The Simpsons Mafia - Game Thread

[T-Marv]

Jun 21, 2012 14:25:54 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

How can anyone be good at a game which largely depends on chance? That's what I'm wondering.

Also, I can't find it TJ but if he has character claimed in that way then you'll put yourself in some deep shit from a town-perspective for pointing that out.

There's being an upstanding citizen and then there's outright whistle-blowing. Jeff will no doubt be looking at every post to ensure the rules are being upheld, the fact you're pointing out a town rule-break may seem like a scum move trying to A) Prevent a sure-fire lynch on a scum buddy and B) Ensure that a townplayer is killed.

I agree with Callahan on this. WTF gives TJ?

[Michael Callahan]

Jun 21, 2012 14:30:27 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Jun 21, 2012 14:25:54 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

How can anyone be good at a game which largely depends on chance? That's what I'm wondering.

Also, I can't find it TJ but if he has character claimed in that way then you'll put yourself in some deep shit from a town-perspective for pointing that out.

There's being an upstanding citizen and then there's outright whistle-blowing. Jeff will no doubt be looking at every post to ensure the rules are being upheld, the fact you're pointing out a town rule-break may seem like a scum move trying to A) Prevent a sure-fire lynch on a scum buddy and B) Ensure that a townplayer is killed.

I agree with Callahan on this. WTF gives TJ?

I don't wanna sound like I'm saying "Fuck the system, break the rules" and that we shouldn't be trying to uphold the rules of the game but can you see why I'm thinking this way?

[T-Marv]

I get it. It definately feels like a scum move to point this out, especially since I can't actually find where James said this. I would think that scum would point this out in the QT or PM though instead of calling attention to it on the game thread. But who knows.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Well, Goodburn is lynched... No turning back now. As of right now, after reading everything... I have some ideas on who scum might be...

Blade
James
Bacon
Goodburn

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But from what I can tell, these are the guys that I'm most concerned with.

And BTW Bacon... I don't know if they have elementary schools where you come from, but you really need to learn how to read. You continue to say that "Chaz didn't want us to have activity" when you know that's complete bullshit. I never once said anything about no activity. All I ever said was "we don't need to argue, it will lead to a mislynch". So next time, please, say "pop", take your head out of your ass, and read things more carefully. Your false claims and accusations are nothing but a waste of time, and a hell of a way for you to try and cause a mislynch.

[President Jeff]

With 9 Votes, That is a Lynch, Write up coming soon

No More Talking

[Kris]

I found it on page 12... although he doesn't say the character's name outright, he is pretty specific. That's all the more I'll say since I don't want to throw JamesV under the bus.

[Kris]

EBWOP: Sorry, Jeff. I posted that without refreshing. Shutting up now.

[President Jeff]

Remember guys, Night time hasn't started yet, so please don't send me any night actions till I say so

[President Jeff]

The scene opens up with Chief Wiggum and Homer Simpson sitting on some swings

Chief Wiggum: Ok Homer, tell me what you know?

Homer: Well, I was walking home the other night when some man give me a poison donut.

Chief Wiggum: Who was it

Homer: I don‘t remember

Chief Wiggum: You don‘t remember because you we‘re drunk, just like you don‘t remember where you we‘re the night Apu was murdered!

Homer: I told you, I don‘t remember. Go bug Flanders. Yah, he must have done it.

Chief Wiggum: Homer Simpson, I‘m placing you under….

A woman scream

Woman: Help, that man stole my purse!

An unidentified man in black see’s the cop and starts running. Chief Wiggum runs after him, but his size slows him down. He runs out of breath

Chief Wiggum: Quick, someone stop that guy

Just then, several town people run after this person. They Chase him down a back ally with a dead end. With no where’s to go, the town people attack him and beat him to death. A few moments later, a cop car pulls up and Chief Wiggum walks out and is still out of breath

Chief Wiggum: Did we get him

Chief Wiggum see’s the body

Chief Wiggum: Lets find out who this dirt ball is

He turns the body over and see’s the face and its Snake

DEAD: Snake - Kyle Goodburn (Mafia Poisoner)


The scene cuts to Ned Flanders house where he is outside on his roof fixing it. On the ground is his son’s Rod and Todd

Todd: Daddy, be careful up there

Ned: Don‘t worry Todd-a-reno. Everything up here is fine and dandy like sour candy!

Rod: Daddy, we Todd and I watch some television

Ned: Only the Christian Television Channel

Todd & Rod: YAY!!!

They run off as Homer pulls into his Driveway

Ned: Hi Diddly ho Neighbor

Homer: Hello Flanders

Ned: Say Homer, Can you pass me that Nail gun?

Homer: Sure Ned (Homer then says to himself) Stupid Flanders

Homer grabs it

Homer: Here ya go Ned

Homer throws it up and Ned catches it, but then loses his balance and falls off the roof and lands on the ground.

Homer: Uh-ho

Homer runs off into the house.

MOD KILLED (Character Claiming) - Ned Flanders - JamesV (Bandwagon Ability)


NIGHT 2 NOW BEGINS. YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO SEND ME YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS

[President Jeff]

All night actions are in

however, I won't be able to do the write up for a couple of hours

[President Jeff]

The scene opens on the bus. Bart is sitting in his seat talking with Milhouse

Bart: Milhouse, I got a tip that there’s a secret entrances into the Quick E Mart. Wanna come with me and snoop around

Milhouse: I don’t know about that Bart. Would that get us in trouble?

Bart: Probably

Milhouse: I’m in.

Bart and Milhouse rush to the front of the bus

Bart: Hey Otta Mann, stop the bus here?

Otto: No way Bart dude.

Bart: What if I tell ya that I know a guy with some good stuff.

Otto stops the bus and opens the door.

Otto: Fill me in later Bart dude

Bart and Milhouse get off the bus and they just happen to be in front of the Quick E Mart. They go to the back of the building and Bart moves a box and reveals a hole to enter in.

Milhouse: I’m feeling kinda sick Bart, I think I’m gonna go.

Milhouse runs off

Bart: Looks like I‘m in this on my own

Bart enters the hole and crawls through it, eventually finding a door which opens up the floor behind the counter. Bart looks around and see’s the Squishy machine.

Bart: Time for a free Squishy

Bart grabs a cup and pulls the lever on it, filling up the cup with blue Squishy. Bart then takes a drink of it and begins to choke. Bart falls to the ground and stops moving.

MOD KILLED (Being inactive) - Bart Simpson - Branden Harvey(Hated Townie)





At the Springfield cemetery, Bart’s Funeral has just ended. Everyone has left as Groundskeeper Willie is tossing dirt into the whole where Bart got put in. Marge is there alone crying when Fat Tony walks up to here.

Fat Tony: I hate to see a woman cry. Here, take this, it will ease your pain
He hands her a piece of Candy

Marge: I don‘t know

Fat Tony: Its peppermint flavor

Marge: Well, ok.

Marge takes the candy and eats it. Seconds later, she grabs her throat and falls over and dies.

Groundskeeper Willie: Do you want me to clean this up sir

Fat Tony: Please do


DEAD: Marge Simpson - Tmarv

DAY 3 now begins

Remaining Players

1. The Soul
2. Michael Callahan
3. Kurt Noble
4. Jules
5. Gabriel Anselm
6. Kris
7. Chaz
9. Johnny Rebel
10. CJ
12. Keaton
16. Blade
17. Calvin
18. Bacon

[Jules]

Not a great night. But at least we were right about Goodburn.

Going by the fact that the full roles of James, Goodburn and Harvey have been revealed, but Tmarv's wasn't, as well as the line about GK Willie 'cleaning' up for Fat Tony, it looks like there is a mafia janitor, or some such role.

Harvey's mod-kill seems to rule out a silencer too; I think he was the only one who didn't check in day 2 and it was obviously not down to him being silenced.

No mention of third party in the write-up though. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[The Soul Of Philly]

Unless Jeff gave Rebel a pass for being outta town, Rebel could have been silenced because I don't think he checked in during day 2.

And look, I wanna apologize for "whistle-blowing", while I knew he would have been mod-killed for it, thanks to Maniac's ebwop, I thought it was relevant to him roleclaiming, which he never did. I also had a strong feeling that he and Blade were third party because he just jumped up on the vote for little to no reason so I felt if he was modkilled, it would help. I gambled, made an honest mistake and it put the town in a bad spot.

With that outta the way, here's the skinny, we knocked out the poisoner (Yay!), and found out two more people, Fat Tony and Groundskeeper Willie. It looks like Fat Tony is either the GF or whatever does the killing, Willie is the janitor which leaves at least one more mafia member as either the GF or something else.

We also lost three players (BOO!). One being a hated townie (which I assume isn't all that great for the town. Correct me if I'm wrong), T-Marv who we don't know what his power was, but he was Marge who brought something to Lenny and Carl so that may give us some insight to what his power was, and James who had a Bandwagon Ability which, I'm taking a guess, means he jumps on the latest vote of someone different which would explain why he jumped on Blade's vote.

So, we have these characters known for sure:

Homer
Otto
The Doc
Lisa
Lennie
Carl
Chief Wiggum
Fat Tony
Willie
Smithers
Burns

With 13 players left, means there are 2 unknown. I can't see there being another third party member as no one in the show goes with Smithers and Burns (unless its Big Tex) So that means there are probably one more town and another mafia member. One character may be Krusty as a Jester which I would take a guess for being Mafia since he's not the nicest of character, much like Willie. I dunno if Jester would be a mafia role or not, but even if it's not, didn't someone say the bus driver is normally a mafia role?

We're looking at 2 3rd party members, 3 mafia members, and 9 town left, even with the 3 losses, we still are outweighing the non town by almost double. With 13, it takes seven votes, so we just can't be split on the vote like we were yesterday before the vote swung from Bacon to Goodburn.

ATM, Blade is the only one who comes up as scummy for making a vote with the reasoning being, oh, wait, there wasn't any that he gave us.

[President Jeff]

Forgot to mention

Deadline is Monday @ 6pm EST

[jasonandrews]

Alright so we know who the mafia is so far at this point character wise.

Fat Tony
Groundskeeper willie
Snake(Dead)
Moe

People just keep making mistakes like being active and character claiming knowing that is a big no no. I just feel if we keep that up there is no chance in us winning. We just need to stay active and lynch the right people because so far these write ups are def in the mafias favor..

[The Soul Of Philly]

EBWOP

Ok, fuck, three days in 100 degree heat is not good for my brain, I did the math wrong. NOW its 2 to 3 to 8. which means we REALLY can't be split on a lynch.

I also forgot about Moe.

[jasonandrews]

I am thinking that Blade could be a cop he is probably just busy with other things to give us some reason. With him being a cop and James being a bandwagoner could be the reason he voted Kurt

[The Soul Of Philly]

If he's a cop, than is it that hard to say, "Based on my night actions"? I mean, T-Marv said that, Kris said that, Chaz said that and we all took them at face value.

Thats why I don't think he's as clean as some would think.

[Smash INC]

For the purposes of this, just allow "Town" to be read as "not Mafia" since hunting down third parites right now is a big ask.

Assumed Town:
Callahan, Kurt, Jules, Kris, Bacon

Callahan was quite vocal in his opposition and has been giving off town tells a fair amount.

Kurt was on the Goodburn vote quite early, since Goodburn is maf I can guess that Kurt wouldn't jump on the vote so early if he was too.

Jules is a gamble, but I think I have an idea of who he might be.

Kris is here for the same reason as Kurt, although if Marv was the one who cleared Kris yesterday then that's a huge indicator of town.

Bacon's leaning to a mid-range but his eagerness and fear in day two keeps him here for now.

Could be Town or Mafia:
Soul, Anselm, Chaz, CJ, Blade

Soul wasn't on a vote yesterday and his recent actions in this phase lead me to believe he's trying to lead the town, I'd want to see something with merit before I do anything.

Anselm asked for the vote count, then voted to make it one more until Goodburn was hammered. This could be a wary town move, but a smart maf would see which way the wind was blowing and get on the backend of the lynch.

Chaz is here, but I don't think he's maf. I need to check the Kris-Marv-Chaz chain again to make sure I'm looking at that right.

Blade and CJ seem to have opposition. Whether Blade was trying to stall the vote or whether he had something of merit is what we need to establish today. It seems to be our best chance at finding a mafia beyond a golden report.


Nulltells:
Rebel, Calvin,

Rebel's had intermittent internet. If Calvin has even said anything, I never noted it.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I hit a deadspot in my RP and got stuck on a graphic so I've been reading pass fallout topics learning roles then i went back and read the beginning over again. So it's a lot of stuff.

Just saying, in my only other game of mafia here, Kurt threw Rebel under the bus when it was clear there was no talking outta a Rebel lynch, may have done the same because Goodburn's hole was fairly deep early, add in the fact Goodburn is fairly new, he would have cut his losses. I mean, unless he had to stay alive to win, Goodburn may have just taken one for the team, hence why you jumped up to vote for him right away to make sure it seems less scummy if you're the first one to vote. Then again, same can be said for Kurt to vote early.

I think I know who Kris is based on her and T-marv's exchange during last phase, also who Bacon is, but that one is obvious.

I've be trying to figure out the roles of at least the mafia and some what of everyone else, at least in a sense:

Fat Tony: GF
Groundskeeper Willie: Janitor
Moe: Mafia informant
Lisa: Watcher
Otto: Busdriver
Lenny and Carl: Encouragers? Always up-beat in the show
Homer: Roleblocker
Chief Wiggum: Cop, although a naive cop in the show but its the only cop in this game, so I'm betting against him being naive otherwise that would be overpower against the town that their only cop is dumb
Doc Hibbert: Doctor

That leaves Smithers, Burns, and the last member of teh game, which I said is most likely town, who it is after that, it's up in the air. The only guess I have is, going off the spaceballs fallout, they have something like Pizza The Hut II and Vinnie, but something like if Burns dies, Smiters gets a revenge kill or something. I dunno, I'm reaching on that one I think but I'm tryna make up for a fuck up.

Although, unless Lenny and Carl are two separate players, which I doubt since Jeff made it Lenny AND Carl not Lenny Leonard and Carl Carlson, that would me we have all our town.

Also,

Jun 18, 2012 1:59:11 GMT -4 goodburn said:

Although, Chaz's response was so out of left feild, I understand why he has a vote against him. I suspect Chaz will probably vote for Bacon, thus causing two groups to form, I'll nickname one group The Others, and the other group, The Oceanic 6. Which group will have the scum? I have no clue. With our luck, it's probably two townies fighting with eachother. That's my two cents, it's great to see the activity though, much more active than the last game. I'm just trying to keep it alive

How did we not notice this earlier?! The things you find when you got back to read from the start. We could have had him gone before the first night!

Also,

Jun 20, 2012 16:53:30 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

Vote: Bacon

Simply because he's making my skin crawl with that Goodburn vote.

The next thing he said after that was my whistle-blowing, but he stayed on the bacon vote. Thats something I think is worth some attention

Also, caine was VERY quiet during phase two, as was Chaz. Three players all quiet while a scum was getting lynched...dunno if I'm shooting in the dark, but that's doesn't ring right with me.

[Michael Callahan]

Jun 23, 2012 3:16:20 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Also,

Jun 20, 2012 16:53:30 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

Vote: Bacon

Simply because he's making my skin crawl with that Goodburn vote.

The next thing he said after that was my whistle-blowing, but he stayed on the bacon vote. Thats something I think is worth some attention

I didn't change my vote on Bacon when I started making accusations against you because it was too late at this point. Voting for Goodburn would have done nothing because the hammer had already been dropped on Goodburn's candyass so there would've been no benefit to me changing my vote.

I retain that I'm still not convinced of Bacon's alignment. I'm especially not convinced of yours either. We'll see how it plays out.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I was trying to make more a point that you were relatively quiet while goodburn was getting lynched, also that, instead of quickening a lynch, you voted Bacon simply because his voting method was, and I agree, suspicious.

Now, you're gonna say, "But you didn't even vote." Because i wasn't sold on either Bacon or Goodburn, but i was leaning towards bacon with f.o.s. I said that whoever could better explain themselves or even if someone would clear them. Bacon did a better job because he simply didn't understand his role completely, and he also had people understanding him, where as Goodburn knew his role but couldn't think of a way to get the heat off him. And by the time I was able to catch up at work on what had be done, enough votes were in and we had changed subjects to James roleclaiming.

[Michael Callahan]

Jun 23, 2012 4:15:11 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

I was trying to make more a point that you were relatively quiet while goodburn was getting lynched, also that, instead of quickening a lynch, you voted Bacon simply because his voting method was, and I agree, suspicious.

Now, you're gonna say, "But you didn't even vote." Because i wasn't sold on either Bacon or Goodburn, but i was leaning towards bacon with f.o.s. I said that whoever could better explain themselves or even if someone would clear them. Bacon did a better job because he simply didn't understand his role completely, and he also had people understanding him, where as Goodburn knew his role but couldn't think of a way to get the heat off him. And by the time I was able to catch up at work on what had be done, enough votes were in and we had changed subjects to James roleclaiming.

I believed Bacon to be more suspicious than Goodburn and casted my vote accordingly.

What does F.o.S mean?

[The Soul Of Philly]

finger of suspicion, i know I just found out that in this game.

[[ManiC]]

Finger of Suspicion you're not quite ready to vote, but making note of someone who you don't trust.

[Kris]

Unfortunately, my night action was unsuccessful last night... so I can't clear anyone today. I don't know why it wouldn't have worked, but I will say who I attempted to use my night action on-- and since his actions yesterday were highly suspicious? I'm going to go ahead and do this, as well.

F.o.S. - Blade

Now's the time to tell us what's going on, if you would be so kind. Why so adamant on the CJ vote? Why so tight-lipped about how you got your information on him? I'm not asking for a roleclaim, more an explanation on why you were so vocally 'I'm not gonna tell you why I'm voting this way'.

[Kurt]

inb4allhailthescumhuntingGod

Anyway, onto serious matters.

I can't, for the life of me, wonder what you all were thinking after I asked JamesV about his roleclaim...not his character claim. I'm very much aware that he character claimed, but never found a roleclaim... so why you would bring up that totally irrelevant point makes me wonder TJ. I'm willing to forgive bad play (I've made super scummy-looking mistakes before too), but some of your other points have me a tad concerned...More on that in a moment.

Sucks that we lost T-marv; not so much that we lost Harvey. His ability would have hurt us later anyway. I'm questioning why Rebel is still alive, which draws me to three conclusions:

1. He informed the mod of his absence, and was allowed to be inactive.
2. He still sent in a night action.
3. He was silenced.

Let's see who pokes their head around, and of everyone does, we can rule out #3. Rebel's own activity will answer for #1.

Jun 22, 2012 23:11:39 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

I am thinking that Blade could be a cop he is probably just busy with other things to give us some reason. With him being a cop and James being a bandwagoner could be the reason he voted Kurt

If Blade is a cop, he made a tremendous gamble by not investigating his sanity night 1. Puts his own judgment into question, but I don't think he'll claim cop. Also, I have no idea what your last sentence means.

Jun 23, 2012 3:16:20 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Just saying, in my only other game of mafia here, Kurt threw Rebel under the bus when it was clear there was no talking outta a Rebel lynch, may have done the same because Goodburn's hole was fairly deep early, add in the fact Goodburn is fairly new, he would have cut his losses. I mean, unless he had to stay alive to win, Goodburn may have just taken one for the team, hence why you jumped up to vote for him right away to make sure it seems less scummy if you're the first one to vote. Then again, same can be said for Kurt to vote early.

I'm just gonna address this paragraph, but your whole post here paints you in an unfavorable light.

Anytime someone starts with "just sayin," it feels like they're making a point that they're hoping sticks, but if it doesn't, they can claim they were just throwing it out. It's exactly what got Goodburn lynched. Goodburn's lynch here and Rebel's lynch in the last game were completely different scenarios. Goodburn didn't have concrete evidence against him, and only had 2 out of nine votes when I voted him. Hell, I helped build a case against Goodburn! In the last game, I hammered Rebel without saying anything about him. You change subjects in the end of this paragraph, so I'm not sure who you're talking to...but the point you're trying to make here is nonsensical. It's a comparison that simply isn't there.

Given that you also throw light suspicion on Callahan for reasoning you *seem* to agree with...I don't know what angle you're playing here. Only reason I'm not going to plop down a vote for you is because I'd like to wait for more players to check in, and for Blade's explanation; if there is one at all.

FoS: TJ

[C.J. Gates]

Jun 23, 2012 9:49:15 GMT -4 Kurt said:

I'm questioning why Rebel is still alive, which draws me to three conclusions:

1. He informed the mod of his absence, and was allowed to be inactive.
2. He still sent in a night action.
3. He was silenced.

Let's see who pokes their head around, and of everyone does, we can rule out #3. Rebel's own activity will answer for #1.

This might be the most telling this this day phase unless anyone got anything from night actions. I'd assume that since Rebel was out of time he would have informed the mod and been allowed to be inactive, but you never can tell. The other option is that he was active, just not active in the game thread.

I guess at least one positive from last night, is that we now know that there is a janitor. Not huge but at least it definitely explains why we didn't get a role for the mafia's kills.

As far as Bacon goes, right now I'm willing to give him the pass on his alignment. I don't think anyone else has countered, and the character I'm assuming he'd be has shown up in write ups...so for right now, I'm willing to give him the pass.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jun 23, 2012 10:10:13 GMT -4 C.J. Gates said:

Jun 23, 2012 9:49:15 GMT -4 Kurt said:

I'm questioning why Rebel is still alive, which draws me to three conclusions:

1. He informed the mod of his absence, and was allowed to be inactive.
2. He still sent in a night action.
3. He was silenced.

Let's see who pokes their head around, and of everyone does, we can rule out #3. Rebel's own activity will answer for #1.

This might be the most telling this this day phase unless anyone got anything from night actions. I'd assume that since Rebel was out of time he would have informed the mod and been allowed to be inactive, but you never can tell. The other option is that he was active, just not active in the game thread.

I guess at least one positive from last night, is that we now know that there is a janitor. Not huge but at least it definitely explains why we didn't get a role for the mafia's kills.

As far as Bacon goes, right now I'm willing to give him the pass on his alignment. I don't think anyone else has countered, and the character I'm assuming he'd be has shown up in write ups...so for right now, I'm willing to give him the pass.

I'm here and have been somewhat following along as best as I can. I did send in a night action but it did not give me anything worthwhile to the game. Im assuming I haven't been killed yet because I did send in a night action.

[The Soul Of Philly]

The angle I'm playing here is just playing the game. I don't know how my post paints me in an unfavorable light, most of what I said just reset the game for us, let us know what we had and what I thought we could have. I figured if we understood what we had as the town and what we were working against, we would have a better chance. The only thing you could paint unfavorable is my point out of that Callahan, Chaz, and Caine (Haha three c's) were all very quiet during the last phase while Goodburn was getting lynched.

And no, Goodburn got lynched because he continually misread things and made up an excuse for it from the whole taking Bacon as a cop, trying to stop him from investigating people to the the Homer fiasco and he tried to explain himself the same way and dug himself deeper.

And what case did you build against Goodburn? If you can show me something that is a case you built against him, all I got that you, yourself, built was

Jun 20, 2012 13:16:41 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Jun 20, 2012 12:29:42 GMT -4 goodburn said:

My mistake, again it was Keaton, not Bacon.

I think it's best if I go get some sleep, and then start playing again, I'm obviously losing my mind, and seeing things.

I would be more inclined to believe this if you hadn't made the point before about Bacon's vote. I'm always one to forgive slips of the tongue and other little mistakes, but not if there's a pattern.

That's the only thing you said in regards to Goodburn, the next post you made regarding Goodburn was:

Jun 20, 2012 15:17:47 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Odd, I picked up Busdriver, not Cop from his claims. "Switching things around" sounds akin to bussing, meaning he could have switched JamesV and Knuckles. Doesn't make JamesV town necessarily since there's two factions, unless the write-up corroborates that.

Oh, and...

Vote: Goodburn

The whole cop fiasco seals it for me.

After that, I found nothing that "made" a case. You casted a vote and went on to focus on either Bacon's posts, James' bandwagoning on Blade's vote, Blade's vote itself, or T-Marv and Kris. So if that's the case you built, that's a soft case where as Callahan, Saint, T-Marv, and others built solid cases against him, without using most of what you said.

Also, it wasn't totally irrelevant because James said he roleclaimed, maybe to cover up that he character-claimed, hence why i brought it up. Like I said, it was a gamble that i took that didn't pay off.