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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2012 11:34:27 GMT -4
If I think you're hinting at what you're hinting at, it would (or at least could) explain why my night action got redirected off of you. I'm hopeful that this won't be too much but I targeted you and got Jeff instead on night one. Every time I think about this it comes back to Blade. So how did I know that it was Farquhar that you originally targeted when the same thing happened to me? I guess I must just be awesome at pulling names out of the air.. I mean Night 1 I target JamesV because I know he has no night action and Night 2 I pluck Farquhars name out of the air of a list of what 15? Just so I can try and buddy up with you |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 19, 2012 11:38:08 GMT -4
Just because you targeted Farq and the same thing happened to you doesn't mean you've cleared yourself as suspicion. But like I said, I'm holding off until tonight, since by then hopefully the rest of the players would have come forth and clouded the waters a bit more.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 19, 2012 11:38:27 GMT -4
EWOP
Cleared yourself from suspicion*
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Post by Kris on Apr 19, 2012 11:39:37 GMT -4
Sorry for being so late to the party, gang, but I've been catching up on sleep.
That being said, I third (or is it fourth? I've lost count.) the request for just what this source of information is that Saint has. While the arguments of the previous day didn't completely sell me on Blade's innocence, it did enough to where I want more information before I vote for him again.
As for Noble being a cultist, I'm not entirely sure that is the case. I don't think he's checked in yet, and I'd like to hear what he has to say-- if he learned anything, since he is one of the two people that primarily spearheaded the Blade/Knuckles lynch and he also seemed to have an informational role from what his posts dictated. For another? He's not the only candidate for a desire to mess with Blade to be converted since Saint would also fill that position rather handily.
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Post by Jules on Apr 19, 2012 11:41:49 GMT -4
If I think you're hinting at what you're hinting at, it would (or at least could) explain why my night action got redirected off of you. I'm hopeful that this won't be too much but I targeted you and got Jeff instead on night one. I don't understand myself. Just read the role PM again and it says nothing helpful. What do we have. C.J. says he targeted me night 1 - he successfully targeted Jeff instead. (Can Jeff confirm?) Blade says he targeted me night 2 - he successfully targets Knuckles. (Can Knuckles confirm?) I'm not so sure this is about me or my role. I did consider whether there may be a lightning rod attached me, but wouldn't the actions be redirected to the same person? This is plainly not the case. What's are the alternatives? Bus driver is one, and I have been used as one of the passengers on both nights? How does it work? Bus driver chooses Player A (me) and Player B (Jeff/Knuckles). Whoever targeted me hits Jeff instead on night 1 and Knuckles on night 2, and whatever was intended for Jeff on night 1 gets me, and night 2 whatever is intended for Knuckles hits me. Is this right? Any other possibilities? |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 19, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -4
I think a lightning rod attracts all powers to them. So if you were a lightning rod, you'd be getting everything. A nexus made sense until Sally got a read on you, since a nexus would redirect everything to a random player.
It could be a bus driver, though that would be interesting that the bus driver would use you both nights. I guess, the only way to really verify that would be if someone targeted Jeff on night one or Knuckles on night two, whether or not they got something on you.
Knowing my own role, though, I can at least understand why mine might not have affected you. I can't say the same for Blade's since a roleblock would typically work (I'd assume) if a cop (I'm also assuming) worked.
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 19, 2012 11:58:43 GMT -4
I'm trying to think of how to explain my source without revealing what power I have.
On a related matter, Gates did you check me last night? It'll explain something else I've received last night.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 19, 2012 12:06:17 GMT -4
It's possible that if there was indeed a bus driver that they continued the Blade/Knuckles combination to contain a third party if Blade is indeed the recruiter?
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 19, 2012 12:06:41 GMT -4
It's possible that if there was indeed a bus driver that they continued the Blade/Knuckles combination to contain a third party if Blade is indeed the recruiter? And man, I sure do love the word indeed! |
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Post by Jules on Apr 19, 2012 12:12:16 GMT -4
It's possible that if there was indeed a bus driver that they continued the Blade/Knuckles combination to contain a third party if Blade is indeed the recruiter? Are you hinting at something there J-Reb? |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 19, 2012 12:20:51 GMT -4
It's possible that if there was indeed a bus driver that they continued the Blade/Knuckles combination to contain a third party if Blade is indeed the recruiter? Are you hinting at something there J-Reb? I was just throwing it out there as a potential option. It made sense in my mind! With the speed of the Gub lynch, there wasn't enough time to revisit Blade/Knuckles and the potential damage the two could have had running free during the night phase. If there was a bus driver and they had the potential to limit the recruiter's influence to someone they were already believed to be linked to -- it seems like a no-brainer. |
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2012 12:21:19 GMT -4
It's possible that if there was indeed a bus driver that they continued the Blade/Knuckles combination to contain a third party if Blade is indeed the recruiter? If that were true, the person who is a BD misunderstands the role. It would swap people like A to B B to A So If C targeted A they would get a result on B That still doesn't explain how Noble saw you get bitten on night one. If I understand it right, the nexus just misdirects any actions used on him. Unless there is a Nexus...a bus driver.... and my role....and those three roles int he same game just seems WEIRD as fuck! I think its possible that Marvin could have some answers |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Apr 19, 2012 12:30:07 GMT -4
Well, that puts a hole in my theory. Back to the drawing board.  |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Apr 19, 2012 12:45:01 GMT -4
FYI, I'll be gone all afternoon and evening due to work. One last post before I go, though... I answered your question already Smithy. I am tired after yesterdays events. Keaton has come out with the same attitude and this magical "source" Noble will more and likely come out to the tune of the same bell (even though he has been recruited now) So Blade, you're now essentially "taking one for the team" here? If it's the truth, it's honorable but foolish. Why take one for the team when, if you DO take one for the team, you won't be PART of the team anymore? Weird catch-22, no? I might feel a bit better about the whole 'tired after yesterday's events' thing if it wasn't day three. Later on, perhaps, but I think this reeks of trying to spin getting lynched into going out on your own terms. |
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2012 12:50:18 GMT -4
Maybe you are over thinking things.
Yesterday Revolved around me.
Today looks like it will head that way as well.
So if we take me out of the equation, you will actually get some good leads on all these people with so called "Info" because I am the same as yesterday, My blood runs green. I would have flipped town yesterday, I will still flip town today.
And Games usually go
Survivng Winners
Dead Winners
Losing Team
So for your theory, I would actually still be apart of the winning team, and if lynching me does open up new doors and allows you to actually nail the cult then so be it.
However, I still stand by the point that Alisha is Kurt and was turned last night
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 12:57:48 GMT -4
It's possible that if there was indeed a bus driver that they continued the Blade/Knuckles combination to contain a third party if Blade is indeed the recruiter? If that were true, the person who is a BD misunderstands the role. It would swap people like A to B B to A So If C targeted A they would get a result on B That still doesn't explain how Noble saw you get bitten on night one. If I understand it right, the nexus just misdirects any actions used on him. Unless there is a Nexus...a bus driver.... and my role....and those three roles int he same game just seems WEIRD as fuck! I think its possible that Marvin could have some answers I don't really have "answers" per-say, but I do have a couple of points to make... I'll work on doing them in my next post as it's going to require some quoting and re-reading. |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 13:03:21 GMT -4
Also, Farq, if you've FOS me for targeting you, does that mean Blade and Sally have one too, or just me? Sally, no, her visit seems to be accounted for. (By the way Sally, thanks and if you got that reading it is fair to assume you are 100% sane). 'Misdirected' can mean anything. In scumspeak it could mean 'didn't work'. As far as I know and have been informed (having just re-read my role description) there is nothing about my role that suggests misdirection of powers; certain powers won't work against me, but nothing that hints at deflection or misdirection. I think I know what you are hinting at now.... but earlier I thought you were hinting at another role/character in which case I'd have to call bullshit due to my role. But now that I understand who you claim... it sounds ok to me. Mine is similar to yours. But the powers that DONT work on you will work on me, hope that clears it up without hinting too much. If anyone targeted me the last two nights.... speak up and tell me whether you were successful or not. Once that's done I can sure as hell clear some stuff up.  |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 13:05:45 GMT -4
EBWOP - I'm not saying to claim....just if you were successful in your target or not. This should not break the no claiming rule.
Once I know who targeted me...I'll be able to clear some people.
I know that's confusing, but you'll just have to trust me for the moment.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 19, 2012 13:53:55 GMT -4
You guys sure have been busy, ha.
Sorry for the delay; I just got home from school. Was rushing this morning, so I didn't have time to check everything out. Let me eat, read these posts, and then I'll throw my thoughts on things in.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 19, 2012 14:54:11 GMT -4
There’s a lot of new information, so I’m just gonna try and number things as they pop into my head. 1. I see Gubayama’s lynch turned out to be a distraction. What a shocker. 2. My character isn’t Alisha. Blade, I see why you would think I was her, but like you, my power isn’t 100% fitting of my character, based on me reading my character’s Wikipedia entry. I've been in the write-ups already though (I think that's the farthest I can go without character claiming). The main evidence I’m going to give you for the fact that I wasn’t converted last night is the write-up. Observe the end of Day 2: Seth: Buying or selling? Alisha Bailey: Trading. Seth raises an eyebrow. Seth: I don't think that was an option – but for a pretty girl like you? I think I can make something happen. So, what's your power? Alisha Bailey: Well... I can... you see when I... Seth raises an eyebrow as Alisha Bailey lets out a sigh. Alisha Bailey: I have the ability to make any man or female want to fuck the shit out of me when I touch them – okay!? Seth can't help but giggle at the notion. Seth: There's virgins all over the estate that would pay big money for a power like that. Alisha rolls her eyes. Alisha Bailey: So what am I going to get in return? Seth: We'll think of something. Whoever Aisha is, their power changed. Whoever was converted have a slightly different power than they did yesterday. Mine stayed the same, which I’m about to verify. That brings me to point 3… 3. Blade, I can confirm that you role-blocked Knuckles last night. I used my ability to see his result, which just amounted to being told he was role-blocked. I didn't get a specific word like "bite" like I did last time. I wish I would have been able to say this before you said it, but I wasn't around, as stated. 4. That being said, I'm still uncertain about you. Yes, I agree that your lynch would provide the most information about the game (yes, the exact point I made yesterday people), but you make a good point that if we lynch you, and we're wrong, a mislynch, successful kill and convert could split the game 6 townies/5 cult)I think that's right). That's assuming there's no Mafia, which there are if there indeed was a framer. I'm still stuck in that middle ground, but Smash's information, coupled with your defeatist attitude and lack of a character in the write-ups isn't helping the middle-ground you're sitting on (that's why you see no vote here). You said yourself you should be 100% confident when voting...but you voted Gubayama. Yeah, he was scummy, but it didn't help your case. I don't know that I agree with your lynch anymore, but this entire scenario needs answers somehow. 5. This whole misdirection thing is messing with my fucking head. Seriously, we've got talks of Nexus's, bus drivers, lightning rods, etc.. It's possible that L1 put them in the game to counteract the power roles, but it leads me to believe that there might be 1 or two Mafia disrupting the flow of information. We've seen all the characters in the game except about 2 or 3...which is telling. I still need to re-read all these posts about people's actions going all over the place. Gonna do my Overdrive stuff, and then I'll put more thought into this whole scenario. Did I miss anything? |
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2012 15:07:44 GMT -4
I know you posted more in point 4, but this is the one that is relevant, which kind of puts the whole point across that I am not a Cult Recruiter.
Unvote
How can I be?
Which puts a massive hole in Keaton's magical "Info"
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 15:10:07 GMT -4
Here's my new thoughts people....
Blade is the recruiter.
Noble was Recruited last night hense why he's all of a sudden sticking up for Noble.
With 9 townies left and 4 scum.... if a townie dies and one gets recruited that is 7 townies and 5 scum(3rd party) at which case it becomes lynch or lose. but right now, it's not lynch or game over and Blade's lynch makes the most sense/provides the most information.
My guess is:
Cult- Blade, Knuckles, Noble
SK - I haven't the slightest Clue but based on the targets (Farq and Chaz) it's somebody experianced who's flying under the radar and is picking off not the normal suspects to stay that way...
Vote: Blade
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 15:11:23 GMT -4
EWOP - fixed the following:
Noble was Recruited last night hense why he's all of a sudden sticking up for Blade.
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2012 15:12:29 GMT -4
Here's my new thoughts people.... Blade is the recruiter. Noble was Recruited last night hense why he's all of a sudden sticking up for Noble. With 9 townies left and 4 scum.... if a townie dies and one gets recruited that is 7 townies and 5 scum(3rd party) at which case it becomes lynch or lose. but right now, it's not lynch or game over and Blade's lynch makes the most sense/provides the most information. My guess is: Cult- Blade, Knuckles, Noble SK - I haven't the slightest Clue but based on the targets (Farq and Chaz) it's somebody experianced who's flying under the radar and is picking off not the normal suspects to stay that way... Vote: Blade |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 15:13:54 GMT -4
And this : Makes me more suspicious. So now you're saying that you're not the best lynch to provide info? THere are holes all through everything you and Noble say. It's clear to me that you two are now working together. I think the town just got a big break and if we lynch you...we're well on the way to winning. |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 15:16:10 GMT -4
That's great Blade.... monkey pictures certainly make your case.
Your lynch is the best lynch... I will not be changing my vote.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 15:16:50 GMT -4
And I'd love to read your Quicktopic right now cause the three of you are all freaking out because you know you're caught.
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Post by Blade on Apr 19, 2012 15:20:42 GMT -4
And I'd love to read your Quicktopic right now cause the three of you are all freaking out because you know you're caught. So I cant Unvote myself anymore? Yeah do you want to see my quick topic link? I forgot you already have it for when we talk outside the game thread. I still am the best lynch, I am just not voting myself. I really wish I was Cult because they are kicking our ass at the moment |
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Post by Jules on Apr 19, 2012 15:22:54 GMT -4
EWOP - fixed the following: Noble was Recruited last night hense why he's all of a sudden sticking up for Blade. Reading Noble's post and that 'golden' piece of information about seeing Knuckles info about being roleblocked I had the exact same thought. It does all seem to fit too nicely into place, and it smacks a little bit of a well-thought out plan by an experienced player (i.e. Blade). I understand why Noble might target Knuckles again after the info he received last night, but, consider how hard he went after Blade as cult recruiter, why didn't Noble target him? On top of this, Knuckles has yet to mention that he was roleblocked. Whenever I've played with Knuckles and he is town he is exemplary in terms of putting out information. Very peculiar that he would not be so forthcoming in this game. Something just doesn't fit right, it's like when you feel certain of someone's guilt but just can't put together a watertight case, therefore leading to your own self-doubt. Hopefully Keaton can throw us a bone here and shed some further light on his info (which is hardly 'magical' if his role is what I read him to be hinting at). |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 19, 2012 15:23:23 GMT -4
And I'd love to read your Quicktopic right now cause the three of you are all freaking out because you know you're caught. So I cant Unvote myself anymore? Yeah do you want to see my quick topic link? I forgot you already have it for when we talk outside the game thread. I still am the best lynch, I am just not voting myself. I really wish I was Cult because they are kicking our ass at the moment Well then how about you fucking do something to help the town for once instead of always commenting about how wrong everyone's info is and how bad we're playing? Oh, because you can't....you're the cult...and you're caught. |
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