The Simpsons Mafia - Game Thread

[The Soul Of Philly]

Jun 23, 2012 9:10:06 GMT -4 Kris said:

Unfortunately, my night action was unsuccessful last night... so I can't clear anyone today. I don't know why it wouldn't have worked, but I will say who I attempted to use my night action on-- and since his actions yesterday were highly suspicious? I'm going to go ahead and do this, as well.

F.o.S. - Blade

Now's the time to tell us what's going on, if you would be so kind. Why so adamant on the CJ vote? Why so tight-lipped about how you got your information on him? I'm not asking for a roleclaim, more an explanation on why you were so vocally 'I'm not gonna tell you why I'm voting this way'.

Forgot to mention this, but maybe you were roleblocked last night? Or someone protected Blade? I thought protecting someone only worked on a kill

[Kris]

TJ, that's what I am guessing happened-- that I was targeted to be interfered with, while T-Marv was killed due to him being an admittedly more experienced player than I. What that suggests is that we were onto something beyond just Goodburn... and the two that he found most suspicious beside the poisoner?

Were Blade and Bacon.

I'm going to keep my F.o.S. pointed where it is for the time being.

[Blade]

So your night action was unsuccessful so you FoS me? Nice one Kris, that adds up...

I am not claiming cop, nor will I claim cop. But I did have something to do with an investigation and it put CJ under a dark light.

So you are telling me that there is no chief wiggum in the game? and they chose not to follow up on CJ?

[Kurt]

The angle I'm playing here is just playing the game. I don't know how my post paints me in an unfavorable light, most of what I said just reset the game for us, let us know what we had and what I thought we could have. I figured if we understood what we had as the town and what we were working against, we would have a better chance. The only thing you could paint unfavorable is my point out of that Callahan, Chaz, and Caine (Haha three c's) were all very quiet during the last phase while Goodburn was getting lynched.

We're all playing the game, so that's a redundant point to make. You very clearly and conveniently just ignored the part of your post I pointed out was illogical, about me from last game. And yes, I do consider that a strange point to make; Caine very clearly stated he had computer issues. Chaz mentioned he had the flu. Inactivity is not a strong point to hammer on when we have active players to address (and considering inactivity is both a Mafia AND Town quality, ala last game if you really want to make a comparison).

And no, Goodburn got lynched because he continually misread things and made up an excuse for it from the whole taking Bacon as a cop, trying to stop him from investigating people to the the Homer fiasco and he tried to explain himself the same way and dug himself deeper.

Look at the first thing Saint says when he pushes his vote on Goodburn. I'm not denying that those events happened later, but they started with Goodburn throwing out an idea in the same fashion you just did. You were "just sayin."

Again, you're misconstruing events in the way they occurred. I never said I was the one solely building a case against Goodburn. I identified his "mistake" in regards to trying to label Bacon's voting pattern. I said I "helped," which is true. Never said I was the one to primarily push him or that I "made" a case as you wrongly put in quotes.

[jasonandrews]

With Goodburn trying to get people to vote for me turned on him that should be enough to prove i am town after revealing he was mafia.

[C.J. Gates]

Jun 23, 2012 14:49:12 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

With Goodburn trying to get people to vote for me turned on him that should be enough to prove i am town after revealing he was mafia.

Not necessarily. Because there are three factions in the game, we can't base town-ness on something like that (not that we can normally, but three factions makes it harder).

What tips the scales in your favor of being town for me, is what you said you did night one, no one really came out and countered it (to my knowledge) and then the character appeared in the write up...

[Nathaniel Havok]

To clear something up, I've been very sick, not inactive. Believe me or not, but I can take a picture of my hospital wristband from yesterday to prove it, if you'd like. And I'm being dead serious, if anyone would like to see it, and if Jeff would allow me to. Just to explain my silence.

Secondly, I really don't know what to say right now. Some are pointing at Blade right now, when I think his information might be valuable. I got JamesV in my crosshairs for jumping on his bandwaggon, and James flipped town. So maybe we should think about what Blade has to say?

Kris was quick to out Blade, and has me thinking she might be getting a bit nervous. Just a hunch, and not accusing. I would just like to hear why she thinks he's scum. If he doesn't want to die at the hands of mafia, he wouldn't out-right claim cop. Honestly, I've been a cop twice, claimed it twice, and died twice. So I understn his approach if he's a town cop.

And no, Bacon. It's not enough proof. Mafia players do that all the time, to assist other mafia if they die. If mafia points the finger at you, that mafia dies, people assume that you're not mafia. It's a played out gimmick, Bacon. So for me, honestly, I'm going to need more proof. Not saying you aren't town, but I'm not ruling you out as mafia, either.

More later...

[Kris]

Jun 23, 2012 15:07:06 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Kris was quick to out Blade, and has me thinking she might be getting a bit nervous. Just a hunch, and not accusing. I would just like to hear why she thinks he's scum.

I find his actions from yesterday to be exceedingly suspicious-- placing a vote with no real explanation to it, followed by making a point of saying that he wasn't going to explain himself. It came across as a failed attempt to divert attention away from Goodburn, to me. Add onto that how I tried to use my role on him last night in an attempt to glean some information only for it to be interfered with suggests that someone that isn't town doesn't want anything to be found out about Blade. Whether that is to keep people from finding anything out or to make him seem even more suspicious, I can't say for sure...

Which is why I'm only F.o.S.-ing, rather than putting forth a vote on him.

[Nathaniel Havok]

I find his actions from yesterday to be exceedingly suspicious-- placing a vote with no real explanation to it, followed by making a point of saying that he wasn't going to explain himself. It came across as a failed attempt to divert attention away from Goodburn, to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong... But didn't he place that vote on CJ Gates? I swear he did, but I could be wrong. Thus, how is that diverting attention off of Goodburn, and on to you?

Add onto that how I tried to use my role on him last night in an attempt to glean some information only for it to be interfered with suggests that someone that isn't town doesn't want anything to be found out about Blade. Whether that is to keep people from finding anything out or to make him seem even more suspicious, I can't say for sure...

To be 100% honest, I could lie and say that someone roleblocked me. It's that simple. Claiming that you used your night action on him, only goes so far. I can't buy that, I'm sorry. I'm not pointing fingers at you, but in this game, you can't always take someone by their word. Which is why I never jumped on his bandwaggon to begin with.

Regardless, town is hurting right now, and we really need a boost. I'm going to go through this all again, and try to let it "sink in". But right now, I'm completely lost on any leads.

[C.J. Gates]

Jun 23, 2012 16:06:39 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

I find his actions from yesterday to be exceedingly suspicious-- placing a vote with no real explanation to it, followed by making a point of saying that he wasn't going to explain himself. It came across as a failed attempt to divert attention away from Goodburn, to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong... But didn't he place that vote on CJ Gates? I swear he did, but I could be wrong. Thus, how is that diverting attention off of Goodburn, and on to you.

Not quite what she said. She said that it was Blade diverting attention away from Goodburn, comma, to her. Not that it was directed to her, but that in her eyes it was an attempt to divert attention.

[[ManiC]]

Kris, if you were roleblocked then would it matter who you targeted? As far as I'm aware there isn't a role that protects an individual from anything but mafia kills and if this is the case then unless someone knew Blade was going to be targeted by you then I don't think you being roleblocked could be held against Blade. Of course, that's not to say he's innocent or not

[Kris]

CJ hit what I meant right on the head. I could've been clearer on my wording, I suppose. Now, that aside...

Jun 23, 2012 16:06:39 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

To be 100% honest, I could lie and say that someone roleblocked me. It's that simple. Claiming that you used your night action on him, only goes so far. I can't buy that, I'm sorry. I'm not pointing fingers at you, but in this game, you can't always take someone by their word. Which is why I never jumped on his bandwaggon to begin with.

Alright, then let me point this out to you. T-Marv was Marge, yes? Look at the night one write-up, and the conversation that followed in which I cleared him as such, and him figuring out who I was from me saying that I used my night action on him that night. That should give you a pretty clear indicator as to what role I hold, as well as my alignment as town, since it made it into the write-up.

I stand by my previous thought that T-Marv and I were onto something yesterday... but there's a lot of folks that haven't spoken up yet.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Taking this all into consideration, as well as JamesV being premature to jump in bed with Blade, I retract my statements. I'll just continue to try and figure this out, I guess. I'm still not ruling out these possibilities yet, but some valid points have been made.

Blade, give us something, dude... Seriously. I want to believe you have something, but I can't follow you if you can't give us something to go off of. Continuing to give us less and less, just makes you look like you're stalling for something. As well, it makes it look like you're "sticking to CJ", so you don't have to vote anyone else. Thus, you sticking to CJ might cut you some slack if you don't help eliminate scum. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I always get misunderstood when I post lol.

[Jules]

A few things that stand-out to me (they may be little or large, depending on how you see them).

- Soul's mis-count (may be nothing, but it's noteworthy to me atm).
- Soul outing JamesV's character claim, then looking to lead the town.
- Soul's back and forth with Kurt.
- We still haven't had any word from Blade. JamesV's alignment doesn't shed any light as far as I can see. James was guilty of bad play as a townie; if he has come up mafia or third party I might be more inclined in that direction.
- Bacon is again giving me bad vibes, but I'm putting this down to injudicious play rather than scumtell.

Not sure if everyone has checked in, but right now my vibes are:

Probable Town:
-Keaton and Kurt. I'm getting strong town vibes off their play.
-I would include Bacon here because even if he is still ringing bells in terms of gameplay, I think the pieces fit to together to clear him.
-Kris I feel is town. I think I've decoded her exchange with Tmarv, so I think I know who she is, but I'm not going to say I'm 100% certain.

Possible Town:
-Callahan, although I thought his Bacon vote was a bit scummy, seems to be playing differently to how he does when he's been scum. This doesn't clear him though because meta-reasoning never does.

Suspicious:
-The Soul. This is based mostly on that bit of nickpicking with Kurt earlier in the phase about who 'led' the lynch on Goodburn. Just seemed to me he was trying too hard to discredit Kurt over very little indeed.

-Blade and C.J. for obvious reasons, but if one is cleared I'm looking at the other.

Unaccounted for:
-Everyone else. Although there are some I have hunches about.

[Blade]

Did Chief Wiggum look at CJ?

If not why not?

[jasonandrews]

It looks like to me that blade is fishing for the cop to get him killed. Either that or he is trying to keep the heat off of him so the mafia can miss the cop.

[jasonandrews]

EBWOP

I also want to know how i am giving bad vibes still. All of this speculation started after i stated i can clear James as a town then all of a sudden goodburn, kris, and tmarv started to say i claimed a role i didn't claim. Then when i tried to explain my self MULTIPLE TIMES. People still said i gave them bad vibes even after goodburn died who i voted for btw people still thought that i was suspicious. Then JamesV died and when i said i could clear him i meant it and what did he turn up as? A town but people still do no trust me.

[Jules]

Jun 24, 2012 2:23:15 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

EBWOP

I also want to know how i am giving bad vibes still.

Well there is this.

Jun 23, 2012 14:49:12 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

With Goodburn trying to get people to vote for me turned on him that should be enough to prove i am town after revealing he was mafia.

This smacks of someone who is trying too hard to make himself out as town. It's been addressed by C.J. so I don't need to repeat how Goodburn's alignment has nothing to do with proving yours.

Jun 22, 2012 23:11:39 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

I am thinking that Blade could be a cop he is probably just busy with other things to give us some reason. With him being a cop and James being a bandwagoner could be the reason he voted Kurt

Blade is the one guy we need answers from, your providing the explanation. Maybe it's just me but I'm always a bit sceptical of someone who finds they have to step in and provide answers for others (cf. my saying the same thing about Kurt and C.J. when they explained your role for you). (NB: I have noted you've suddenly pointed a finger at Blade.)

Not mention the reference to Kurt shows that either you are not following the game properly, or you are trying to make yourself a distraction.

However, if you actually read my post, I wrote...

Jun 23, 2012 17:49:22 GMT -4 Jules said:

Probable Town:
-I would include Bacon here because even if he is still ringing bells in terms of gameplay, I think the pieces fit to together to clear him.

I've included you as probable town because somehow the pieces we have fit together to suggest you are who you say you are, in spite of some odd gameplay.

Add to this, your ultra-defensiveness is creating bad vibes. However, I am not saying you are anti-town! So chill out and try to stop being an unnecessary distraction.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Jun 23, 2012 12:06:51 GMT -4 Blade said:

So your night action was unsuccessful so you FoS me? Nice one Kris, that adds up...

I am not claiming cop, nor will I claim cop. But I did have something to do with an investigation and it put CJ under a dark light.

So you are telling me that there is no chief wiggum in the game? and they chose not to follow up on CJ?

I haven't seen a role that involves investigating someones alignment other than cop. Watcher and tracker sees who visteded/who they visted but not the alignment so unless it was a one-shot investigation power, if that's possible, I find it hard to believe you had something to do with an investigation unless that's true.

Also, there is a chief wiggum in the game. My only problem is, unless they have something on more than one person, I don't want them coming out and making them a target for non-town. Because if CJ is innocent and he puts himself out there, thats gotta be target number 1 by the non-town, he may or may not make it past the night to investigate anyone else. and you end up looking scummy as hell for pointing the finger at CJ, CJ being innocent and then the cop getting killed.

And Bacon, its been explained, but your being way too defensive using something that can't actually clear you. I also think you're town but you keep being defensive for no reason. Jules made an observation of the game, said it's probably you playing a very weird style this game rather than scumtelling and you jumped up like he outted you as scum.

[Blade]

Jun 24, 2012 8:02:25 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Jun 23, 2012 12:06:51 GMT -4 Blade said:

So your night action was unsuccessful so you FoS me? Nice one Kris, that adds up...

I am not claiming cop, nor will I claim cop. But I did have something to do with an investigation and it put CJ under a dark light.

So you are telling me that there is no chief wiggum in the game? and they chose not to follow up on CJ?

I haven't seen a role that involves investigating someones alignment other than cop. Watcher and tracker sees who visteded/who they visted but not the alignment so unless it was a one-shot investigation power, if that's possible, I find it hard to believe you had something to do with an investigation unless that's true.

Also, there is a chief wiggum in the game. My only problem is, unless they have something on more than one person, I don't want them coming out and making them a target for non-town. Because if CJ is innocent and he puts himself out there, thats gotta be target number 1 by the non-town, he may or may not make it past the night to investigate anyone else. and you end up looking scummy as hell for pointing the finger at CJ, CJ being innocent and then the cop getting killed.

And Bacon, its been explained, but your being way too defensive using something that can't actually clear you. I also think you're town but you keep being defensive for no reason. Jules made an observation of the game, said it's probably you playing a very weird style this game rather than scumtelling and you jumped up like he outted you as scum.

Just because you have no Knowledge of my role doesnt mean it isnt a role right?

Not my fault that you arent versed in certain aspects of mafia.

I got a guilty of CJ night 1. I am surprised the cop didnt check him last night

vote CJ

[C.J. Gates]

Jun 24, 2012 8:28:20 GMT -4 Blade said:

Just because you have no Knowledge of my role doesnt mean it isnt a role right?

Not my fault that you arent versed in certain aspects of mafia.

I got a guilty of CJ night 1. I am surprised the cop didnt check him last night

vote CJ

I don't know what role you have, Blade, but whatever it is, it's not giving you proper results. Like I said before, you're barking up the wrong tree if you think I am guilty, because I'm not.

I will say that I'm shocked you're surprised the cop didn't check me. It's not like you gave them an abundance of reasoning why they should when you threw your vote on me. People have mentioned it, but it seemed more like you are just trying to get people to follow you blindly because of your history in mafia games.

It does seem like Bacon is trying to do all that he can to make people see him as suspicious. If I hadn't given him the benefit of the doubt, I'd be questioning his alignment (okay, I still am question his alignment but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt).

[Smash INC]

It certainly feels like discussion has stalled somewhat because we don't have a big matter like Goodburn on the table, everyone seems to have a collaborative view on the majority but the only real issue right now is the Blade vs CJ argument.

It's probably our best thread to go for so I'm willing to put my vote on CJ or Blade unless something else comes up. I've split on both so unless something golden turns up I'm to have to evaluate my options.

CJ, you've got an out if you can provide something that can defend you. Blade, I guess what I'm looking for here is clarification of what CJ has done.

[C.J. Gates]

Jun 24, 2012 11:14:51 GMT -4 Smash INC said:

CJ, you've got an out if you can provide something that can defend you. Blade, I guess what I'm looking for here is clarification of what CJ has done.

Not much I can say, really. I don't have a night action (which can be verified by anyone who chooses to use their night action on me tonight), so I've got no real way to clear myself there. All I can say is that a lynch on me makes no sense and would only hurt the town in the long run. We should be focused on finding actual scum and not lynching innocents because of a weak lead.

[Kris]

Jun 24, 2012 9:51:18 GMT -4 C.J. Gates said:

People have mentioned it, but it seemed more like you are just trying to get people to follow you blindly because of your history in mafia games.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that's noticed that-- not to mention the condescending tone that he's been consistently using in his posts. Talking down to people isn't going to make anyone's case stronger, which is why I don't understand why he's doing it.

With the vagueries and the lack of an actual case to back him... is it possible that Blade's got a win condition involved here?

Also, as an unrelated question; did we ever get an explanation as to why J-Reb was silent Day 2, yet didn't get modkilled or replaced?

[President Jeff]

VOTE COUNT


CJ (Blade)

13 Alive, 7 votes to Lynch
Deadline Monday at 7pm EST

[Blade]

Jun 24, 2012 14:13:06 GMT -4 Kris said:

Jun 24, 2012 9:51:18 GMT -4 C.J. Gates said:

People have mentioned it, but it seemed more like you are just trying to get people to follow you blindly because of your history in mafia games.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that's noticed that-- not to mention the condescending tone that he's been consistently using in his posts. Talking down to people isn't going to make anyone's case stronger, which is why I don't understand why he's doing it.

With the vagueries and the lack of an actual case to back him... is it possible that Blade's got a win condition involved here?

Also, as an unrelated question; did we ever get an explanation as to why J-Reb was silent Day 2, yet didn't get modkilled or replaced?

condescending?

Just because someone can only think of two roles and I state it, I am condescending?


I dont have to out myself, and all I can say is what i found out.

I FOUND OUT CJ WAS GUILTY ON NIGHT ONE, AND NO I AM NOT A COP.

I have already said that, I dont understand how I can build a 13 page response and drag that out anymore?

[jasonandrews]

This Blade Vs Cj thing is clearly a distraction. We need to start getting votes in for a lynch soon or we will possibly lose another town.

[Kurt]

Jun 24, 2012 15:00:59 GMT -4 jasonandrews said:

This Blade Vs Cj thing is clearly a distraction. We need to start getting votes in for a lynch soon or we will possibly lose another town.

Are you serious?

[jasonandrews]

Yes i am serious. We only have one vote and the deadline is tomorrow. If we don't get a vote in then no progress has been made they have already taken a good chunk of our town and we only got one mafia. If we don't get a vote they will obviously take advantage of the arguing.

[Michael Callahan]

Only idiots like their own posts.