more of-- but only written by PRO MATCH WRITARZ like this) it was just… It just flowed so well! Honestly, I think a 4th woman in there might’ve made it harder to give everyone focus. Solid, classic threesome. Anyway… I’m a little confused as to why Robina ate the fall here. And by her losing, I guess she’s not going to have a nude celebration as promised on Twitter. Sucks. BUT I am a huge AZ fan, so congrats, Amy.

I want Zing to fight Smith again so I can make an “Amy BiPoler” joke.

This is my personal take on the subject and some people might disagree but try and hear me out here.

In a singles contest whether the loser shows or not, they eat the pin. In a triple threat someone has to eat the pin. In both matches someone still worked hard for a victory and the fact that someone no-showed shouldn't be used as an excuse to "protect" the people that didn't win. That's why Amy got the clean win over her heel rival. She can sell that in upcoming promos to build some heat and establish her credibility.

If Robina wants to turn this around in her future promos she should make no reference to the fact she got pinned. Instead simply focus on the fact that for the entire match she was the one destroying people and that's not going to change until she gets what she wants, the North American title. Despite eating the pin, I'd say it was a difficult case to argue that Robina wasn't the strongest looking competitor in the bout. Amy still gets the win, but Robina looks great so those who participated were rewarded. What they make of that reward down the line is what truly counts.