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Post by tuhoa on Dec 9, 2012 1:16:14 GMT -4
Past few days have been busy. I checked in to avoid a mod-lynch. But I'm in now, all business is behind me. At least... for a few more days lol.
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Post by KJE on Dec 9, 2012 3:44:38 GMT -4
Roy, hes your opponent this week. haha. JK. Any who...
Many statements have been made that any lie detector (if there is one) can use... the question is... who over all is the most suspicious?
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 9, 2012 5:17:50 GMT -4
There's a lot of nonsense going on here - which is a shame because I thought we would have more information given the write up for today's day phase. Fortunately, the day is still young and I don't think everyone has checked in yet so there's that.
Kaylyn - most suspicious? Yarmouth. If he's town the scum will probably use him as an easy out but that doesn't make him any less suspicious in my book and something just doesn't sit well with him, AGAIN! A few interesting exchanges between the newish players as well throughout the day.
Though, somethings been nagging me. Chris Hart, can you vote again? Vote me if you have too. I find it interesting he has only voted and for both times it's been for Rabb.
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Post by yarmouth1 on Dec 9, 2012 5:33:22 GMT -4
Why would I be suspicious? I'm telling the truth this time round I'm town plain and simple but if you wanna vote for me then fine, I will take one for the Town.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 9, 2012 5:48:14 GMT -4
Why would I be suspicious? I'm telling the truth this time round I'm town plain and simple but if you wanna vote for me then fine, I will take one for the Town. I found your bandwagon on Jeff's vote, suspicious. You would have never voted if nobody else did. Also, at what point did I say I was voting for you or anyone for that matter? Kaylyn asked a question and I answered it. What's the problem? If your town being cleared is going to be a good thing. It means we don't have to waste a lynch nor be distracted by you for the rest of the game. There's still 30+ hours left to play on the day, take a breath. |
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Post by yarmouth1 on Dec 9, 2012 5:55:13 GMT -4
I probably would have voted even if Jeff didn't vote for Chris, Just sayin.
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Post by Jules on Dec 9, 2012 11:08:00 GMT -4
So, having had some time to think about what has transpired so far I thought I'd offer my thoughts on a few things.
Yarmouth
Alot of heat going his way, and I'm not going to jump in here and offer to be the guy's bulwark against it all because his play is suspicious. However, it is always suspicious. While L-1 may have glimpsed a nugget of truth by saying the mafia could be trying to throw him under the bus as an easy lynch, such a scenario would betray that the scum team must be heavily armed from the off to be willing to sacrifice one of their own so readily and this early in the game. I think it's just as probable he is a genuine town player, and its the scum players who are trying to bandwagon a quick mislynch on the guy.
The problem is that Yarmouth's play is so contrary at times and creates confusion that stimulates doubt. He plays the same way every game because, it seems to me, he doesn't really understand what he is doing. He's worth keeping an eye on, but even if he is scum he isn't my primary concern right now.
Chris Hart
Could he be a lyncher? A Jester? Or even a lurker? Raab, without roleclaiming or divulging any sort of details that may give away your role, is there anything in your role description that may suggest there is some connection between you and another player. A 'yes', 'no' or 'I don't know' will suffice as an answer.
No Night Kill
Like most I thought RB when I read the write-up. However, if it was stopped by a town roleblocker there is at least one town player who knows who Harley Quinn is - a piece of info that would be crucial at this stage (and I noted two players who came out quickly and implicitly urged any RBer to come forward with info). While I can understand, if that is the case, that person would not want to out themselves (if the town doctor is gone), until there is further information I'm not ruling out the possibility that part of the write-up was flavour.
The Mafia Powers
Is it so unprobable that the scum team have no night-kill? Or maybe they can alternate between recruits and kills. What caught my attention is that the mafia recruited Dr. Fries to become Mr. Freeze. In the Batman mythology this was a good guy who turned into a villain due to circumstances, right? Could it be there are a number of characters who start town, but if targeted by the recruiter can become 'Super Villains'? (e.g. Harvey Dent may be one of these.)
The recruit
It seems there is no knowledge of the identity of the recruiter or the night 1 recruit at the moment. However, if we assume the probability that the scum team isn't entirely comprised of inexperienced players (although I am not ruling it out completely), there is a good chance the recruited player is a strong and experienced player. So if we have any investigative roles out there my recommendation would be to proceed by looking at some of these players. I won't name people because I know how people can turn their paranoia against you in this game, but if there are inexperienced players with investigative roles I urge you to look back over recent mafia games here and highlight for yourself the stronger players.
Vanilla Claims
There have been too many of these, unless the implication from some is that they have day powers. Is it noteworthy that all four used almost exactly the same wording, unless this is due to mere parroting that I'm reading too much of.
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Post by KJE on Dec 9, 2012 11:45:17 GMT -4
Yeah I think there are way too many people who are saying they can not do anything... its'a bit insane and I am sure most of them are full of it. (no offense anyone!)
Thanks for answering that question for me L1! If anyone else would like to chime in and tell me who they think is most suspicious it would help. Id rather check those who are suspicious and try to help us narrow down who we can stop looking at, ya know?
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Dec 9, 2012 11:56:46 GMT -4
Morning. We find Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, and Oracle surrounding the bat computer, watching the Gotham News while Alfred Pennysworth tends to Jason Todd’s gunshot wound.
Alfred Pennysworth: Oh relax Master Todd, its only peroxide.
Jason Todd: Sorry Alfred. It just burns.
Alfred Pennysworth: It’s okay, Master Bruce reacted far worse when he was shot the first time.
Ignoring Alfred’s story, Bruce presses a button, turning the volume up as Vicky Vale comes on the screen.
Vicky Vale: … Gotham police could found a bullet casing in the scene, but found no sign of the bullet hitting someone.
Jason Todd: Bullcrap.
Vicky Vale: Also not found at the scene was Dr. Fries, which suggests that he is being held against his will by The Joker and Harley Quinn. The search continues for the Clown Prince of Crime, but nothing of note has been found. For Gotham News, I’m Vicky Vale.
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Votes
Raab – 1 (Hart)
Hart - 2 (President Jeff, Yarmouth)
Day 2 ends in 28 hours, at
3 PM EST, 12/10/12
12 PM PST, 12/10/12
1 PM MST, 12/10/12
2 PM CST, 12/10/12
8 PM GMT, 12/10a/12.
With 18 Alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch
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Post by Lord Raab on Dec 9, 2012 12:03:52 GMT -4
Raab, without roleclaiming or divulging any sort of details that may give away your role, is there anything in your role description that may suggest there is some connection between you and another player. A 'yes', 'no' or 'I don't know' will suffice as an answer. Not that I know of no. |
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Post by T-Marv on Dec 9, 2012 12:57:39 GMT -4
Well, I'm certainly not full of it. In fact, I commented on the "Awesome Setup of the Game" that TJ had promised in my frustration at getting a vanilla role.
I don't put vanillas in most of the games I play which pretty much renders the "I'm a vanilla Townie" claim useless.
But I agree, there's too many of those claims going round. (even though I made one)
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 9, 2012 13:12:17 GMT -4
For the record, just because I do not have a night action doesn't mean I'm vanilla. I imagine several others in the "I have no information" group are in similar boats, though I still believe at least one of them is lying.
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Post by Speede on Dec 9, 2012 14:42:30 GMT -4
For the record, just because I do not have a night action doesn't mean I'm vanilla. I imagine several others in the "I have no information" group are in similar boats, though I still believe at least one of them is lying. This. |
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Post by Metrodamus on Dec 9, 2012 15:45:20 GMT -4
Firstly, everyone doing this 'I am town' bullshit is simply that. It totally defeats the purpose of the game and is absolutely ludicrous as Sam said.
Secondly, I'll Unvote: Raab and Vote: Speede. He's play this day has been really, really off, coupled with his post on page 4 trying to draw a scum alignment between Jeff who I believe is town, Yarmouth who I believe is town, and Raab who's served her purpose enough.
Thirdly, I'm not going to claim bullshit on the Vanilla variants but what that means is people with power roles need to keep their mouths shut unless it's of specific value to the town (catching a scum member).
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 9, 2012 16:00:10 GMT -4
Regarding the entire Sally claim, I don't see how it's bullshit. The ''I am town'' claims are for the lie detector to run a check on - a lie detector that is clearly in the game. Of course the claim itself means nothing on it's face but you and Sally are missing the entire point of it in the first place.
Still, I don't know why Roy Speede decided to put Tmarv and Sally specifically out of blast out of nowhere to start all this - especially as there were tons more who hadn't made the town claim, either.
I had a crazy theory as to why Chris Hart may have only been voting the entire time but there goes that now - good to see I'm not over thinking things again, psh.
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Post by Speede on Dec 9, 2012 16:02:42 GMT -4
Still, I don't know why Roy Speede decided to put Tmarv and Sally specifically out of blast out of nowhere to start all this - especially as there were tons more who hadn't made the town claim, either. I'm suspicious of anyone who can't provide any night results, claims they won't provide any night results, and yet doesn't in some form or another acknowledge their town-existence. I understand the logic behind others doing it, and I'm hoping someone has some sort of info from this previous night to share with us, but the fact that neither Sal nor TMarv has anything, and yet neither are going to "Town" seems strange to me. |
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Post by Metrodamus on Dec 9, 2012 16:09:13 GMT -4
Regarding the entire Sally claim, I don't see how it's bullshit. The ''I am town'' claims are for the lie detector to run a check on - a lie detector that is clearly in the game. Of course the claim itself means nothing on it's face but you and Sally are missing the entire point of it in the first place. Still, I don't know why Roy Speede decided to put Tmarv and Sally specifically out of blast out of nowhere to start all this - especially as there were tons more who hadn't made the town claim, either. I had a crazy theory as to why Chris Hart may have only been voting the entire time but there goes that now - good to see I'm not over thinking things again, psh. No, I get the point of it - I just think it's bullshit 'cause it's against the spirit of the game. That's like playing footy and the other team kicking the ball out of bounds to let your player get treatment ... and then not tossing the ball back to them. |
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 9, 2012 16:15:30 GMT -4
My guess is people are claiming to have all these passive roles so they stay alive longer. Which we can all pretty much anticipate a shit storm once one of them claims they have a role that they previously stated they did not have OR the lie detector runs their claim and reads it as a lie.
As far as I'm concerned, I am keeping tight lipped and Chris Hart is 100% right about keeping our mouths shut unless it's going to lead to a scum lynch. I think someone has some info but they aren't going to drop it with no town doctor to protect them, at least not yet.
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Post by tuhoa on Dec 9, 2012 20:39:44 GMT -4
Firstly, allow me to try and clear the air about myself. I CAN DO SHIT... But with the role I have, doing shit on night one would make me useless for the rest of the game (hint hint).
Hopefully, I didn't cross any lines with this post. I never roleclaimed, and I never outright said anything about my role. So I should be safe. However, I'm just laying this to bed, before I get accused of anything.
Secondly... I do agree that there are too many people saying "I'm as useless as tits on a bull". Obviously, we have a few people lying their asses off. Thus, we need to check out everyone who has already said they're useless, and we know at least 1 or 2 of them will turn scum. Just a theory, but I believe that it's headed in the right direction.
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Post by KJE on Dec 9, 2012 21:15:26 GMT -4
It's one thing for people to say they have no info, and no role to help, and another to say they can't help tonight. People need to be cautious of their wordings. Either way, a few names have been brought up as suspicious so, we can work with that....
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Post by Michael Jennings on Dec 9, 2012 22:53:28 GMT -4
My guess is people are claiming to have all these passive roles so they stay alive longer. Which we can all pretty much anticipate a shit storm once one of them claims they have a role that they previously stated they did not have OR the lie detector runs their claim and reads it as a lie. As far as I'm concerned, I am keeping tight lipped and Chris Hart is 100% right about keeping our mouths shut unless it's going to lead to a scum lynch. I think someone has some info but they aren't going to drop it with no town doctor to protect them, at least not yet. This is true. Why out what you can do when there's no reason for it? It makes no sense. Outing roles early in games is never a good idea unless you 100% sure can nail a scummer. Still, I don't know why Roy Speede decided to put Tmarv and Sally specifically out of blast out of nowhere to start all this - especially as there were tons more who hadn't made the town claim, either. I'm suspicious of anyone who can't provide any night results, claims they won't provide any night results, and yet doesn't in some form or another acknowledge their town-existence. I understand the logic behind others doing it, and I'm hoping someone has some sort of info from this previous night to share with us, but the fact that neither Sal nor TMarv has anything, and yet neither are going to "Town" seems strange to me. What if they have no night action? There are usually vanilla townies in games. Not everyone is going to have a night action. It comes with the territory but you also have to factor in people who are keeping tight lipped to not out their roles which, as mentionned earlier, is a bad idea this early unless you are 100% sure that you've nabbed a scummer especially early in games. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 10, 2012 2:38:20 GMT -4
Hey gang, I just got in. Over 630 miles to preach my sisters wedding.
To lie detector...I am town...i have no night action nor will I.
I usually fly under the radar, but whatever role someone has that can check this comment, watch me at night, or make my breakfast (omlet please. Alfred) will see I am telling the truth.
With that I am going to sleep.
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Post by Jules on Dec 10, 2012 5:34:33 GMT -4
Hey gang, I just got in. Over 630 miles to preach my sisters wedding. To lie detector...I am town...i have no night action nor will I. I usually fly under the radar, but whatever role someone has that can check this comment, watch me at night, or make my breakfast (omlet please. Alfred) will see I am telling the truth. With that I am going to sleep. Or you're happy to draw the focus tonight so you're scum buddies can make a kill while everyone is focused on you. |
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Post by yarmouth1 on Dec 10, 2012 7:00:28 GMT -4
Hey gang, I just got in. Over 630 miles to preach my sisters wedding. To lie detector...I am town...i have no night action nor will I. I usually fly under the radar, but whatever role someone has that can check this comment, watch me at night, or make my breakfast (omlet please. Alfred) will see I am telling the truth. With that I am going to sleep. Or you're happy to draw the focus tonight so you're scum buddies can make a kill while everyone is focused on you. I do have a night action but will choose it very carefully when I use it and yes I will divulge my information when I get it. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 10, 2012 9:45:00 GMT -4
Nope, I'm afraid not. Not scum. I was offering a post to let someone look if they wanted to. If not, you'll just have to take it at face value. I'm town. You sure got stirred up pretty quick, you okay bro?
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Post by Speede on Dec 10, 2012 11:52:12 GMT -4
Nope, I'm afraid not. Not scum. I was offering a post to let someone look if they wanted to. If not, you'll just have to take it at face value. I'm town. You sure got stirred up pretty quick, you okay bro? Glad you made it all that way safe bro. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Dec 10, 2012 12:01:46 GMT -4
Hey gang, I just got in. Over 630 miles to preach my sisters wedding. To lie detector...I am town...i have no night action nor will I. I usually fly under the radar, but whatever role someone has that can check this comment, watch me at night, or make my breakfast (omlet please. Alfred) will see I am telling the truth. With that I am going to sleep. Or you're happy to draw the focus tonight so you're scum buddies can make a kill while everyone is focused on you. I'm gonna be honest. I've seen this movie before. Jules makes 1-2 posts on day two, one of which subtly sandbags someone. He flies under the radar, undetected by anyone, and he winds up being scum. I don't have hard evidence; as mentioned, that's just not the kind of role I have. But I'd very much like someone to check Jules tonight, because I smell a rat. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 10, 2012 12:10:15 GMT -4
Thanks for the well wishes, Speede. I'm sure tired at work today  A.C., you'd better watch defending me, WE COULD BE SCUM AND WORKING TOGETHER, smh. (That was a joke, very much town.) Has anyone else noticed that when someone puts on hand sanitizer they always look like they are plotting a devilish plan? |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Dec 10, 2012 12:11:35 GMT -4
BTW, thanks for the strategy tip, Jules. If I'm scum sometime that plot will be in my mind. #Stilllearning
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Post by KJE on Dec 10, 2012 13:29:24 GMT -4
There are a few people who are sticking out like sore thumbs, and I am not sure which to be more suspicious of... grr
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