50 Cent

[Streets Wilson]

Am I the only one that thinks it hilarious beyond comprehension that 50 Cent was in Jesse Nunez's RP? I don't know about around the world, but in the greater New York area he's considered somewhat of a poser and a joke what with being chased out by pretty much every respectable "real" rapper in the area... just thought I'd throw that out there cause I personally find his music and whole persona to be quite unappealing. Thoughts?

[Streets Wilson]

I mean I thought about putting celebrities in my RP to that extent before, but I always thought it would make me look kind of desperate for attention or something.

[biggs]

It depends how they're used. If they're just there as like a musical guest, or something, no problem, but if you have it be like your character is friends with the celebrity, that's just fanciful wish fulfillment.

[Slade "The Main Man" Craven]

Well when it comes to celeberties we have to take them in stride. Like I use Conan O Brien and Christopher Titus every now and then but well I've used Conan since 2002 (I appear on his show once to twice a year "In Character" and hope to one day be a guest on his show for real) and I am aquainted with Titus so when I use ither of them I plug whatever they have going on at the time. (Shows, CDs etc) I also use Real Texas Legends if I know them to plug their real shows (Because hey Texas is the heart of wrestling) So you have to use them in a moderator not over the top way and be as realistic to their ways as possible.

[biggs]

I completely agree with AKA. Heck, I used The Killers in my debut, but only to play Biggs to the ring.

[BDC]

So are you saying that Jesse is seeking attention through his rp, or that you are wondering if using celebrities in rps is cool?

[Level-Two]

It's lame, either way you cut it. Interviews are played out, especially IN a roleplay, and that's the only purpose they really have. Using and or mentioning real wrestling characters is a HORRIBLE idea, and pretty much breaks kayfabe.

Me and Conor used Larry King, but that was an outside segement to purposely add the realism to the feud. I think that's a whole different story. Other than that, I haven't used any real people.

Half of the time, real celebs are used for filler, an excuse to introduce a character for a single roleplay, and forget about them in the next.

[Streets Wilson]

Jun 22, 2009 18:55:01 GMT -4 BDC said:

So are you saying that Jesse is seeking attention through his rp, or that you are wondering if using celebrities in rps is cool?

... I suppose a little of both. In my opinion I found it to be a negative.

[Streets Wilson]

no offense of course...

[BDC]

I think people should be able to mention whoever they want.

I wrote an rp years ago where my opponents were on the Jerry Springer show. It was for a laugh, nothing more.

I also mention the WWE and it's wrestlers in my rps just to put accross the fact that whatever efed I'm in "exists" and is on TV etc etc.

Personaly, as long as someone rps, they can write about what the hell they want.

[President Jeff]

Jun 23, 2009 7:26:20 GMT -4 BDC said:

I think people should be able to mention whoever they want.

I wrote an rp years ago where my opponents were on the Jerry Springer show. It was for a laugh, nothing more.

I also mention the WWE and it's wrestlers in my rps just to put accross the fact that whatever efed I'm in "exists" and is on TV etc etc.

Personaly, as long as someone rps, they can write about what the hell they want.

I agree. If we go down the route that in the land of efedding that Hulk Hogan isn't real or HBK or Cena and we're not suppose to mention their names or acknoledge them, then you can argue that you can't use the names of real towns and cities for your wrestlers home town or for a feds touring venue. And then you can argue the same for your characters theme songs.

At the end of the day, efedding is suppose to be fun. If writing a RP where a celebrity or a real wrestler makes an appearance makes that person have fun writing, then more power to them.

[Death Wish]

I think talks shows or Springer is cool. I love when celebs come in only to get their ass kicked in a RP. My favorite part is the fact that Streets called 50 cent a poser...what does that say about Jesse rolling hard with the poser...thuganomics is fake....oh no...my hero the Prodigy is a poser....NOOOOO!!!

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Jun 23, 2009 11:55:23 GMT -4 Death Wish said:

I think talks shows or Springer is cool. I love when celebs come in only to get their ass kicked in a RP. My favorite part is the fact that Streets called 50 cent a poser...what does that say about Jesse rolling hard with the poser...thuganomics is fake....oh no...my hero the Prodigy is a poser....NOOOOO!!!

haha, well obviously Streets failed to see the character development when my character used 50 Cent to promote Jesse Nunez' new cd to come out later. Which 50 Cent as a real rapper makes an appearance on the album and has made appearances on past albums.

Also I don't need the attention from a celeb guest because I got you to read the rp without even mentioning 50 Cent in the title of the rp.

[Level-Two]

I agree. If we go down the route that in the land of efedding that Hulk Hogan isn't real or HBK or Cena and we're not suppose to mention their names or acknoledge them, then you can argue that you can't use the names of real towns and cities for your wrestlers home town or for a feds touring venue. And then you can argue the same for your characters theme songs.

Not really. Towns and cities doesn't break kayfabe. Talking about John Cena or HBK; whom are real wrestlers, in which they win based off SCRIPTS and pre-planning, devalues what we are doing here, directly.

Nevermind why the heck you would involve HBK or John Cena in what is a FANTASY federation, anyhow. Spend time interacting with the federation itself, and the characters within it--rather then defaulting to lame writing habits of involving real characters, that make no sense.

When someone mentions Mick Foley, I reply with ---What the fuck is a Mick Foley? It has nothing to do with our game, directly, thus has no place. IMO.

Of course, everyone can do what they please--but it's still weak writing, that's all.

[President Jeff]

I don't think its weak writing at all. If someone uses a celebrity or another wrestler in their RP and it works, its not stupid and it was a good entertaining read, then calling their RP weak would be a bullshit thing to say.

Theres so many ways to RP. To say "RPing this way is weak" or "RPing that way is wrong" is not cool. Theres no right way to RP, and like I said before, if your having fun writing the way you are, the more power to ya

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Jun 23, 2009 19:15:05 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

I agree. If we go down the route that in the land of efedding that Hulk Hogan isn't real or HBK or Cena and we're not suppose to mention their names or acknoledge them, then you can argue that you can't use the names of real towns and cities for your wrestlers home town or for a feds touring venue. And then you can argue the same for your characters theme songs.

Not really. Towns and cities doesn't break kayfabe. Talking about John Cena or HBK; whom are real wrestlers, in which they win based off SCRIPTS and pre-planning, devalues what we are doing here, directly.

Nevermind why the heck you would involve HBK or John Cena in what is a FANTASY federation, anyhow. Spend time interacting with the federation itself, and the characters within it--rather then defaulting to lame writing habits of involving real characters, that make no sense.

When someone mentions Mick Foley, I reply with ---What the fuck is a Mick Foley? It has nothing to do with our game, directly, thus has no place. IMO.

Of course, everyone can do what they please--but it's still weak writing, that's all.

Its like when TNA mentions WWE and their superstars all the time. You gotta realize there are millions of promotions out there, you just have to imagine that TNA and WWE do exist in our world. If not then you are oblivious to the world of wrestling. I mean how many efed legends do you know that you never competed against? You are gonna think of the great legends that are in the Wrestling hall of fame.

[Level-Two]

Jun 23, 2009 19:35:28 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

I don't think its weak writing at all. If someone uses a celebrity or another wrestler in their RP and it works, its not stupid and it was a good entertaining read, then calling their RP weak would be a bullshit thing to say.

Theres so many ways to RP. To say "RPing this way is weak" or "RPing that way is wrong" is not cool. Theres no right way to RP, and like I said before, if your having fun writing the way you are, the more power to ya

Okay, correction. I have never seen a roleplay where a real wrestler has been included; pulled off right. Baring, unless the entire fed uses real characters, which is a whole differen't story/headache. If you have to bring in real characters; because you can't develop your own or to HELP develope your own, then yes, it's weak writing.

Weak writing is different from a weak roleplay. Think about it. If I start writing in real characters, it may work--but it's a cop out, and I could do much better with-out it.

Solid writers usually don't resort to that stuff. Of course if there's a rare exception, I'd love to see it. I can't imagine it giving anything extra.

Its like when TNA mentions WWE and their superstars all the time. You gotta realize there are millions of promotions out there, you just have to imagine that TNA and WWE do exist in our world. If not then you are oblivious to the world of wrestling. I mean how many efed legends do you know that you never competed against? You are gonna think of the great legends that are in the Wrestling hall of fame.

TNA=WWE= Same melting pot.

Now tell me if WWE is going to mention an efed?

Yupperz.

Not to mention, why do you need to mention real wrestling characters in a trash talk peice? Why not use other characters in your fed to get your point across? Comparing Jesse Nunez to John Cena, is not creative, it's pathetic.

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Jun 23, 2009 19:57:06 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Jun 23, 2009 19:35:28 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

I don't think its weak writing at all. If someone uses a celebrity or another wrestler in their RP and it works, its not stupid and it was a good entertaining read, then calling their RP weak would be a bullshit thing to say.

Theres so many ways to RP. To say "RPing this way is weak" or "RPing that way is wrong" is not cool. Theres no right way to RP, and like I said before, if your having fun writing the way you are, the more power to ya

Okay, correction. I have never seen a roleplay where a real wrestler has been included; pulled off right. Baring, unless the entire fed uses real characters, which is a whole differen't story/headache. If you have to bring in real characters; because you can't develop your own or to HELP develope your own, then yes, it's weak writing.

Solid writers usually don't resort to that stuff. Of course if there's a rare exception, I'd love to see it. I can't imagine it giving anything extra.

Its like when TNA mentions WWE and their superstars all the time. You gotta realize there are millions of promotions out there, you just have to imagine that TNA and WWE do exist in our world. If not then you are oblivious to the world of wrestling. I mean how many efed legends do you know that you never competed against? You are gonna think of the great legends that are in the Wrestling hall of fame.

TNA=WWE= Same melting pot.

Now tell me if WWE is going to mention an efed?

Yupperz.

Not to mention, why do you need to mention real wrestling characters in a trash talk peice? Why not use other characters in your fed to get your point across? Comparing Jesse Nunez to John Cena, is not creative, it's pathetic.

I understand that, but the fact that they are real in the real world and we are not their competition. Though there were talks of WWE looking to close down efeds due to copyrights and shit like that so you can see that WWE knows that efeds such as this one do exist.

And its different, the example you used for me and Cena is an obvious comparison and is pathetic and cheap so that understandable to frown at that. But I don't see no harm in mentioning a real wrestler, like I compared a few efed wrestlers to a ric flair because of his desire to still wrestle but hes too old to do what he does.

Plus i dont see why you can't use both real and fake characters, its their rp and they can do what they like. Its not like you have to mention em' just to stay ahead of the game or anything.

[Level-Two]

I understand that, but the fact that they are real in the real world and we are not their competition. Though there were talks of WWE looking to close down efeds due to copyrights and shit like that so you can see that WWE knows that efeds such as this one do exist.

They know efedding exists; just like I know out of character the WWE exists. The WWE trying to close efeds has nothing to do with anything. Secondly, the WWE isn't our competition either--so why mention them using your own point? There is a reason why this is an ORIGINAL character only fed; why would you then bring in real wrestling characters into your roleplays then? I thought the point of a CAW fed was to be original? By the APW'S own definition, the way your thinking is fact wise, wrong.

And its different, the example you used for me and Cena is an obvious comparison and is pathetic and cheap so that understandable to frown at that. But I don't see no harm in mentioning a real wrestler, like I compared a few efed wrestlers to a ric flair because of his desire to still wrestle but hes too old to do what he does.

Why do you NEED to mention Ric Flair though? I could use BDC as an example, and everyone would understand. Again, it comes down to lack of creativity, I'm sorry. That's my opinion.

Plus i dont see why you can't use both real and fake characters, its their rp and they can do what they like. Its not like you have to mention em' just to stay ahead of the game or anything.

Why don't we have real characters in the APW then? You can do WHATEVER you want, bro. Add any celeb you want, do what you please, seriously. It just isn't appealing to me, I see it as a cop out; pretty simple realy.

[BDC]

I have to disagree with you LO buddy.

For me, my character is a part of the world. The "BIG 1" corporation is huge, and it's merchandise (clothing, toys, it's own burger range etc) is sold everywhere - hence why BDC is a multi millionaire. For me, Level One is also a part of my world, as are all of the other efedders out there, as are everything that happens in real life.

Obama is the President in my world. Transformers 2 is brand new in the cinema in my world, and yes, the WWE, TNA etc exist in my world.

That means that they are fair game to use in a rp. Ric Flair is more of a household name than BDC, and Jesse rps in a few feds, so to get his point accross in a different fed, it's better for him to use Flair. Ok, here he could use BDC (why am I talking about myself in the third person - or is it the second ... fuck knows lol).

Jesse's character is a musician and releases cd's, so the fact he used 50 Cent makes sense. If he made up a rival rapper etc then yes, he could use them, but that would mean more work involved, which equals more time, which some of us don't have.

How many films have you seen that use references from other films? Same with TV. It doesn't shouldn't matter what NPC's are used in an rp, whether real or original, as long as they are used properly.

Personaly, I think Jesse's idea worked in a one off rp, but if he was to use 50 Cent as a regular NPC then I'd start getting bored. It would be much more entertaining to come up with a rival rapper etc, and talk about the feud they have etc etc.

Anyway, we've all got our own opinions, and as long as we don't break the rules then it's all good imo.

As for weak writing etc, this is a game, not an English course. My grammer, spelling and punctuation is terrible, and I haven't got a clue what I'm doing, but my style works for me. Same goes for all of us, we have our own styles and ideas, and that's how it should be.

Dear god, can you imagine if everyone started writing rps the length that I used to write ...

[Level-Two]

I agree with your REAL life situations. For example, the Obama= president reference.

But Obama in a roleplay? Eh. Screams lame, just my opinion. And I'm sticking with it. Though, I'm sure celebs can work to a certain degree. If you are using them to make your character look better though, or associate your character with a certain gimmick; it's weak writing.

Real wrestlers is where my rant lays, forget about the 50 cent shitty fuck ass rapper, discussion. Real wrestlers have no part in roleplays, and I stand by my argument posted a above.

In direct reference to your post though, Chris. Using BDC instead of Flair is MUCH more effective, because it relates to the fed directly. Why the FUCK are you comparing a fake efedder to a real wrestler? It's like some basing their rant off my character's pic base of Homicide, it's low, it's pathetic, and it's not keeping up with my character.

If you need to compare our fantasy characters to real wrestlers; your dumbing down your writing. Period.

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Next time I'll put in Jordan Mixer in my rp cause we all know who that effeder is, so we can better understand our real world of efedding.

[Level-Two]

Jun 23, 2009 21:14:52 GMT -4 Jesse Nuñez™ said:

Next time I'll put in Jordan Mixer in my rp cause we all know who that effeder is, so we can better understand our real world of efedding.

Nice.

I'm still amazed how I seem to trash talk; with-out name dropping real wrestlers week in and week out.

[BDC]

But it's not a case of comparing our creations to anything.

When I join a new fed, I usualy say things like "I've had offers from the WWE and TNA etc, but I chose to join blah blah blah", because like I said, for me these other places exist.

Just because your pic is based on someone, it shouldn't be used against you. I mean, BDC is the same height and weight as Kevin Nash, and I he uses most of the same moves, but he's BDC, not Kevin Nash. In my world, Kevin Nash is on the TNA roster, just like he is in the real world.

In the world of comic books, there are cross-overs all the time, so just think of it as that kind of thing. That's what I do anyway.

I tend to use whatever my opponent uses in their rp, so if they are involved with the mob, I'll have BDC use his money and corrupt contacts to fuck things up for them - as long as the person I'm rping against doesn't mind. If they include werewolves and vamps and shit - hey, bring it on! If they are cool with me playing along with their story then I will. That storyline may only ever be used against that particular person, but I just see it as an alternate timeline thingy and forget about the details.

It's all about fun and trying something different. Look at my Sesame Street rp ffs - how insane was that? It made no sense, but it was different, and apparently people enjoyed it.

Meh, all I say is write what you want to write about, and stay true to yourself

[Level-Two]

Again, you guys are sorta pulling out references and examples that do not apply to what I'm trying to see.

Comic books cross over with other comic book like characters. Batman will never fight George. W. Bush, assuming that George W. Bush does not have a major comic book under his name.

WWE mentions TNA; because they are both real promotions.

Dropping an obama reference, is differen't from having Obama take part in a roleplay.

Lastly, mentioning a real character and or having them take part; devalues what we are doing here.

Oh well. I'm just waiting for the next guy to sign up, having 28 WWE world title reins under his belt. Yay.

EDIT- Your seasme street roleplays is an example of something fresh and unique. It was SATIRE. Imagine, if you did a plain roleplay with the exact same characters, rather then trying to poke fun at it?

[BDC]

Well ... you smell, so

FUCK YOU LEVEL ONE!!!!!

Erm, that was immature and childish, so I'm going away now ...

(Plus, I'm always right, so there's no point in trying to debate anymore lol)

[Level-Two]

lulz.

Hey, it is what it is. It's a good discussion, regardless. The only thing I can leave the rest of you with is this...

''Why is this an ORIGINAL character fed only?''

I think when you answer yourself that, it should put this argument to a rest.

[President Jeff]

because I've yet to see one person RP as a real wrestler and not have that real wrestler sound and look like a douche.

Good to see a good discussion going on though, haven't had one of those here in a very long time

[Slade "The Main Man" Craven]

You know back in the day there were some good people who played off some of the great attitude era wrestlers and they did it well. Too bad all the new wrestlers except the gimmick guys are stale. It makes them hard not to sound like douches. I kinda miss the people who played the Dudleyz, Stacy K, The Rock and STSA. Pity too.

But hell Jeff I play Slade Craven, he's real. Granted i OWN the rights to his character so I can legally use him as my creation lol. Does Slade sound like a douche? *leaves it open for the funny response.*

[biggs]

Depends, is Slade squishy?